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I’ve been trying to find a good clip of his offence. Foot to head job in the act of kicking? Shame, he offers a different approach to FR. Who will the bench OH be for Ireland?
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He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
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Found it - during a high ball catch, a Lee Byrne special
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Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
Shame, good player.
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Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
He raised his foot needlessly to put off the opposition player when catching the ball and ended up kicking him in the face.
It's not natural to raise your foot like that when jumping to catch a ball and it should be stamped out of the game.

Lee Byrne special - exactly.
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Is 3 weeks/games the least you can get for contact to the head?

Yes it was accidental but also reckless and avoidable. They're clamping down on anything like that which contacts the head. They've no choice really.
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CM11 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:08 am Is 3 weeks/games the least you can get for contact to the head?

Yes it was accidental but also reckless and avoidable. They're clamping down on anything like that which contacts the head, unless it was committed by Owen Farrell. They've no choice really.
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Yer Man wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:14 am
CM11 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:08 am Is 3 weeks/games the least you can get for contact to the head?

Yes it was accidental but also reckless and avoidable. They're clamping down on anything like that which contacts the head, unless it was committed by Owen Farrell. They've no choice really.
Fixed.
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de_Selby wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:06 am
Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
He raised his foot needlessly to put off the opposition player when catching the ball and ended up kicking him in the face.
It's not natural to raise your foot like that when jumping to catch a ball and it should be stamped out of the game.

Lee Byrne special - exactly.
He was off balance to the extent his body was at 45 degrees backwards. Extending a limb in the opposite direction is, far from being not natural, a reflex action to regain balance.

In what way is he putting off the Leinster player? He was in the air and had the Leinster player tackled him it would have been a Glasgow penalty.
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Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
Nah, he intentionally raised the boot (to protect himself yes but deliberate contact with the head), not losing balance.
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Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:24 am
de_Selby wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:06 am
Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
He raised his foot needlessly to put off the opposition player when catching the ball and ended up kicking him in the face.
It's not natural to raise your foot like that when jumping to catch a ball and it should be stamped out of the game.

Lee Byrne special - exactly.
He was off balance to the extent his body was at 45 degrees backwards. Extending a limb in the opposite direction is, far from being not natural, a reflex action to regain balance.

In what way is he putting off the Leinster player? He was in the air and had the Leinster player tackled him it would have been a Glasgow penalty.
Him extending his leg out is what causes him to lose balance, if he doesn't raise his boot studs up he catches it easily without losing his balance.

https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/ ... n-pro14%2F

It's a deliberate action to raise the studs.
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earl the beaver wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:36 am
Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
Nah, he intentionally raised the boot (to protect himself yes but deliberate contact with the head), not losing balance.
Again, to protect himself from what? Like any pro player he knows that once he is in the air he is protected under the current laws. That protection is precisely why players go to the air for catches.
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Gwenno wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:56 am I’ve been trying to find a good clip of his offence. Foot to head job in the act of kicking? Shame, he offers a different approach to FR. Who will the bench OH be for Ireland?
van der Walt will be on the bench. With injuries, there literally is no one else unless Thompson is thrown in after 2 pro games.
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Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:54 am
earl the beaver wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:36 am
Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
Nah, he intentionally raised the boot (to protect himself yes but deliberate contact with the head), not losing balance.
Again, to protect himself from what? Like any pro player he knows that once he is in the air he is protected under the current laws. That protection is precisely why players go to the air for catches.
Him putting his studs up is what unbalances him, as soon as the studs are up it's intentional.

Not as bad as that winger from Wasps last year but still deliberate.

Players are taught to protect themselves by jumping with one leg forward, no one is taught to raise their studs.
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Outcome trumps intent?
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Gwenno wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:56 am Outcome trumps intent?
It's both.

Him leading with his studs is dangerous and would be worthy of sanction, plus it's what makes him lose his balance.

The fact he connects with someone's face just highlights it.

If Hastings caught the ball normally, without raising his studs, he would have landed safely and the game would have carried on.
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1/2 a yard or a split second later and the Leinster player is in the bin for taking him off his feet.

Terrible decision.
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bimboman wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:57 pm 1/2 a yard or a split second later and the Leinster player is in the bin for taking him off his feet.

Terrible decision.
Except that's not what happened is it. The Leinster player slows to ensure there is no collision and Hastings extends his leg studs up unbalancing himself.
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earl the beaver wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:10 pm
bimboman wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:57 pm 1/2 a yard or a split second later and the Leinster player is in the bin for taking him off his feet.

Terrible decision.
Except that's not what happened is it. The Leinster player slows to ensure there is no collision and Hastings extends his leg studs up unbalancing himself.
It's a ridiculous argument. 'if the Leinster player acted recklessly instead of responsibly then he'd be in the bin' :roll:

Hastings is always shaping to lead with the leg. Look at his body position before he leaps.
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CM11 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:15 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:10 pm
bimboman wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:57 pm 1/2 a yard or a split second later and the Leinster player is in the bin for taking him off his feet.

Terrible decision.
Except that's not what happened is it. The Leinster player slows to ensure there is no collision and Hastings extends his leg studs up unbalancing himself.
It's a ridiculous argument. 'if the Leinster player acted recklessly instead of responsibly then he'd be in the bin' :roll:

Hastings is always shaping to lead with the leg. Look at his body position before he leaps.
Leading with the leg is fine, you're taught to do that to protect yourself.

Hastings extends his leg (putting himself off balance) studs up, that's dangerous play.
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Leading with the leg the way he did is not how you're taught. Look at his body angle before jumping. He jumps in such a way that physics dictates the only way for him not to fall flat is to kick out to rebalance.
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bimboman wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:57 pm 1/2 a yard or a split second later and the Leinster player is in the bin for taking him off his feet.

Terrible decision.
And that's the difference between acting responsibly(Kelleher) and recklessly (Hastings).
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camroc1 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:24 pm
bimboman wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:57 pm 1/2 a yard or a split second later and the Leinster player is in the bin for taking him off his feet.

Terrible decision.
And that's the difference between acting responsibly(Kelleher) and recklessly (Hastings).

Not really, it’s a man looking to balance himself and another late to the play. The idea that anything was reckless or deliberate is just bias playing out rather than reality.
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As a 15 I'd always raise my studs, just saying.
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Him sticking his leg out studs up is what makes him lose balance ffs.
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earl the beaver wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:31 pm Him sticking his leg out studs up is what makes him lose balance ffs.
Look at the angle of his body before he kicks out.
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This seems absolutely obvious to me. Just like all the other aspects of the game where there is now strict liability. Studs in face = ban.
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Rugby incident, play on.

Shamelessly milked by the Leinster lad. Hope he apologised to Hastings afterwards.
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earl the beaver wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:39 am
Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:24 am
de_Selby wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:06 am
Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
He raised his foot needlessly to put off the opposition player when catching the ball and ended up kicking him in the face.
It's not natural to raise your foot like that when jumping to catch a ball and it should be stamped out of the game.

Lee Byrne special - exactly.
He was off balance to the extent his body was at 45 degrees backwards. Extending a limb in the opposite direction is, far from being not natural, a reflex action to regain balance.

In what way is he putting off the Leinster player? He was in the air and had the Leinster player tackled him it would have been a Glasgow penalty.
Him extending his leg out is what causes him to lose balance, if he doesn't raise his boot studs up he catches it easily without losing his balance.

https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/ ... n-pro14%2F

It's a deliberate action to raise the studs.
That’s a red all day.

Great player though Hastings.
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Filthy play. He knew exactly what he was doing.
He only fell backwards because his foot was so high.
At the very least it’s intimidation to any player who might contest the catch.
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A5D5E5 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:13 pm This seems absolutely obvious to me. Just like all the other aspects of the game where there is now strict liability. Studs in face = ban.
With the current stuff to head contact, even more so.

It was nothing dirty. He overshot the flight of the ball and leaned back to catch it. Leg came up as a consequence.
Raising a knee to protect yourself is grand. You just run the risk of exactly this happening of you let yourself go studs up.
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A5D5E5 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:13 pm This seems absolutely obvious to me. Just like all the other aspects of the game where there is now strict liability. Studs in face = ban.
Edit
Now I have read further, what CM11 and Nolanator said.

No one is arguing it is not a red. The difference is why it happened.

Players are coached that since the player in the air is now heavily protected, the point when they are vulnerable is when they hit the ground. Putting aside actually catching the ball, a key part of coaching is to ensure that player is balanced and in control when he hits the ground so he has the best chance of sustaining a hit.

They are coached specifically to keep vertical. By that I mean everything is moving as far as is possible in vertical planes. Anything that is moving at an angle to that, such as a leg swung out in front studs up, will create unbalancing forces.

I am asserting that the contact happened because Hastings slightly over ran the ball, cocked the jump up and made contact because he was trying to recover from his backward rotation by doing what anyone does instinctively, by throwing out a limb in the opposite direction.

Earl and others are saying it is because he jumped in a manner he has been coached not to, to defend himself when he knows he has no need to do so.
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Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:24 am
de_Selby wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:06 am
Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
He raised his foot needlessly to put off the opposition player when catching the ball and ended up kicking him in the face.
It's not natural to raise your foot like that when jumping to catch a ball and it should be stamped out of the game.

Lee Byrne special - exactly.
He was off balance to the extent his body was at 45 degrees backwards. Extending a limb in the opposite direction is, far from being not natural, a reflex action to regain balance.

In what way is he putting off the Leinster player? He was in the air and had the Leinster player tackled him it would have been a Glasgow penalty.
At the moment his right foot hit Kelleher, his left foot was on the ground, so he was in control.
You can also see him looking at Kelleher and extending his leg from his knee.
Probably not intended to injure Kelleher, because he's not that type of player.
But it was reckless.
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I think leaving the knee up should be banned. I believe it used to be considered dangerous play.
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Clumsy and poor technique rather than dirty - but the ban is fully deserved! Can't be kicking people in the head (unless you're Paul O'Connell of course)
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DragsterDriver wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:38 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:39 am
Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:24 am
de_Selby wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:06 am
Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
He raised his foot needlessly to put off the opposition player when catching the ball and ended up kicking him in the face.
It's not natural to raise your foot like that when jumping to catch a ball and it should be stamped out of the game.

Lee Byrne special - exactly.
He was off balance to the extent his body was at 45 degrees backwards. Extending a limb in the opposite direction is, far from being not natural, a reflex action to regain balance.

In what way is he putting off the Leinster player? He was in the air and had the Leinster player tackled him it would have been a Glasgow penalty.
Him extending his leg out is what causes him to lose balance, if he doesn't raise his boot studs up he catches it easily without losing his balance.

https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/ ... n-pro14%2F

It's a deliberate action to raise the studs.
That’s a red all day.

Great player though Hastings.
On his way to Glous, thankfully.
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Geek wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:36 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:38 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:39 am
Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:24 am
de_Selby wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:06 am

He raised his foot needlessly to put off the opposition player when catching the ball and ended up kicking him in the face.
It's not natural to raise your foot like that when jumping to catch a ball and it should be stamped out of the game.

Lee Byrne special - exactly.
He was off balance to the extent his body was at 45 degrees backwards. Extending a limb in the opposite direction is, far from being not natural, a reflex action to regain balance.

In what way is he putting off the Leinster player? He was in the air and had the Leinster player tackled him it would have been a Glasgow penalty.
Him extending his leg out is what causes him to lose balance, if he doesn't raise his boot studs up he catches it easily without losing his balance.

https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/ ... n-pro14%2F

It's a deliberate action to raise the studs.
That’s a red all day.

Great player though Hastings.
On his way to Glous, thankfully.
Really good signing that.
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This guy got his technique spot on.
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earl the beaver wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:36 am
Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
Nah, he intentionally raised the boot (to protect himself yes but deliberate contact with the head), not losing balance.
That is actually rubbish, he had secured the ball, landed and was falling over backwards. Whilst the foot movement is odd, to suggest he did it deliberately to protect himself is utter nonsense.
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Edinburgh01 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:01 am He went to the air to take a catch. Leinster tackler pulled out, but as Hastings came down he over balanced backwards a bit, his foot came up forward and caught the Leinster player in the face.

What used to be called a rugby incident, but under current laws it is red.
You must be dreaming. Unless you accept he had a spasm that was a deliberate and dangerous move
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