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Maddocks should of course be considered, but is he consistent enough for test rugby at 15?

TBH, Nawaqanitawase looked better at 15 than Maddocks that one game he got there.
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I'd invite them both to camp then tell everyone it's an open competition and let's see who wants it the most.

It's a bit like hooker, no clear-cut standout so turn it into a bit of a bloodbath and see who steps up.
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Farva wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:23 am
Dumbledore wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:06 am If Hodge is the alternative lock Banks in for the next five years.

I don't think he's amazing, and he hasn't shown a heap to suggest he'll step up at Test level, but he's been the best fullback in Australia this year and at a certain point that should be rewarded. Put Wright and Koroibete on either side of him and you're looking at a decent back three.

I wouldn't let Hodge or Toomua anywhere near the squad based on their performance this year. Wasn't even apathetic Nonu vibes, they were actively shithouse and made the players around them worse.
Which goes back to my earlier comment that we could consider Maddocks at 15. We havent had any standout 15s this year. Jock Campbell has defensive frailties , Banks hasnt set the world on fire, Hodge is one dimensional, Kearney doesnt qualify, McGregor has awful hair (and is a club level player).
Maddocks has been surrounded by mediocrity so was really the only exciting player in that backline. His 10 was awful, his wings were lacking, his centres were average (until Perese came along, then they were good). He got no platform from his forwards. In the Wallabies he might be a different player. He certainly has all the attributes of a good 15.
But we have seen a standout 15, so your second sentence is demonstrably false. Banks' stats this year are miles ahead of the rest - he's having his best year. Now you are proposing Maddocks after previously saying that Banks hasn't done enough with his previous opportunities at test level?
In my opinion Maddocks has the potential to be a superstar, but he needs to earn the test jersey and he hasn't. Plus, his defence is a big weakness. I thought he showed good signs in his last game against Melbourne fwiw. Did Banks run over your dogs or something?

Maybe it's all the old Hodge suckers looking for a new boy to pump? Those blokes never cared about form or talent or potential and maybe if they acknowledge Banks deserves a spot, they first have to acknowledge to themselves and those around them that they've been speaking out their arses for the last few years. I can't think why else they'd be so wrong again and again.

If you want to pick on 2021 form - you choose Banks. If you want to pick the guy with the best previous test form - you pick Banks. If you want to choose the bloke with the closest game and running gait to Latho - you pick Banks. If you want to pick someone else, can you at least try to find a justification that has some basis in truth?
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Dumbledore wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:40 am I'd invite them both to camp then tell everyone it's an open competition and let's see who wants it the most.

It's a bit like hooker, no clear-cut standout so turn it into a bit of a bloodbath and see who steps up.
Maddocks hasn't earned the right to be in camp. It would like inviting Dave Porecki or any of the Western Force backline.
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towny wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:50 am
Dumbledore wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:40 am I'd invite them both to camp then tell everyone it's an open competition and let's see who wants it the most.

It's a bit like hooker, no clear-cut standout so turn it into a bit of a bloodbath and see who steps up.
Maddocks hasn't earned the right to be in camp. It would like inviting Dave Porecki or any of the Western Force backline.
Stop it. Porecki looks like he'd struggle to hang on in Melbourne club rugby. Maddocks at least looks like he could be a jet.

Banks just doesn't do a heap for me. No logic to it at all, I just find it hard to get fired up about him. But like I said, if the alternative is Hodge I'll be banging the drums for him as hard as anyone.
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DHP might tear the walls down when it comes to the trans tasman comp. Only player likely to unseat an uninjured Banks IMO.
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towny wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:49 am
Farva wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:23 am
Dumbledore wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:06 am If Hodge is the alternative lock Banks in for the next five years.

I don't think he's amazing, and he hasn't shown a heap to suggest he'll step up at Test level, but he's been the best fullback in Australia this year and at a certain point that should be rewarded. Put Wright and Koroibete on either side of him and you're looking at a decent back three.

I wouldn't let Hodge or Toomua anywhere near the squad based on their performance this year. Wasn't even apathetic Nonu vibes, they were actively shithouse and made the players around them worse.
Which goes back to my earlier comment that we could consider Maddocks at 15. We havent had any standout 15s this year. Jock Campbell has defensive frailties , Banks hasnt set the world on fire, Hodge is one dimensional, Kearney doesnt qualify, McGregor has awful hair (and is a club level player).
Maddocks has been surrounded by mediocrity so was really the only exciting player in that backline. His 10 was awful, his wings were lacking, his centres were average (until Perese came along, then they were good). He got no platform from his forwards. In the Wallabies he might be a different player. He certainly has all the attributes of a good 15.
But we have seen a standout 15, so your second sentence is demonstrably false. Banks' stats this year are miles ahead of the rest - he's having his best year. Now you are proposing Maddocks after previously saying that Banks hasn't done enough with his previous opportunities at test level?
In my opinion Maddocks has the potential to be a superstar, but he needs to earn the test jersey and he hasn't. Plus, his defence is a big weakness. I thought he showed good signs in his last game against Melbourne fwiw. Did Banks run over your dogs or something?

Maybe it's all the old Hodge suckers looking for a new boy to pump? Those blokes never cared about form or talent or potential and maybe if they acknowledge Banks deserves a spot, they first have to acknowledge to themselves and those around them that they've been speaking out their arses for the last few years. I can't think why else they'd be so wrong again and again.

If you want to pick on 2021 form - you choose Banks. If you want to pick the guy with the best previous test form - you pick Banks. If you want to choose the bloke with the closest game and running gait to Latho - you pick Banks. If you want to pick someone else, can you at least try to find a justification that has some basis in truth?
Id start Banks.
I said that previously.
But we cant put all our eggs in one basket, and we also pick players who will excel at test level - we have plucked guys like Matt Giteau out of club rugby, given them a cap, and they have gunned it.
I dont see anyone else doing well at 15, so might as well try Maddocks there as a backup to Banks.
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Zakar wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 5:35 am DHP might tear the walls down when it comes to the trans tasman comp. Only player likely to unseat an uninjured Banks IMO.

DHP has a tendency to shit the bed against the top test teams...

He had an absolute shocker in the one test he played last year against the AB's, and he's had similarly disastrous performances against England.
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JOC is another left-field 15 option. Essentially plays there on kick defence for the Reds. Makes room for Lolesio at 10

Petaia is still who I would go for though.

Morahan 2.0 as the emergency cover.
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9. White
10. JOC - covers 11-15
11. MK
12. Paisami - covers 12,13
13. Perese - covers 11-14
14. Wright - covers 15
15. Petaia - covers 11, 13, 14

19. Tate
20. Lolesio
21. Ikitau

The 3 reserves are specialists, but the starters cover lots of positions.
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DHP is slower than me, hasn't played for about a year because of concussions, and wasn't anything special to begin with. He's in the hard pass unless the alternative is Hodge camp.
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Bindi wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 6:48 am JOC is another left-field 15 option. Essentially plays there on kick defence for the Reds. Makes room for Lolesio at 10

Petaia is still who I would go for though.

Morahan 2.0 as the emergency cover.
You start Banks with Petaia or Wright moving there late in the tests against France, injuries permitting.
BT seems to like the idea of Petaia at 15. We may see him there against the Kiwi teams.
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Slim 293 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 am
Zakar wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 5:35 am DHP might tear the walls down when it comes to the trans tasman comp. Only player likely to unseat an uninjured Banks IMO.

DHP has a tendency to shit the bed against the top test teams...

He had an absolute shocker in the one test he played last year against the AB's, and he's had similarly disastrous performances against England.
He was so epically shit at RWC 2019 I mentally stamped him NSA (never select again).
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Bindi wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 6:48 am JOC is another left-field 15 option. Essentially plays there on kick defence for the Reds. Makes room for Lolesio at 10

Petaia is still who I would go for though.

Morahan 2.0 as the emergency cover.
You keep using Morahan as an insult. You know he's playing phenomenally for one if the best teams in England right?
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Zakar wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:42 am
Bindi wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 6:48 am JOC is another left-field 15 option. Essentially plays there on kick defence for the Reds. Makes room for Lolesio at 10

Petaia is still who I would go for though.

Morahan 2.0 as the emergency cover.
You keep using Morahan as an insult. You know he's playing phenomenally for one if the best teams in England right?
He's playing well in easy rugby? Good for him. Was great for the Reds when he could be bothered, which wasn't often.
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Zakar wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 5:35 am DHP might tear the walls down when it comes to the trans tasman comp. Only player likely to unseat an uninjured Banks IMO.
Isn’t he 40? And slow? He’s not a bad player but I can’t see why someone would like him but not like Banks.
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Olo wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 7:17 am
Bindi wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 6:48 am JOC is another left-field 15 option. Essentially plays there on kick defence for the Reds. Makes room for Lolesio at 10

Petaia is still who I would go for though.

Morahan 2.0 as the emergency cover.
You start Banks with Petaia or Wright moving there late in the tests against France, injuries permitting.
BT seems to like the idea of Petaia at 15. We may see him there against the Kiwi teams.
Then why hasn’t BT played Petaia at 15 in the last 3 seasons? He’s got Daugunu on the bench and Hegarty at fullback, so it’s not as if he hasn’t had a great opportunity.

Petaia would be like a Folau who can kick and tackle; albeit without the level of awesomeness in the air. I’m keen to see it. But until we do it’s just a theory.

Meanwhile, we have someone playing very well and the reasons we don’t like him don’t align with the reasons we want other particular players there.

Just one more skill for Latho 2.0 - he’s contributed to the Brumbies’ maul tries as he’s consistently able to put the ball at the 5m line. No one else we’ve got has close to this accuracy.
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Bindi wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:51 am
Zakar wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:42 am
Bindi wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 6:48 am JOC is another left-field 15 option. Essentially plays there on kick defence for the Reds. Makes room for Lolesio at 10

Petaia is still who I would go for though.

Morahan 2.0 as the emergency cover.
You keep using Morahan as an insult. You know he's playing phenomenally for one if the best teams in England right?
He's playing well in easy rugby? Good for him. Was great for the Reds when he could be bothered, which wasn't often.
Every post you make gets crushed with facts and yet you persist. I respect that.
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towny wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:12 am
Zakar wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 5:35 am DHP might tear the walls down when it comes to the trans tasman comp. Only player likely to unseat an uninjured Banks IMO.
Isn’t he 40? And slow? He’s not a bad player but I can’t see why someone would like him but not like Banks.
I don't know why anyone would prefer him either.

But he's 31, a solid performer that usually beats his first man, is reliable under the high ball and kicks well. He's an adequate medium term backup.
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Alright, Alright!

We'll all agree that Banks ins undroppable, he's Latho 2.0, he's Dally Messenger incarnate

Please stop now, for pity's sake....
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Zakar wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:57 am
towny wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:12 am
Zakar wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 5:35 am DHP might tear the walls down when it comes to the trans tasman comp. Only player likely to unseat an uninjured Banks IMO.
Isn’t he 40? And slow? He’s not a bad player but I can’t see why someone would like him but not like Banks.
I don't know why anyone would prefer him either.

But he's 31, a solid performer that usually beats his first man, is reliable under the high ball and kicks well. He's an adequate medium term backup.
He’s okay, but his 2020 form wasn’t better than others mentioned and he hasn’t played a minute in 2021.

Not the worst
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McMahon was looking for an invite but he will not be required

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 57ouq.html
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Olo wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 12:52 pm McMahon was looking for an invite but he will not be required

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 57ouq.html
If he wants to play, he should sign with the Tahs.

I understand taking him if backrow was a position of weakness, but other than perpetual badboy Latu, Arnold and Skelton, there isn't anyone with substantial upside over our domestic players that I would look at taking.
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No love for Quade?

:)
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shanky wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:02 pm No love for Quade?

:)
Not much, even when he was a contender

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Harsh. :lol:

I still remember that 2011 season. :thumbup:
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Not saying 2011 Quads wasn't *spesh* ... (QC 2010 maybe even more so) ... just that the "love" was often tempered by other factors ... :P
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kiap wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:20 pm Not saying 2011 Quads wasn't *spesh* ... (QC 2010 maybe even more so) ... just that the "love" was often tempered by other factors ... :P
He did things that no other fly-half has ever done. Some of them were wonderful.
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I watched the Reds play the Bulls at Suncorp that year.

(This was when the Bulls were still good)

It was like he had spiders on him. He taunted them, trifled with them, treated them with disregard.

It’s the single most individually spectacular display I’ve probably seen live on a footy pitch at a senior/elite level.
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Zakar wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:14 pm
Olo wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 12:52 pm McMahon was looking for an invite but he will not be required

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 57ouq.html
If he wants to play, he should sign with the Tahs.

I understand taking him if backrow was a position of weakness, but other than perpetual badboy Latu, Arnold and Skelton, there isn't anyone with substantial upside over our domestic players that I would look at taking.
If playing for the Wallabies in the next RWC is the priority then he should have stayed here or returned for this season. The danger in going OS is that others may come through locally and push you down the totem pole.
RA is talking about further pay cuts so we may see more going offshore?
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wamberal wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:22 pm He did things that no other fly-half has ever done. Some of them were wonderful.
Try dat
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shanky wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:24 pm I watched the Reds play the Bulls at Suncorp that year.

(This was when the Bulls were still good)

It was like he had spiders on him. He taunted them, trifled with them, treated them with disregard.

It’s the single most individually spectacular display I’ve probably seen live on a footy pitch at a senior/elite level.
Diff'rent game, but this was a masterclass v shorks:

https://youtu.be/3A9HFPqCCwE?t=60


Rugby doesn't have that nowadays.
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QC's game in the 2011 semi final against the Blues was possibly one of the most dominant performances from a flyhalf I've ever seen. Dude was on fire.
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Nice

Say what you like about Quade, but he was a sight to see for a year or two.



Morahan looks pretty OK too, doesn’t he Bindi? :lol:
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Thomas wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:40 pm QC's game in the 2011 semi final against the Blues was possibly one of the most dominant performances from a flyhalf I've ever seen. Dude was on fire.
Just watched the highlights package from that game (it's on Kiap's link page).

What a show!

Interesting that Slipper is still playing elite footy 10 years later. Extraordinary
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shanky wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:53 pm
Thomas wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:40 pm QC's game in the 2011 semi final against the Blues was possibly one of the most dominant performances from a flyhalf I've ever seen. Dude was on fire.
Just watched the highlights package from that game (it's on Kiap's link page).

What a show!

Interesting that Slipper is still playing elite footy 10 years later. Extraordinary
Greg Holmes too
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kiap wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:34 pm
shanky wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:24 pm I watched the Reds play the Bulls at Suncorp that year.

(This was when the Bulls were still good)

It was like he had spiders on him. He taunted them, trifled with them, treated them with disregard.

It’s the single most individually spectacular display I’ve probably seen live on a footy pitch at a senior/elite level.
Diff'rent game, but this was a masterclass v shorks:

https://youtu.be/3A9HFPqCCwE?t=60


Rugby doesn't have that nowadays.
Here's a few QC highlights from the Bulls game ...

https://youtu.be/K6k0gJm-5zI
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kiap wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:34 pm
shanky wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:24 pm I watched the Reds play the Bulls at Suncorp that year.

(This was when the Bulls were still good)

It was like he had spiders on him. He taunted them, trifled with them, treated them with disregard.

It’s the single most individually spectacular display I’ve probably seen live on a footy pitch at a senior/elite level.
Diff'rent game, but this was a masterclass v shorks:

https://youtu.be/3A9HFPqCCwE?t=60


Rugby doesn't have that nowadays.
Sigh. Lord knows I miss that.

Also reminded me just how promising Chambers seemed in 2010. And not just in re running the ball.

In both of the Reds' home games against saffer teams, Chambers left a saffer outside back just enough room between him and the sideline for that gap to be irresistible, then put the fella into touch. For whatever reason, Chambers lost the plot after his shoulder injury (from memory) and was barely sighted next season. And then left.
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Teams are out...

Big losses for the Brumbies:
REDS (1-15): Feao Fotuaika, Brandon Paenga-Amosa, Taniela Tupou, Ryan Smith, Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, Angus Scott-Young, Fraser McReight, Harry Wilson, Tate McDermott, James O'Connor (c), Jock Campbell, Hamish Stewart, Josh Flook, Jordan Petaia, Bryce Hegarty

Reserves: Alex Mafi, Dane Zander, Zane Nonggorr, Seru Uru, Liam Wright, Kalani Thomas, Isaac Henry, Filipo Daugunu

INs: Jock Campbell, Dane Zander, Isaac Henry,

OUTs: Hunter Paisami, Richie Asiata, Ilaisa Droasese

BRUMBIES (1-15): Scott Sio, Lachlan Lonergan, Allan Alaalatoa (c), Darcy Swain, Cadeyrn Neville, Nick Frost, Rory Scott, Rob Valetini, Nic White, Noah Lolesio, Tom Wright, Irae Simone, Len Ikitau, Andy Muirhead, Tom Banks

Reserves: Folau Fainga'a, Harry Lloyd, Tom Ross, Henry Stowers, Luke Reimer, Ryan Lonergan, Reesjan Pasitoa, Mack Hansen

INs: Henry Stowers, Harry Lloyd

OUTs: Pete Samu, James Slipper
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Frost to 6 for the first time in his professional career in a final :uhoh:

Slipper AND Samu out :uhoh: :uhoh:

Reds by a billion.
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