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Nic White ruled out of the French series with a knee injury...

It looks like it will be the Tate and Ryan Lonergan show.
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Question marks over Toomua and JOC as well apparently.

Could get ugly.
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9. McDermott
10. Lolesio
11. Koroibete
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Wright
15. Banks

The future is now... :thumbup:
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Olo wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:54 pm None of the Oz hookers are consistently accurate at lineout throwing. That is not the reason Uelese is not in the squad. He is at least as good as the other options in this area.
He's just not mate.

Fainga'a is the best throwing hooker in Australian rugby. Again, I haven't checked stats on that, it's just my gut hunch from watching. Like Zakar says, you'd really need to analyse some pretty in-depth statistics, like, who are your jumpers, how many lineouts does this team play in contested areas, etc.

But Uelese is a squirly line-out thrower. It's a massive short-coming for him as a hooker. But by all means, stick to your guns if you like, it's a small thing and Ive argued about it all I will.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:53 am
Olo wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:54 pm None of the Oz hookers are consistently accurate at lineout throwing. That is not the reason Uelese is not in the squad. He is at least as good as the other options in this area.
He's just not mate.

Fainga'a is the best throwing hooker in Australian rugby. Again, I haven't checked stats on that, it's just my gut hunch from watching. Like Zakar says, you'd really need to analyse some pretty in-depth statistics, like, who are your jumpers, how many lineouts does this team play in contested areas, etc.

But Uelese is a squirly line-out thrower. It's a massive short-coming for him as a hooker. But by all means, stick to your guns if you like, it's a small thing and Ive argued about it all I will.

I would describe Fainga'a's throwing this year as being... sluggish...

The Brumbies lineout managed to function reasonably well with him playing, but I'm surprised he wasn't picked off more as the ball was, very slowly, lobbed in... probably saved by the Brumbies lineout functioning well as a unit with good jumping targets in Swain, Neville and Samu.

Lonergan's throwing however, has been excellent throughout SR TT... he did have a bit of a mare when he got his first opportunity early in SR Au, but it seemed to be quickly rectified.
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Slim 293 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:04 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:53 am
Olo wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:54 pm None of the Oz hookers are consistently accurate at lineout throwing. That is not the reason Uelese is not in the squad. He is at least as good as the other options in this area.
He's just not mate.

Fainga'a is the best throwing hooker in Australian rugby. Again, I haven't checked stats on that, it's just my gut hunch from watching. Like Zakar says, you'd really need to analyse some pretty in-depth statistics, like, who are your jumpers, how many lineouts does this team play in contested areas, etc.

But Uelese is a squirly line-out thrower. It's a massive short-coming for him as a hooker. But by all means, stick to your guns if you like, it's a small thing and Ive argued about it all I will.

I would describe Fainga'a's throwing this year as being... sluggish...

The Brumbies lineout managed to function reasonably well with him playing, but I'm surprised he wasn't picked off more as the ball was, very slowly, lobbed in... probably saved by the Brumbies lineout functioning well as a unit with good jumping targets in Swain, Neville and Samu.

Lonergan's throwing however, has been excellent throughout SR TT... he did have a bit of a mare when he got his first opportunity early in SR Au, but it seemed to be quickly rectified.
Fair call.
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Slim 293 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am 9. McDermott
10. Lolesio
11. Koroibete
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Wright
15. Banks

The future is now... :thumbup:
That is a very small test backline
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Slim 293 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:23 am Nic White ruled out of the French series with a knee injury...

It looks like it will be the Tate and Ryan Lonergan show.
Repetitive shitty box kick syndrome, apparently.
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Olo wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:30 am
Slim 293 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am 9. McDermott
10. Lolesio
11. Koroibete
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Wright
15. Banks

The future is now... :thumbup:
That is a very small test backline
Huge backs are over-rated anyway (imo).
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:11 pm
Olo wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:30 am
Slim 293 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am 9. McDermott
10. Lolesio
11. Koroibete
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Wright
15. Banks

The future is now... :thumbup:
That is a very small test backline
Huge backs are over-rated anyway (imo).
I don't even think we have any actual "bigger" alternatives...
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Hodge is big :o
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All this talk about it being a weakened French Rugby side…

#Wallabies could be missing this back line through injury:
9- White + Gordon
10- JOC
11- Vunivalu
12- To’omua
13- Perese
14- Petaia
15- DHP
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towny wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:34 pm Hodge is big :o
Bigger than Josh Flook
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I know Rennie's on record as saying he does not want to pick O/S guys, so why is the ARU negotiating with some washed up mungo (whose defence is shit), instead of spending that money getting R. Arnold back in country?
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Ellafan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:31 pm I know Rennie's on record as saying he does not want to pick O/S guys, so why is the ARU negotiating with some washed up mungo (whose defence is shit), instead of spending that money getting R. Arnold back in country?
Which mungo is RA negotiating with?
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:11 pm
Olo wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:30 am
Slim 293 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am 9. McDermott
10. Lolesio
11. Koroibete
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Wright
15. Banks

The future is now... :thumbup:
That is a very small test backline
Huge backs are over-rated anyway (imo).
Huge…….some.
Small………makes it tough when half the other blokes are huge

A big fast man will beat a small fast man. You need a little beef in there somewhere for test footy.
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Yeah, because you’d always pick Alex Cuthbert ahead of Shane Williams

:lol:
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Olo wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:15 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:11 pm
Olo wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:30 am
Slim 293 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am 9. McDermott
10. Lolesio
11. Koroibete
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Wright
15. Banks

The future is now... :thumbup:
That is a very small test backline
Huge backs are over-rated anyway (imo).
Huge…….some.
Small………makes it tough when half the other blokes are huge

A big fast man will beat a small fast man. You need a little beef in there somewhere for test footy.
I doubt the French will have massive backs.
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shanky wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:23 am Yeah, because you’d always pick Alex Cuthbert ahead of Shane Williams

:lol:
Not exactly what I was thinking but Shane Williams might struggle in the modern game. We need a couple of blokes who can carry in the mid field. Paisami does it and maybe we use Koirebete more often off his blind wing.
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Slim 293 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am 9. McDermott
10. Lolesio
11. Koroibete
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Wright
15. Banks

The future is now... :thumbup:
:thumbup: Good backline IMO. Hopefully Banks has one of his on days.
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Also Ikitau, Wright and Banks aren’t that small
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Bindi wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:52 am
Slim 293 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am 9. McDermott
10. Lolesio
11. Koroibete
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Wright
15. Banks

The future is now... :thumbup:
:thumbup: Good backline IMO. Hopefully Banks has one of his on days.
You don't need a big centre if Rob Valetini is there every now and then to hurt people.

I mean, Kerevi would be nice tho.
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The last thing I’m worried about is the smallness of Paisami, Ikitau, MK, Wright and Banks.
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I guess its not tiny but not much experience without JOC and Toomua.
Hope one or both are fit for selection.

They may go Simone at 12 with Paisami at 13 if not.
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Olo wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:15 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:11 pm
Olo wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:30 am
Slim 293 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am 9. McDermott
10. Lolesio
11. Koroibete
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Wright
15. Banks

The future is now... :thumbup:
That is a very small test backline
Huge backs are over-rated anyway (imo).
Huge…….some.
Small………makes it tough when half the other blokes are huge

A big fast man will beat a small fast man. You need a little beef in there somewhere for test footy.
Yes, I agree. Given two guys with equal skillsets, speed and agility, the big guy is better for rugby.

The problem is the big guy rarely has those skillsets (no matter what they think), although they do bring other advantages. At amateur level, there's plenty of guys playing backs who really should be in the forward pack, period.

I remember when Wendell Sailor first started - at 103kg he was considered an enormous back. Now it seems they all weigh that much.

Anyway, going on a bit of a tangent there. Yeah, if they are equal in every other way, bigger is better.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:11 am
Olo wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:15 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:11 pm
Olo wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:30 am
Slim 293 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am 9. McDermott
10. Lolesio
11. Koroibete
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Wright
15. Banks

The future is now... :thumbup:
That is a very small test backline
Huge backs are over-rated anyway (imo).
Huge…….some.
Small………makes it tough when half the other blokes are huge

A big fast man will beat a small fast man. You need a little beef in there somewhere for test footy.
Yes, I agree. Given two guys with equal skillsets, speed and agility, the big guy is better for rugby.

The problem is the big guy rarely has those skillsets (no matter what they think), although they do bring other advantages. At amateur level, there's plenty of guys playing backs who really should be in the forward pack, period.

I remember when Wendell Sailor first started - at 103kg he was considered an enormous back. Now it seems they all weigh that much.

Anyway, going on a bit of a tangent there. Yeah, if they are equal in every other way, bigger is better.
I would have thought Wendell was bigger than 103. He was a unit.
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towny wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:39 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:11 am
Olo wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:15 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:11 pm
Olo wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:30 am

That is a very small test backline
Huge backs are over-rated anyway (imo).
Huge…….some.
Small………makes it tough when half the other blokes are huge

A big fast man will beat a small fast man. You need a little beef in there somewhere for test footy.
Yes, I agree. Given two guys with equal skillsets, speed and agility, the big guy is better for rugby.

The problem is the big guy rarely has those skillsets (no matter what they think), although they do bring other advantages. At amateur level, there's plenty of guys playing backs who really should be in the forward pack, period.

I remember when Wendell Sailor first started - at 103kg he was considered an enormous back. Now it seems they all weigh that much.

Anyway, going on a bit of a tangent there. Yeah, if they are equal in every other way, bigger is better.
I would have thought Wendell was bigger than 103. He was a unit.
That's what he was listed. And it's kind of my point - he was a unit. Not so much by today's standards.

Also, I think a lot of blokes, even professionals, wildly exaggerate both their height and their weight. So it's pretty hard to know for sure sometimes.

Wendell probably didn't give a shit. When asked he probably just said, "about a hundred" or something. I dunno. Guessing.
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Come on…. There can’t be too many international wingers going around that are bigger than Del. And I don’t buy that he weighed 103kg. That’s 2kg more than Hooper. Dell started lean for the Broncos but ended up like a Coke fridge, so I’m certain he would have been 103 at some stage.


I’d wager that international backs have gotten generally smaller in the last 15 years.

Edit - he perhaps thought 103 was his perfect weight and so used that number. 👍
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Enjoying the bantz here at the Malmo rugby club

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towny wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:15 pm Come on…. There can’t be too many international wingers going around that are bigger than Del. And I don’t buy that he weighed 103kg. That’s 2kg more than Hooper. Dell started lean for the Broncos but ended up like a Coke fridge, so I’m certain he would have been 103 at some stage.


I’d wager that international backs have gotten generally smaller in the last 15 years.

Edit - he perhaps thought 103 was his perfect weight and so used that number. 👍
He's listed as 100 kegs on wiki. But yeah, he had to be bigger than that.
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shanky wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:53 pm Enjoying the bantz here at the Malmo rugby club

Ja
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towny wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:20 pm
shanky wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:53 pm Enjoying the bantz here at the Malmo rugby club

Ja
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Can’t I join in?

You and Mog, discussing mesomorphs

In a tree

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I bet this is how Brian Wilson felt….
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:lol: :lol:
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Renowned and respected rugby journalist, Paul Scully, wtites glowingly about Reece Hodge

‘Unsung’, ‘deft skills’, ‘an enormous asset’

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 584c4.html
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shanky wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:26 pm Renowned and respected rugby journalist, Paul Scully, wtites glowingly about Reece Hodge

‘Unsung’, ‘deft skills’, ‘an enormous asset’

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 584c4.html
Paul Cully is a joke. Reading that shite ruined my afternoon.
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shanky wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:26 pm Renowned and respected rugby journalist, Paul Scully, wtites glowingly about Reece Hodge

‘Unsung’, ‘deft skills’, ‘an enormous asset’

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 584c4.html
Hodge is a worthy and sound utility option and I'd have him in the squad, maybe the matchday team, on that basis. Plus his huge boot (which is under utilised imo).

Shafting him into the starting 10 jersey after a big injury lay off would seem unwise to me. I wouldn't do it.

But f**ked if I know. If that happens I'd be aprehensive but wouldn't cry myself to sleep. I'd be willing to trust they know something that I do not.
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towny wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:31 pm
shanky wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:26 pm Renowned and respected rugby journalist, Paul Scully, wtites glowingly about Reece Hodge

‘Unsung’, ‘deft skills’, ‘an enormous asset’

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 584c4.html
Paul Cully is a joke. Reading that shite ruined my afternoon.
Renowned

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Mog The Almighty wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:33 pm
shanky wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:26 pm Renowned and respected rugby journalist, Paul Scully, wtites glowingly about Reece Hodge

‘Unsung’, ‘deft skills’, ‘an enormous asset’

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 584c4.html
Hodge is a worthy and sound utility option and I'd have him in the squad, maybe the matchday team, on that basis. Plus his huge boot (which is under utilised imo).

Shafting him into the starting 10 jersey after a big injury lay off would seem unwise to me. I wouldn't do it.

But f**ked if I know. If that happens I'd be aprehensive but wouldn't cry myself to sleep. I'd be willing to trust they know something that I do not.
He’ll be there. On the bench

This is because clever people are in charge over there.
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Ye fickle fans of little faith. Hodge is class player and a worthy addition to the squad. I hope he earns your respect one day.
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