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Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:31 am**

Dumbledore wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:10 am I feel like I'm going insane reading this thread, actually being gaslit by you lot. I can remember maybe one long range penalty he's ever kicked? All the rest the commentators go OOOH HE HAD THE DISTANCE BUT HE'S JUST PUSHED IT WIDE AND THE WALLABIES GO INTO THE HALF DOWN 10!

When he played flyhalf those games ended with Paisami taking over and putting himself in at first receiver because Hodge couldn't get anything done. He spent most of those games lurking in the backline studiously staying out of the way and hoping if he was a good boy they'd let him get involved. He was appalling for the Rebels before he got injured, his skills were somehow regressing from an already very low base. Don't know who was worse between him and To'omua, but they both made Lewis Holland look like an absolute god.

Sick that he got a couple of intercepts? I guess that makes up for all of the times he rushes out of the line to be a hero and hangs everyone else out to dry? I genuinely don't understand the appeal. Does he give the everyman hope that he could make it? Are we not over watching guys like him, wouldn't it be more fun to watch someone good?

He’s the guy we want to do well, because he is who we might have been. He’s the guy that makes it because he persevered. He is Rudy. He is Dennis Quaid. He is Eddie the Eagle.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:33 am**

I think people think he's less athletic than he is, because on the field he looks like Michael Rapaport doing a Robert Patrick impression.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:32 am**

Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:33 am I think people think he's less athletic than he is, because on the field he looks like Michael Rapaport doing a Robert Patrick impression.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:34 am**

Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:33 am I think people think he's less athletic than he is, because on the field he looks like Michael Rapaport doing a Robert Patrick impression.

That is very true.

He's athletic enough.

Serious traps.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:22 am**

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:34 am
Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:33 am I think people think he's less athletic than he is, because on the field he looks like Michael Rapaport doing a Robert Patrick impression.

That is very true.

He's athletic enough.

Serious traps.

I wonder what he's like in a Kayak?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:20 am**

Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:22 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:34 am
Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:33 am I think people think he's less athletic than he is, because on the field he looks like Michael Rapaport doing a Robert Patrick impression.

That is very true.

He's athletic enough.

Serious traps.

I wonder what he's like in a Kayak?

He might even make the kiwi women's team with muscles like that.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:55 am**

Reminds me a few guys I knew in the army - they weren’t good enough to play test rugby either.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:01 pm**

Very interesting commentary about Valetini this evening. All the Aussie commentators are talking him up like he's the new Jesus. But two very telling points should be emphasised. The Aussies all talked about his attack work. This was epitomised by the nice young lady at the end, who was talking up his impact - in attack. I guess you don't mention defence when his team just got flogged.

The only talking head that really mentioned defence was Mehrtens, before the game, who made the observation that Valetini in the last 2 weeks has been working harder in defence and really getting off the line. This is a fair comment, because he has, and he put in a good shift early on in this game. But getting back to the end of the game, though .... the Brumbies got BP hammered in the end. I was looking for where he was in defence on the last couple of tries, and he wasn't in picture.

I know the ponies' guy has been annointed wallaby assist coach, but can we possibly get Thorn into to camp to sort out Valetini's head space so he stays acute for 80 minutes? IF Lurch can manage that, I'd be all for selecting him.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:23 pm**

Valetini is great in defence. He literally picks people up and walks backwards with them. In fact, in the past season I was critical of him for not being a presence enough with ball in hand, although undoubtedly a beast smashing rucks and in tackles. Thankfully he's addressed that in spades this year with his big runs and he's going to walk into the Wallaby starting side.

He might have run out of a bit of steam at the end of this game, I dunno. Maybe that's an issue. But you don't have to worry about his defence. He's a monster in the tackle.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:26 pm**

He just about put the Canes 12 in the grave.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:34 pm**

I'm sold that

Valetini
Hooper
Wilson

is the best backrow we have available at the moment. Earlier in the year I had McReight but he's been a bit disappointing plus he doesn't seeem to be very physical. We need blokes with mongrel at test level.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:58 pm**

Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:26 pm He just about put the Canes 12 in the grave.

Not sure what you're smokin' there.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:02 pm**

To be fair, Valetini was only ranked a lowly 4th in Super Rugby Au, behind Tizzano, McReight and Koteka, for tackles won...

Factoring in how many of those were dominant tackles... and his impact in attack, and workrate off the ball...

He's no Henry Stowers.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:02 pm**

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:23 pm Valetini is great in defence. He literally picks people up and walks backwards with them. In fact, in the past season I was critical of him for not being a presence enough with ball in hand, although undoubtedly a beast smashing rucks and in tackles. Thankfully he's addressed that in spades this year with his big runs and he's going to walk into the Wallaby starting side.

He might have run out of a bit of steam at the end of this game, I dunno. Maybe that's an issue. But you don't have to worry about his defence. He's a monster in the tackle.

The brumbies got a BP flogging. Please tell me where he was, and who he was tackling, on the last two oppo tries. By all means, take your time, and post videos. So yeah, I do have to worry about his defence.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:09 pm**

I think there can be no bigger compliment towards Valetini, in that his on field presence is so mammoth that ol' Sluggy expects him to cover the entire width of the field in defence, and that any breach within those 70m is a poor reflection of his defensive effort...

Imagine being that good.

Potentially... the white Eales?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:12 pm**

Slim 293 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:02 pm To be fair, Valetini was only ranked a lowly 4th in Super Rugby Au, behind Tizzano, McReight and Koteka, for tackles won...

Factoring in how many of those were dominant tackles... and his impact in attack, and workrate off the ball...

He's no Henry Stowers.

It's not rugby loig slimmy. #6 in real rugby has to have situational awareness and anticipation in defensive positioning, not just be another "centre". He was going OK in the first half of tonight's game, but his head dropped, and he lost focus in the second. I'm all for getting Lurch Thorn in there to sought out his mental application. At the moment, though, do you think the wallabies can carry him switching off in defence?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:15 pm**

Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:12 pm
Slim 293 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:02 pm To be fair, Valetini was only ranked a lowly 4th in Super Rugby Au, behind Tizzano, McReight and Koteka, for tackles won...

Factoring in how many of those were dominant tackles... and his impact in attack, and workrate off the ball...

He's no Henry Stowers.
It's not rugby loig slimmy. #6 in real rugby has to have situational awareness and anticipation in defensive positioning, not just be another "centre". He was going OK in the first half of tonight's game, but his head dropped, and he lost focus in the second. I'm all for getting Lurch Thorn in there to sought out his mental application. At the moment, though, do you think the wallabies can carry him switching off in defence?

Are we talking about Henry Stowers or Rob Valetini?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:17 pm**

I hear that Valetini doesn’t do push ups

Instead, he pushes the Earth down.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:25 pm**

Slim 293 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:15 pm
Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:12 pm
Slim 293 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:02 pm To be fair, Valetini was only ranked a lowly 4th in Super Rugby Au, behind Tizzano, McReight and Koteka, for tackles won...

Factoring in how many of those were dominant tackles... and his impact in attack, and workrate off the ball...

He's no Henry Stowers.
It's not rugby loig slimmy. #6 in real rugby has to have situational awareness and anticipation in defensive positioning, not just be another "centre". He was going OK in the first half of tonight's game, but his head dropped, and he lost focus in the second. I'm all for getting Lurch Thorn in there to sought out his mental application. At the moment, though, do you think the wallabies can carry him switching off in defence?

Are we talking about Henry Stowers or Rob Valetini?

Slimmy, your team just got a bonus point flogging. Because their defence in the second half was shithouse.

I admire your tribal loyalty and urge to defend your ponies 6 at all costs, but seriously?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:26 pm**

Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:58 pm
Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:26 pm He just about put the Canes 12 in the grave.
Not sure what you're smokin' there.

https://youtu.be/A7dkKOdCCxA?t=161

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:29 pm**

Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:25 pm
Slim 293 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:15 pm
Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:12 pm
Slim 293 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:02 pm To be fair, Valetini was only ranked a lowly 4th in Super Rugby Au, behind Tizzano, McReight and Koteka, for tackles won...

Factoring in how many of those were dominant tackles... and his impact in attack, and workrate off the ball...

He's no Henry Stowers.
It's not rugby loig slimmy. #6 in real rugby has to have situational awareness and anticipation in defensive positioning, not just be another "centre". He was going OK in the first half of tonight's game, but his head dropped, and he lost focus in the second. I'm all for getting Lurch Thorn in there to sought out his mental application. At the moment, though, do you think the wallabies can carry him switching off in defence?

Are we talking about Henry Stowers or Rob Valetini?
Slimmy, your team just got a bonus point flogging. Because their defence in the second half was shithouse.

I admire your tribal loyalty and urge to defend your ponies 6 at all costs, but seriously?

Your team is losing by 50pts a match.

Who would you have at 6?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:35 pm**

Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:29 pm
Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:25 pm
Slim 293 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:15 pm
Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:12 pm
Slim 293 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:02 pm To be fair, Valetini was only ranked a lowly 4th in Super Rugby Au, behind Tizzano, McReight and Koteka, for tackles won...

Factoring in how many of those were dominant tackles... and his impact in attack, and workrate off the ball...

He's no Henry Stowers.
It's not rugby loig slimmy. #6 in real rugby has to have situational awareness and anticipation in defensive positioning, not just be another "centre". He was going OK in the first half of tonight's game, but his head dropped, and he lost focus in the second. I'm all for getting Lurch Thorn in there to sought out his mental application. At the moment, though, do you think the wallabies can carry him switching off in defence?

Are we talking about Henry Stowers or Rob Valetini?
Slimmy, your team just got a bonus point flogging. Because their defence in the second half was shithouse.

I admire your tribal loyalty and urge to defend your ponies 6 at all costs, but seriously?
Your team is losing by 50pts a match.

Who would you have at 6?

Definitely not Henry Stowers...

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:38 pm**

Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:29 pm
Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:25 pm
Slim 293 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:15 pm
Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:12 pm
Slim 293 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:02 pm To be fair, Valetini was only ranked a lowly 4th in Super Rugby Au, behind Tizzano, McReight and Koteka, for tackles won...

Factoring in how many of those were dominant tackles... and his impact in attack, and workrate off the ball...

He's no Henry Stowers.
It's not rugby loig slimmy. #6 in real rugby has to have situational awareness and anticipation in defensive positioning, not just be another "centre". He was going OK in the first half of tonight's game, but his head dropped, and he lost focus in the second. I'm all for getting Lurch Thorn in there to sought out his mental application. At the moment, though, do you think the wallabies can carry him switching off in defence?

Are we talking about Henry Stowers or Rob Valetini?
Slimmy, your team just got a bonus point flogging. Because their defence in the second half was shithouse.

I admire your tribal loyalty and urge to defend your ponies 6 at all costs, but seriously?
Your team is losing by 50pts a match.

Who would you have at 6?

No one from that team.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:40 pm**

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:26 pm
Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:58 pm
Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:26 pm He just about put the Canes 12 in the grave.
Not sure what you're smokin' there.
https://youtu.be/A7dkKOdCCxA?t=161

I'm wondering about your reading comprehension there, Mog.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:46 pm**

grievous wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:56 pm
Wallabies will leave ‘in droves’ if we pick overseas players like Springboks: Rennie ...

<snip> ... But earlier this week former Wallaby Drew Mitchell called for those moving overseas or based beyond these shores to not be forgotten.

“Where we are in this country and up against different sports, we need wins,” Mitchell said on Stan Sport’s Rugby Heaven program. “We need to win against this French team ... so pick the best team.

I liked the bloke as a player, but the longer Drew Mitchell holds forth, all the more he seems like a twat.

I reckon he's Stan's weakest link.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:46 pm**

Do I remember a time when Sluggy wasn’t like bimbo? I think so. He wasn’t always like this, right? Is it just me or is he going cray-cray?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:49 pm**

kiap wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:46 pm
grievous wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:56 pm
Wallabies will leave ‘in droves’ if we pick overseas players like Springboks: Rennie ...

<snip> ... But earlier this week former Wallaby Drew Mitchell called for those moving overseas or based beyond these shores to not be forgotten.

“Where we are in this country and up against different sports, we need wins,” Mitchell said on Stan Sport’s Rugby Heaven program. “We need to win against this French team ... so pick the best team.

I liked the bloke as a player, but the longer Drew Mitchell holds forth, all the more he seems like a twat.

I reckon he's Stan's weakest link.

They’ve got him in the wrong role. He’s the joker. Stan should give him a couple of beers before the game and tell him to pretend he’s at a bar trying to impress some girls.

Untie his hands. Let him go free.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:49 pm**

No one got my Chuck Norris joke reference

Cunce.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:53 pm**

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:17 pm I hear that Valetini doesn’t do push ups

Instead, he pushes the Earth down.

You know, I fully expect that after the Wallabies lose against NZ 5-blot in this year's further expanded Bledisloe, after Ritchie Mo'uaga scores 8 tries down the blind off set piece scrum moves, Slimmy, towny, Zakar et al will all be in here telling me that valetini is the best #6 of all time, and there is nothing wrong with his defence.

Towny will likely tell me I'm a racist for doubting the lad's technique and mental application (he's already pulled that card), Slimmy will be quoting stats about hit up in the centres (rugba loig style), and Zakar will be asking who from the Waratahs would have been better. Which is the wrong question, of course.

Dasvidaniya.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:58 pm**

Sluggy..

Mate..

You’re 100% wrong on Valetini

Find someone else to get stuck into. Let’s try angry-face Swinton* for example. What a pretender!

(*Hypothetical example for discussion purposes)

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:14 pm**

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:49 pm No one got my Chuck Norris joke reference

Cunce.

We got it. It was very, very funny.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:17 pm**

Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:53 pm
shanky wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:17 pm I hear that Valetini doesn’t do push ups

Instead, he pushes the Earth down.
You know, I fully expect that after the Wallabies lose against NZ 5-blot in this year's further expanded Bledisloe, after Ritchie Mo'uaga scores 8 tries down the blind off set piece scrum moves, Slimmy, towny, Zakar et al will all be in here telling me that valetini is the best #6 of all time, and there is nothing wrong with his defence.

Towny will likely tell me I'm a racist for doubting the lad's technique and mental application (he's already pulled that card), Slimmy will be quoting stats about hit up in the centres (rugba loig style), and Zakar will be asking who from the Waratahs would have been better. Which is the wrong question, of course.

Dasvidaniya.

You want us to lose so you can be ‘right’. I can’t understand why anyone could be so angry about a 22 year-old backrower that runs around axing people. It’s actually really weird and no one understands what is driving this.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:18 pm**

Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:53 pm
shanky wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:17 pm I hear that Valetini doesn’t do push ups

Instead, he pushes the Earth down.
You know, I fully expect that after the Wallabies lose against NZ 5-blot in this year's further expanded Bledisloe, after Ritchie Mo'uaga scores 8 tries down the blind off set piece scrum moves, Slimmy, towny, Zakar et al will all be in here telling me that valetini is the best #6 of all time, and there is nothing wrong with his defence.

Is Valetini actually on the field in this example? Or have you, again, confused him for another player of PI appearance?

Sluggy... the slender Gordon Bray?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:33 pm**

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:58 pm Sluggy..

Mate..

You’re 100% wrong on Valetini

Find someone else to get stuck into. Let’s try angry-face Swinton* for example. What a pretender!

(*Hypothetical example for discussion purposes)

Needs to up his aggression levels. It's not tiddly-winks.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:49 pm**

Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:38 pm
Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:29 pm
Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:25 pm
Slim 293 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:15 pm
Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:12 pm

It's not rugby loig slimmy. #6 in real rugby has to have situational awareness and anticipation in defensive positioning, not just be another "centre". He was going OK in the first half of tonight's game, but his head dropped, and he lost focus in the second. I'm all for getting Lurch Thorn in there to sought out his mental application. At the moment, though, do you think the wallabies can carry him switching off in defence?

Are we talking about Henry Stowers or Rob Valetini?
Slimmy, your team just got a bonus point flogging. Because their defence in the second half was shithouse.

I admire your tribal loyalty and urge to defend your ponies 6 at all costs, but seriously?
Your team is losing by 50pts a match.

Who would you have at 6?
No one from that team.

Jesus.

Who. Would. You. Pick. At. 6?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:56 pm**

So the Wallaby team is being named on Sunday. Will there be any bolters or surprise selections?

Do people think the Australian teams' likely 2-23 record against NZ teams in TT Super Rugby will impact on player's confidence leading up to the Bledisloe series?

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:06 am**

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:56 pm So the Wallaby team is being named on Sunday. Will there be any bolters or surprise selections?

Do people think the Australian teams' likely 2-23 record against NZ teams in TT Super Rugby will impact on player's confidence leading up to the Bledisloe series?

Is Jimmy Doleman reffing? If so, oui.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:07 am**

kiap wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:06 am
Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:56 pm So the Wallaby team is being named on Sunday. Will there be any bolters or surprise selections?

Do people think the Australian teams' likely 2-23 record against NZ teams in TT Super Rugby will impact on player's confidence leading up to the Bledisloe series?
Is Jimmy Doleman reffing? If so, oui.

Egon Doleman doesn't need to referee anymore. Apparently he's come in to quite a bit of money over the past 12 hours and he's now retiring to the Bahamas.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:09 am**

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:07 am
kiap wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:06 am
Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:56 pm So the Wallaby team is being named on Sunday. Will there be any bolters or surprise selections?

Do people think the Australian teams' likely 2-23 record against NZ teams in TT Super Rugby will impact on player's confidence leading up to the Bledisloe series?
Is Jimmy Doleman reffing? If so, oui.
Egon Doleman doesn't need to referee anymore. Apparently he's come in to quite a bit of money over the past 12 hours and he's now retiring to the Bahamas.

Posted: **Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:18 am**

Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:49 pm Jesus.

Who. Would. You. Pick. At. 6?

I will take the liberty of answering on His behalf.

LSL at 6, Valetini to come on at 60 or even earlier to go berserk. LSL into the middle of the row.

We are a bit worried about the lineouts, would prefer to start with the best possible targets, all things being equal.

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