Vaccine Passports - A Poll

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Vaccine Passports - Are You in Favour - Yes or No

Yes
104
75%
No
35
25%
 
Total votes: 139

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guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:05 am It's just a flu, right.
Well no, not technically.

But obviously it's extremely similar to other coronavirus caused respiratory diseases and pretending that's not the case is way more wrong than pretending it's something totally incomparable.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:44 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:05 am It's just a flu, right.
Well no, not technically.

But obviously it's extremely similar to other coronavirus caused respiratory diseases and pretending that's not the case is way more wrong than pretending it's something totally incomparable.
Ffs guy was being sarcastic
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C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:46 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:44 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:05 am It's just a flu, right.
Well no, not technically.

But obviously it's extremely similar to other coronavirus caused respiratory diseases and pretending that's not the case is way more wrong than pretending it's something totally incomparable.
Ffs guy was being sarcastic
:lol:
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I'm surprised by the poll result on here. Assuming we (in the UK for example) vaccinate 80%+ of the population, so reach herd immunity, what do people expect a vaccine passport to achieve? What do we get in return for a piece of bureacracy we all have to pay for and follow.
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ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:54 am I'm surprised by the poll result on here. Assuming we (in the UK for example) vaccinate 80%+ of the population, so reach herd immunity, what do people expect a vaccine passport to achieve? What do we get in return for a piece of bureacracy we all have to pay for and follow.
We will have to see what happens year on year with boosters etc and whether we need U16s vaccinated.
It's complicatex and tbh vacine passports shouldn't cost too much.
Well unless it's outsources to Dido or Hannobs mate the Pub Landlord :uhoh:
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Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
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C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:59 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:54 am I'm surprised by the poll result on here. Assuming we (in the UK for example) vaccinate 80%+ of the population, so reach herd immunity, what do people expect a vaccine passport to achieve? What do we get in return for a piece of bureacracy we all have to pay for and follow.
We will have to see what happens year on year with boosters etc and whether we need U16s vaccinated.
It's complicatex and tbh vacine passports shouldn't cost too much.
Well unless it's outsources to Dido or Hannobs mate the Pub Landlord :uhoh:
We can wait to see before introducing f**king passports to get into a pub or the supermarket.
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ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
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ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Maybe we should just force them to carry some sort of symbol ... ring a bell whilst out in public?
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guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
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ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
The elephant in the room is that we are not living in a world envisioned by Lord Salisbury.
We are now a Global village.
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ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
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guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
I know perhaps all our biometric data could be placed in a tiny microchip inder our skin that we can scan when entering or exiting certain premises or borders.
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guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
You don't need to know exactly, although a central database is useful, you just need cases to be low enough as to make no difference. The only people likely to be hospitalised or die will then be those who didn't get vccinated... surely that's enough for you without making them second class citizens? Taking a vaccine isn't mandatory.
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C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:25 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
I know perhaps all our biometric data could be placed in a tiny microchip inder our skin that we can scan when entering or exiting certain premises or borders.
It can run on Windows 95.
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guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:52 am
C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:46 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:44 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:05 am It's just a flu, right.
Well no, not technically.

But obviously it's extremely similar to other coronavirus caused respiratory diseases and pretending that's not the case is way more wrong than pretending it's something totally incomparable.
Ffs guy was being sarcastic
:lol:
You think I didn't realise that?

My point is that it's much more similar to the flu/cold than not. So sarcastic comments that imply that they're something totally different are just wrong.
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ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
I know ... well, not personally, friend of a friend (who is a nurse) ... at least one person who has had coronavirus, then been immunised, and has just now caught it a second time.

No doubt widespread immunisation will help greatly but there are no guarantees.
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guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
I'm not talking about an international travel passport, I'm talking a domestic UK vaccine passport to control allowed movement inside the UK (or any other country considering this). As for knowing who has been vaccinated, we keep records in the UK, we do stuff like that.
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ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:34 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
I'm not talking about an international travel passport, I'm talking a domestic UK vaccine passport to control allowed movement inside the UK (or any other country considering this). As for knowing who has been vaccinated, we keep records in the UK, we do stuff like that.
Taking Boris' line; If businesses want to only employ vaccinated people or businesses like hospitality or airlines or Hotels etc only want vaccinated patrons and clients who is the state totell them what to do?


Seems very consistent with what the English Governement ispushing at.
You get the government you vote for, you don't likeit feck off to some where else.
Or protest against it, oh wait err scrapthe protest bit.
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Gospel wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:22 pm I am in favour of them for international travel but I don't think they should be issued until everyone has been offered a vaccine. By that I mean if there was a global vaccine passport I don't think they should be available to anyone in the UK until everyone here had been offered a shot.
Agree really, but doubt it will be a choice.

Need to make sure those that count actually have it are covered though, as others have mentioned.
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C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:01 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:34 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am

Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
I'm not talking about an international travel passport, I'm talking a domestic UK vaccine passport to control allowed movement inside the UK (or any other country considering this). As for knowing who has been vaccinated, we keep records in the UK, we do stuff like that.
Taking Boris' line; If businesses want to only employ vaccinated people or businesses like hospitality or airlines or Hotels etc only want vaccinated patrons and clients who is the state totell them what to do?


Seems very consistent with what the English Governement ispushing at.
You get the government you vote for, you don't likeit feck off to some where else.
Or protest against it, oh wait err scrapthe protest bit.
How will those businesses know who have been vaccinated? I doubt very much they would take it on themselves to do that. Without a government backed scheme they would be nowhere, and maybe leaving themselves open to discrimination lawsuits.
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ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:16 pm
C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:01 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:34 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am

If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
I'm not talking about an international travel passport, I'm talking a domestic UK vaccine passport to control allowed movement inside the UK (or any other country considering this). As for knowing who has been vaccinated, we keep records in the UK, we do stuff like that.
Taking Boris' line; If businesses want to only employ vaccinated people or businesses like hospitality or airlines or Hotels etc only want vaccinated patrons and clients who is the state totell them what to do?


Seems very consistent with what the English Governement ispushing at.
You get the government you vote for, you don't likeit feck off to some where else.
Or protest against it, oh wait err scrapthe protest bit.
How will those businesses know who have been vaccinated? I doubt very much they would take it on themselves to do that. Without a government backed scheme they would be nowhere, and maybe leaving themselves open to discrimination lawsuits.
Is it illegal to discriminate against people that haven't been vaccinated ?
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ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:16 pm
C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:01 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:34 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am

If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
I'm not talking about an international travel passport, I'm talking a domestic UK vaccine passport to control allowed movement inside the UK (or any other country considering this). As for knowing who has been vaccinated, we keep records in the UK, we do stuff like that.
Taking Boris' line; If businesses want to only employ vaccinated people or businesses like hospitality or airlines or Hotels etc only want vaccinated patrons and clients who is the state totell them what to do?


Seems very consistent with what the English Governement ispushing at.
You get the government you vote for, you don't likeit feck off to some where else.
Or protest against it, oh wait err scrapthe protest bit.
How will those businesses know who have been vaccinated? I doubt very much they would take it on themselves to do that. Without a government backed scheme they would be nowhere, and maybe leaving themselves open to discrimination lawsuits.
Perhaps the PM has an idea, after all he fecking suggested it. It's not as if the right wing buffoon would have opened his gob on such a serious issue without either thinking about the implications of his words or at least having a blue print for his suggestions.
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ovalball wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:19 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:16 pm
C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:01 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:34 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am

We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
I'm not talking about an international travel passport, I'm talking a domestic UK vaccine passport to control allowed movement inside the UK (or any other country considering this). As for knowing who has been vaccinated, we keep records in the UK, we do stuff like that.
Taking Boris' line; If businesses want to only employ vaccinated people or businesses like hospitality or airlines or Hotels etc only want vaccinated patrons and clients who is the state totell them what to do?


Seems very consistent with what the English Governement ispushing at.
You get the government you vote for, you don't likeit feck off to some where else.
Or protest against it, oh wait err scrapthe protest bit.
How will those businesses know who have been vaccinated? I doubt very much they would take it on themselves to do that. Without a government backed scheme they would be nowhere, and maybe leaving themselves open to discrimination lawsuits.
Is it illegal to discriminate against people that haven't been vaccinated ?
You can bet it would tested in law.
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C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:20 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:16 pm
C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:01 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:34 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am

We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
I'm not talking about an international travel passport, I'm talking a domestic UK vaccine passport to control allowed movement inside the UK (or any other country considering this). As for knowing who has been vaccinated, we keep records in the UK, we do stuff like that.
Taking Boris' line; If businesses want to only employ vaccinated people or businesses like hospitality or airlines or Hotels etc only want vaccinated patrons and clients who is the state totell them what to do?


Seems very consistent with what the English Governement ispushing at.
You get the government you vote for, you don't likeit feck off to some where else.
Or protest against it, oh wait err scrapthe protest bit.
How will those businesses know who have been vaccinated? I doubt very much they would take it on themselves to do that. Without a government backed scheme they would be nowhere, and maybe leaving themselves open to discrimination lawsuits.
Perhaps the PM has an idea, after all he fecking suggested it. It's not as if the right wing buffoon would have opened his gob on such a serious issue without either thinking about the implications of his words or at least having a blue print for his suggestions.
He's said AFAIK that that matter is under consideration by government and no position is decided yet.
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Chip you have an issue then criticse the govenment
They coined the term and are looking into “COVID status certification” and here is exactlywhat boris said.
Asked about vaccine certificates for pubs, he said: "I think that's the kind of thing that may be up to individual publicans. It may be up to the landlord."
Grwo a set of balls and criticise the Governement when they are the ones pushing an agenda you don't like rather than spaffing your load agaoinst the wall when they impress you.

Btw the vaccine rollout has been excellent from procurement and manufacture to the NHS run vaccine delivery system :thumbup:
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C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:01 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:34 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:18 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am

Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.
If we have 80%+ immunised we don't have a pandemic.
We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
I'm not talking about an international travel passport, I'm talking a domestic UK vaccine passport to control allowed movement inside the UK (or any other country considering this). As for knowing who has been vaccinated, we keep records in the UK, we do stuff like that.
Taking Boris' line; If businesses want to only employ vaccinated people or businesses like hospitality or airlines or Hotels etc only want vaccinated patrons and clients who is the state totell them what to do?


Seems very consistent with what the English Governement ispushing at.
You get the government you vote for, you don't likeit feck off to some where else.
Or protest against it, oh wait err scrapthe protest bit.
None at all. As long as it is fully advertised and I'm free to take myself elsewhere.
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guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:09 am
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am Clearly its intended to separate out people who have not had a vaccine, so we can stop them entering pubs, working in certain jobs, being with others on public transport, going to indoor events like plays, cinema, sporting events. It will be incredibly divisive and damaging for society. It will create an under class. Will it make the vaccinated safer - I think not measurably. I don't agree with anti vaxxers but this is taking it too far.
Your concern for society is noted, coming as it does in the middle of the worst pandemic in living memory... a pandemic caused by an extremely contagious virus.


Society will exist post the virus. Changing basic values is stupid.
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ovalball wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:19 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:16 pm
C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:01 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:34 am
guy smiley wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:22 am

We don't know that for sure yet...

but let's not worry too much about whether that can be achieved. Let's instead look at the question of how we will know we've reached 80%?

Some sort of, oh I dunno...

f**king passport?
I'm not talking about an international travel passport, I'm talking a domestic UK vaccine passport to control allowed movement inside the UK (or any other country considering this). As for knowing who has been vaccinated, we keep records in the UK, we do stuff like that.
Taking Boris' line; If businesses want to only employ vaccinated people or businesses like hospitality or airlines or Hotels etc only want vaccinated patrons and clients who is the state totell them what to do?


Seems very consistent with what the English Governement ispushing at.
You get the government you vote for, you don't likeit feck off to some where else.
Or protest against it, oh wait err scrapthe protest bit.
How will those businesses know who have been vaccinated? I doubt very much they would take it on themselves to do that. Without a government backed scheme they would be nowhere, and maybe leaving themselves open to discrimination lawsuits.
Is it illegal to discriminate against people that haven't been vaccinated ?

It directly discriminated against pregnant or wishing to be pregnant women.
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C69 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:42 pm Chip you have an issue then criticse the govenment
They coined the term and are looking into “COVID status certification” and here is exactlywhat boris said.
Asked about vaccine certificates for pubs, he said: "I think that's the kind of thing that may be up to individual publicans. It may be up to the landlord."
Grwo a set of balls and criticise the Governement when they are the ones pushing an agenda you don't like rather than spaffing your load agaoinst the wall when they impress you.

Btw the vaccine rollout has been excellent from procurement and manufacture to the NHS run vaccine delivery system :thumbup:
They are discussing it - this means deciding on the principles and how you could implement it. I have no issue with the government discussing things - it's their job. If they bring in vaccine passports I will be criticising it, I've given my reasoning above.
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Just submitted my vote. A hell yea
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iarmhiman wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:22 pm Just submitted my vote. A hell yea


Little surprise there.
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iarmhiman wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:22 pm Just submitted my vote. A hell yea
I presume the EU have just announced they will be implementing them.
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ChipSpike wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:43 pm I'd wait to see what the uptake percentage in the young before doing anything like this. If we reach herd immunity for this virus then why do we need passports?
Without "incentives" the uptake in the young will not be very good
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bimboman wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:38 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:22 pm Just submitted my vote. A hell yea


Little surprise there.
Same fir your anti-lockdowns reactions and the obvious success of them and the damage done when they are not lock downed fast enough.
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I’ve just waiting outside for my first vaccination. Once I get it I’m not leaving until I get my Boris Passport, in red, white and blue obviously.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:06 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:43 pm I'd wait to see what the uptake percentage in the young before doing anything like this. If we reach herd immunity for this virus then why do we need passports?
Without "incentives" the uptake in the young will not be very good
not what yougov polls are showing, from mar 12 37% had the vaccine already and a further 49% intend to have it.
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A5D5E5 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:51 pm Image
iarmhiman wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:22 pm Just submitted my vote. A hell yea
I presume the EU have just announced they will be implementing them.
Not yet.

This Tory government has my full support though .
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79% say yes.

Bimbo in the contrarian minority as usual
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eldanielfire wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:21 pm
bimboman wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:38 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:22 pm Just submitted my vote. A hell yea


Little surprise there.
Same fir your anti-lockdowns reactions and the obvious success of them and the damage done when they are not lock downed fast enough.


The damage caused by lockdowns is worse than Covid , just less visible.
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