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Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:02 am**

sinba556 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:37 am
Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:07 am
Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:33 am
Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:29 am Someone needs to keep Mo'unga honest. He does sloppy things with the basics occasionally like kick penalty touch finders dead. I don't recall Dan Carter ever doing that.
5 titles in five years for the Crusaders yet here you are obsessing over the occasional missed touch finder
You seem incapable of having a serious conversation about Mo'unga's downsides.

He has the same issue as when Beauden Barrett was the World Rugby Player of the year. Teams become dependent on those players to win games with their X-Factor running game from 10.

That's easy to shut down at RWC knockout games when teams raise their defense to a new level.

No RWC winning team had an X-Factor player like Mo'unga or Barrett at 10. By 2015 Carter no longer had his running game but was able to fall back to an extremely proficient orthodox 10 game.

Sometimes Mo'unga gets sloppy with the orthodox components of 10 play. That's ok when you're the Crusaders in Super Rugby but it doesn't wash at test level.
You don't take a team to 5 titles with a deficient 10. He gas an excellent running game. That doesn't take anything away from his game otherwise. Even Carter kicked the occasional penalty dead. Overall Mounga has a pretty complete game

I never said he was deficient. I said he can be sloppy at times. There is a difference. He essentially has lapses of concentration that you can get away with at Super Rugby level when you're playing for the Crusaders.

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:06 am**

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:28 am
merlin the happy pig wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:18 am Quite sad to see Laumape going.
This year would seem to have been tailor made for an actual specialist 12 to step up.
None of Ioane, ALB or Goodhue are natural 12's and I don't think long term that Havili is better than Laumape. No doubt Havili is a consummate footballer, but he is also very much in the solid rather than spectacular mold.
Looking to 2023 I can't see ALB and Goodhue offering enough on attack to be effective, they both have silky skills, but there are occasions when you need simple athleticism whether that is via pace/agility or raw power. They are simply adequate in that regard. Laumape may not have the power of Nonu but a backline with Laumape at 12 looks better balanced than ALB and Goodhue.
Ioane at center doesn't really solve the problem either, we aren't short of centers, we are short of 12's, and moving him to 13 simply creates a hole at 11 that we can't sill with anything like his power/pace. (and ability under the high ball)

I don't have an obvious answer to this conundrum, but I think we can only afford to play 1 of Goodhue and ALB, and we have to leave Ioane on the wing because moving him plugs a hole we don't need to fill, and creates a hole we can't easily fill.

Longshot, groom Leicester Fainga'anuku as a 12 and play one of ALB or Goodhue outside him
I'd play Goodhue at 13. He's a better athlete than ALB. You'd need that against guys like Ringrose, Petaia etc. He won't beat them but he'd keep them in check.

I'd go Ioane at 12, he's the new whiye Nonu.

You're wrong on 3 counts in this post.

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:01 am**

It is going to be very interesting to see how Ian Foster approaches the selection of his midfield.

Jack Goodhue has been a mainstay of the AB midfield for the past few years, being rotated between 12 and 13, but he's injured. Ngani Laumape is going to France.

The depth at 12 is arguably weaker than it's ever been in the pro-era. It's reflects poorly on NZ Rugby that David Havili was the form 12 in the country this year given he's barely played at 12 in a decade.

I expect Foster will use ALB and Havili at 12, and Ioane and Fainga'anuku at 13. That horrifes me a but as neither Ioane or Fainga'anuku have a test class passing game. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Alex Nankivell get a call up. He's a bit of a hybrid 12, able to use his his passing game to create time and space for his outside players but also bug enough to straighten the attack and play as a bosh midfielder.

Personally I'd love to see Michael Collins get a run at 13. I think he has the potential to be the White Conrad Smith.

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:43 am**

For me the worst aspect of the midfield conundrum was that Peter Umaga-Jensen got bugger all game time, and as a big unit he needs to play often, and Vince Aso neither. Following on from that, yes, it is the 12 jersey that's a concern as when you look at the 13's we have Ioane, Ennor, Faingaanuku, in a bit of a logjam. When you think that Havili is only a recent conversion to 12 I guess Nankivell does come into the reckoning, but we really need, for next year, all the young guns to be fit and firing, like the Umaga-Jensen brothers, Paea, B Sullivan, Tupaea, Punivai, Proctor, and Aso. I could just throw a wildcard in too... I think he's too small, but Reece played at centre in his school days didn't he?

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:49 am**

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:01 am It is going to be very interesting to see how Ian Foster approaches the selection of his midfield.

Jack Goodhue has been a mainstay of the AB midfield for the past few years, being rotated between 12 and 13, but he's injured. Ngani Laumape is going to France.

The depth at 12 is arguably weaker than it's ever been in the pro-era. It's reflects poorly on NZ Rugby that David Havili was the form 12 in the country this year given he's barely played at 12 in a decade.

I expect Foster will use ALB and Havili at 12, and Ioane and Fainga'anuku at 13. That horrifes me a but as neither Ioane or Fainga'anuku have a test class passing game. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Alex Nankivell get a call up. He's a bit of a hybrid 12, able to use his his passing game to create time and space for his outside players but also bug enough to straighten the attack and play as a bosh midfielder.

Personally I'd love to see Michael Collins get a run at 13. I think he has the potential to be the White Conrad Smith.

Sheesh dude, do you have to troll the Blues fans on every thread?

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:04 am**

Michael Collins has certainly blossomed at the Highlanders as a 13.

Gregory has also been playing well at 12.

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:11 am**

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:01 am It is going to be very interesting to see how Ian Foster approaches the selection of his midfield.

Jack Goodhue has been a mainstay of the AB midfield for the past few years, being rotated between 12 and 13, but he's injured. Ngani Laumape is going to France.

The depth at 12 is arguably weaker than it's ever been in the pro-era. It's reflects poorly on NZ Rugby that David Havili was the form 12 in the country this year given he's barely played at 12 in a decade.

I expect Foster will use ALB and Havili at 12, and Ioane and Fainga'anuku at 13. That horrifes me a but as neither Ioane or Fainga'anuku have a test class passing game. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Alex Nankivell get a call up. He's a bit of a hybrid 12, able to use his his passing game to create time and space for his outside players but also bug enough to straighten the attack and play as a bosh midfielder.

Personally I'd love to see Michael Collins get a run at 13. I think he has the potential to be the White Conrad Smith.

Goodhue wasn't a mainstay in a technical sense, just a sectorial one. IMO, he's still finding his way in test footy, though he could also be considered a safe yet unspectacular option.

If Havili can get a crack and cement his position, then it's ALB at 13 for me. However, despite his good season at Soup level, I'm not convinced by Havili at test level, perhaps we'll find out this year as he must surely be given a go.

Unfortunately Ennor hasn't come back from his injury in tip top condition and is more a centre anyway.

It's way too early for Fainga'anuku, too many rough edges and a disappointing propensity to turn slowly on the chase. Maybe things have happened too easily for him, that or he's a distant relation of Akira Ioane.

I'd like to see a specialist 2nd 5/8 for a change. Whether that is a second playmaker or a more direct type of player, I think the position is so vital that chucking a utility in there and getting by with that is not good enough any more. Now that person could be someone who is currently regarded as a utility, but is is given a decent amount of time to grow into the position, perhaps as an understudy.

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:23 am**

I would take any of Nankevelli, Tupaea, Havili, and Gregory over Stensness, Mayerhofler, Gibson, or Alatini.

Even Aaron Mauger was a flakey defender who repeatedly chose to kick aimless midfield bombs despite his other talents.

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:05 am**

This is the squad I think Foster and co will pick.

Props: Aidan Ross, Ethan de Groot, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Angus Ta'avao, Alex Hodgman, Karl Tu’inukuafe
Hookers: Codie Taylor, Dane Coles, Asafo Aumua
Locks: Sam Whitelock (c), Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Tupou Vaa'i, Patrick Tuipulotu
Backrow: Dalton Papali'i, Luke Jacobson, Akira Ioane, Ethan Blackadder, Billy Harmon, Hoskins Sotutu, Shannon Frizell

Halfbacks: Aaron Smith, TJ Perenara, Brad Weber
First Fives: Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga
Midfielders: Anton Lienart-Brown, Rieko Ioane, David Havili
Outside backs: Jordie Barrett, Damien McKenzie, Sevu Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku, Salesi Rayasi, Will Jordan

Players like Savea and Bridge not considered due to injury.

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:09 am**

Interested to see if Foster and co go for Tom Robinson. Not sure if they will stick with Frizell.

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:25 am**

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:09 am Interested to see if Foster and co go for Tom Robinson. Not sure if they will stick with Frizell.

Frizell has to be there at 6 if fit,like it or not he been best 6 in NZ this year.

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:33 am**

Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:25 am
Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:09 am Interested to see if Foster and co go for Tom Robinson. Not sure if they will stick with Frizell.
Frizell has to be there at 6 if fit,like it or not he been best 6 in NZ this year.

He just hasn't kicked on at All Blacks level despite being there for a few years. He always plays well in Super Rugby. He got delt to by the Argies last year and was dropped for Ioane. The AB coaches won't forget that.

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:36 am**

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:33 am
Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:25 am
Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:09 am Interested to see if Foster and co go for Tom Robinson. Not sure if they will stick with Frizell.
Frizell has to be there at 6 if fit,like it or not he been best 6 in NZ this year.
He just hasn't kicked on at All Blacks level despite being there for a few years. He always plays well in Super Rugby. He got delt to by the Argies last year

It's going to be a very inexperienced looking AB team if every player who was involved in that loss to the Pumas is precluded from selection. Especially as you are also always constantly trolling players who were involved in the 2019 RWC semi final loss as well. I'd like to see your squad minus players from both those matches.

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:44 am**

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:36 am It's going to be a very inexperienced looking AB team if every player who was involved in that loss to the Pumas is precluded from selection.

Ive included Frizell in the squad I think Foster will pick along with most players in that game last year if you hadn't noticed.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:36 am I'd like to see your squad minus players from both those matches.

I've never advocated for this. I've shown that the first choice 23 in 2011 RWC only retained 5 first choice 23 players from 2007 RWC.

The remainder of the squad will need to retain additional experienced players.

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:55 pm**

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:28 am Anyone know when the first AB squad for 2021 will be named? We play Tonga on July 3rd, which is just three weeks away.

Monday at 7pm

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:20 pm**

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:33 am
Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:25 am
Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:09 am Interested to see if Foster and co go for Tom Robinson. Not sure if they will stick with Frizell.
Frizell has to be there at 6 if fit,like it or not he been best 6 in NZ this year.
He just hasn't kicked on at All Blacks level despite being there for a few years. He always plays well in Super Rugby. He got delt to by the Argies last year and was dropped for Ioane. The AB coaches won't forget that.

If you used that as a reason, probably could say the same about RMo, who I think will be one of first on team sheet. Think we have look at the here and now on how players are going. I think he probably got the most upside at 6 than most.
In backline wouldn't mind seeing a smokey like Nankivell or Tupea trid at 12. Personally think Havili is the best at moment,and have thought and sais so all year, but will need a couple of everyone this year. Perhaps Havili's only weakness is not looking over keen to tackle when someone runs staight down his channel, noticed once or twice over season he seemed to prefer to let them slide past and take them from side. Wasn't enough to really stand out and maybe has been stood up when I saw it, but his defence in general seems pretty good.

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:55 pm**

Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:55 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:28 am Anyone know when the first AB squad for 2021 will be named? We play Tonga on July 3rd, which is just three weeks away.
Monday at 7pm

Thank you

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:16 pm**

If you’re selected for the Maori All Black are you out of running for the main team?

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:19 pm**

AT A GLANCE

Māori All Blacks Squad

Props
Josh Hohneck – Otago, Ngāti Manuhiri / Ngāti Whātua
Pouri Rakete-Stones – Hawke’s Bay, Ngāpuhi
Ollie Norris – Waikato, Ngāpuhi
Marcel Renata – Auckland, Ngāti Whānaunga / Ngāi Takoto
Tamaiti Williams – Canterbury, Ngāpuhi

Hookers
Ash Dixon (kāpene) – Hawke’s Bay, Ngāti Tahinga
Kurt Eklund – Bay of Plenty, Ngāti Kahu

Locks
Manaaki Selby-Rickit – Bay Of Plenty, Ngāti Raukawa / Ngāti Tūwharetoa
Isaia Walker-Leawere – Hawke’s Bay, Ngāti Porou
Pari Pari Parkinson – Tasman, Te Whānau ā Apanui
Josh Dickson – Otago, Ngāi Tahu

Loose forwards
Billy Harmon – Canterbury, Ngāi Tahu
Reed Prinsep – Canterbury, Te Rārawa
Whetukamokamo Douglas – Bay of Plenty Ngāti Porou / Ngāti Whakaue

Halfbacks
Bryn Hall – North Harbour, Ngāti Ranginui
Sam Nock – Northland, Ngāpuhi

First five-eighths
Otere Black – Bay of Plenty, Ngāi Tuhoe/Te Whānau ā Apanui/Ngāti Tūwharetoa
Josh Ioane – Otago, Te Rārawa

Midfield
Billy Proctor – Wellington, Ngai Te Rangi / Ngāpuhi
Quinn Tupaea – Waikato, Waikato
Alex Nankivell – Tasman, Ngāpuhi

Outside backs
Sean Wainui – Bay of Plenty, Ngāi Tuhoe / Ngā Arikikaiputahi / Ngāti Porou
Shaun Stevenson – North Harbour, Ngāpuhi
Jonah Lowe – Hawke’s Bay, Ngāti Pikiao
Kaleb Trask – Bay of Plenty, Ngāpuhi

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:32 pm**

That side will make for a very entertaining watch I reckon.
Manaaki Selby-Rickit – (Bay Of Plenty, Ngāti Raukawa / Ngāti Tūwharetoa). One step away from emulating his old man.

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:35 pm**

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:16 pm If you’re selected for the Maori All Black are you out of running for the main team?

You would assume so, which would mean there would be some players who would be disappointed to be announced in this selection.

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:53 pm**

And MAB need to add to back row ... so maybe if you miss AB some might be MAB eligible.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:01 am**

I agree with others who have said it's a very strong looking MAB's team.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:27 am**

Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:20 pm If you used that as a reason, probably could say the same about RMo, who I think will be one of first on team sheet. Think we have look at the here and now on how players are going. I think he probably got the most upside at 6 than most.

There isn't a valid comparison there. Richie Mo'unga is arguably 1 of the top 10 players in the world. At Super Rugby level there is daylight between him and the rest.

Shannon Frizell isn't any where near that.

Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:20 pm In backline wouldn't mind seeing a smokey like Nankivell or Tupea trid at 12. Personally think Havili is the best at moment,and have thought and sais so all year, but will need a couple of everyone this year. Perhaps Havili's only weakness is not looking over keen to tackle when someone runs staight down his channel, noticed once or twice over season he seemed to prefer to let them slide past and take them from side. Wasn't enough to really stand out and maybe has been stood up when I saw it, but his defence in general seems pretty good.

Havili's defense has been immense this year. All of the 12's have been strong in defense with high defensive work rates. He isn't likely to knock someone back like SBW but he probably won't get a red card in a critical test match either.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:41 am**

The Maori squad is strong and some what surprising.

It would seem Lomax will be selected for the All Blacks despite being part of the weakest scrum in New Zealand rugby this year - unless he is injured. His work around the field and lineouts was nothing to write home about either.

Who would the other options be for the Maori loose forwards?

Akira Ioane
Devan Flanders? Not sure about his ancestry?
Tom Robinson? Assumed he a Paul Tito Maori ginger?

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:17 am**

It's a strong MABs squad for sure. You'd say Pari Pari Parkinson is the only one who was seriously in All Blacks contention? Maybe Quinn Tupaea?

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:20 am**

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:01 am Personally I'd love to see Michael Collins get a run at 13. I think he has the potential to be the White Conrad Smith.

He's signed for Ospreys after this season and is Welsh-qualified via a grandparent.

Expect to see him line up with Anscombe, Halaholo, McNicholl and other Welsh legends at the first opportunity.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:21 am**

Fiji have named their squad to play the All Blacks:

Props: Peni Ravai, Eroni Mawi, Haereiti Hetet, Luke Tagi, Mesake Doge, Leeroy Atalifo

Hookers: Sam Matavesi, Peniami Narisia, Mesulame Dolokoto

Locks: Tevita Ratuva, Temo Mayanavanua, Leone Nakarawa, Albert Tuisue

Loose forwards: Mesulame Kunavula, Kitione Kamikamica, John Dyer, Peceli Yato

Halfbacks: Frank Lomani, Mosese Sorovi, Simione Kuruvoli

First five-eighths: Ben Volavola, Teti Tela

Centres: Levani Botia, Vilimoni Botitu, Waisea Nayacalevu, Eneriko Buliruarua, Onisi Ratave

Wingers: Nemani Nadolo, Vinaya Habosi, Manasa Mataele, Eroni Sau

Fullbacks: Seta Tuicuvu, Kini Murimurivalu

Pleased for Mataele to get a call up and exited to see Nadolo in action again.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:24 am**

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:17 am It's a strong MABs squad for sure. You'd say Pari Pari Parkinson is the only one who was seriously in All Blacks contention? Maybe Quinn Tupaea?

I think both players could have benefited from more game time this year.

With Savea and Cane out, and Bolshier out of favour or moving on, I think Billie Harmon could be under consideration.

He has been one of the Highlanders best players this year and has improved immensely compared to when he played for the Crusaders.

Potentially Du'Plessis Kirifi is favoured though I don't think he played as well this year compared to last year.

Maybe they see Ethan Blackadder and Luke Jacobson as options to cover 7 too.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:42 am**

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:24 am
mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:17 am It's a strong MABs squad for sure. You'd say Pari Pari Parkinson is the only one who was seriously in All Blacks contention? Maybe Quinn Tupaea?
I think both players could have benefited from more game time this year.

With Savea and Cane out, and Bolshier out of favour or moving on, I think Billie Harmon could be under consideration.

He has been one of the Highlanders best players this year and has improved immensely compared to when he played for the Crusaders.

Potentially Du'Plessis Kirifi is favoured though I don't think he played as well this year compared to last year.

Maybe they see Ethan Blackadder and Luke Jacobson as options to cover 7 too.

If Billy Harmon ever wins an All Blacks cap something has gone seriously wrong.

Cane
Savea
Papali'i
Boshier
Kirifi
Hunt

At a minimum should be ahead of him in the pecking order. Probably Christie too if fit. The guy is journeyman incarnate.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:59 am**

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:42 am
Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:24 am
mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:17 am It's a strong MABs squad for sure. You'd say Pari Pari Parkinson is the only one who was seriously in All Blacks contention? Maybe Quinn Tupaea?
I think both players could have benefited from more game time this year.

With Savea and Cane out, and Bolshier out of favour or moving on, I think Billie Harmon could be under consideration.

He has been one of the Highlanders best players this year and has improved immensely compared to when he played for the Crusaders.

Potentially Du'Plessis Kirifi is favoured though I don't think he played as well this year compared to last year.

Maybe they see Ethan Blackadder and Luke Jacobson as options to cover 7 too.
If Billy Harmon ever wins an All Blacks cap something has gone seriously wrong.

Cane
Savea
Papali'i
Boshier
Kirifi
Hunt

At a minimum should be ahead of him in the pecking order. Probably Christie too if fit. The guy is journeyman incarnate.

I agree that he is a journeyman but only 3 players in your list are fit. Bolshier is not favoured and Kirifi is also a journeyman.

Harmon would be a better All Black than Brett Cameron.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:01 am**

I just assumed Pakia Pakia was trolling when he threw Harmon's name out into the thread, like a scoop of rancid fish bait.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:02 am**

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:59 am Harmon would be a better All Black than Brett Cameron.

So he's better than the worst AB of the pro-era.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:21 am**

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:01 am I just assumed Pakia Pakia was trolling when he threw Harmon's name out into the thread, like a scoop of rancid fish bait.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super ... rdie-savea

Finlay Christie has been mentioned in the Herald and Stuff as an All Blacks contender.

So why not Harmon?

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:23 am**

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:42 am
Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:24 am
mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:17 am It's a strong MABs squad for sure. You'd say Pari Pari Parkinson is the only one who was seriously in All Blacks contention? Maybe Quinn Tupaea?
I think both players could have benefited from more game time this year.

With Savea and Cane out, and Bolshier out of favour or moving on, I think Billie Harmon could be under consideration.

He has been one of the Highlanders best players this year and has improved immensely compared to when he played for the Crusaders.

Potentially Du'Plessis Kirifi is favoured though I don't think he played as well this year compared to last year.

Maybe they see Ethan Blackadder and Luke Jacobson as options to cover 7 too.
If Billy Harmon ever wins an All Blacks cap something has gone seriously wrong.

Cane
Savea
Papali'i
Boshier
Kirifi
Hunt

At a minimum should be ahead of him in the pecking order. Probably Christie too if fit. The guy is journeyman incarnate.

Even if Harmon ever wore black, he would still not be the worst ever flanker in the ABs.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:27 am**

Harmon's pretty much as good as Matt Todd ever was now. Sometimes it's ok to have an honest journeyman like Matt Todd in the squad.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:34 am**

Nor sure if Harmon is up to the same standard as Todd and Holah, yet.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:40 am**

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:27 am Harmon's pretty much as good as Matt Todd ever was now.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:04 am**

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:27 am Harmon's pretty much as good as Matt Todd ever was now. Sometimes it's ok to have an honest journeyman like Matt Todd in the squad.

Rancid.

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:06 am**

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:27 am Harmon's pretty much as good as Matt Todd ever was now. Sometimes it's ok to have an honest journeyman like Matt Todd in the squad.

Matt Todd was one of the best loose forwards in the world at the peak of his career.

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