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Enzedder wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:16 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:50 am
I made a comment about jackalling on the AB squad selection thread. The Crusaders have won four SR titles in a row without focusing on jackling. We have the lowest number of turnovers in SR Aotearoa by a margin but are still on top of the table, with the best defense and attack. Richie McCaw won 2 x RWC's when he stopped looking to jackle and made his focus tackling and cleaning. Personally I think jackling is overrated. The Crusaders need to improve their clean out to stop their opposition jackling as much as they are, but I am relaxed about playing without a jackler because we don't have one in our squad. Our most effective jacklers are Goodhue, Havili, Reece and Fainga'anuku.
I totally agree. If you have the loose forwards who can absolutely boss the area around the ruck and always gain the advantage line with the ball, you will do better than a side with just pilferers and scavengers.

But... tight forwards win matches.
That is going to be Chiefs downfall NZer, in the locking dept alone Chiefs locks at beginning of season had about 9 caps between them, so even Sam Whaitelock by haimself has 10 times the caps, and so it goes on. Much as I like the look of Vai'i etc after what would now be about 11 games at this level and him being the senior lock, it doesn't make your confidence get a big lift does it?
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Crusaders: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Leicester Fainga’anuku, David Havili, George Bridge, Richie Mo’unga, Mitchell Drummond, Ethan Blackadder, Tom Sanders, Scott Barrett (c), Quinten Strange, Mitchell Dunshea, Michael Alaalatoa, Brodie McAlister, George Bower.

Reserves: Codie Taylor, Isileli Tu’ungafasi, Oli Jager, Luke Romano, Sione Havili Talitui, Bryn Hall, Dallas McLeod, Manasa Mataele.
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Honestly fancy the chiefs in this one, playing at home against a very wounded Crusaders team.
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Very interesting team, plenty of changes.

Whitelock and Grace both rested (not injured), and Roberston says Ennor's most likely return date is R1 of the Trans-Tasman comp.

With Whitelock rested, Taylor benched, Barrett moved to blindsided, and Moody injured, the Chiefs would have to think that tight five is there for the taking. Strange and Dunshea are very capable, and it's good to see them get a chance, but it's a significantly weaker tight five than usual overall.

The loose forward combo is what many of us suggested throughout the week, albeit with Grace also rested. Havili is simply not up to it, so we'll have to make do with a makeshift 7. Will need to step it up against a ferocious Chiefs breakdown.

The backline essentially as expected. I think he's up to it, but Leicester will have his hands full marking ALB & Tupaea, the form midfield in the comp.

On the bench, it's nice to see Romano and Mataele making their first appearances of the season. I understand Romano sticking around due to his age & loyalty, but surprised Mataele hasn't looked for another team at this point tbh - he's easily good enough to be starting elsewhere, just stuck in a logjam.
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JPNZ wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:20 am Honestly fancy the chiefs in this one, playing at home against a very wounded Crusaders team.
Yes I agree. That tight-five is second string, we're playing without a specialist openside (and blindside, arguably), and we're missing our two best midfielders.

Add to that our recent record in Hamilton is very poor (4 wins 7 losses in the last decade) and the Chiefs good form and it's a coin toss game at best.
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mrbrownstone wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:15 am Crusaders: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Leicester Fainga’anuku, David Havili, George Bridge, Richie Mo’unga, Mitchell Drummond, Ethan Blackadder, Tom Sanders, Scott Barrett (c), Quinten Strange, Mitchell Dunshea, Michael Alaalatoa, Brodie McAlister, George Bower.

Reserves: Codie Taylor, Isileli Tu’ungafasi, Oli Jager, Luke Romano, Sione Havili Talitui, Bryn Hall, Dallas McLeod, Manasa Mataele.
Very interesting team.

Sam Whitelock is being rested, which I don't think anyone will disagree with. I'm glad Mitchell Dunshea is starting. He deserves to be in our starting XV and would be starting alongside Whitelock if the team was being picked solely on form.

Scott Barrett moves to no.6 which is a very interesting move. He played poorly last weekend so he's luck he's still in the XV. I' happy to see Sanders at 7 and was calling for this selection all week. He isn't a classical 7 at all but he will work his arse off. Blackadder at 8 is an interesting selection, but it won't effect how he plays all that much. That's a decent sized starting backrow, although not the most mobile in SR history;

8. Ethan Blackadder 190cm 112kg
7. Tom Sanders 190cm 110kg
6. Scott Barrett 197cm 118kg

The backline is unchanged from the one that played most of last weekend, aside from our usual rotation at 9. Nice to see Manasa Mata'ele back in the team, which has happened due to Goodhue's untimely injury. Just shows that one man's tragedy is another man's opportunity.
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Worth mentioning that this will be Brodie McAlister's first run-on start for the Crusaders, and Isileli Tu’ungafasi's debut Super Rugby match for us as well. I hope they both play well.
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Happier to see Drummond at 9 over Bryn Hall...

don't know what to make of that pack :lol:
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guy smiley wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:31 am Happier to see Drummond at 9 over Bryn Hall...

don't know what to make of that pack :lol:
Roberston wants to inject some enthusiasm and energy!
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:30 am Worth mentioning that this will be Brodie McAlister's first run-on start for the Crusaders, and Isileli Tu’ungafasi's debut Super Rugby match for us as well. I hope they both play well.
Isi has already played 9 Super Rugby matches.
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guy smiley wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:31 am Happier to see Drummond at 9 over Bryn Hall...

don't know what to make of that pack :lol:
Its Drummond's 100th game
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JPNZ wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:48 am
guy smiley wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:31 am Happier to see Drummond at 9 over Bryn Hall...

don't know what to make of that pack :lol:
Its Drummond's 100th game
Good on him :thumbup:

I prefer Hall myself. He has a better head for tv, basically... but I've got a bee in my bonnet about halfbacks these days so I tend to notice screw ups more and he had one that really stood out last week. Standing there at a ruck waving at the ref or someone at the crowd and basically looking everywhere but at the ball and lost possession through sheer inattention. Unforgivable at any level... I'm off him.

I'm also off box kicks. Bigly.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:30 am Worth mentioning that this will be Brodie McAlister's first run-on start for the Crusaders, and Isileli Tu’ungafasi's debut Super Rugby match for us as well. I hope they both play well.
Could have sworn he'd played for us before? A few bench stints, if memory serves.

Either way, at 26 he should be coming into his own as a prop. Here's hoping he can kick on. Would be happy if he turns out half as good as his brother.
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deverix wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:47 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:30 am Worth mentioning that this will be Brodie McAlister's first run-on start for the Crusaders, and Isileli Tu’ungafasi's debut Super Rugby match for us as well. I hope they both play well.
Isi has already played 9 Super Rugby matches.
I stand corrected.
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Pleased to see Whitelock and Taylor getting breathers, think they will be expecting big games from these 2 next week. Both are the type of players that just keep on going all game, and don't know how to coast through games.
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Chiefs: Chase Tiatia, Jonah Lowe, Anton Lienert-Brown, Alex Nankivell, Etene Nanai-Seturo, Damian McKenzie, Brad Weber (c), Luke Jacobson, Lachlan Boshier, Mitchell Brown, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Tupou Vaa’i, Angus Ta’avao, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Aidan Ross.

Reserves: Nathan Harris, Ollie Norris, Sione Mafileo, Pita Gus Sowakula, Kaylum Boshier, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Bryn Gatland, Sean Wainui.
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Well, well. Pretty obvious what the big talking point will be. It's a big call for a big game.

I don't like DMac at 10 generally, but Gatland is a journeyman and the Cheifs look better with both DMac and Tiatia on the park so I understand the call.

Elsewhere Boshier, Harris, and Mafileo returning boosts their forward stocks, as does Wainui.

Tupaea will be a big loss after playing really well, but Nankivell is a capable replacement.

Looks like two evenly matched teams.
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I'll be watching this game with my Chiefs' supporting mate at his house under the shadow of the Kaimai's.

Nankivell is our cult hero project player. I hope he goes well. Just not too well.
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Going to the game with my mate who is the biggest Sadists (spit) fan going. But we enjoy a good meal before and a beer afterwards and the result is never used to fuel banter - the way it should be.

We're gunna get bum-fucked I reckon.
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Enzedder wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:39 am Going to the game with my mate who is the biggest Sadists (spit) fan going. But we enjoy a good meal before and a beer afterwards and the result is never used to fuel banter - the way it should be.

Far too much rust in our team. We're gunna get bum-fucked I reckon.
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Enzedder wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:39 am Going to the game with my mate who is the biggest Sadists (spit) fan going. But we enjoy a good meal before and a beer afterwards and the result is never used to fuel banter - the way it should be.

We're gunna get bum-fucked I reckon.
As it should be, you and GS watching game with mates who support other team. Proper rugby people!
Was watching Lachlan Boshier last Saturday, he played lock for NPOB, looked ok, no sign of injury or anything.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:26 am
8. Ethan Blackadder 190cm 112kg
7. Tom Sanders 190cm 110kg
6. Scott Barrett 197cm 118kg
As a Chiefs fan I like that loosie trio. The Crusaders best 6 at 8, an average 6 at 7, and a good lock but average 6 on the blindside.

Balanced out by the fact that the Chiefs have selected that penalty magnet Brown again this week - but maybe him and Barrett will just balance each other out - utu.
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UncleFB wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:49 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:26 am
8. Ethan Blackadder 190cm 112kg
7. Tom Sanders 190cm 110kg
6. Scott Barrett 197cm 118kg
As a Chiefs fan I like that loosie trio. The Crusaders best 6 at 8, an average 6 at 7, and a good lock but average 6 on the blindside.

Balanced out by the fact that the Chiefs have selected that penalty magnet Brown again this week - but maybe him and Barrett will just balance each other out - utu.
:lol: :lol:
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After being beasted by Savea last week, I'm worried about what Boshier - arguably the best turnover merchant in the country - will do to a makeshift loose trio this week.
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The Saders need to do their national duty and expose the folly of playing DMac at 10.

Like Jordie at 10 and Barrett, S at 6, you can probably get away with it at this level though.
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jdogscoop wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:19 am The Saders need to do their national duty and expose the folly of playing DMac at 10.

Like Jordie at 10 and Barrett, S at 6, you can probably get away with it at this level though.
Odd you don't mention that the Chiefs should do their national duty and expose the folly of playing Barrett at 6 as well.

DMac has essentially been playing 10 for half a match recently, and playing well - you better hope Fozzie isn't paying to close attention. Anyway, I thought your hearted all small Polynesian 10s (or is that PI Pollies only). ;)
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UncleFB wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:49 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:26 am
8. Ethan Blackadder 190cm 112kg
7. Tom Sanders 190cm 110kg
6. Scott Barrett 197cm 118kg
As a Chiefs fan I like that loosie trio. The Crusaders best 6 at 8, an average 6 at 7, and a good lock but average 6 on the blindside.

Balanced out by the fact that the Chiefs have selected that penalty magnet Brown again this week - but maybe him and Barrett will just balance each other out - utu.
That is a bitch of a job they've asked Sanders to do. He's big strong and accurate but pace across the field to the breakdown isn't him.
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Flockwitt wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:59 am
UncleFB wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:49 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:26 am
8. Ethan Blackadder 190cm 112kg
7. Tom Sanders 190cm 110kg
6. Scott Barrett 197cm 118kg
As a Chiefs fan I like that loosie trio. The Crusaders best 6 at 8, an average 6 at 7, and a good lock but average 6 on the blindside.

Balanced out by the fact that the Chiefs have selected that penalty magnet Brown again this week - but maybe him and Barrett will just balance each other out - utu.
That is a bitch of a job they've asked Sanders to do. He's big strong and accurate but pace across the field to the breakdown isn't him.
Our first choice 7 is injured for the season. And our 2nd choice has struggled to make an impact. We aren't the Blues, we don't have the luxury of having hordes of test capped All Black loose forwards running around playing club rugby waiting for a SR call-up. We are a small, relatively poor franchise that must make do with what it has.
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You could have squeezed a humble in there.
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UncleFB wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:25 am
jdogscoop wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:19 am The Saders need to do their national duty and expose the folly of playing DMac at 10.

Like Jordie at 10 and Barrett, S at 6, you can probably get away with it at this level though.
Odd you don't mention that the Chiefs should do their national duty and expose the folly of playing Barrett at 6 as well.

DMac has essentially been playing 10 for half a match recently, and playing well - you better hope Fozzie isn't paying to close attention. Anyway, I thought your hearted all small Polynesian 10s (or is that PI Pollies only). ;)
I assume the Rugby World Cup 2019 semi final has already done that.

Shirley even Fozzie isn't that thick.
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Webber admitting the Chiefs with the encouragement of Rennie looked forward to bringing a bit of thuggery to the table when playing the Saders and he is trying instil that kind of game into the young Chiefs when up against the Saders this evening. He’s all class is Webber. That little outburst will be up on the dressing room wall I reckon. Thanks mate.
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trapper wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:52 am Webber admitting the Chiefs with the encouragement of Rennie looked forward to bringing a bit of thuggery to the table when playing the Saders and he is trying instil that kind of game into the young Chiefs when up against the Saders this evening. He’s all class is Webber. That little outburst will be up on the dressing room wall I reckon. Thanks mate.
Was clear for all to see.

Rennie's Chiefs were an excellent team, but f*ck were they a dirty one.
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Expect the Chiefs to be really up for this tonight.

They will know they have the wood on the Crusaders at home, with a 7-4 success rate over the last decade. They will also know a win can catapult them into second, putting them odds on for a final berth with a home clash against the lowly Hurricanes to come next week.

I hope I'm wrong, but not sure the Crusaders' second-string tight five and makeshift loose trio will handle the intensity I expect the Cheifs pack to bring. We simply don't have the forward riches of teams like the Blues and Hurricanes, who can afford to leave All Blacks like Dillon Hunt and Vaea Fifita swanning around in club rugby.
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mrbrownstone wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:39 am Expect the Chiefs to be really up for this tonight.

They will know they have the wood on the Crusaders at home, with a 7-4 success rate over the last decade. They will also know a win can catapult them into second, putting them odds on for a final berth with a home clash against the lowly Hurricanes to come next week.

I hope I'm wrong, but not sure the Crusaders' second-string tight five and makeshift loose trio will handle the intensity I expect the Cheifs pack to bring. We simply don't have the forward riches of teams like the Blues and Hurricanes, who can afford to leave All Blacks like Dillon Hunt and Vaea Fifita swanning around in club rugby.
It's going to be a cracker of a match, I'm so pumped for tonight.
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Enzedder wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:39 am Going to the game with my mate who is the biggest Sadists (spit) fan going. But we enjoy a good meal before and a beer afterwards and the result is never used to fuel banter - the way it should be.

We're gunna get bum-fucked I reckon.
Wow you really plan out your evenings, not sure you need to share everything with the board though
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mrbrownstone wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:39 am Expect the Chiefs to be really up for this tonight.

They will know they have the wood on the Crusaders at home, with a 7-4 success rate over the last decade. They will also know a win can catapult them into second, putting them odds on for a final berth with a home clash against the lowly Hurricanes to come next week.

I hope I'm wrong, but not sure the Crusaders' second-string tight five and makeshift loose trio will handle the intensity I expect the Cheifs pack to bring. We simply don't have the forward riches of teams like the Blues and Hurricanes, who can afford to leave All Blacks like Dillon Hunt and Vaea Fifita swanning around in club rugby.
I expect our 2nd stringers to stand up and make a statement and I reckon they will. I'm also expecting the Saders to win. I know AC reckons the Chiefs are the form team because they have won a few on the trot but I am not convinced. Saders by 9
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trapper wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:22 am
mrbrownstone wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:39 am Expect the Chiefs to be really up for this tonight.

They will know they have the wood on the Crusaders at home, with a 7-4 success rate over the last decade. They will also know a win can catapult them into second, putting them odds on for a final berth with a home clash against the lowly Hurricanes to come next week.

I hope I'm wrong, but not sure the Crusaders' second-string tight five and makeshift loose trio will handle the intensity I expect the Cheifs pack to bring. We simply don't have the forward riches of teams like the Blues and Hurricanes, who can afford to leave All Blacks like Dillon Hunt and Vaea Fifita swanning around in club rugby.
I expect our 2nd stringers to stand up and make a statement and I reckon they will. I'm also expecting the Saders to win. I know AC reckons the Chiefs are the form team because they have won a few on the trot but I am not convinced. Saders by 9
That's AC's MO - believe what he says at your peril.

I agree re the result.
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Boshier and Jacobson are breakdown-studs. They will win turnovers and turnover penalties for fun. Whenever they feel like it. Last week the Crusaders allowed Ardie Savea to look like Hienrich Brussow in his pomp, circa 2009. So how are we going to handle the dual threat of Boshier and Jacobson? I'll be surprised if we can retain the ball for a single ruck. If we can't score directly off set piece we basically have no chance because we won't be able to retain possession tonight.
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I'm with AC on the loosies' battle -- as much as I like Sanders and Blackadder, I can't see them making much impact against Boshier and Jacobsen so the pressure goes on the tight five to carry the ball up hard enough to negate the Chiefs' loosies.
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Kiwias wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:18 am I'm with AC on the loosies' battle -- as much as I like Sanders and Blackadder, I can't see them making much impact against Boshier and Jacobsen so the pressure goes on the tight five to carry the ball up hard enough to negate the Chiefs' loosies.
You can't see the form loose forward of the comp, the one that AC has been pumping harder then Tony Johnson pumps all things Crusaders and Tasman, making an impact against a guy who hasn't started a match this year? :shock:
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