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Teams named tomorrow. Crusaders: Named on Thursday, 1.45pm, Chiefs: Named on Thursday, 4.30pm

NZ TAB Crusaders $1.24 Chiefs $3.70, Crusaders 9.5 point spread. Way too much for a final IMO
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They could have given those odds at the start of the season though. AC is trying to talk up a match but it will be a rout - and he knows it.
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Enzedder wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:56 pm They could have given those odds at the start of the season though. AC is trying to talk up a match but it will be a rout - and he knows it.
Who will be routed? The Chiefs or the Crusaders? The Crusaders are the reigning champions and are at home. But the Chiefs were the form team of the regular season.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:19 pm
Enzedder wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:56 pm They could have given those odds at the start of the season though. AC is trying to talk up a match but it will be a rout - and he knows it.
Who will be routed? The Chiefs or the Crusaders? The Crusaders are the reigning champions and are at home. But the Chiefs were the form team of the regular season.
Chiefs were not the form team of the regular season. That honour goes to the table topping Saders - they won more games.
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:40 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:19 pm
Enzedder wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:56 pm They could have given those odds at the start of the season though. AC is trying to talk up a match but it will be a rout - and he knows it.
Who will be routed? The Chiefs or the Crusaders? The Crusaders are the reigning champions and are at home. But the Chiefs were the form team of the regular season.
Chiefs were not the form team of the regular season. That honour goes to the table topping Saders - they won more games.
The Saders started off very well, but stumbled badly after round four and looked poor after that.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:43 pm
kiwigreg369 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:40 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:19 pm
Enzedder wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:56 pm They could have given those odds at the start of the season though. AC is trying to talk up a match but it will be a rout - and he knows it.
Who will be routed? The Chiefs or the Crusaders? The Crusaders are the reigning champions and are at home. But the Chiefs were the form team of the regular season.
Chiefs were not the form team of the regular season. That honour goes to the table topping Saders - they won more games.
The Saders started off very well, but stumbled badly after round four and looked poor after that.
I agree - especially where compared to prior Saders teams and levels of performance.
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:17 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:43 pm
kiwigreg369 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:40 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:19 pm
Enzedder wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:56 pm They could have given those odds at the start of the season though. AC is trying to talk up a match but it will be a rout - and he knows it.
Who will be routed? The Chiefs or the Crusaders? The Crusaders are the reigning champions and are at home. But the Chiefs were the form team of the regular season.
Chiefs were not the form team of the regular season. That honour goes to the table topping Saders - they won more games.
The Saders started off very well, but stumbled badly after round four and looked poor after that.
I agree - especially where compared to prior Saders teams and levels of performance.
I just hope we don't disgrace the Crusaders legacy and avoid being white-washed by the rampant Chiefs.
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Big and scary those Chiefs ...
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:19 pm

Who will be routed? The Chiefs or the Crusaders? The Crusaders are the reigning champions and are at home. But the Chiefs were the form team of the regular season.
You say this so often its a bit disturbing
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Kiwias wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 1:39 am
kiwigreg369 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:17 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:43 pm
kiwigreg369 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:40 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 9:19 pm

Who will be routed? The Chiefs or the Crusaders? The Crusaders are the reigning champions and are at home. But the Chiefs were the form team of the regular season.
Chiefs were not the form team of the regular season. That honour goes to the table topping Saders - they won more games.
The Saders started off very well, but stumbled badly after round four and looked poor after that.
I agree - especially where compared to prior Saders teams and levels of performance.
I just hope we don't disgrace the Crusaders legacy and avoid being white-washed by the rampant Chiefs.
The only white washing that happens at the Saders is recruitment/development..... get on message.
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 6:16 am The only white washing that happens at the Saders is recruitment/development..... get on message.
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The team I'd like to see selected tomorrow for the Crusaders;

15. Will Jordan
14. Sevu Reece
13. Brayden Ennor
12. David Havili
11. George Bridge
10. Richie Mo'unga
9. Bryn Hall

8. Cullen Grace
7. Tom Sanders
6. Ethan Blackadder
5. Sam Whitelock
4. Scott Barrett
3. Mike Ala'alatoa
2. Codie Taylor
1. George Bower

16. Brodie McAlister
17. Oli Jager
18. Tamaiti Williams
19. Mitchell Dunshea
20. Sione Havili
21. Mitch Drummond
22. Dallas McLeod
23. Leicester Fainga'anuku
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Ali's Choice wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:08 am The team I'd like to see selected tomorrow for the Crusaders;

15. Will Jordan
14. Sevu Reece
13. Brayden Ennor
12. David Havili
11. George Bridge
10. Richie Mo'unga
9. Bryn Hall

8. Cullen Grace
7. Tom Sanders
6. Ethan Blackadder
5. Sam Whitelock
4. Scott Barrett
3. Mike Ala'alatoa
2. Codie Taylor
1. George Bower

16. Brodie McAlister
17. Oli Jager
18. Tamaiti Williams
19. Mitchell Dunshea
20. Sione Havili
21. Mitch Drummond
22. Dallas McLeod
23. Leicester Fainga'anuku
My only query regards Ennor and whether it is not too soon to drop him into the starting slot. If he is selected, he will make a fool of my by scoring a brace and setting up the wings for a couple as well.
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My thinking on Ennor is this; if it was Richie McCaw or Sam Whitelock they would come straight back into the team without any club minutes. McCaw did this many times in his career after injury layoffs.

Ennor has been training at full capacity for weeks. He's also participated in two club games and done everything asked of him. IMO, he's too classy not to include in the XXIII, and given his injury risk he's better off starting. That way if he breaks down he can be replaced. If he comes off the bench we risk him breaking down and finishing the match with one player down or with someone out of position.
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Kiwias wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:10 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:08 am The team I'd like to see selected tomorrow for the Crusaders;
My only query regards Ennor and whether it is not too soon to drop him into the starting slot. If he is selected, he will make a fool of my by scoring a brace and setting up the wings for a couple as well.
Ennor's good...

but good enough to select for a Final against the best midfield in the comp after a year out apart from a couple of dashes in club rugby?

Madness. Faingaanuku has done enough there to deserve his chance AND Havili has at least had a couple of games with him in there... I mean sure, play Ennor. Let Havili the midfield rookie and stop gap contend with a fresh player he hasn't combined with in a big game.

FML.
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guy smiley wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:18 am
Kiwias wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:10 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:08 am The team I'd like to see selected tomorrow for the Crusaders;
My only query regards Ennor and whether it is not too soon to drop him into the starting slot. If he is selected, he will make a fool of my by scoring a brace and setting up the wings for a couple as well.
Ennor's good...

but good enough to select for a Final against the best midfield in the comp after a year out apart from a couple of dashes in club rugby?

Madness. Faingaanuku has done enough there to deserve his chance AND Havili has at least had a couple of games with him in there... I mean sure, play Ennor. Let Havili the midfield rookie and stop gap contend with a fresh player he hasn't combined with in a big game.

FML.
Really? Don’t see it myself.
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trapper wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:40 am
guy smiley wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:18 am
Kiwias wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:10 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:08 am The team I'd like to see selected tomorrow for the Crusaders;
My only query regards Ennor and whether it is not too soon to drop him into the starting slot. If he is selected, he will make a fool of my by scoring a brace and setting up the wings for a couple as well.
Ennor's good...

but good enough to select for a Final against the best midfield in the comp after a year out apart from a couple of dashes in club rugby?

Madness. Faingaanuku has done enough there to deserve his chance AND Havili has at least had a couple of games with him in there... I mean sure, play Ennor. Let Havili the midfield rookie and stop gap contend with a fresh player he hasn't combined with in a big game.

FML.
Really? Don’t see it myself.
Nor me - and I was looking.

Really good looking team - I think Bryn Hall deserves an All Black squad place and opportunity.
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trapper wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:40 am
guy smiley wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:18 am
Kiwias wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:10 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:08 am The team I'd like to see selected tomorrow for the Crusaders;
My only query regards Ennor and whether it is not too soon to drop him into the starting slot. If he is selected, he will make a fool of my by scoring a brace and setting up the wings for a couple as well.
Ennor's good...

but good enough to select for a Final against the best midfield in the comp after a year out apart from a couple of dashes in club rugby?

Madness. Faingaanuku has done enough there to deserve his chance AND Havili has at least had a couple of games with him in there... I mean sure, play Ennor. Let Havili the midfield rookie and stop gap contend with a fresh player he hasn't combined with in a big game.

FML.
Really? Don’t see it myself.
Guy's got a touch of the AC's, trying to hyperbolically play down the strengths of easily the best team in the comp.
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trapper wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:40 am
guy smiley wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:18 am
Ennor's good...

but good enough to select for a Final against the best midfield in the comp after a year out apart from a couple of dashes in club rugby?

Madness. Faingaanuku has done enough there to deserve his chance AND Havili has at least had a couple of games with him in there... I mean sure, play Ennor. Let Havili the midfield rookie and stop gap contend with a fresh player he hasn't combined with in a big game.

FML.
Really? Don’t see it myself.
Isin't Tupaea out as well? So ALB/Nankivell or Wainui?
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guy smiley wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:18 am
Kiwias wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:10 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:08 am The team I'd like to see selected tomorrow for the Crusaders;
My only query regards Ennor and whether it is not too soon to drop him into the starting slot. If he is selected, he will make a fool of my by scoring a brace and setting up the wings for a couple as well.
Ennor's good...

but good enough to select for a Final against the best midfield in the comp after a year out apart from a couple of dashes in club rugby?

Madness. Faingaanuku has done enough there to deserve his chance AND Havili has at least had a couple of games with him in there... I mean sure, play Ennor. Let Havili the midfield rookie and stop gap contend with a fresh player he hasn't combined with in a big game.

FML.
Tupaea is out injured - play Ennor, or even Mauger, you'll still shit in
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guy smiley wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:18 am Ennor's good...

but good enough to select for a Final against the best midfield in the comp after a year out apart from a couple of dashes in club rugby?

Madness. Faingaanuku has done enough there to deserve his chance AND Havili has at least had a couple of games with him in there... I mean sure, play Ennor. Let Havili the midfield rookie and stop gap contend with a fresh player he hasn't combined with in a big game.

FML.
I wouldn't be too fussed if Robertson didn't pick Ennor. I just think that Brayden has done enough to warrant selection, and given he is still a slight injury risk it would be smarter to start him than play him off the bench. SR Aotearoa is a short, 8 game season (9 if you include this week's final) and given this fact I think too games of club Rugby is enough to get a player back up to speed. In comparison, he's played more Rugby than Richie Mo'unga did prior to our round match in this comp.
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I wouldn't complain if Ennor does start, but I also think it would be harsh on Faiinga'anuku, who has arguably been the find of the tournament.

Personally, I expect Razor will do the same as when Bridge returned from injury and "ease" (if there's such a thing in a final) him back in off the bench.

Great conundrum to have after our midfield troubles this year.
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JPNZ wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 8:48 pm
trapper wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:40 am
guy smiley wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:18 am
Ennor's good...

but good enough to select for a Final against the best midfield in the comp after a year out apart from a couple of dashes in club rugby?

Really? Don’t see it myself.
Isin't Tupaea out as well? So ALB/Nankivell or Wainui?
I was thinking Tupaea was playing... he and ALB are the most threatening midfield combo in the comp. No-one else comes close. Without Tupaea, ALB is still the best midfielder playing and will present a massive threat and a boost to whoever lines up beside him. I'm guessing they'd go with Nankivell to start and Wainui on the bench.

More than a challenge for the Saders.
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The reigning champions have named their side for the Super Rugby Aotearoa Final this Saturday:

15. Will Jordan
14. Sevu Reece
13. Leicester Fainga’anuku
12. David Havili
11. George Bridge
10. Richie Mo’unga
9. Mitchell Drummond

8. Cullen Grace
7. Sione Havili Talitui
6. Ethan Blackadder
5. Sam Whitelock
4. Scott Barrett
3. Michael Alaalatoa
2. Codie Taylor
1. George Bower.

Reserves:

16. Brodie McAlsiter
17. Tamati Williams
18. Oli Jager
19. Mitch Dunshea
20. Tom Sanders
21. Bryn Hall
22. Dallas McLeod
23. Braydon Ennor
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Interesting Havili Talitui to start and Ennor on the bench. Rewarding close to the same starting lineup as against the Blues.
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No surprises in that team at all. Should be good enough to get the job done though.
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Good to see Ennor on the bench.
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Yup... that looks to be just about the strongest team the 'Saders could name, happy with that.
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Nothing too surprising there. I would have preferred Sanders starting over Havili, but so be it.

Interesting that McLeod and Ennor have both been named on the bench. Ostensibly, two midfielders. Does that suggest Ennor may come back on the wing, where he has had plenty of past success?

I suppose there is always the option to move Fainga'anuku to the wing or shuffle Havili to fullback etc.
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I too would have preferred Sanders over Havili Talitui but at least he is on the bench so will play a part. Ennor on the bench makes sense.

It looks like a strong team, only two days now!!
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That is a strong team overall. Without provoking the mocker gods, we are favourites going into this game and rightly so. Our finals record at home dictates that.

At the same time, this is the least confident I have been since the 2017 final against the Lions. In 2018 and 2019, the Lions and Jaguares were never going to come to Christchurch and win. I might have given them a 2% chance going into those games if I was being generous, and the scorelines reflected that with neither game being particularly close.

Going into this one, the Chiefs are absolutely a chance. I'm expecting the game to be in the balance heading into the last 10 minutes.

This Crusaders team has far more exploitable weaknesses than the 2017-20 vintage. At times we've had to rely more on backline brilliance than sustained forward dominance, which is risky. I feel like a few cracks have been papered over.

If our breakdown misfires again - and it's every chance against two of the best pilferers in NZ in Boshier and Jacobson - we will struggle.

I am also worried about the scrum battle. The Chiefs scrum has been statistically the best in the competition, and ours hasn't been quite as dominant this year, especially without Moody.

If we can't win the scrum and breakdown battle, it will be very hard to lay the platform needed to win a final.
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Didn't someone say that Boshier was not available?
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Can't see anything but a Crusaders win, they got about 10 ABs in the 23, not sure how many Chiefs will be able to put up against them.

We won't ask how they can keep them all under salary cap though. Suppose it helps to have an ex player as CEO of NZR. :twisted: :lol: :P
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Kiwias wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:02 am Didn't someone say that Boshier was not available?
Kaylum Boshier is out for the season, Lachlan is avaliable afaik
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JPNZ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:32 am
Kiwias wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:02 am Didn't someone say that Boshier was not available?
Kaylum Boshier is out for the season, Lachlan is avaliable afaik
Wrong Boshier. :blush: :blush:
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Good team / good squad.
Hope they have an off day in the finals - statistically due one I think.
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