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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56899765
The French government has condemned an open letter signed by active soldiers that said the country was heading for "civil war" due to religious extremism.

About 1,000 servicemen and women, including some 20 retired generals, put their names to the letter.

It blamed "fanatic partisans" for creating divisions between communities, and said Islamists were taking over whole parts of the nation's territory.

Ministers have condemned the message published in a right-wing magazine.

The letter was first published on 21 April - the 60th anniversary of a failed coup d'état.

"The hour is grave, France is in peril," the signatories said.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... ar-warning
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https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/fre ... 57nou.html
Paris: The head of France’s armed forces has pledged to punish 20 French generals and 18 French active soldiers, including officers, who signed an open letter warning of the risks of impending “civil war” at the hands of “fanatics” and Islamists, saying they have breached their “duty of reserve"
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Dont go there. Shitty place.
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The French seem to shrug a lot, and then completely overreact.
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La soule wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:48 am Dont go there. Shitty place.
Care to offer us some insight into this and what is happening? Albeit from the Left side of the argument.
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La soule wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:48 am Dont go there. Shitty place.
I always thought parts of France were really nice.
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DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:45 am https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/fre ... 57nou.html
Paris: The head of France’s armed forces has pledged to punish 20 French generals and 18 French active soldiers, including officers, who signed an open letter warning of the risks of impending “civil war” at the hands of “fanatics” and Islamists, saying they have breached their “duty of reserve"
20 french generals plus 18 active soldiers should be enough to stop the next Charlie hebdo happening. :thumbup:
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This will only encourage white supremacists. They will feel legitimised.
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DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:52 am
La soule wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:48 am Dont go there. Shitty place.
Care to offer us some insight into this and what is happening? Albeit from the Left side of the argument.
As you read, those guys cosigned a letter warning about social unrest and civil war, between all the Jean Duponts and Mohammed ben Alis living in France and got it published in a right wing magazine.

Army is supposed to stay neutral on all political topics and there is therefore a bit of a fuss about it.

Marine though it would be a great idea to join in but may have made a political miscalculation as a consequence.
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backrow wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:55 am
DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:45 am https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/fre ... 57nou.html
Paris: The head of France’s armed forces has pledged to punish 20 French generals and 18 French active soldiers, including officers, who signed an open letter warning of the risks of impending “civil war” at the hands of “fanatics” and Islamists, saying they have breached their “duty of reserve"
20 french generals plus 18 active soldiers should be enough to stop the next Charlie hebdo happening. :thumbup:
About 1,000 servicemen and women
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:58 am This will only encourage white supremacists. They will feel legitimised.
If people (rightly or wrongly) feel like their culture is under "attack" does that automatically make them a "white supremacist"
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DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:02 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:58 am This will only encourage white supremacists. They will feel legitimised.
If people (rightly or wrongly) feel like their culture is under "attack" does that automatically make them a "white supremacist"
Are you asking for a friend?
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:08 am
DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:02 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:58 am This will only encourage white supremacists. They will feel legitimised.
If people (rightly or wrongly) feel like their culture is under "attack" does that automatically make them a "white supremacist"
Are you asking for a friend?
I'm just remarking on your all too predictable twitteresque "white supremacist" comment.
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DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:01 am
backrow wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:55 am
DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:45 am https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/fre ... 57nou.html
Paris: The head of France’s armed forces has pledged to punish 20 French generals and 18 French active soldiers, including officers, who signed an open letter warning of the risks of impending “civil war” at the hands of “fanatics” and Islamists, saying they have breached their “duty of reserve"
20 french generals plus 18 active soldiers should be enough to stop the next Charlie hebdo happening. :thumbup:
About 1,000 servicemen and women
Yay, should deffo be able to chalk that one up in the french military victories column , won’t even need a Narwahl then or a milk crate like the Aussie guy in Sydney used
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DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:11 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:08 am
DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:02 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:58 am This will only encourage white supremacists. They will feel legitimised.
If people (rightly or wrongly) feel like their culture is under "attack" does that automatically make them a "white supremacist"
Are you asking for a friend?
I'm just remarking on your all too predictable twitteresque "white supremacist" comment.
Do you not think that those who actually are 'white supremacists' will be emboldened by such an incident ?
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Military types showing their far-right leanings shocker.... :yawn:
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ovalball wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:20 am
DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:11 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:08 am
DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:02 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:58 am This will only encourage white supremacists. They will feel legitimised.
If people (rightly or wrongly) feel like their culture is under "attack" does that automatically make them a "white supremacist"
Are you asking for a friend?
I'm just remarking on your all too predictable twitteresque "white supremacist" comment.
Do you not think that those who actually are 'white supremacists' will be emboldened by such an incident ?
MB, I suggest, is painting large swathes of the population as "white supremacists" when they are nothing of the kind.

As for actual WPs, their number is tiny, miniscule and are mainly a bogeyman created by organisations like CNN, etc.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:58 am This will only encourage white supremacists. They will feel legitimised.
I agree. On the other hand the tolerance of intolerance of certain behaviours due to not offending some Muslims in certain bits of the left wing is irritating.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:58 am This will only encourage white supremacists. They will feel legitimised.
Will it?

Will it really?
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:58 am This will only encourage white supremacists. They will feel legitimised.
Its certainly given Mick a chubby
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Some of the French Armed Forces, who should remain neutral or at least unpoliticised, feel the need to say something, which in itself is rather startling and the response from people is "white supremacists"

Which kind of proves their point described in their letter.
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DAC_ wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:50 am Some of the French Armed Forces, who should remain neutral or at least unpoliticised, feel the need to say something, which in itself is rather startling and the response from people is "white supremacists"

Which kind of proves their point described in their letter.
Most people are fine. I do not think I ever met any white supremacists apart from some freakish Germans in the Dominican Republic.
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How does that "prove" anything?
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AND-y wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:54 am How does that "prove" anything?
I suggest reading the letter.
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Just more alpha snowflake whinging. Nothing to see here.
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clementinfrance wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:31 am Military types showing their far-right leanings shocker.... :yawn:
if at least they had a bit of style, used to be that far right rants in France had excellent litteray qualities, I read the VA one and honnestly could not belive this was written by adults...

best take on it IMO was from a Figaro journo who said "L'appel des généraux dans Valeurs Actuelles, c'est la version de droite des tribunes de Juliette Binoche."
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From what I read, and unless I misunderstood it, these retired generals do not have an issue with non-white people, and do not appear to be white supremacists.
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This thread :uhoh:
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on a side note, politicians are making a huge fuss about this, but they had it coming. For years the army has been one of the last institutions in which most of french people have kept their trust.Left wing and right wing governments keep on trying to benefit from this relatively good image by asking the army to do plenty of stuff they should not, like police operations such as "vigipirate", or nonsense about teaching banlieu kids "les valeurs de la république" in a revamped military service, all this while fighting an endless war in the Sahel...

well at some point, while most military types i know would actually rather just do their job, it's no wonder some elements in the army start to think they might/could have a political role...
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AND-y wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:55 am Just more alpha snowflake whinging. Nothing to see here.
"I see white supremacists"

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panamax wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:04 pm on a side note, politicians are making a huge fuss about this, but they had it coming. For years the army has been one of the last institutions in which most of french people have kept their trust.Left wing and right wing governments keep on trying to benefit from this relatively good image by asking the army to do plenty of stuff they should not, like police operations such as "vigipirate", or nonsense about teaching banlieu kids "les valeurs de la république" in a revamped military service, all this while fighting an endless war in the Sahel...

well at some point, while most military types i know would actually rather just do their job, it's no wonder some elements in the army start to think they might/could have a political role...
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Having trust in the french army ?
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Yeeb, this is about the thousand times you serve that one.

People are going to start to think you are a bit thick if you dont pay attention.
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clementinfrance wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:31 am Military types showing their far-right leanings shocker.... :yawn:
Or more old people struggling with the modern world. The problem with european demographics is that this loud and increasingly senile demographic are a bigger part of the electorate.
Lecointre denied there was any far-right radicalisation in the army.

“For the most part, these are people who left the army 20 or 30 years ago,” he said. “If these people want to express themselves, let them do so in their own name without putting to the fore their status as former soldiers or their rank.”
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Petej wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:51 pm
clementinfrance wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:31 am Military types showing their far-right leanings shocker.... :yawn:
Or more old people struggling with the modern world. The problem with european demographics is that this loud and increasingly senile demographic are a bigger part of the electorate.
Lecointre denied there was any far-right radicalisation in the army.

“For the most part, these are people who left the army 20 or 30 years ago,” he said. “If these people want to express themselves, let them do so in their own name without putting to the fore their status as former soldiers or their rank.”
They picked the date of the failed coup against De Gaule on the question of Algeria's independence.

I suspect they are a bit dodgy.
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The problem with european demographics is that this loud and increasingly senile demographic are a bigger part of the electorate.
They will be replaced, soon enough. Then you can rejoice.
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backrow wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:43 pm Having trust in the french army ?
:o
The UK military wouldn't fare too well against the French :lol:

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countri ... ry2=france
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goose81 wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:01 pm
backrow wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:43 pm Having trust in the french army ?
:o
The UK military wouldn't fare too well against the French :lol:

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countri ... ry2=france
The UK army has been cut by an 8th in the last 10 years
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La soule wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:47 pm Yeeb, this is about the thousand times you serve that one.

People are going to start to think you are a bit thick if you dont pay attention.
It’s true, once I get going, I never give up.

Unlike you lot :o
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goose81 wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:01 pm
backrow wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:43 pm Having trust in the french army ?
:o
The UK military wouldn't fare too well against the French :lol:

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countri ... ry2=france


This has been said many times in history...
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