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bimboman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:05 pm Mungo, if you were really going to pay attention you would tell us about Danish deaths post them dropping most measures.
I believe that MM lives in a State that is refusing to follow the "national plan" and are pushing for ever higher vaccination rates. He will be quite happy to leave Australians stranded abroad, and to continuing to die, so long as he has the illusion of safety.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:22 pm
bimboman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:05 pm Mungo, if you were really going to pay attention you would tell us about Danish deaths post them dropping most measures.
I believe that MM lives in a State that is refusing to follow the "national plan" and are pushing for ever higher vaccination rates. He will be quite happy to leave Australians stranded abroad, and to continuing to die, so long as he has the illusion of safety.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:48 am
UncleFB wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:34 am
jambanja wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?
The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.
And you'll see us criticising the length of our lockdown. :lol:

You chaps just get overly sensitive when criticism comes your way.
Refuting woefully uninformed criticism is not being overly sensitive.
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I see the Melbourne Premier shut down construction as revenge against construction workers. Seems like end of days stuff down there, the city with the longest lockdown in the world and violence on the streets. Hard and early doesn’t seem to have worked as well as some posters claimed.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:18 pm I see the Melbourne Premier shut down construction as revenge against construction workers. Seems like end of days stuff down there, the city with the longest lockdown in the world and violence on the streets. Hard and early doesn’t seem to have worked as well as some posters claimed.
Apparently them and that 74 year old lady are hard right anarchists etc etc,
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:18 pm I see the Melbourne Premier shut down construction as revenge against construction workers. Seems like end of days stuff down there, the city with the longest lockdown in the world and violence on the streets. Hard and early doesn’t seem to have worked as well as some posters claimed.
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You won't see the likes of Sundy in here moaning, happy enough in Perth without family.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-sty ... -1.4680021
Both our families are well thank God, but we have been the lucky ones, even still, we feel trapped. In limbo. Praying that our turn won’t be next. Our toddler is now four years old and hasn’t seen her grannies and grandas since she was two. The feeling is one of going to work, coming home, bringing up our children, enjoying all Queensland has to offer – between lockdowns – and consistently wondering what that feeling is that something is wrong. We don’t feel right. We need to get home, to fill our buckets again.
I guess it’s now like what previous generations that emigrated experienced, they knew trips back to Ireland would be few and far between. Australia is a great place to live, great opportunities and a fantastic lifestyle but now it feels so detached from the rest of the world so isolated and our lives here now are like living in a bubble that cannot be burst.
My husband lost his job with an Asian company and was out of work for four months . The three children have home schooled for most of the year. I work in healthcare and returned to full time work. Financially we have survived but the hardest thing is not seeing my parents or family in Ireland and then not coming out. Australia is a great place as long as you know you can get home to family. Because of the state borders I can’t see my sister in NSW. One of the main reasons I came to Australia in the first place. Family is everything and Covid has reinforced this making me now question why I’m here.
Plenty of NZ comments there. The countries with the hardest border policies are going to find to attract high skilled emigrants for years to come. I guess the natural resources of Australia will help but nobody sane is going to be emigrating to the likes of China, NZ or Australia anytime soon.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:45 am You won't see the likes of Sundy in here moaning, happy enough in Perth without family.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-sty ... -1.4680021
Both our families are well thank God, but we have been the lucky ones, even still, we feel trapped. In limbo. Praying that our turn won’t be next. Our toddler is now four years old and hasn’t seen her grannies and grandas since she was two. The feeling is one of going to work, coming home, bringing up our children, enjoying all Queensland has to offer – between lockdowns – and consistently wondering what that feeling is that something is wrong. We don’t feel right. We need to get home, to fill our buckets again.
I guess it’s now like what previous generations that emigrated experienced, they knew trips back to Ireland would be few and far between. Australia is a great place to live, great opportunities and a fantastic lifestyle but now it feels so detached from the rest of the world so isolated and our lives here now are like living in a bubble that cannot be burst.
My husband lost his job with an Asian company and was out of work for four months . The three children have home schooled for most of the year. I work in healthcare and returned to full time work. Financially we have survived but the hardest thing is not seeing my parents or family in Ireland and then not coming out. Australia is a great place as long as you know you can get home to family. Because of the state borders I can’t see my sister in NSW. One of the main reasons I came to Australia in the first place. Family is everything and Covid has reinforced this making me now question why I’m here.
Plenty of NZ comments there. The countries with the hardest border policies are going to find to attract high skilled emigrants for years to come. I guess the natural resources of Australia will help but nobody sane is going to be emigrating to the likes of China, NZ or Australia anytime soon.
A chance for you to re apply again then, might get lucky this time, plenty of roads to tarmac here.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:45 am You won't see the likes of Sundy in here moaning, happy enough in Perth without family.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-sty ... -1.4680021
Both our families are well thank God, but we have been the lucky ones, even still, we feel trapped. In limbo. Praying that our turn won’t be next. Our toddler is now four years old and hasn’t seen her grannies and grandas since she was two. The feeling is one of going to work, coming home, bringing up our children, enjoying all Queensland has to offer – between lockdowns – and consistently wondering what that feeling is that something is wrong. We don’t feel right. We need to get home, to fill our buckets again.
I guess it’s now like what previous generations that emigrated experienced, they knew trips back to Ireland would be few and far between. Australia is a great place to live, great opportunities and a fantastic lifestyle but now it feels so detached from the rest of the world so isolated and our lives here now are like living in a bubble that cannot be burst.
My husband lost his job with an Asian company and was out of work for four months . The three children have home schooled for most of the year. I work in healthcare and returned to full time work. Financially we have survived but the hardest thing is not seeing my parents or family in Ireland and then not coming out. Australia is a great place as long as you know you can get home to family. Because of the state borders I can’t see my sister in NSW. One of the main reasons I came to Australia in the first place. Family is everything and Covid has reinforced this making me now question why I’m here.
Plenty of NZ comments there. The countries with the hardest border policies are going to find to attract high skilled emigrants for years to come. I guess the natural resources of Australia will help but nobody sane is going to be emigrating to the likes of China, NZ or Australia anytime soon.
I've had two people from my office return to the UK or Ireland for a few weeks for Family reasons. They have to jump through a few extra hoops, but it was fine.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:18 pm I see the Melbourne Premier shut down construction as revenge against construction workers. Seems like end of days stuff down there, the city with the longest lockdown in the world and violence on the streets. Hard and early doesn’t seem to have worked as well as some posters claimed.
Refuting woefully uninformed criticism is not being overly sensitive.
Once again, you are full of shit.
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UncleFB wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:22 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:48 am
UncleFB wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:34 am
jambanja wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?
The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.
And you'll see us criticising the length of our lockdown. :lol:

You chaps just get overly sensitive when criticism comes your way.
Refuting woefully uninformed criticism is not being overly sensitive.
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jdogscoop wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:10 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:18 pm I see the Melbourne Premier shut down construction as revenge against construction workers. Seems like end of days stuff down there, the city with the longest lockdown in the world and violence on the streets. Hard and early doesn’t seem to have worked as well as some posters claimed.
Refuting woefully uninformed criticism is not being overly sensitive.
Once again, you are full of shit.
In what respect?

i) construction shut down on the same day a protest happened, what a conicidence
ii) Melbourne set to win the title as the world's most locked down city
Stay-at-home orders have been extended for at least another month, ensuring Melbourne, Australia, will become the most locked-down city in the world by a large margin. If so, Melbourne will overtake Buenos Aires as the world’s most locked-down city on October 4.

If lockdown lifts on October 26 as planned, Melbourne will have spent in hard lockdown for 267 days, or nearly 9 months, since March of last year.
iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
And by how much has Australian excess mortality risen in that period? 8%? 10?
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
And by how much has Australian excess mortality risen in that period? 8%? 10?
What a dumb question. How would I know? We don't tally our covid-19 deaths by measuring excess mortality. If you have had COVID-19 in the 28 days prior to dying you are counted as a COVID-19 death in Australia. QLD has had seven deaths, largely because of the hard, early lockdowns that Blackrock Bullet is trolling.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:57 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
And by how much has Australian excess mortality risen in that period? 8%? 10?
What a dumb question. How would I know? We don't tally our covid-19 deaths by measuring excess mortality. If you have had COVID-19 in the 28 days prior to dying you are counted as a COVID-19 death in Australia. QLD has had seven deaths, largely because of the hard, early lockdowns that Blackrock Bullet is trolling.
7.6% in May. 6.3% more than average for the first half of the year. It's not too difficult to find.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/healt ... st-release

Hefty rise in excess mortality due to lockdowns..... And you haven't even released the Kraken yet.

It's a shit virus, and we haven't seen the last of it. Stop being so smug.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
Are you criticising the New Zealand government for having a lockdown for well over a month or Victoria? You have had strokes of luck, that is clear.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:30 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
Are you criticising the New Zealand government for having a lockdown for well over a month or Victoria? You have had strokes of luck, that is clear.
I'm not criticising anyone. Just calling out your dishonest trolling.
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
And by how much has Australian excess mortality risen in that period? 8%? 10?
The most recent provisional mortality report shows an increase in excess deaths from January this year of 6.3%.

Typically, increments or decrements would be determined by comparison with a five-year rolling average of the immediately preceding five years, but not in this case. Calendar year 2020 was omitted and 2015-2019 instead used for the five year period.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics, the agency compiling the data, gave this explanation:
'As mortality during 2020 had periods where deaths were significantly lower than expected, 2020 has not been included in the baseline average.'.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am
jdogscoop wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:10 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:18 pm I see the Melbourne Premier shut down construction as revenge against construction workers. Seems like end of days stuff down there, the city with the longest lockdown in the world and violence on the streets. Hard and early doesn’t seem to have worked as well as some posters claimed.
Refuting woefully uninformed criticism is not being overly sensitive.
Once again, you are full of shit.
In what respect?

i) construction shut down on the same day a protest happened, what a conicidence
ii) Melbourne set to win the title as the world's most locked down city
Stay-at-home orders have been extended for at least another month, ensuring Melbourne, Australia, will become the most locked-down city in the world by a large margin. If so, Melbourne will overtake Buenos Aires as the world’s most locked-down city on October 4.

If lockdown lifts on October 26 as planned, Melbourne will have spent in hard lockdown for 267 days, or nearly 9 months, since March of last year.
iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
WORLD'S LONGEST LOCKDOWNS
Buenos Aires: 245

Dublin: 227
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London: 207

Prague: 201

Edinburgh: 195

Athens: 177

Dhaka: 169
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:30 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
Are you criticising the New Zealand government for having a lockdown for well over a month or Victoria? You have had strokes of luck, that is clear.
I'm not criticising anyone. Just calling out your dishonest trolling.
There is nothing dishonest here. Melbourne have gone "hard and early" the last few times, this time it didn't work. Additionally, despite the fact that New Zealand make a virtue of their lockdowns and going hard and early, Auckland has been in a prolonged lockdown. Clearly places like Queensland and Perth have been very fortunate to avoid prolonged lockdowns, if you don't agree that there has been luck there, you are directly criticising the state of Victoria and also New Zealand.
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grievous wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:40 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am
jdogscoop wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:10 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:18 pm I see the Melbourne Premier shut down construction as revenge against construction workers. Seems like end of days stuff down there, the city with the longest lockdown in the world and violence on the streets. Hard and early doesn’t seem to have worked as well as some posters claimed.
Refuting woefully uninformed criticism is not being overly sensitive.
Once again, you are full of shit.
In what respect?

i) construction shut down on the same day a protest happened, what a conicidence
ii) Melbourne set to win the title as the world's most locked down city
Stay-at-home orders have been extended for at least another month, ensuring Melbourne, Australia, will become the most locked-down city in the world by a large margin. If so, Melbourne will overtake Buenos Aires as the world’s most locked-down city on October 4.

If lockdown lifts on October 26 as planned, Melbourne will have spent in hard lockdown for 267 days, or nearly 9 months, since March of last year.
iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
WORLD'S LONGEST LOCKDOWNS
Buenos Aires: 245

Dublin: 227
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London: 207

Prague: 201

Edinburgh: 195

Athens: 177

Dhaka: 169
Why are you laughing? We all stated that we were in a long lockdown, though I will say that the definition of "hard" there is loose. Ireland was in a hard lockdown for 2 months last spring. The November lockdown was not a hard lockdown, with construction and schools open. We were then in a hard lockdown for about 2 months in winter, with schools and construction progressively reopening over the course of the third month.

Regardless, we have been out of hard lockdown for months now. You are getting to that point and good on ya, the last 3 months have been tough for you.
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I don’t necessarily trust that list.
Manila has been in some form of lockdown since March last year for instance.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:44 am
grievous wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:40 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am
jdogscoop wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:10 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:18 pm I see the Melbourne Premier shut down construction as revenge against construction workers. Seems like end of days stuff down there, the city with the longest lockdown in the world and violence on the streets. Hard and early doesn’t seem to have worked as well as some posters claimed.
Refuting woefully uninformed criticism is not being overly sensitive.
Once again, you are full of shit.
In what respect?

i) construction shut down on the same day a protest happened, what a conicidence
ii) Melbourne set to win the title as the world's most locked down city
Stay-at-home orders have been extended for at least another month, ensuring Melbourne, Australia, will become the most locked-down city in the world by a large margin. If so, Melbourne will overtake Buenos Aires as the world’s most locked-down city on October 4.

If lockdown lifts on October 26 as planned, Melbourne will have spent in hard lockdown for 267 days, or nearly 9 months, since March of last year.
iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
WORLD'S LONGEST LOCKDOWNS
Buenos Aires: 245

Dublin: 227
:lol:
London: 207

Prague: 201

Edinburgh: 195

Athens: 177

Dhaka: 169
Why are you laughing? We all stated that we were in a long lockdown, though I will say that the definition of "hard" there is loose. Ireland was in a hard lockdown for 2 months last spring. The November lockdown was not a hard lockdown, with construction and schools open. We were then in a hard lockdown for about 2 months in winter, with schools and construction progressively reopening over the course of the third month.

Regardless, we have been out of hard lockdown for months now. You are getting to that point and good on ya, the last 3 months have been tough for you.
As some idiot said....if you have to explain it....
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MungoMan wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
And by how much has Australian excess mortality risen in that period? 8%? 10?
The most recent provisional mortality report shows an increase in excess deaths from January this year of 6.3%.

Typically, increments or decrements would be determined by comparison with a five-year rolling average of the immediately preceding five years, but not in this case. Calendar year 2020 was omitted and 2015-2019 instead used for the five year period.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics, the agency compiling the data, gave this explanation:
'As mortality during 2020 had periods where deaths were significantly lower than expected, 2020 has not been included in the baseline average.'.
And yet it says the stats are comparable with last year? Whatever ... the point was to counter the smugness of AC. The situation is shit either being locked down or allowing people to live their lives without putting them in hospital for not wearing a mask, or shooting their dogs.
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:50 am
MungoMan wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
And by how much has Australian excess mortality risen in that period? 8%? 10?
The most recent provisional mortality report shows an increase in excess deaths from January this year of 6.3%.

Typically, increments or decrements would be determined by comparison with a five-year rolling average of the immediately preceding five years, but not in this case. Calendar year 2020 was omitted and 2015-2019 instead used for the five year period.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics, the agency compiling the data, gave this explanation:
'As mortality during 2020 had periods where deaths were significantly lower than expected, 2020 has not been included in the baseline average.'.
And yet it says the stats are comparable with last year? Whatever ... the point was to counter the smugness of AC. The situation is shit either being locked down or allowing people to live their lives without putting them in hospital for not wearing a mask, or shooting their dogs.
The week-by-week numbers for registered deaths in 2021 are broadly comparable for their 2020 equivalents.

That said, 2020 is done and dusted whereas the 2021 numbers include only deaths occurring by the end of May and registered by the end of July. For whatever reason, registered deaths in 2020 began falling below from the 2015-2019 average from mid August to early November.
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MungoMan wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:16 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:50 am
MungoMan wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am

Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
And by how much has Australian excess mortality risen in that period? 8%? 10?
The most recent provisional mortality report shows an increase in excess deaths from January this year of 6.3%.

Typically, increments or decrements would be determined by comparison with a five-year rolling average of the immediately preceding five years, but not in this case. Calendar year 2020 was omitted and 2015-2019 instead used for the five year period.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics, the agency compiling the data, gave this explanation:
'As mortality during 2020 had periods where deaths were significantly lower than expected, 2020 has not been included in the baseline average.'.
And yet it says the stats are comparable with last year? Whatever ... the point was to counter the smugness of AC. The situation is shit either being locked down or allowing people to live their lives without putting them in hospital for not wearing a mask, or shooting their dogs.
The week-by-week numbers for registered deaths in 2021 are broadly comparable for their 2020 equivalents.

That said, 2020 is done and dusted whereas the 2021 numbers include only deaths occurring by the end of May and registered by the end of July. For whatever reason, registered deaths in 2020 began falling below from the 2015-2019 average from mid August to early November.
Summer and the end of lockdowns?
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grievous wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:49 am
As some idiot said....if you have to explain it....
I don't, our restrictions were too long. But we haven't been in them for months, you're just catching up, and of course you had restrictions there that we didn't for a long time as well.
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:19 am
MungoMan wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:16 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:50 am
MungoMan wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:51 am

And by how much has Australian excess mortality risen in that period? 8%? 10?
The most recent provisional mortality report shows an increase in excess deaths from January this year of 6.3%.

Typically, increments or decrements would be determined by comparison with a five-year rolling average of the immediately preceding five years, but not in this case. Calendar year 2020 was omitted and 2015-2019 instead used for the five year period.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics, the agency compiling the data, gave this explanation:
'As mortality during 2020 had periods where deaths were significantly lower than expected, 2020 has not been included in the baseline average.'.
And yet it says the stats are comparable with last year? Whatever ... the point was to counter the smugness of AC. The situation is shit either being locked down or allowing people to live their lives without putting them in hospital for not wearing a mask, or shooting their dogs.
The week-by-week numbers for registered deaths in 2021 are broadly comparable for their 2020 equivalents.

That said, 2020 is done and dusted whereas the 2021 numbers include only deaths occurring by the end of May and registered by the end of July. For whatever reason, registered deaths in 2020 began falling below from the 2015-2019 average from mid August to early November.
Summer and the end of lockdowns?
Buggered if I know. The tricky bit might be the earlier period, not the later.

I know from last year's reports that early 2020 seemed to have quite a few excess deaths compared with the 2015-2019 average at a time when there weren't many covid fatalities and lockdowns hadn't really become a thing.

My uneducated guess at that would be effects of the Christmas / New Year 2019 / 20 bushfires. Lots of smoke and particulates for a longish while over a large area can be a material public health hazard.
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My uneducated guess at that would be effects of the Christmas / New Year 2019 / 20 bushfires. Lots of smoke and particulates for a longish while over a large area can be a material public health hazard.

The excess deaths are in areas with these fires ?
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bimboman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:42 am
My uneducated guess at that would be effects of the Christmas / New Year 2019 / 20 bushfires. Lots of smoke and particulates for a longish while over a large area can be a material public health hazard.

The excess deaths are in areas with these fires ?
Don't know. The provisional mortality numbers are aggregated for all of Australia and not presented regionally.
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MungoMan wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:51 am
bimboman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:42 am
My uneducated guess at that would be effects of the Christmas / New Year 2019 / 20 bushfires. Lots of smoke and particulates for a longish while over a large area can be a material public health hazard.

The excess deaths are in areas with these fires ?
Don't know. The provisional mortality numbers are aggregated for all of Australia and not presented regionally.


You’re probably losing a chunk of people to failures from lockdowns and your health systems as well.

It’ll all come out in the years to come.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:36 am
grievous wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:49 am
As some idiot said....if you have to explain it....
I don't, our restrictions were too long. But we haven't been in them for months, you're just catching up, and of course you had restrictions there that we didn't for a long time as well.
Two attempts... :lol:
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am
jdogscoop wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:10 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:18 pm I see the Melbourne Premier shut down construction as revenge against construction workers. Seems like end of days stuff down there, the city with the longest lockdown in the world and violence on the streets. Hard and early doesn’t seem to have worked as well as some posters claimed.
Refuting woefully uninformed criticism is not being overly sensitive.
Once again, you are full of shit.
In what respect?

i) construction shut down on the same day a protest happened, what a conicidence
ii) Melbourne set to win the title as the world's most locked down city
Stay-at-home orders have been extended for at least another month, ensuring Melbourne, Australia, will become the most locked-down city in the world by a large margin. If so, Melbourne will overtake Buenos Aires as the world’s most locked-down city on October 4.

If lockdown lifts on October 26 as planned, Melbourne will have spent in hard lockdown for 267 days, or nearly 9 months, since March of last year.
iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
What has become abundantly clear during this pandemic is just how thick supposedly educated people can be.

Hard and early hasn't worked?

How many people do you think would be Clogsing (sic) Victorian ICU wards now if we hadn't gone hard and early against Delta?

Hint: Probably not around 200, in a state of 6,000,000.

I'd say we'd be doing our best Indian impression, with people in hallways, ramps, and dying in their own homes in the hundreds before even being able to access emergency treatment.
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Hard and early hasn’t worked, you are in lockdown and are heading for world record territory.

Come back to us when you have your whole hospital picture completed and the costs of lockdowns are clearer. The “hard and early” mantra you adopted has faltered, and you are stuck for weeks more in lockdown.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:58 pm Hard and early hasn’t worked, you are in lockdown and are heading for world record territory.

Come back to us when you have your whole hospital picture completed and the costs of lockdowns are clearer. The “hard and early” mantra you adopted has faltered, and you are stuck for weeks more in lockdown.

Victoria (Population 6m +)

Cases:
30,961

Deaths:
840

Ireland (population 5m +)

Cases:

379,000

Deaths:

5,209
Sorry, what's not working, where?
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MungoMan wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
And by how much has Australian excess mortality risen in that period? 8%? 10?
The most recent provisional mortality report shows an increase in excess deaths from January this year of 6.3%.

Typically, increments or decrements would be determined by comparison with a five-year rolling average of the immediately preceding five years, but not in this case. Calendar year 2020 was omitted and 2015-2019 instead used for the five year period.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics, the agency compiling the data, gave this explanation:
'As mortality during 2020 had periods where deaths were significantly lower than expected, 2020 has not been included in the baseline average.'.
That's an increase in mortality over 'expected' - not an increase in excess mortality - (as you corrected in following posts)
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:39 pm
MungoMan wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:21 am iii) "Hard and early", as you claimed, hasn't worked.
Except in QLD, where we have dealt with numerus Delta outbreaks by shutting down hard and early. We have a much larger population that Ireland and have suffered just seven COVID-19 deaths. You love to pick and choose data to suit your trolling.
And by how much has Australian excess mortality risen in that period? 8%? 10?
The most recent provisional mortality report shows an increase in excess deaths from January this year of 6.3%.

Typically, increments or decrements would be determined by comparison with a five-year rolling average of the immediately preceding five years, but not in this case. Calendar year 2020 was omitted and 2015-2019 instead used for the five year period.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics, the agency compiling the data, gave this explanation:
'As mortality during 2020 had periods where deaths were significantly lower than expected, 2020 has not been included in the baseline average.'.
That's an increase in mortality over 'expected' - not an increase in excess mortality - (as you corrected in following posts)
Yeah, speaking of 'an increase in excess deaths' is a bit clumsy, confusing and poorly-put.
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This morning I went for a surf, worked and am going to do a bushwalk with the dog over lunch. It's 26c and not a cloud in the sky.

If I finish work early I might go for a swim. Friday last week I played 12 holes of golf with my brother.

Lockdown in Australia is better than living in the UK and Ireland fullstop.
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Zakar wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:34 am This morning I went for a surf, worked and am going to do a bushwalk with the dog over lunch. It's 26c and not a cloud in the sky.

If I finish work early I might go for a swim. Friday last week I played 12 holes of golf with my brother.

Lockdown in Australia is better than living in the UK and Ireland fullstop.
Yep, last weekend I went for a swim in the newly renovated Dawn Fraser pool, then picnicked in the park, tomorrow it's a boys picnic and then two test matches to watch.

I've spent most of the lockdown complaining about how it's not a properly enforced lockdown while the NH brigade make out we're on Alcatraz.
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