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The Australian Federal Government are now moving it to be a criminal offence for an Australian to return from India.
For the first time in history, the Australian government could make it illegal for Australian citizens in other countries to return home.

Nine News understands the Federal Government is considering invoking sweeping powers under the Biosecurity Act, which would mean from as early as midnight tomorrow, it would be a crime for anyone to return to Australia if they have been in a high-risk country 14 days prior to arriving.

The act empowers Health Minister Greg Hunt to do whatever is necessary to stop the spread of a listed disease.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coron ... ca0bf51cc5

Lot's of people ignored Australia's human rights abuses all in the name of public health and pints, can that go on? What kind of country locks out its own citizens indefinitely and shows barely contained racism towards India and Indians like we saw in Perth during the week? Where are the basic values?
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I read that less than half those 7000 people who enter Australia are Australian, seems that the Australian Gov order is

1 Rich Non Australians
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Lot's of people ignored Australia's human rights abuses all in the name of public health and pints, can that go on? What kind of country locks out its own citizens indefinitely and shows barely contained racism towards India and Indians like we saw in Perth during the week? Where are the basic values?

A bloody good question.

Combine it with mandatory medical procedure etc and the future isn’t looking that free.
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Should be locked out tbh. There waa enough time to come back. The problems post lockdown were returnees.
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bimboman wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:57 pm
Lot's of people ignored Australia's human rights abuses all in the name of public health and pints, can that go on? What kind of country locks out its own citizens indefinitely and shows barely contained racism towards India and Indians like we saw in Perth during the week? Where are the basic values?

A bloody good question.

Combine it with mandatory medical procedure etc and the future isn’t looking that free.
Australia and Australians to me seem to have that mentality from The Beach, protect their patch at all costs. When you combine that with the underbelly of racism, you get the India situation. As this goes on the moves become more crazy, I notice that Melbourne now wants to build a quarantine facility in the sticks, right beside a quarantine facility for animals. This follows on from other States suggesting using open air mining camps for their detention facilities, human beings are now bio threats and not people.

What’s sad is that through a mixture of frustration and their own self preservation modes, much of the West praised Australia. But when we have tried to replicate them, the horror of it makes people recoil. We had that here when the MHQ facilities filled up and people couldn’t travel in for a few days, the Government had to roll back on elements of it as leaving citizens stranded is beyond the pale of decency.

What’s interesting about Australians is that they don’t seem to bat an eyelid at it. Geoffrey Robertson said that no “respectable” nation on earth would lock their citizens out for months and months as Australia did. I saw one clip this week or some racist in Perth blaming an Indian who had quarantined for having the gall to go and get married. Now they are banning even Australians from coming home from there, collateral damage it seems. Most Aussies will just nod and agree with it.
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Wow. If only this wasn’t simply a thought bubble that has been widely condemned as unconstitutional and probably unlawful

But carry on with the pearl clutching about human rights :lol:
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shanky wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:23 pm Wow. If only this wasn’t simply a thought bubble that has been widely condemned as unconstitutional and probably unlawful

But carry on with the pearl clutching about human rights :lol:
This is from Australian Humanist of the Year 2014 and leading international human rights lawyer on Australia’s border policy
"International law recognises the strong bond between individuals and their homeland and no respectable government would impose travel caps to prevent, for over a year, its citizens from returning if they are prepared to do quarantine,” he said..
In response Australia have no grounded flights from just India, which is even more bizarre given that the Indian variant is not considered a VOC. It appears that naked racism won the day there.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:58 pm The Australian Federal Government are now moving it to be a criminal offence for an Australian to return from India.
For the first time in history, the Australian government could make it illegal for Australian citizens in other countries to return home.

Nine News understands the Federal Government is considering invoking sweeping powers under the Biosecurity Act, which would mean from as early as midnight tomorrow, it would be a crime for anyone to return to Australia if they have been in a high-risk country 14 days prior to arriving.

The act empowers Health Minister Greg Hunt to do whatever is necessary to stop the spread of a listed disease.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coron ... ca0bf51cc5

Lot's of people ignored Australia's human rights abuses all in the name of public health and pints, can that go on? What kind of country locks out its own citizens indefinitely and shows barely contained racism towards India and Indians like we saw in Perth during the week? Where are the basic values?
So they are not locking people up for trying to get home
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:50 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:58 pm The Australian Federal Government are now moving it to be a criminal offence for an Australian to return from India.
For the first time in history, the Australian government could make it illegal for Australian citizens in other countries to return home.

Nine News understands the Federal Government is considering invoking sweeping powers under the Biosecurity Act, which would mean from as early as midnight tomorrow, it would be a crime for anyone to return to Australia if they have been in a high-risk country 14 days prior to arriving.

The act empowers Health Minister Greg Hunt to do whatever is necessary to stop the spread of a listed disease.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coron ... ca0bf51cc5

Lot's of people ignored Australia's human rights abuses all in the name of public health and pints, can that go on? What kind of country locks out its own citizens indefinitely and shows barely contained racism towards India and Indians like we saw in Perth during the week? Where are the basic values?
So they are not locking people up for trying to get home


They’re considering not even letting them land. It’s quite easy to understand the word “consider”.
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bimboman wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:54 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:50 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:58 pm The Australian Federal Government are now moving it to be a criminal offence for an Australian to return from India.
For the first time in history, the Australian government could make it illegal for Australian citizens in other countries to return home.

Nine News understands the Federal Government is considering invoking sweeping powers under the Biosecurity Act, which would mean from as early as midnight tomorrow, it would be a crime for anyone to return to Australia if they have been in a high-risk country 14 days prior to arriving.

The act empowers Health Minister Greg Hunt to do whatever is necessary to stop the spread of a listed disease.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coron ... ca0bf51cc5

Lot's of people ignored Australia's human rights abuses all in the name of public health and pints, can that go on? What kind of country locks out its own citizens indefinitely and shows barely contained racism towards India and Indians like we saw in Perth during the week? Where are the basic values?
So they are not locking people up for trying to get home


They’re considering not even letting them land. It’s quite easy to understand the word “consider”.
They are bot considering locking people up for trying to get home.
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I'm not that familiar with Blackrock Bullet... has he always been this dense?
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They’re considering not even letting them land. It’s quite easy to understand the word “consider”.
It's a journalistic term meaning "at the bottom of the list of ideas is ..."
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Slim 293 wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:39 pm I'm not that familiar with Blackrock Bullet... has he always been this dense?
He's a strange one, for sure.

He spent much of last year arguing with Australians that our Hotel Quarantine system was a waste of time, and that Ireland and the UK didn't need such systems. He maintained that our low infection rates were due to luck, and that our management of the pandemic had nothing to do with our relative lack of infection. He argued against our border closures and he argued against our lockdowns. He's got everything wrong since the beginning of the pandemic. In saying that, he serves a purpose. If he argues against something you can be certain with some confidence that it's the right thing to do.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:31 pm
shanky wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:23 pm Wow. If only this wasn’t simply a thought bubble that has been widely condemned as unconstitutional and probably unlawful

But carry on with the pearl clutching about human rights :lol:
This is from Australian Humanist of the Year 2014 and leading international human rights lawyer on Australia’s border policy
"International law recognises the strong bond between individuals and their homeland and no respectable government would impose travel caps to prevent, for over a year, its citizens from returning if they are prepared to do quarantine,” he said..
In response Australia have no grounded flights from just India, which is even more bizarre given that the Indian variant is not considered a VOC. It appears that naked racism won the day there.
It’s weird

I had you pegged as a smart, sensible poster

Then you come out with ridiculous shit like this.

Anyhoo, see you later.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:22 pm
bimboman wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:57 pm
Lot's of people ignored Australia's human rights abuses all in the name of public health and pints, can that go on? What kind of country locks out its own citizens indefinitely and shows barely contained racism towards India and Indians like we saw in Perth during the week? Where are the basic values?

A bloody good question.

Combine it with mandatory medical procedure etc and the future isn’t looking that free.
Australia and Australians to me seem to have that mentality from The Beach, protect their patch at all costs. When you combine that with the underbelly of racism, you get the India situation. As this goes on the moves become more crazy, I notice that Melbourne now wants to build a quarantine facility in the sticks, right beside a quarantine facility for animals. This follows on from other States suggesting using open air mining camps for their detention facilities, human beings are now bio threats and not people.

What’s sad is that through a mixture of frustration and their own self preservation modes, much of the West praised Australia. But when we have tried to replicate them, the horror of it makes people recoil. We had that here when the MHQ facilities filled up and people couldn’t travel in for a few days, the Government had to roll back on elements of it as leaving citizens stranded is beyond the pale of decency.

What’s interesting about Australians is that they don’t seem to bat an eyelid at it. Geoffrey Robertson said that no “respectable” nation on earth would lock their citizens out for months and months as Australia did. I saw one clip this week or some racist in Perth blaming an Indian who had quarantined for having the gall to go and get married. Now they are banning even Australians from coming home from there, collateral damage it seems. Most Aussies will just nod and agree with it.
The horror.....the horror
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NZ has never had a policy of restarting movement out of the country. Anyone can leave at their own risk. Upon return you must do 14 days MIQ at a cost of about $3500.

It sits well with Australia's recent authoritarian lurch that it prevents its own citizens from freely leaving the country. Sounds a lot like Soviet Russia to me, or a prison.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:54 pm NZ has never had a policy of restarting movement out of the country. Anyone can leave at their own risk. Upon return you must do 14 days MIQ at a cost of about $3500.

It sits well with Australia's recent authoritarian lurch that it prevents its own citizens from freely leaving the country. Sounds a lot like Soviet Russia to me, or a prison.
To be fair, these new restrictions are only in place for one country - India - and they're only in place temporarily. The footage of mass cremations happening in public parks in India is unsettling, and I think Australia is correct to restrict travel from emergent hotspots. Hotel Quarantine is still very risky, and managing this process safely is challenging at the best of times.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:03 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:54 pm NZ has never had a policy of restarting movement out of the country. Anyone can leave at their own risk. Upon return you must do 14 days MIQ at a cost of about $3500.

It sits well with Australia's recent authoritarian lurch that it prevents its own citizens from freely leaving the country. Sounds a lot like Soviet Russia to me, or a prison.
To be fair, these new restrictions are only in place for one country - India - and they're only in place temporarily. The footage of mass cremations happening in public parks in India is unsettling, and I think Australia is correct to restrict travel from emergent hotspots. Hotel Quarantine is still very risky, and managing this process safely is challenging at the best of times.
I was under the impression Australians had to apply for leave in order go anywhere overseas apart from New Zealand since the introduction of the trans-Tasman travel bubble. Apologies if this is not the case.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:21 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:03 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:54 pm NZ has never had a policy of restarting movement out of the country. Anyone can leave at their own risk. Upon return you must do 14 days MIQ at a cost of about $3500.

It sits well with Australia's recent authoritarian lurch that it prevents its own citizens from freely leaving the country. Sounds a lot like Soviet Russia to me, or a prison.
To be fair, these new restrictions are only in place for one country - India - and they're only in place temporarily. The footage of mass cremations happening in public parks in India is unsettling, and I think Australia is correct to restrict travel from emergent hotspots. Hotel Quarantine is still very risky, and managing this process safely is challenging at the best of times.
I was under the impression Australians had to apply for leave in order go anywhere overseas apart from New Zealand since the introduction of the trans-Tasman travel bubble. Apologies if this is not the case.
Yes travel is restricted to all countries. But that's been the case for ages. The state governments who run Hotel Quarantine do not want hundreds of thousands of people leaving the country to go on holidays.

The reality is that even if you wanted to go overseas, getting a flight is tough. And there are long waiting lists to get back to Australia. You basically need to fly First Class to be able to secure a timely return ticket so its only politicians, business people and the wealthy who are thinking of going overseas.
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It must be embarrassing to be British or Irish at the moment.

Every other first world island nation has done a fantastic job of containing covid. Australia, NZ, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Korea (effectively made into an island by north Korea). Iceland stumbled a bit early but is now in a good position.

Ireland and UK have lurched from on disaster to the next, with both extremes of politics contributing to the mess; the gammon with their anti lockdown protests and the wankeywokeys with their metoo BLM protests.
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jesus zakar. i was just having my first look at this bored for a while, realised on reading most of the shite why i'm not a regular on here anymore and you had to respond to that pile of turgid shit with that.
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happyhooker wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:31 am jesus zakar. i was just having my first look at this bored for a while, realised on reading most of the shite why i'm not a regular on here anymore and you had to respond to that pile of turgid shit with that.
Yeah its just a wind-a-thon now outside of a few safe space rugby threads
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Zakar wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:28 am It must be embarrassing to be British or Irish at the moment.

Every other first world island nation has done a fantastic job of containing covid. Australia, NZ, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Korea (effectively made into an island by north Korea).

Ireland and UK have lurched from on disaster to the next, with both extremes of politics contributing to the mess; the gammon with their anti lockdown protests and the wankeywokeys with their metoo BLM protests.
According to Blackrock Bullet all the 'successful' islands have just been lucky. Their success is purely down to luck. He knows best and he tearfully laments our loss of freedom and liberty as a result of our targeted lockdowns, mask wearing rules and mandatory hotel quarantine systems.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:54 pm NZ has never had a policy of restarting movement out of the country. Anyone can leave at their own risk. Upon return you must do 14 days MIQ at a cost of about $3500.

It sits well with Australia's recent authoritarian lurch that it prevents its own citizens from freely leaving the country. Sounds a lot like Soviet Russia to me, or a prison.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:33 am
Zakar wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:28 am It must be embarrassing to be British or Irish at the moment.

Every other first world island nation has done a fantastic job of containing covid. Australia, NZ, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Korea (effectively made into an island by north Korea).

Ireland and UK have lurched from on disaster to the next, with both extremes of politics contributing to the mess; the gammon with their anti lockdown protests and the wankeywokeys with their metoo BLM protests.
According to Blackrock Bullet all the 'successful' islands have just been lucky. Their success is purely down to luck. He knows best and he tearfully laments our loss of freedom and liberty as a result of our targeted lockdowns, mask wearing rules and mandatory hotel quarantine systems.
He also thinks that Ireland couldn’t have closed their borders during the pandemic to protect their people because of... reasons.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:31 pm
shanky wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:23 pm Wow. If only this wasn’t simply a thought bubble that has been widely condemned as unconstitutional and probably unlawful

But carry on with the pearl clutching about human rights :lol:
This is from Australian Humanist of the Year 2014 and leading international human rights lawyer on Australia’s border policy
"International law recognises the strong bond between individuals and their homeland and no respectable government would impose travel caps to prevent, for over a year, its citizens from returning if they are prepared to do quarantine,” he said..
In response Australia have no grounded flights from just India, which is even more bizarre given that the Indian variant is not considered a VOC. It appears that naked racism won the day there.
Your just being a dickhead.
But many will read this that don’t know the answer here.
And if you are going to lob out accusations of racism without support just demonstrates you to be a genuine bellend.

Now, why are we grounding flights from India? It’s because the percentage of people returning from India are much more likely to have Covid. The numbers of Covid in our quarantine system is dramatically increasing and that is putting the risk of an outbreak from hotel quarantine at a much higher level. When we see outbreaks into the community we see shutdowns. That puts millions at home in quarantine and comes with a huge economic and mental health cost
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Farva wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 1:35 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:33 am
Zakar wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:28 am It must be embarrassing to be British or Irish at the moment.

Every other first world island nation has done a fantastic job of containing covid. Australia, NZ, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Korea (effectively made into an island by north Korea).

Ireland and UK have lurched from on disaster to the next, with both extremes of politics contributing to the mess; the gammon with their anti lockdown protests and the wankeywokeys with their metoo BLM protests.
According to Blackrock Bullet all the 'successful' islands have just been lucky. Their success is purely down to luck. He knows best and he tearfully laments our loss of freedom and liberty as a result of our targeted lockdowns, mask wearing rules and mandatory hotel quarantine systems.
He also thinks that Ireland couldn’t have closed their borders during the pandemic to protect their people because of... reasons.
I forgot about that.
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The question of how we manage hotel quarantine and quarantine in general is worth discussing.
The federal government has forced the responsibility into the states and into hotels that aren’t designed for quarantining. And then pointed the finger at the states for outbreaks. They have politicised the pandemic.

What I would like to see is a formal queue created to get back, and it managed by the government. This will stop those richer people flying in and out for rubbish reasons. We need dedicated quarantine facility somewhere remote.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:00 pm Should be locked out tbh. There waa enough time to come back. The problems post lockdown were returnees.
Nailed it
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Farva wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 1:46 am The question of how we manage hotel quarantine and quarantine in general is worth discussing.
The federal government has forced the responsibility into the states and into hotels that aren’t designed for quarantining. And then pointed the finger at the states for outbreaks. They have politicised the pandemic.

What I would like to see is a formal queue created to get back, and it managed by the government. This will stop those richer people flying in and out for rubbish reasons. We need dedicated quarantine facility somewhere remote.
I believe they are building something in VIC. Purpose built facilities (in remote locations) have been discussed in NZ but there seem to be issues around staffing, cost, and redundancy.

Better to make use of existing structures and have hotels upgrade systems to minimise viral spread from infected returnees to staff and those nearing completion of isolation.

The NZ opposition, or what's left of it, has been ferocious in its criticism of a pretty good MIQ record. There have been some breaches but quickly contained, most of the damage done by idiots two or three stages away from the border breach.

NZ being one state does find it easier to manage returnees but there's no reason why the Australian federal government can't take this over there. Perhaps they are too busy?
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I don’t agree it’s better to make use of existing facilities. Hotels have fundamental flaws when used for quarantining a highly infectious virus.

And the staffing issues are a non issue. Have people working an 8 week cycle. 4 on, 2 in quarantine, 2 off. We manage fly in fly out for the mines, why not now. Sure wages will be higher but it’s a lot less than shutting down 2 million people for 3 days every couple of months.
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les@mooloolaba wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:12 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:00 pm Should be locked out tbh. There waa enough time to come back. The problems post lockdown were returnees.
Nailed it
Few issue.
1/ the initial advice in March last year was to get home if you are travelling not if you have a job.
2/ people have been trying to get home for a year and haven’t been able to.
3/ I have a moral issue of kicking Australians out of Australia. What is the point of citizenship if that happens?
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He got one thing right, Australians on here are not batting an eyelid.

The situation is disgraceful and would surely change the way you feel towards your home country if you happened to be one of the unlucky absentees. And I use the word unlucky because for the vast majority, that's what it is. A large proportion of Australians travel abroad under normal circumstances with some regularity, if not a relatively high frequency. No-one including those who happened to be within the country when the drawbridge went up, would travel with the presumption that the country would not necessarily try to help them return in some way if disaster strikes. Yet here we are. It's a dystopian nightmare passed off as normal, sensible, rational.

I must remind myself next time I board that one of the biggest risks I'm taking is actively becoming part of a minority...
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mabunch78 wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:42 am He got one thing right, Australians on here are not batting an eyelid.
Almost to a man most Australians on here all agree that our government is a literal walking bag of shit. But suspending flights from a country that appears to be exploding with COVID is probably a good move.

Sure, it could be seen at selfish but this morning both my sons played rugby for their schools and life is essentially normal. I don't want that jeopardised by letting plane loads of people from the viral epicentre come into the country.

I'm sure when India gets shit under control they'll let planes back in.
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NZ closed its border to flights from India last week...

No one batted an eyelid. Clearly racialismistic towards Australia from some NH posters here.

They have issues, eh? Must be all that ‘rona up that way.
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Hotel quarantine is better than none at all but manifestly is not good enough. ABC online today notes epidemiologist Michael Toole as having counted 16 separate leaks in hotel quarantine in five capital cities since November last year.

It should, for crissake, be crystal frigging clear that at least one large dedicated quarantine facility is needed, preferably adjacent to an international airport. Which is why Shouty McShitmaggot needs to pick up his fúcking phone tout-de-suite and talk to Anastacia Palaszczuk about building one at Toowoomba Wellcamp Airport.
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The federal Govt will never establish a dedicated Quarantine site because A) they'll have to fund it, and B) any mistakes will be politically damaging.

At the moment the Federal Coalition actually benefits from quarantine leaks, because they can blame the states.
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Farva wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:38 am
les@mooloolaba wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:12 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:00 pm Should be locked out tbh. There waa enough time to come back. The problems post lockdown were returnees.
Nailed it
Few issue.
1/ the initial advice in March last year was to get home if you are travelling not if you have a job.
2/ people have been trying to get home for a year and haven’t been able to.
3/ I have a moral issue of kicking Australians out of Australia. What is the point of citizenship if that happens?
This. Boy does that moronic way of thinking demonstrated by the quoted posts get tiresome.
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Re: Overseas Australians could face jail for trying to come home

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Nah ... the Australian government are not having an hysterical draconian over-reaction to this pandemic at all.

As you were lads, resume circle-jerk positions and keep wanking.
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Re: Overseas Australians could face jail for trying to come home

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jdogscoop wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:40 am
Farva wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:38 am
les@mooloolaba wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:12 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:00 pm Should be locked out tbh. There waa enough time to come back. The problems post lockdown were returnees.
Nailed it
Few issue.
1/ the initial advice in March last year was to get home if you are travelling not if you have a job.
2/ people have been trying to get home for a year and haven’t been able to.
3/ I have a moral issue of kicking Australians out of Australia. What is the point of citizenship if that happens?
This. Boy does that moronic way of thinking demonstrated by the quoted posts get tiresome.

Yeah, totally.

But they had their chance, right. Right when they couldn’t get a flight. Or their flight was cancelled. Or they were bumped from the seat they paid for to make room for someone paying three times as much.

They just should have come home.
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