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So Dan Andrews is openly referring to your “freedom” pass. Are no Australians in the slightest bit concerned about the massive over reach here and the inverting of what the state / citizen relationship was in your country ?
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Zakar wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:11 am Na

Then you’ve all lost the plot and deserve what’s next.

Your “freedom” isn’t granted by the Government.
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bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:12 am
Zakar wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:11 am Na

Then you’ve all lost the plot and deserve what’s next.

Your “freedom” isn’t granted by the Government.
Ok cool.
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bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:07 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

Being locked down is a national emergency. How are you not all vaccinated yet?


(Ps the over 40’s should cover it).
I know you refuse to acknowledge government figures, but according to Whitty, UK mortality rates of unvaccinated in their thirties is now at the same rate as those in their seventies who are vaccinated.
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Clogs wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:18 am This is an interesting idea that is worth some serious consideration.
Unpredictable lockdowns could be replaced with timed national shutdowns
Lockdowns are inevitable, even as vaccinations rise, so we should consider scheduling two-week shutdowns to keep cases low.

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Australia is finally waking up from the dream that the SARS-COV2 virus will disappear as a result of our interventions.

Based on our current knowledge, it is a very reasonable assumption that this virus and its consequences in the form of Covid-19 disease are going to stay with us for a long time. At least that seems to be our current knowledge of the potential impact of testing, tracing, vaccinations, masks and social distancing, as well as the nature of this virus and the various mutants we have seen so far.

The difficult question for Australia is what an acceptable “new normal” would be and how to get to it.

Let us be humble. Nobody has the crystal ball. I am always guided by that great philosopher Yogi Berra, who said “It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future”.

But there are some things that we know: for example, the overall capacity of the Australian hospital system.

My other guiding principle in situations like this is the statement by the famous statistician George Box: “All models are wrong but some are useful”. The Doherty Institute model of the Covid-19 pandemic for Australia is useful.

The Treasury report based on that model provides an excellent analysis of potential future scenarios for Australia’s management of Covid-19 infections and, in particular, it extends the Doherty work to the economic impacts.

Most importantly, it hits the nail right on the head by not even considering scenarios that would imply exceeding the capacity of the current Australian healthcare system. Ignoring that constraint would potentially lead to death rates that could exceed even those, for example, in the US or UK: the latter has about 70 per cent vaccination of the population with second jabs, yet the daily new cases average almost 40,000 and, sadly, about 100 people a day die from Covid-19. Such numbers in Australia are unimaginable and I am sure most Australians would be prepared to take the tough steps to prevent them.

We can – and should – expand the capacity of the healthcare system but building new hospitals and ICU units, and finding well-trained staff for them, takes time. But that is not enough.

The Treasury report projects that with the current capacity of our hospital systems, some form of lockdowns would be necessary in future; as no vaccine is 100 per cent effective. Even if the vaccination rates reach 80 per cent plus, we will need lockdowns in the foreseeable future.

The modelling of the impact of the lockdowns in the Treasury report does not address one important and preventable factor – the consequence of the fact that the timing of these lockdowns is at present unexpected, unplanned and sudden.

That adds to the financial losses to industries such as hospitality, tourism and sports, or for anyone working with perishable goods. But it is also psychologically devastating for students and their parents, as well as anyone who cannot work remotely. We are ill-equipped for such dramatic twists in our personal and social life, as well.

Looking at the global pattern of the Covid-19 infection, the peaks and troughs in case numbers follow a similar pattern of two to four-month cycles. The amplitude changes – and in countries with successful public measure controls it goes down – but the periodicity remains.

Would it not be worth trying to plan regular nationwide lockdowns? For example, two weeks of strict lockdowns every two months? These would enable each one of us as individuals, communities and a nation to plan our activities in advance.

It would probably also give rise to new enterprises that could provide the much-needed extra goods and services when lockdowns are under way, for example, extra educational materials for children. The catering industry could refocus on home delivery of meals, particularly for those in greatest need. And one could think of many others that already exist but as the need for them comes and goes irregularly, they are under-utilised, such as physical exercise classes for home, music or language lessons, or gaining extra qualifications to expand our employability.

Virtual reality technology could become a real reality of our planned lockdowns,

What if a particular locality were to get a massive outbreak of Covid-19 outside such regular lockdowns? The state governments could always start a reactive lockdown if things got out of hand but the chances are good that ultimately these regular nationwide lockdowns would reduce the case numbers during the peaks that the country could cope with.

Of course, the lockdowns could be relaxed, or made less frequent as we find new ways to deal with this infection and expand our healthcare capacity.

Dr Igor Gonda is a respiratory health research scientist who worked in universities and industry in Australia, the UK and the US. He is currently consulting with several companies on potential therapies for Covid-19.
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MungoMan wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:41 pm
Ireland (Republic of) has 5,000 covid related deaths from just over 5,000,000 people, and I was replying to an Irish troll responding to a post about Melbourne. Relevantly, greater Melbourne has a marginally larger population.

The Andrews Government would not survive anything like 5,000 covid related deaths, regardless of what the press said, unless it was spread over twenty years. By which time, Dan the Man would almost certainly be otherwise occupied.
No masks outdoors won't cause 5,000 deaths. Again, Denmark are your best benchmark, 2,600 deaths and no outdoor mask mandate.
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Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.
What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.
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message #2527204 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:19 am
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:07 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

Being locked down is a national emergency. How are you not all vaccinated yet?


(Ps the over 40’s should cover it).
I know you refuse to acknowledge government figures, but according to Whitty, UK mortality rates of unvaccinated in their thirties is now at the same rate as those in their seventies who are vaccinated.

Easily proved message, go for it.

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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ths-by-age

You’re taking shit
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.
What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.
To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.
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bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:07 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

Being locked down is a national emergency. How are you not all vaccinated yet?


(Ps the over 40’s should cover it).
Our leaders forgot to order them.
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Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.
What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.
To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.
Its not fair to compare Ireland or Australia to the U.K., the U.K. is a global trade centre it’s a behemoth with very high density and massive cultural issues - there is simply no fair comparison. Ireland did okay, we locked down much harder and longer than the U.K., I wouldn’t be patting us on the back. Our low density population is mostly what saved us. It’s too early for most people to accept it but we have to start looking at it as loss of quality adjusted life years and not deaths. If you look at the euromomo website for excess mortality by age you will see you interesting trends emerging.
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Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.
What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.
To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.
70/80% of adults or of total population?
In Ireland we will probably hit 90% of over 12s in a few weeks, but that's still only 75% of total population.
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Of adults.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:07 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.
What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.
To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.
Its not fair to compare Ireland or Australia to the U.K., the U.K. is a global trade centre it’s a behemoth with very high density and massive cultural issues - there is simply no fair comparison. Ireland did okay, we locked down much harder and longer than the U.K., I wouldn’t be patting us on the back. Our low density population is mostly what saved us. It’s too early for most people to accept it but we have to start looking at it as loss of quality adjusted life years and not deaths. If you look at the euromomo website for excess mortality by age you will see you interesting trends emerging.
Sure.
But you could have had a higher death rate.
Each country is different as they have different demographics so will react differently.

One reason I think Oz is now in a good position is that we know a lot more about this virus now. There are treatments in late stages of development that can help keep people out of hospital once they get it. And of course vaccines make a difference.
I think we have done well given the excellent hand we were played. Sure we are in lockdown now, and international travel is not on the cards now, but compare that to the likely 50k deaths we would have seen had we allowed it in, I think we are in a good position. Which of course is why this thread is so ridiculous.
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Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:56 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:07 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.
What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.
To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.
Its not fair to compare Ireland or Australia to the U.K., the U.K. is a global trade centre it’s a behemoth with very high density and massive cultural issues - there is simply no fair comparison. Ireland did okay, we locked down much harder and longer than the U.K., I wouldn’t be patting us on the back. Our low density population is mostly what saved us. It’s too early for most people to accept it but we have to start looking at it as loss of quality adjusted life years and not deaths. If you look at the euromomo website for excess mortality by age you will see you interesting trends emerging.
Sure.
But you could have had a higher death rate.
Each country is different as they have different demographics so will react differently.

One reason I think Oz is now in a good position is that we know a lot more about this virus now. There are treatments in late stages of development that can help keep people out of hospital once they get it. And of course vaccines make a difference.
I think we have done well given the excellent hand we were played. Sure we are in lockdown now, and international travel is not on the cards now, but compare that to the likely 50k deaths we would have seen had we allowed it in, I think we are in a good position. Which of course is why this thread is so ridiculous.
I agree to a point. Perhaps I can summarise? I think we can only thank the Labor controlled States for the great position we are in. We are only where we are because of Labor. No other reason. The only reason we are in the terrible position we are in is because of the Coalition Governments and the Coaltion Federal Government. They have fvcked us. We are fvcked.

Sound about right?
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bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:47 am
message #2527204 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:19 am
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:07 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

Being locked down is a national emergency. How are you not all vaccinated yet?


(Ps the over 40’s should cover it).
I know you refuse to acknowledge government figures, but according to Whitty, UK mortality rates of unvaccinated in their thirties is now at the same rate as those in their seventies who are vaccinated.

Easily proved message, go for it.

Edit

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ths-by-age

You’re taking shit
That doesn't show anything unless you trawl the data, so you're talking blocks to say it does.

It wad hospitalisations not death.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:07 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.
What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.
To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.
Its not fair to compare Ireland or Australia to the U.K., the U.K. is a global trade centre it’s a behemoth with very high density and massive cultural issues - there is simply no fair comparison. Ireland did okay, we locked down much harder and longer than the U.K., I wouldn’t be patting us on the back. Our low density population is mostly what saved us. It’s too early for most people to accept it but we have to start looking at it as loss of quality adjusted life years and not deaths. If you look at the euromomo website for excess mortality by age you will see you interesting trends emerging.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hs-tracker

Ireland has had low excess mortality. We were one of the most aggressive countries out there in counting Covid deaths.

Our younger population helped us as much as density.

The key to keeping deaths down though was protecting care homes in all truth. We were mediocre at that. We also made a virtue out of lockdowns vs. attempts to have a functioning society like the Danes did (opening up in April with a testing and vaccine passport like system, avoiding lockdowns as much as possible etc).
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It wad hospitalisations not death.

So I wasn’t talking bollocks and you were talking shit.


It’s shit on hospitalised as well.
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Enjoy your Freedom Passes.

Congratulations to those Australians who manage to qualify for freedom.

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bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:58 am
It wad hospitalisations not death.

So I wasn’t talking bollocks and you were talking shit.


It’s shit on hospitalised as well.
You were talking bollocks as always.

No it isn't.
Whitty pointed to data showing a similar trend for serious illness, adding that in every age bracket there is a “very substantially smaller” risk of being admitted to hospital with Covid if someone is vaccinated compared to those who are not jabbed.

He added: “If you just do a very crude look at the numbers, someone who is in their 30s and unvaccinated is running about the same risk as someone in their 70s who is vaccinated. It’s that level of difference.
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message #2527204 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:58 am
It wad hospitalisations not death.

So I wasn’t talking bollocks and you were talking shit.


It’s shit on hospitalised as well.
You were talking bollocks as always.

No it isn't.
Whitty pointed to data showing a similar trend for serious illness, adding that in every age bracket there is a “very substantially smaller” risk of being admitted to hospital with Covid if someone is vaccinated compared to those who are not jabbed.

He added: “If you just do a very crude look at the numbers, someone who is in their 30s and unvaccinated is running about the same risk as someone in their 70s who is vaccinated. It’s that level of difference.


“Very crude number”

Isn’t how you measure risk. It’s all part of the fear theatre.

And I’ve posted the crude numbers, massively more 70-80’s are being admitted. They’re 90% plus vaccinated.

Also I’m sure here the two paragraphs are exclusive of one another. You’re very stupid.
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bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:09 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:58 am
It wad hospitalisations not death.

So I wasn’t talking bollocks and you were talking shit.


It’s shit on hospitalised as well.
You were talking bollocks as always.

No it isn't.
Whitty pointed to data showing a similar trend for serious illness, adding that in every age bracket there is a “very substantially smaller” risk of being admitted to hospital with Covid if someone is vaccinated compared to those who are not jabbed.

He added: “If you just do a very crude look at the numbers, someone who is in their 30s and unvaccinated is running about the same risk as someone in their 70s who is vaccinated. It’s that level of difference.


“Very crude number”

Isn’t how you measure risk. It’s all part of the fear theatre.

And I’ve posted the crude numbers, massively more 70-80’s are being admitted. They’re 90% plus vaccinated.
Yeah, They're all lying, except he isn't is he? There are massively more being admitted, but that wasn't the comparison.
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message #2527204 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:13 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:09 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:58 am
It wad hospitalisations not death.

So I wasn’t talking bollocks and you were talking shit.


It’s shit on hospitalised as well.
You were talking bollocks as always.

No it isn't.
Whitty pointed to data showing a similar trend for serious illness, adding that in every age bracket there is a “very substantially smaller” risk of being admitted to hospital with Covid if someone is vaccinated compared to those who are not jabbed.

He added: “If you just do a very crude look at the numbers, someone who is in their 30s and unvaccinated is running about the same risk as someone in their 70s who is vaccinated. It’s that level of difference.


“Very crude number”

Isn’t how you measure risk. It’s all part of the fear theatre.

And I’ve posted the crude numbers, massively more 70-80’s are being admitted. They’re 90% plus vaccinated.
Yeah, They're all lying, except he isn't is he? There are massively more being admitted, but that wasn't the comparison.

You lied about what he said on “deaths” on very crude numbers many more both in number and % of 70-80 year olds are being admitted to hospital (see the link above ).

“Very crude number” We are now guessing on what comparison he was referring to.

Any ideas of what you’ll make up and attribute next?
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bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:16 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:13 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:09 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:58 am


So I wasn’t talking bollocks and you were talking shit.


It’s shit on hospitalised as well.
You were talking bollocks as always.

No it isn't.
Whitty pointed to data showing a similar trend for serious illness, adding that in every age bracket there is a “very substantially smaller” risk of being admitted to hospital with Covid if someone is vaccinated compared to those who are not jabbed.

He added: “If you just do a very crude look at the numbers, someone who is in their 30s and unvaccinated is running about the same risk as someone in their 70s who is vaccinated. It’s that level of difference.


“Very crude number”

Isn’t how you measure risk. It’s all part of the fear theatre.

And I’ve posted the crude numbers, massively more 70-80’s are being admitted. They’re 90% plus vaccinated.
Yeah, They're all lying, except he isn't is he? There are massively more being admitted, but that wasn't the comparison.

You lied about what he said on “deaths” on very crude numbers many more both in number and % of 70-80 year olds are being admitted to hospital (see the link above ).

“Very crude number” We are now guessing on what comparison he was referring to.

Any ideas of what you’ll make up and attribute next?
So you keep insisting on your comparison rather than the one I made? Pretty despicable.
Actually, deaths in the 40-50 age group amongst unvaccinated are higher than those vaccinated in the 60-70 age group too.
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So you keep insisting on your comparison rather than the one I made? Pretty despicable.
Actually, deaths in the 40-50 age group amongst unvaccinated are higher than those vaccinated in the 60-70 age group too.
I’m only interested in the comparison you claim Whitty made.

You said deaths and meant hospitals....

You said 30’s , you meant 40-50 year olds.


You’re obfuscation is obvious and stupid.
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bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:21 pm
So you keep insisting on your comparison rather than the one I made? Pretty despicable.
Actually, deaths in the 40-50 age group amongst unvaccinated are higher than those vaccinated in the 60-70 age group too.
I’m only interested in the comparison you claim Whitty made.

You said deaths and meant hospitals....

You said 30’s , you meant 40-50 year olds.


You’re obfuscation is obvious and stupid.
Whitty showed that comparison too.
Try and get out of it, then. I corrected myself, which you are unwilling to accept. You're now lying, and refusing to accept any of the figures. Why?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... a4cbd47342
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message #2527204 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:28 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:21 pm
So you keep insisting on your comparison rather than the one I made? Pretty despicable.
Actually, deaths in the 40-50 age group amongst unvaccinated are higher than those vaccinated in the 60-70 age group too.
I’m only interested in the comparison you claim Whitty made.

You said deaths and meant hospitals....

You said 30’s , you meant 40-50 year olds.


You’re obfuscation is obvious and stupid.
Whitty showed that comparison too.
Try and get out of it, then. I corrected myself, which you are unwilling to accept. You're now lying, and refusing to accept any of the figures. Why?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... a4cbd47342


I’ve posted the official figures that you seem to claim I’m not accepting .... why does this leave you with an accusation of non acceptance?

Deaths , hospitals, 30’s , 40’s ......


You got caught in your claim about what whitty said and are now just being Rocketz. Now do run along,
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Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?
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So much why on this thread, will never be answered.
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jambanja wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?
Because they can?
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jambanja wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?
The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.
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jambanja wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?

It’s an Irish thread.
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UncleFB wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:34 am
jambanja wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?
The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.
And you'll see us criticising the length of our lockdown. :lol:

You chaps just get overly sensitive when criticism comes your way.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:48 am
UncleFB wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:34 am
jambanja wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?
The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.
And you'll see us criticising the length of our lockdown. :lol:

You chaps just get overly sensitive when criticism comes your way.
I must have missed the anti lockdown thread from the Irish, what’s it called fidillydee lockdoon ain’t no crack
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jambanja wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:53 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:48 am
UncleFB wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:34 am
jambanja wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?
The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.
And you'll see us criticising the length of our lockdown. :lol:

You chaps just get overly sensitive when criticism comes your way.
I must have missed the anti lockdown thread from the Irish, what’s it called fidillydee lockdoon ain’t no crack
You can read the original Covid thread or NAMA one for that. You can also read this commentary just yesterday after Aussies/Kiwis on here who couldn't handle some gentle ribbing relentlessly trolling grieving families in Ireland;
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:18 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:07 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.
What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.
To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.
Its not fair to compare Ireland or Australia to the U.K., the U.K. is a global trade centre it’s a behemoth with very high density and massive cultural issues - there is simply no fair comparison. Ireland did okay, we locked down much harder and longer than the U.K., I wouldn’t be patting us on the back. Our low density population is mostly what saved us. It’s too early for most people to accept it but we have to start looking at it as loss of quality adjusted life years and not deaths. If you look at the euromomo website for excess mortality by age you will see you interesting trends emerging.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hs-tracker

Ireland has had low excess mortality. We were one of the most aggressive countries out there in counting Covid deaths.

Our younger population helped us as much as density.

The key to keeping deaths down though was protecting care homes in all truth. We were mediocre at that. We also made a virtue out of lockdowns vs. attempts to have a functioning society like the Danes did (opening up in April with a testing and vaccine passport like system, avoiding lockdowns as much as possible etc).
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:58 am
jambanja wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:53 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:48 am
UncleFB wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:34 am
jambanja wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?
The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.
And you'll see us criticising the length of our lockdown. :lol:

You chaps just get overly sensitive when criticism comes your way.
I must have missed the anti lockdown thread from the Irish, what’s it called fidillydee lockdoon ain’t no crack
You can read the original Covid thread or NAMA one for that. You can also read this commentary just yesterday after Aussies/Kiwis on here who couldn't handle some gentle ribbing relentlessly trolling grieving families in Ireland;
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:18 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am Its not fair to compare Ireland or Australia to the U.K., the U.K. is a global trade centre it’s a behemoth with very high density and massive cultural issues - there is simply no fair comparison. Ireland did okay, we locked down much harder and longer than the U.K., I wouldn’t be patting us on the back. Our low density population is mostly what saved us. It’s too early for most people to accept it but we have to start looking at it as loss of quality adjusted life years and not deaths. If you look at the euromomo website for excess mortality by age you will see you interesting trends emerging.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hs-tracker

Ireland has had low excess mortality. We were one of the most aggressive countries out there in counting Covid deaths.

Our younger population helped us as much as density.

The key to keeping deaths down though was protecting care homes in all truth. We were mediocre at that. We also made a virtue out of lockdowns vs. attempts to have a functioning society like the Danes did (opening up in April with a testing and vaccine passport like system, avoiding lockdowns as much as possible etc).
:lol: :lol:

You utter flog. Denmark has between a quarter and a fifth of Straya's population yet has recorded better than twice as many covid deaths.

Yep. We should do what they've been doing. So much winning.

If you were putting a bit of effort into your trolling you would have cited Norway (population c. 5.472 million, 841 covid deaths) rather than Denmark (population c. 5.816 million, 2,617 covid deaths).
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Mungo, if you were really going to pay attention you would tell us about Danish deaths post them dropping most measures.
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MungoMan wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:15 am :lol: :lol:

You utter flog. Denmark has between a quarter and a fifth of Straya's population yet has recorded better than twice as many covid deaths.

Yep. We should do what they've been doing. So much winning.

If you were putting a bit of effort into your trolling you would have cited Norway (population c. 5.472 million, 841 covid deaths) rather than Denmark (population c. 5.816 million, 2,617 covid deaths).
Do you understand excess deaths? Apparently not, which is unfortunate.
Denmark and Iceland both saw an estimated fall of 1 per cent in excess deaths during the pandemic. The Danes in particular were widely lauded in Europe for their initial response and subsequent handling of the global health crisis.
https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/08/0 ... ality-rate

How different countries count deaths will change the overall analysis though you should note that Norway also NEVER had an outdoor mask mandate.

What we can directly identify are persons who were left stranded by "their country" - like in the case of Australia. These "strong borders" directly resulted in the deaths of Australians overseas, these people were abandoned by their fellow "citizens".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/ ... /100354220
The ABC understands three people were registered with the department as seeking help to return home when they died.
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