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message #2527204 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:19 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:07 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

Being locked down is a national emergency. How are you not all vaccinated yet?


(Ps the over 40’s should cover it).

I know you refuse to acknowledge government figures, but according to Whitty, UK mortality rates of unvaccinated in their thirties is now at the same rate as those in their seventies who are vaccinated.

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:07 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

Being locked down is a national emergency. How are you not all vaccinated yet?


(Ps the over 40’s should cover it).

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.

To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.

To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:07 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.

To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.

Its not fair to compare Ireland or Australia to the U.K., the U.K. is a global trade centre it’s a behemoth with very high density and massive cultural issues - there is simply no fair comparison. Ireland did okay, we locked down much harder and longer than the U.K., I wouldn’t be patting us on the back. Our low density population is mostly what saved us. It’s too early for most people to accept it but we have to start looking at it as loss of quality adjusted life years and not deaths. If you look at the euromomo website for excess mortality by age you will see you interesting trends emerging.

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:56 am

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:07 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.

To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.

Its not fair to compare Ireland or Australia to the U.K., the U.K. is a global trade centre it’s a behemoth with very high density and massive cultural issues - there is simply no fair comparison. Ireland did okay, we locked down much harder and longer than the U.K., I wouldn’t be patting us on the back. Our low density population is mostly what saved us. It’s too early for most people to accept it but we have to start looking at it as loss of quality adjusted life years and not deaths. If you look at the euromomo website for excess mortality by age you will see you interesting trends emerging.

Sure.
But you could have had a higher death rate.
Each country is different as they have different demographics so will react differently.

One reason I think Oz is now in a good position is that we know a lot more about this virus now. There are treatments in late stages of development that can help keep people out of hospital once they get it. And of course vaccines make a difference.
I think we have done well given the excellent hand we were played. Sure we are in lockdown now, and international travel is not on the cards now, but compare that to the likely 50k deaths we would have seen had we allowed it in, I think we are in a good position. Which of course is why this thread is so ridiculous.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:47 am

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:19 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:07 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

Being locked down is a national emergency. How are you not all vaccinated yet?


(Ps the over 40’s should cover it).

I know you refuse to acknowledge government figures, but according to Whitty, UK mortality rates of unvaccinated in their thirties is now at the same rate as those in their seventies who are vaccinated.

Easily proved message, go for it.

Edit

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ths-by-age

You’re taking shit

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:07 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.

To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.

Its not fair to compare Ireland or Australia to the U.K., the U.K. is a global trade centre it’s a behemoth with very high density and massive cultural issues - there is simply no fair comparison. Ireland did okay, we locked down much harder and longer than the U.K., I wouldn’t be patting us on the back. Our low density population is mostly what saved us. It’s too early for most people to accept it but we have to start looking at it as loss of quality adjusted life years and not deaths. If you look at the euromomo website for excess mortality by age you will see you interesting trends emerging.

It wad hospitalisations not death.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:58 am

It wad hospitalisations not death.

So I wasn’t talking bollocks and you were talking shit.


It’s shit on hospitalised as well.

Whitty pointed to data showing a similar trend for serious illness, adding that in every age bracket there is a “very substantially smaller” risk of being admitted to hospital with Covid if someone is vaccinated compared to those who are not jabbed.

He added: “If you just do a very crude look at the numbers, someone who is in their 30s and unvaccinated is running about the same risk as someone in their 70s who is vaccinated. It’s that level of difference.

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:58 am

It wad hospitalisations not death.

So I wasn’t talking bollocks and you were talking shit.


It’s shit on hospitalised as well.

You were talking bollocks as always.

No it isn't.

Whitty pointed to data showing a similar trend for serious illness, adding that in every age bracket there is a “very substantially smaller” risk of being admitted to hospital with Covid if someone is vaccinated compared to those who are not jabbed.

He added: “If you just do a very crude look at the numbers, someone who is in their 30s and unvaccinated is running about the same risk as someone in their 70s who is vaccinated. It’s that level of difference.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:09 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:58 am

It wad hospitalisations not death.

So I wasn’t talking bollocks and you were talking shit.


It’s shit on hospitalised as well.

You were talking bollocks as always.

No it isn't.

Whitty pointed to data showing a similar trend for serious illness, adding that in every age bracket there is a “very substantially smaller” risk of being admitted to hospital with Covid if someone is vaccinated compared to those who are not jabbed.

He added: “If you just do a very crude look at the numbers, someone who is in their 30s and unvaccinated is running about the same risk as someone in their 70s who is vaccinated. It’s that level of difference.

“Very crude number”

Isn’t how you measure risk. It’s all part of the fear theatre.

And I’ve posted the crude numbers, massively more 70-80’s are being admitted. They’re 90% plus vaccinated.

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:13 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:09 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:58 am

It wad hospitalisations not death.

So I wasn’t talking bollocks and you were talking shit.


It’s shit on hospitalised as well.

You were talking bollocks as always.

No it isn't.

Whitty pointed to data showing a similar trend for serious illness, adding that in every age bracket there is a “very substantially smaller” risk of being admitted to hospital with Covid if someone is vaccinated compared to those who are not jabbed.

He added: “If you just do a very crude look at the numbers, someone who is in their 30s and unvaccinated is running about the same risk as someone in their 70s who is vaccinated. It’s that level of difference.

“Very crude number”

Isn’t how you measure risk. It’s all part of the fear theatre.

And I’ve posted the crude numbers, massively more 70-80’s are being admitted. They’re 90% plus vaccinated.

Yeah, They're all lying, except he isn't is he? There are massively more being admitted, but that wasn't the comparison.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:16 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:13 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:09 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:58 am


So I wasn’t talking bollocks and you were talking shit.


It’s shit on hospitalised as well.

You were talking bollocks as always.

No it isn't.

Whitty pointed to data showing a similar trend for serious illness, adding that in every age bracket there is a “very substantially smaller” risk of being admitted to hospital with Covid if someone is vaccinated compared to those who are not jabbed.

He added: “If you just do a very crude look at the numbers, someone who is in their 30s and unvaccinated is running about the same risk as someone in their 70s who is vaccinated. It’s that level of difference.

“Very crude number”

Isn’t how you measure risk. It’s all part of the fear theatre.

And I’ve posted the crude numbers, massively more 70-80’s are being admitted. They’re 90% plus vaccinated.

Yeah, They're all lying, except he isn't is he? There are massively more being admitted, but that wasn't the comparison.

You lied about what he said on “deaths” on very crude numbers many more both in number and % of 70-80 year olds are being admitted to hospital (see the link above ).

“Very crude number” We are now guessing on what comparison he was referring to.

Any ideas of what you’ll make up and attribute next?

So you keep insisting on your comparison rather than the one I made? Pretty despicable.
Actually, deaths in the 40-50 age group amongst unvaccinated are higher than those vaccinated in the 60-70 age group too.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:21 pm

So you keep insisting on your comparison rather than the one I made? Pretty despicable.
Actually, deaths in the 40-50 age group amongst unvaccinated are higher than those vaccinated in the 60-70 age group too.

I’m only interested in the comparison you claim Whitty made.

You said deaths and meant hospitals....

You said 30’s , you meant 40-50 year olds.


You’re obfuscation is obvious and stupid.

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:28 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:21 pm

So you keep insisting on your comparison rather than the one I made? Pretty despicable.
Actually, deaths in the 40-50 age group amongst unvaccinated are higher than those vaccinated in the 60-70 age group too.

I’m only interested in the comparison you claim Whitty made.

You said deaths and meant hospitals....

You said 30’s , you meant 40-50 year olds.


You’re obfuscation is obvious and stupid.

Whitty showed that comparison too.
Try and get out of it, then. I corrected myself, which you are unwilling to accept. You're now lying, and refusing to accept any of the figures. Why?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... a4cbd47342

jambanja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?

jambanja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?

jambanja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:34 am

jambanja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?

The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:48 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:34 am

jambanja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?

The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.

And you'll see us criticising the length of our lockdown.

You chaps just get overly sensitive when criticism comes your way.

jambanja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:53 am

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:48 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:34 am

jambanja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?

The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.

And you'll see us criticising the length of our lockdown.

You chaps just get overly sensitive when criticism comes your way.

I must have missed the anti lockdown thread from the Irish, what’s it called fidillydee lockdoon ain’t no crack

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:18 am

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:07 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:00 am

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am We will, once we hit our vaccination targets, which was the plan from day dot.

What’s the target out of interest? We had quite a powerful self appointed SAGE group who controlled the media narrative to an extent. We had 5,000 deaths associated with a positive covid test in under two years. To put some context on that we have around 35-40,000 deaths a year from all causes. The increase is deaths is probably somewhere around 10% but as covid overwhelming affected the frail and elderly, particularly in nursing homes, we will probably see over 5 years that this figure brought forward some deaths by a few years - basically we need to wait to see how big the decline in the death rate is over 5 years.

To be fair, Ireland has done well. Compare that to the uk by population and you would have double that.
Our vaccine target is to begin ending lockdown at 70% vaccinated and open up to international flights at 80%. There won’t be a complete scrap of restrictions as there will be track, trace and isolate measures in place.
How many deaths is acceptable? Well none would be ideal but we know that won’t happen. Australia will see a few thousand. We have 170k deaths a year so a fraction of that is what will be lived with.

Its not fair to compare Ireland or Australia to the U.K., the U.K. is a global trade centre it’s a behemoth with very high density and massive cultural issues - there is simply no fair comparison. Ireland did okay, we locked down much harder and longer than the U.K., I wouldn’t be patting us on the back. Our low density population is mostly what saved us. It’s too early for most people to accept it but we have to start looking at it as loss of quality adjusted life years and not deaths. If you look at the euromomo website for excess mortality by age you will see you interesting trends emerging.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hs-tracker

Ireland has had low excess mortality. We were one of the most aggressive countries out there in counting Covid deaths.

Our younger population helped us as much as density.

The key to keeping deaths down though was protecting care homes in all truth. We were mediocre at that. We also made a virtue out of lockdowns vs. attempts to have a functioning society like the Danes did (opening up in April with a testing and vaccine passport like system, avoiding lockdowns as much as possible etc).

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:58 am

jambanja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:53 am

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:48 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:34 am

jambanja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?

The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.

And you'll see us criticising the length of our lockdown.

You chaps just get overly sensitive when criticism comes your way.

I must have missed the anti lockdown thread from the Irish, what’s it called fidillydee lockdoon ain’t no crack

You can read the original Covid thread or NAMA one for that. You can also read this commentary just yesterday after Aussies/Kiwis on here who couldn't handle some gentle ribbing relentlessly trolling grieving families in Ireland;

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:18 am

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am Its not fair to compare Ireland or Australia to the U.K., the U.K. is a global trade centre it’s a behemoth with very high density and massive cultural issues - there is simply no fair comparison. Ireland did okay, we locked down much harder and longer than the U.K., I wouldn’t be patting us on the back. Our low density population is mostly what saved us. It’s too early for most people to accept it but we have to start looking at it as loss of quality adjusted life years and not deaths. If you look at the euromomo website for excess mortality by age you will see you interesting trends emerging.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hs-tracker

Ireland has had low excess mortality. We were one of the most aggressive countries out there in counting Covid deaths.

Our younger population helped us as much as density.

The key to keeping deaths down though was protecting care homes in all truth. We were mediocre at that. We also made a virtue out of lockdowns vs. attempts to have a functioning society like the Danes did (opening up in April with a testing and vaccine passport like system, avoiding lockdowns as much as possible etc).

MungoMan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:15 am

You utter flog. Denmark has between a quarter and a fifth of Straya's population yet has recorded better than twice as many covid deaths.

Yep. We should do what they've been doing. So much winning.

If you were putting a bit of effort into your trolling you would have cited Norway (population c. 5.472 million, 841 covid deaths) rather than Denmark (population c. 5.816 million, 2,617 covid deaths).

Denmark and Iceland both saw an estimated fall of 1 per cent in excess deaths during the pandemic. The Danes in particular were widely lauded in Europe for their initial response and subsequent handling of the global health crisis.

The ABC understands three people were registered with the department as seeking help to return home when they died.

bimboman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:05 pm Mungo, if you were really going to pay attention you would tell us about Danish deaths post them dropping most measures.

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:22 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:05 pm Mungo, if you were really going to pay attention you would tell us about Danish deaths post them dropping most measures.

I believe that MM lives in a State that is refusing to follow the "national plan" and are pushing for ever higher vaccination rates. He will be quite happy to leave Australians stranded abroad, and to continuing to die, so long as he has the illusion of safety.

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:48 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:34 am

jambanja wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am Why are message and bimbot arguing about covid mortality rates in the UK on an Australian thread?

The NH have gone hilariously nuts on the Oz threads, if it’s not these two it’s members of the swarm misrepresenting our lockdown. What is funny is that I just assumed they didn’t have lockdowns over in Ireland, then I stumbled across an article about how they had one of the most through lockdowns in the NH.

And you'll see us criticising the length of our lockdown.

You chaps just get overly sensitive when criticism comes your way.

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:18 pm I see the Melbourne Premier shut down construction as revenge against construction workers. Seems like end of days stuff down there, the city with the longest lockdown in the world and violence on the streets. Hard and early doesn’t seem to have worked as well as some posters claimed.

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:18 pm I see the Melbourne Premier shut down construction as revenge against construction workers. Seems like end of days stuff down there, the city with the longest lockdown in the world and violence on the streets. Hard and early doesn’t seem to have worked as well as some posters claimed.

Both our families are well thank God, but we have been the lucky ones, even still, we feel trapped. In limbo. Praying that our turn won’t be next. Our toddler is now four years old and hasn’t seen her grannies and grandas since she was two. The feeling is one of going to work, coming home, bringing up our children, enjoying all Queensland has to offer – between lockdowns – and consistently wondering what that feeling is that something is wrong. We don’t feel right. We need to get home, to fill our buckets again.

I guess it’s now like what previous generations that emigrated experienced, they knew trips back to Ireland would be few and far between. Australia is a great place to live, great opportunities and a fantastic lifestyle but now it feels so detached from the rest of the world so isolated and our lives here now are like living in a bubble that cannot be burst.

My husband lost his job with an Asian company and was out of work for four months . The three children have home schooled for most of the year. I work in healthcare and returned to full time work. Financially we have survived but the hardest thing is not seeing my parents or family in Ireland and then not coming out. Australia is a great place as long as you know you can get home to family. Because of the state borders I can’t see my sister in NSW. One of the main reasons I came to Australia in the first place. Family is everything and Covid has reinforced this making me now question why I’m here.

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:45 am You won't see the likes of Sundy in here moaning, happy enough in Perth without family.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-sty ... -1.4680021

Both our families are well thank God, but we have been the lucky ones, even still, we feel trapped. In limbo. Praying that our turn won’t be next. Our toddler is now four years old and hasn’t seen her grannies and grandas since she was two. The feeling is one of going to work, coming home, bringing up our children, enjoying all Queensland has to offer – between lockdowns – and consistently wondering what that feeling is that something is wrong. We don’t feel right. We need to get home, to fill our buckets again.

I guess it’s now like what previous generations that emigrated experienced, they knew trips back to Ireland would be few and far between. Australia is a great place to live, great opportunities and a fantastic lifestyle but now it feels so detached from the rest of the world so isolated and our lives here now are like living in a bubble that cannot be burst.

My husband lost his job with an Asian company and was out of work for four months . The three children have home schooled for most of the year. I work in healthcare and returned to full time work. Financially we have survived but the hardest thing is not seeing my parents or family in Ireland and then not coming out. Australia is a great place as long as you know you can get home to family. Because of the state borders I can’t see my sister in NSW. One of the main reasons I came to Australia in the first place. Family is everything and Covid has reinforced this making me now question why I’m here.

Plenty of NZ comments there. The countries with the hardest border policies are going to find to attract high skilled emigrants for years to come. I guess the natural resources of Australia will help but nobody sane is going to be emigrating to the likes of China, NZ or Australia anytime soon.