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I have no issue of people coming and going. Itâs just I think if there are 30k people who canât get home, and we have locked our border, then we need to make sure not just the rich can come and go.towny wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 12:17 pmAustralia hasnât been a prison for over 100 years. If Alitaliaâs needs are to take a back seat, does that mean the government is going to nationalise them or do they just expected to run at a massive loss because Australiaâs own airline parked their fleet up?Farva wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 12:01 pm Oh yes, of course.
But with people not able to get home, why can others come and go. I tend to think if you come back to Australia, and then decide to leave, you need to go to the end of the queue.
I understand itâs supply and demand. My post was that I donât like that. This isnât normal times. Alitaliaâs needs to take a back seat to humanity right now. Well IMO.
Airlines are foreign owned entities and operate within our laws, but for their own profit. If it wasnât for business class we probably wouldnât have such affordable air travel in good times and probably wouldnât have any at all in times like these. The rich people, paying lots more for a little bit extra, are a good thing for all of us.
He's an idiot.
That went on for about nine pages. Good old PR pile-ons.That is some serious grudge holdingMog The Almighty wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 12:38 pmHe's an idiot.
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So am I but that's beside the point.Farva wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 12:42 pmThat is some serious grudge holdingMog The Almighty wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 12:38 pmHe's an idiot.
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For the record, spell wasnât exonerated. It was found that the evidence wasnât sufficient for a criminal conviction.
I am still of the opinion that the guy is dodgy.
It kills somewhere between 0.5% and 1% of those that get it
Did you want to know which hospital it was or are you just being you usual dickhead self?bimboman wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 11:25 amThomas wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 4:38 amMog is a walking, talking bag of shit. He's only a few more hours of listening to Rogan away from having a full meltdown.
My good family friend is a doctor in Michigan who runs an ICU in a small regional hospital. Since early last year all he has been doing is choosing who lives and dies. 14-16 hour days starting with him going over the charts deciding who they can treat and who they can't. Then he organises video link ups for family members so they can say their last goodbyes.
That's all he's been doing for a year.
But Mog got a headache. Lucky Mog.
Wow, how has this hospital where people donât get treated not made the news ?
So now the election is over and it looks like western civilization might survive for a little while, can we all please get back to panicking about the pandemic?
Iâm too tired to write this post eloquently, so Iâm just going to blurt it out.
I work in a small rural hospital in West Michigan. I look after 8 ICU beds and 24 general medicine beds. We could expand to another 8 if we had more nurses. Typically we have two docs, two or three Family Medicine (GP) residents, and a Nurse Practitioner or PA. We have a good ER, OR, Birth center, some cardiologists and a few other things. No dialysis. So Bundaberg or Burnie if youâre in Australia.
I just finished my 7th 12 hour day. It should have been my last, but Iâm going in tomorrow because weâre too busy. COVID is killing us and our community. About half of our inpatients have COVID. Some have been there 3 weeks. Three of them had massive PEs. One had a tension pneumothorax. Weâre running out of machines to supply oxygen (HFNC). Not ventilators, but other machines that keep patients off ventilators.
I have telephone discussions with family members about when to withdraw treatment or not. Discussions that should be in person, at the bedside.
We all spend all day donning and doffing PPE. I do it once or twice per patient. The nurses do it endlessly, so do the cleaners. We all ran to a code blue and had to stop at the door to find N95s because ourâs were back on the ward. We reuse extensively.
The treatment for COVID is fairly simple to prescribe. Itâs a lot of work for the nurses. And then just the endless waiting for improvements. 80% oxygen (FiO2) for days and days with no changes. Trying not to miss complications. Worrying about nutrition. You cant eat on BiPAP.
The striking feature of the patients is the despair. Despair and boredom. They just lie there all day, struggling to breathe, for 5, 11, 19 days. I can see the desperation and loneliness, but weâre all suited up and want to leave as soon as possible. We have video baby monitors to watch them from outside. Alone.
And hereâs the bad news. The last two weeks were the worst by far, and they are just the beginning. The projections here are for exponential growth, this week. We skipped the New York or Italy style disasters. But since then the community has used up a lot of their patience. The media has lost interest. People sacrificed a lot and are wondering if it helped. And despite the election, entering into what will be the most critical part of the pandemic, we still have a narcissistic sociopathic loser in charge, and he couldnât pour water out of his boots if the instructions were on the soles.
Itâs late, Iâm tired, and Iâm going back tomorrow for more.
Wear a mask.
As I said earlier, almost to a man the entire Aussie contingent is critical of Morrison and the current government. Personally, they are an utter bunch of wit kant. But this move to cancel flights from India obviously makes perfect sense. It's only a temporary measure and flights will reopen once India gets shit under control.Mog The Almighty wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:00 pmSo am I but that's beside the point.Farva wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 12:42 pmThat is some serious grudge holdingMog The Almighty wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 12:38 pmHe's an idiot.
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For the record, spell wasnât exonerated. It was found that the evidence wasnât sufficient for a criminal conviction.
I am still of the opinion that the guy is dodgy.
It's not grudge-holding. You'd just think the usual suspects, of which Thomas is certainly one of the more prominent, would think before gleefully belly-flopping onto the PR pile-ons regardless of what is actually being said or whether they've put any real thought into it themselves. I think the last one was suggesting that the vaccines were rushed, followed by about ten pages of name-calling and childish nonsense. Followed by a bunch of vaccines being withdrawn among safety concerns.
In this thread what I'm saying is simply 100% reasonable and rational: The Australian government barring entry -- and making it an imprison-able offence -- for Australian citizens in desperate need to return home to Australia is disgraceful.
The Liberals can apparently afford to drop (b?)millions on submarines and jet fighters, the need for which is extremely dubious. And apparently everything in Australia is rosy-as-can-be due to the overwhelming success of their strategy. Considering these things, then the Australian government should be reaching out to Australians in need, not hanging them out to dry and/or treating to imprison them. This kind of policy is nothing to be proud about, it's gross.
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that is widely acknowledged as a disgraceful policy, even possibly in the not-to-distant future. Will anyone here admit they were wrong if that happens?
A position which completely falls apart when there are a host of places, such as Hungary, New Jersey, New York, Czech Republic, etc that are approaching a case fatality rate of 0.3% of the total country population, or do you think 200% of the population have had Covid?
So in youâre opinion the west missed 100% of infections?
No, you're talking shit. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you just haven't read that thread as opposed to being intentionally dishonest. I'll clear it up for you:Farva wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:06 pm I think most of us agree itâs a shit policy.
That wasnât what you were saying. You stated Covid was not serious and because you only got a headache itâs not much of a risk.
You then make statements that itâs closer to the common cold but Australians treat it like the Black Death.
That is fundamentally wrong. You downplay the risks of the virus and you are rightly called out for it.
This is serious. It kills somewhere between 0.5% and 1% of those that get it. Itâs also incredibly infectious.
You arenât at much risk. Neither am I.
My step mother is (she is 75). So is my grandma (she is 98). These people matter to me. Letâs not belittle the virus.
Horseshit.bimboman wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 11:20 amTed. wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 12:34 amJust about the stupidest single post I have scene on the Coronavirus topic. Just about, because I am fairly certain that Mogg has probably uttered something more inanely tiresome and will have at least a decent crack at topping it.Mog The Almighty wrote: âSat May 01, 2021 5:47 amThe vast majority of Australians seem to think they are dealing with something between ebola and the black plague. I had a coronavirus. I had a headache for a day.Ali's Choice wrote: âSat May 01, 2021 5:44 amI think you'll find the vast majority of Australians would disagree with you Mog.Mog The Almighty wrote: âSat May 01, 2021 5:41 am Would a few cases slip by? Yes, probably. But it's really just not that big a deal.
Itâs not a stupid post if the discussion is about how proportionate a response is.
Hungary has a population of 9,639,899 and a total number of deaths from Covid of 27,802. 0.28% of the population has died from Covid in Hungary. Did everyone catch it twice?bimboman wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:22 pmSo in youâre opinion the west missed 100% of infections?
The WHO latest disagree. Youâre very selective on the science you do and donât like. Shall I get it written into an âarticleâ so you believe it?
Ted. wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:28 pmHorseshit.bimboman wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 11:20 amTed. wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 12:34 amJust about the stupidest single post I have scene on the Coronavirus topic. Just about, because I am fairly certain that Mogg has probably uttered something more inanely tiresome and will have at least a decent crack at topping it.Mog The Almighty wrote: âSat May 01, 2021 5:47 amThe vast majority of Australians seem to think they are dealing with something between ebola and the black plague. I had a coronavirus. I had a headache for a day.Ali's Choice wrote: âSat May 01, 2021 5:44 am
I think you'll find the vast majority of Australians would disagree with you Mog.
Itâs not a stupid post if the discussion is about how proportionate a response is.
Farva wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:30 pmHungary has a population of 9,639,899 and a total number of deaths from Covid of 27,802. 0.28% of the population has died from Covid in Hungary. Did everyone catch it twice?bimboman wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:22 pmSo in youâre opinion the west missed 100% of infections?
The WHO latest disagree. Youâre very selective on the science you do and donât like. Shall I get it written into an âarticleâ so you believe it?
Sure.bimboman wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:31 pmFarva wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:30 pmHungary has a population of 9,639,899 and a total number of deaths from Covid of 27,802. 0.28% of the population has died from Covid in Hungary. Did everyone catch it twice?bimboman wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:22 pmSo in youâre opinion the west missed 100% of infections?
The WHO latest disagree. Youâre very selective on the science you do and donât like. Shall I get it written into an âarticleâ so you believe it?
âOf â and âwithâ you melt.
Ffs up to 40% of the infections in the U.K. occured in hospitals
Farva wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:35 pmSure.bimboman wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:31 pmFarva wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:30 pmHungary has a population of 9,639,899 and a total number of deaths from Covid of 27,802. 0.28% of the population has died from Covid in Hungary. Did everyone catch it twice?
âOf â and âwithâ you melt.
Ffs up to 40% of the infections in the U.K. occured in hospitals
That doesnât make the IFR between 0.12% and 0.15% when more than that have died already OUT OF THE TOTAL POPULATION and not everyone has had it yet.
Quite the opposite. You're a terrible person. A genuine 100% shitcunt excuse for a man. Possibly one of the worst people on this board and a reason why a lot of people don't come stay here.
Thomas wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 1:51 pmQuite the opposite. You're a terrible person. A genuine 100% shitcunt excuse for a man. Possibly one of the worst people on this board and a reason why a lot of people don't come stay here.
You're message board herpes.
, nothing like the passion of a convert..... So horrible that you interacted for years with me and had no issues, but thatâs just your level of current memory loss,
To be fair, he should be publicly shamed for not using a pandemic as an excuse to avoid getting married.Blackrock Bullet wrote: âSat May 01, 2021 12:29 pmI do understand the issue.Farva wrote: âSat May 01, 2021 12:12 pm Labelling a country racist without any understanding of the issue just demonstrates you donât have a clue.
Covid cases in hotel quarantine have skyrocketed. They are all coming from India. This is a huge risk to Australia. It is not a racist policy in any way. You are completely wrong here.
Whether it is a reasonable policy is a different story.
You being a dickhead is entirely accurate.
I saw the reaction in Perth. A man who entered a quarantine facility was publicly shamed for going to get married for when it leaked out.
The ban on travellers from India is absolutely racist. The reaction of the WA Premier was dog whistling
A person went home for an essential reason, to get married. On return, WAâs Premier blamed this man for his own inept system.Mr McGowan was scathing of the person who went to India for a wedding.
âItâs not OK,â he said.
âIf you want to go overseas, it should be for only the most extraordinary of reasons at this point in time.
âNot to go overseas for a wedding. Even to go overseas for a funeral.
âWe have to be a lot tougher in relation to letting people out of Australia at this point in time.â
This is all after there was a rise in racism directed towards Asian Australianâs last year because of Covid.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.abc.net ... e/12834324"It just happens it's China's turn again."
Earlier this year, the ABC was contacted by hundreds of people who shared their experiences of discrimination during the pandemic.
Asian Australians, particularly of Chinese heritage, reported an increase in abuse and racist attacks because the coronavirus was first detected in China.
The Premier knew what he was at. Indians are the next easy target.
When it comes to Australia and other countries during Covid, the behaviour towards certain nations is telling. Chinese and Japanese travellers were put on Christmas Island for a period. Travellers from India are called out by politicians and now travel is banned. There are some pathetic attempts here to weasel out of that.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguar ... ear-factorThe UK and US were also responsible for a greater share of overseas acquired cases in Australia at the height of their outbreaks, according to data released by the New South Wales health department.
In NSW, 41% of Covid-19 cases acquired overseas in December were from the United States.
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NSW Health has released data on overseas acquired infections by source country since November. Examining the past five months, it can be seen that India, the UK and the US all had similar numbers of resident returns in the past year â 11,760 then 12,510 and 10,990 respectively.
But significantly more residents returned from the United Kingdom and the United States over the three months to January than from India.
The data from leading epidemiologists shows it as racist.
It's not a personal attack - chill FFSBrumbie_Steve wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 8:48 amand you base this on what exactly? What is it that you expect that they can do?Pat the Ex Mat wrote: âSun May 02, 2021 2:34 am I'm in a mixed mind at this response.
It's probably correct but also completely necessary due to the Feds Bungling of Covid from day 1.
The Vaccine Rollout is a shambles - I am not confident that overseas Australians are getting the support they need from the Consulates.
As for Racism? Sadly, it does still exist in bigger pockets that most of us would be comfortable with.
An action might take the form of an application for judicial review of a decisionmaker's discretionary exercise of a power under legislation. It might take the form of challenge to the constitutional validity of this or that provision of the legislation. Or both, conceivably.Ali's Choice wrote: âMon May 03, 2021 1:20 am Hopefully someone will take these new rules to court to see if they are constitutional.
The name!A Betoota-native who gave up his dreams to play for the Queensland Bulls two years ago by signing on to play in the Indian Premier League is now wondering if he can still come home or if this new travel ban with the subcontinent only applies to Indian people but have an Australian passport.
âItâs a genuine noodle-scratcher,â said Francis Dollarhyde, a genuine all-rounder whoâs currently on the bench at the Delhi Capitals.
, youâre so clever counting man.