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This whole returnees business has been mishandled.

The Govt should've underwritten commercial flights during the lockdown period last year. Passengers still pay normal fare. Must be tested and quarantined 24 hrs before boarding.

Give it 6 months. Then a travel ban until virus is controlled per country.

les@mooloolaba wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:12 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:00 pm Should be locked out tbh. There waa enough time to come back. The problems post lockdown were returnees.

Nailed it

"Nailed it". ffs

Locking Australian citizens out of their own country because you have zero intention of sharing the load and/or have some political agenda is a pathetically ballness move and the morons cheering it on a simply scared, selfish pricks (no offence).

Returnees could be very easily and efficiently handled. Self-quarantine until you can either prove i) vaccination, ii) anti-bodies or iii) negative test result. It's not that f-cking difficult.

I don't mean any of that to sound callous toward India who are obviously doing it tough. But they're also obviously in completely different situation than Australia with billions of people living in poverty and squalor. And the right thing for Australia to do would be to help Australians who maybe stuck there.

Thomas wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:10 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:05 am Nah ... the Australian government are not having an hysterical draconian over-reaction to this pandemic at all.

As you were lads, resume circle-jerk positions and keep wanking.

I've got tickets to the Super Rugby AU final next weekend. Probably going to be 50K people there.

Seems to me that the hysterical draconian over-reaction is working.

And you're cheering-on not letting Australian citizens home who are in desperate situations overseas?

Could you actually have your head any further up your own arsehole? How pathetic.

Enjoy your beers.

Thomas wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:10 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:05 am Nah ... the Australian government are not having an hysterical draconian over-reaction to this pandemic at all.

As you were lads, resume circle-jerk positions and keep wanking.

I've got tickets to the Super Rugby AU final next weekend. Probably going to be 50K people there.

Seems to me that the hysterical draconian over-reaction is working.

But they're not the only ones stranded.
You'd have to think about those 30,000 will bring the virus and we're back to full lockdown. No mentioning of the new strain. India should definitely be banned. You're guaranteed that they'll bring the new strain.

Not to mention that the Govt has blown it's credit card on the last lockdown. Don't think, they have any left for another. If you don't lockdown the bodies will pile up. If you do, then you need to double Govt debt.


Or we could just ban India.

Hmmm which would you choose?

UncleFB wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:31 am

Thomas wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:10 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:05 am Nah ... the Australian government are not having an hysterical draconian over-reaction to this pandemic at all.

As you were lads, resume circle-jerk positions and keep wanking.

I've got tickets to the Super Rugby AU final next weekend. Probably going to be 50K people there.

Seems to me that the hysterical draconian over-reaction is working.

Out of curiosity, is that emoticon because you think that was a "good comeback" or because he's smugly stated something that is nauseatingly selfish and cowardly as if it were actually a good thing?

Thomas wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 3:14 am

mabunch78 wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:42 am He got one thing right, Australians on here are not batting an eyelid.

Almost to a man most Australians on here all agree that our government is a literal walking bag of shit. But suspending flights from a country that appears to be exploding with COVID is probably a good move.

Sure, it could be seen at selfish but this morning both my sons played rugby for their schools and life is essentially normal. I don't want that jeopardised by letting plane loads of people from the viral epicentre come into the country.

I'm sure when India gets shit under control they'll let planes back in.

The Indian Australians (Indians who became Oz citizens) I know are very supportive of shutting up shop because they know how lax things are over there.

The fact is that if things kicked off in NZ the bubble would shut pretty quickly so it's not like India is a special case.

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:26 am Returnees could be very easily and efficiently handled. Self-quarantine until you can either prove i) vaccination, ii) anti-bodies or iii) negative test result. It's not that f-cking difficult.

Self-quarantine

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:32 am But they're not the only ones stranded.
You'd have to think about those 30,000 will bring the virus and we're back to full lockdown. No mentioning of the new strain. India should definitely be banned. You're guaranteed that they'll bring the new strain.

Not to mention that the Govt has blown it's credit card on the last lockdown. Don't think, they have any left for another. If you don't lockdown the bodies will pile up. If you do, then you need to double Govt debt.


Or we could just ban India.

Hmmm which would you choose?

Mate, Sweden is a tiny little country with less than half the population of Australia and a fraction of the economic resources and we were getting 30,000 new cases every single day for a while. No, that's not a good thing, the point is that if little Sweden could handle that just fine, I'm sure Australia could organise themselves to care for their own citizens.

There's would be ways to do that safely. By allowing them in a slow, measured rate combined with testing and quarantines. Would a few cases slip by? Yes, probably. But it's really just not that big a deal. The reason that they do not do this is purely based in gutless politics. The frightened masses back home are worth more politically than a few brown-skinned citizens overseas.

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:33 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:31 am

Thomas wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:10 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:05 am Nah ... the Australian government are not having an hysterical draconian over-reaction to this pandemic at all.

As you were lads, resume circle-jerk positions and keep wanking.

I've got tickets to the Super Rugby AU final next weekend. Probably going to be 50K people there.

Seems to me that the hysterical draconian over-reaction is working.

Out of curiosity, is that emoticon because you think that was a "good comeback" or because he's smugly stated something that is nauseatingly selfish and cowardly as if it were actually a good thing?

I don't block anyone but I'm actually getting pretty close with you and your boring arse shit about how we've been handling the pandemic down here - low death rates, economies haven't tanked like you wanted them to, travel bubble between Oz and NZ moving along, attendance at public event with low risk etc.

Why the fvck should we risk all that just because you throw out words like hysterical and draconian in relation to shutting down flights from a place that is kicking off? It's common sense.

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:41 am Would a few cases slip by? Yes, probably. But it's really just not that big a deal.

I think you'll find the vast majority of Australians would disagree with you Mog.

Thomas wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:35 am Sure, it could be seen at selfish but this morning both my sons played rugby for their schools and life is essentially normal. I don't want that jeopardised by letting plane loads of people from the viral epicentre come into the country.

Sure wouldn't want you having my back if we were in the trenches instead of fighting an eminently survivable and relatively benign virus.

And to be clear, nobody is suggesting an unchecked free-for-all from India. So don't float moronic ideas as if they are the only alternative. You do realize that Australia has locked out it's own citizens for literally almost a year? There's been Australia citizens effectively couch-surfing and homeless in foreign nations that haven't been allowed in the gutless Australian government can make some political point, cheered-on by morons on Facebook with the Australian flag in their background of their profile picture who have never been out of the country bar a piss-up in Bali. It's pathetic and yes, it "could be seen as selfish", you're absolutely correct about that.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:44 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:41 am Would a few cases slip by? Yes, probably. But it's really just not that big a deal.

I think you'll find the vast majority of Australians would disagree with you Mog.

The vast majority of Australians seem to think they are dealing with something between ebola and the black plague. I had a coronavirus. I had a headache for a day.

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:45 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:35 am Sure, it could be seen at selfish but this morning both my sons played rugby for their schools and life is essentially normal. I don't want that jeopardised by letting plane loads of people from the viral epicentre come into the country.

Sure wouldn't want you having my back if we were in the trenches instead of fighting an eminently survivable and relatively benign virus.

And to be clear, nobody is suggesting an unchecked free-for-all from India. So don't float moronic ideas as if they are the only alternative. You do realize that Australia has locked out it's own citizens for literally almost a year? There's been Australia citizens effectively couch-surfing and homeless in foreign nations that haven't been allowed in the gutless Australian government can make some political point. It's pathetic and yes, it "could be seen as selfish", you're absolutely correct about that.

Could you quote better please? I fear my Mum might read this thread and wonder why I've been hiding the existence of Grandchildren from her.

Sweden's covid deaths is 14k, Australia is around 900. At Sweden's rate, Australia would 35k deaths, not to mention the fact that it's a compounding problem.

I don't think anyone wants that.

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:50 am Sweden's covid deaths is 14k, Australia is around 900. At Sweden's rate, Australia would 35k deaths, not to mention the fact that it's a compounding problem.

I don't think anyone wants that.

That's irrelevant, MOG only got a headache.

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:47 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:44 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:41 am Would a few cases slip by? Yes, probably. But it's really just not that big a deal.

I think you'll find the vast majority of Australians would disagree with you Mog.

The vast majority of Australians seem to think they are dealing with something between ebola and the black plague. I had a coronavirus. I had a headache for a day.

So you're in the 'it's like the flu' camp? I'm sure the families of the five thousand Indians who died yesterday from COVID-19, and whose loved ones are being cremated in mass pits in public parks because the crematoriums cannot keep up with demand, will be comforted by the fact that you only had minor symptoms

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:50 am Sweden's covid deaths is 14k, Australia is around 900. At Sweden's rate, Australia would 35k deaths, not to mention the fact that it's a compounding problem.

I don't think anyone wants that.

Firstly, no it wouldn't. Australia doesn't have to deal with the virus as gateway to Northern Europe in the middle of a long, cold winter. They two countries are in completely different situations.

Secondly don't float idiotic alternatives as if they're the only option. Nobody is suggesting Australia eats 35K covid deaths as if that's the default alternative.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:52 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:47 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:44 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:41 am Would a few cases slip by? Yes, probably. But it's really just not that big a deal.

I think you'll find the vast majority of Australians would disagree with you Mog.

The vast majority of Australians seem to think they are dealing with something between ebola and the black plague. I had a coronavirus. I had a headache for a day.

So you're in the 'it's like the flu' camp? I'm sure the families of the five thousand Indians who died yesterday from COVID-19, and whose loved ones are being cremated in mass pits in public parks because the crematoriums cannot keep up with demand, will be comforted by the fact that you only had minor symptoms

Oh fudge off your pretentious prick. If you actually gave two f-cks about any of those people more than how much you can leverage their misery to back up a selfish and poorly-though out political stance on an anonymous chat forum, you'd be campaigning the Australian government to do the right thing by Australia citizens who are stuck there.

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:53 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:50 am Sweden's covid deaths is 14k, Australia is around 900. At Sweden's rate, Australia would 35k deaths, not to mention the fact that it's a compounding problem.

I don't think anyone wants that.

Firstly, no it wouldn't. Australia doesn't have to deal with the virus as gateway to Northern Europe in the middle of a long, cold winter. They two countries are in completely different situations.

Secondly don't float idiotic alternatives as if they're the only option. Nobody is suggesting Australia eats 35K covid deaths as if that's the default alternative.

Even 1k deaths is too much. Enough for a hard lockdown of 4 months if we're going by the standard of last year.

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:55 am Oh fudge off your pretentious prick. If you actually gave two f-cks about any of those people more than how much you can leverage their misery to back up a selfish and poorly-though out political stance on an anonymous chat forum, you'd be campaigning the Australian government to do the right thing by Australia citizens who are stuck there.

You're the one saying that Covid-19 is like the flu, and boasting about how minor your symptoms are. I'm simply pointing out that's it's much deadlier and more contagious than the flu. The fact that you're still talking about "self-quarantine" for overseas arrivals shows how out of touch with reality you are.

I don't want anyone coming to Australia from India until the situation there stabilizes. We've got plenty of Australians to repatriate from other countries in the meantime. Of course we're struggling to bring these people home because the Federal govt is incompetent and can't organise anything.

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:59 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:53 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:50 am Sweden's covid deaths is 14k, Australia is around 900. At Sweden's rate, Australia would 35k deaths, not to mention the fact that it's a compounding problem.

I don't think anyone wants that.

Firstly, no it wouldn't. Australia doesn't have to deal with the virus as gateway to Northern Europe in the middle of a long, cold winter. They two countries are in completely different situations.

Secondly don't float idiotic alternatives as if they're the only option. Nobody is suggesting Australia eats 35K covid deaths as if that's the default alternative.

Even 1k deaths is too much. Enough for a hard lockdown of 4 months if we're going by the standard of last year.

This is just a demonstration of how completely clueless and shit people are at analysing this. No offence again, you're not the only one.

Do you know how many people the flu kills in Australia every year? While you're Googling that, keep in mind that it includes are high percentage of babies and children who are, unlike corona, particularly susceptible.

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:58 pm The Australian Federal Government are now moving it to be a criminal offence for an Australian to return from India.

For the first time in history, the Australian government could make it illegal for Australian citizens in other countries to return home.

Nine News understands the Federal Government is considering invoking sweeping powers under the Biosecurity Act, which would mean from as early as midnight tomorrow, it would be a crime for anyone to return to Australia if they have been in a high-risk country 14 days prior to arriving.

The act empowers Health Minister Greg Hunt to do whatever is necessary to stop the spread of a listed disease.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coron ... ca0bf51cc5

Lot's of people ignored Australia's human rights abuses all in the name of public health and pints, can that go on? What kind of country locks out its own citizens indefinitely and shows barely contained racism towards India and Indians like we saw in Perth during the week? Where are the basic values?

Thought it was to be reviewed on the 15th May?

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:03 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:55 am Oh fudge off your pretentious prick. If you actually gave two f-cks about any of those people more than how much you can leverage their misery to back up a selfish and poorly-though out political stance on an anonymous chat forum, you'd be campaigning the Australian government to do the right thing by Australia citizens who are stuck there.

You're the one saying that Covid-19 is like the flu, and boasting about how minor your symptoms are. I'm simply pointing out that's it's much deadlier and more contagious than the flu. The fact that you're still talking about "self-quarantine" for overseas arrivals shows how out of touch with reality you are.

I don't want anyone coming to Australia from India until the situation there stabilizes. We've got plenty of Australians to repatriate from other countries in the meantime. Of course we're struggling to bring these people home because the Federal govt is incompetent and can't organise anything.

A couple of quick points before I actually start doing something productive with my day:

My point was not "it's just the flu". My point was it's about 98-thousand-miles closer to the flu than it is to ebola. But no, while close, it's not exactly the same as the flu, it's more dangerous.

Nobody is suggesting an unchecked free-for-all from India. It's perfectly possible to manage all this without your worst-case-scenario hypotheticals being the only alternative. Australia has been locking it's own citizens out for almost 12 months.

Is self quarantine iron-clad? No. But guess what? nothing is. It's a proportional response to an eminently survivable disease for which the average age of death is 82 with 4 co-morbidity factors. It's still a serious pandemic of course and anyone found breaking that quarantine should be heavily fined.

There's a degree of social and economic upheaval that we are willing to accept for everything. Car accidents, smoking, the flu. Locking out Australian citizens from their own country, many who are in desperate situations, for ~12 months simply is a draconian, politically motivated shit-show, and cheering it on in the face of a global pandemic is a scared, selfish-cvnt of a move.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:03 am
You're the one saying that Covid-19 is like the flu, and boasting about how minor your symptoms are. I'm simply pointing out that's it's much deadlier and more contagious than the flu. The fact that you're still talking about "self-quarantine" for overseas arrivals shows how out of touch with reality you are.

I don't want anyone coming to Australia from India until the situation there stabilizes. We've got plenty of Australians to repatriate from other countries in the meantime. Of course we're struggling to bring these people home because the Federal govt is incompetent and can't organise anything.

With Ali on this one and I am the biggest advocate for Aussies right of return. The virus is mutating and is probably more lethal and contagious (not an expert). Why jeopardise all the sacrifices and the enviable position Australia is in now?

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:13 am A couple of quick points before I actually start doing something productive with my day:

My point was not "it's just the flu". My point was it's about 98-thousand-miles closer to the flu than it is to ebola. But no, while close, it's not exactly the same as the flu, it's more dangerous.

Nobody is suggesting an unchecked free-for-all from India. It's perfectly possible to manage all this without your worst-case-scenario hypotheticals being the only alternative. Australia has been locking it's own citizens out for almost 12 months.

Is self quarantine iron-clad? No. But guess what? nothing is. It's a proportional response to am eminently survivable disease for which the average age of death is 82 with 4 co-morbidity factors. It's still a serious pandemic of course and anyone found breaking that quarantine should be heavily fined.

There's a degree of social and economic upheaval that we are willing to accept for everything. Car accidents, smoking, the flu. Locking out Australian citizens from their own country, many who are in desperate situations, for ~12 months simply is a draconian, politically motivated shit-show.

IMO, let's agree to disagree? At the moment life is good in Australia. Our economy is bigger than it was pre-COVID-19 and our unemployment rate is lower. Across all states we are living life freely. Whilst I feel bad for Australians who are trying to return from aboard, I certainly don't want an open-door policy with returnees. And I laugh at your suggestion of self-quarantine. That's a joke. I want inbound travel to be controlled through hotel quarantine and that means only 5-7K people per week can enter the country. That's all we can currently process safely. I suspect 99% of Australians share my sentiment.

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:04 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:59 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:53 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:50 am Sweden's covid deaths is 14k, Australia is around 900. At Sweden's rate, Australia would 35k deaths, not to mention the fact that it's a compounding problem.

I don't think anyone wants that.

Firstly, no it wouldn't. Australia doesn't have to deal with the virus as gateway to Northern Europe in the middle of a long, cold winter. They two countries are in completely different situations.

Secondly don't float idiotic alternatives as if they're the only option. Nobody is suggesting Australia eats 35K covid deaths as if that's the default alternative.

Even 1k deaths is too much. Enough for a hard lockdown of 4 months if we're going by the standard of last year.

This is just a demonstration of how completely clueless and shit people are at analysing this. No offence again, you're not the only one.

Do you know how many people the flu kills in Australia every year? While you're Googling that, keep in mind that it includes are high percentage of babies and children who are, unlike corona, particularly susceptible.

You're on a burning platform here, Mog.

Face facts. Your home country got it right, and your adopted country got it wrong.

I'm a beneficiary of that.

Can I have your old bedroom?

Thomas wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:10 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:05 am Nah ... the Australian government are not having an hysterical draconian over-reaction to this pandemic at all.

As you were lads, resume circle-jerk positions and keep wanking.

I've got tickets to the Super Rugby AU final next weekend. Probably going to be 50K people there.

Seems to me that the hysterical draconian over-reaction is working.

Sing Hallelujah!

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:52 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:47 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:44 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:41 am Would a few cases slip by? Yes, probably. But it's really just not that big a deal.

I think you'll find the vast majority of Australians would disagree with you Mog.

The vast majority of Australians seem to think they are dealing with something between ebola and the black plague. I had a coronavirus. I had a headache for a day.

So you're in the 'it's like the flu' camp? I'm sure the families of the five thousand Indians who died yesterday from COVID-19, and whose loved ones are being cremated in mass pits in public parks because the crematoriums cannot keep up with demand, will be comforted by the fact that you only had minor symptoms

Why exaggerate the death numbers in India ? Why isn’t Australia banning people returning from France ? Where there’s more infection and death per capita than India ?


Laughing at the progressives cheering on this nonsense.

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:48 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:52 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:47 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:44 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:41 am Would a few cases slip by? Yes, probably. But it's really just not that big a deal.

I think you'll find the vast majority of Australians would disagree with you Mog.

The vast majority of Australians seem to think they are dealing with something between ebola and the black plague. I had a coronavirus. I had a headache for a day.

So you're in the 'it's like the flu' camp? I'm sure the families of the five thousand Indians who died yesterday from COVID-19, and whose loved ones are being cremated in mass pits in public parks because the crematoriums cannot keep up with demand, will be comforted by the fact that you only had minor symptoms

Why exaggerate the death numbers in India ? Why isn’t Australia banning people returning from France ? Where there’s more infection and death per capita than India ?


Laughing at the progressives cheering on this nonsense.

Oh joy, Dominic Cummings has arrived.

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:01 pm

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:31 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:23 pm Wow. If only this wasn’t simply a thought bubble that has been widely condemned as unconstitutional and probably unlawful

But carry on with the pearl clutching about human rights

This is from Australian Humanist of the Year 2014 and leading international human rights lawyer on Australia’s border policy

"International law recognises the strong bond between individuals and their homeland and no respectable government would impose travel caps to prevent, for over a year, its citizens from returning if they are prepared to do quarantine,” he said..

In response Australia have no grounded flights from just India, which is even more bizarre given that the Indian variant is not considered a VOC. It appears that naked racism won the day there.

It’s weird

I had you pegged as a smart, sensible poster

Then you come out with ridiculous shit like this.

Anyhoo, see you later.

And I had you pegged as a smart, sensible poster.

Then I saw who you had pegged as smart and sensible. My world has been turned upside down.

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:29 am
Enjoy your beers.

Will do, man. Might even pop down to the pub. All I have to do is check in at the venue using the state government COVID tracking app and ask the kind bartender for a tall frosty one.

I won't have too many though because my youngest has club rugby tomorrow morning along with a couple of thousand other young boys.

UncleFB wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:35 am

Thomas wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 3:14 am

mabunch78 wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:42 am He got one thing right, Australians on here are not batting an eyelid.

Almost to a man most Australians on here all agree that our government is a literal walking bag of shit. But suspending flights from a country that appears to be exploding with COVID is probably a good move.

Sure, it could be seen at selfish but this morning both my sons played rugby for their schools and life is essentially normal. I don't want that jeopardised by letting plane loads of people from the viral epicentre come into the country.

I'm sure when India gets shit under control they'll let planes back in.

The Indian Australians (Indians who became Oz citizens) I know are very supportive of shutting up shop because they know how lax things are over there.

The fact is that if things kicked off in NZ the bubble would shut pretty quickly so it's not like India is a special case.

Indeed.

There's also the fact that our government, however clueless they are, repeatedly begged Australians living overseas to come home before it got worse. Those that could...did. Sad that some are stuck overseas but that's life. Hope they are okay.

The Australian government has trampled on the rights of some of its citizens (like me) to protect the lives of other Australian citizens (like Thomas).

I don't like it one bit. But what's the alternative? The world losing a comic genius is too big a cross for me to bear.

Choices are all about trade-offs and we all have to make them every day. The government has made a choice most Australians (including me) think is the right one, regardless of how big the price seems to be.

Narendra Modi has farked his nation up, holding huge political rallies, but some of his fellow Hindus have aided and abetted him, some of those farking religious practices are just stupid under the current environment.

We should take care of our own citizens, those here, and those there, to the maximum extent possible. Unfortunately those currently in India are stuck there. Not our fault, the Indian Government's fault.

Blame them.

wamberal wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:13 am Narendra Modi has farked his nation up, holding huge political rallies, but some of his fellow Hindus have aided and abetted him, some of those farking religious practices are just stupid under the current environment.

We should take care of our own citizens, those here, and those there, to the maximum extent possible. Unfortunately those currently in India are stuck there. Not our fault, the Indian Government's fault.

Blame them.

It was inevitable that India was going to get smashed. A lot of people living in close proximity in a humid environment.

Modi is a prized cnut though. No doubt about it.

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:35 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:04 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:59 am

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:53 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:50 am Sweden's covid deaths is 14k, Australia is around 900. At Sweden's rate, Australia would 35k deaths, not to mention the fact that it's a compounding problem.

I don't think anyone wants that.

Firstly, no it wouldn't. Australia doesn't have to deal with the virus as gateway to Northern Europe in the middle of a long, cold winter. They two countries are in completely different situations.

Secondly don't float idiotic alternatives as if they're the only option. Nobody is suggesting Australia eats 35K covid deaths as if that's the default alternative.

Even 1k deaths is too much. Enough for a hard lockdown of 4 months if we're going by the standard of last year.

This is just a demonstration of how completely clueless and shit people are at analysing this. No offence again, you're not the only one.

Do you know how many people the flu kills in Australia every year? While you're Googling that, keep in mind that it includes are high percentage of babies and children who are, unlike corona, particularly susceptible.

You're on a burning platform here, Mog.

Face facts. Your home country got it right, and your adopted country got it wrong.

I'm a beneficiary of that.

Can I have your old bedroom?

Farva wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:37 am I don’t agree it’s better to make use of existing facilities. Hotels have fundamental flaws when used for quarantining a highly infectious virus.

And the staffing issues are a non issue. Have people working an 8 week cycle. 4 on, 2 in quarantine, 2 off. We manage fly in fly out for the mines, why not now. Sure wages will be higher but it’s a lot less than shutting down 2 million people for 3 days every couple of months.

I understand the case for dedicated facilities, particularly as this global pandemic might need to be managed for some years. The next, well can't think about that right now.

But I feel that you use the resources you have at hand to capacity. In AUS and NZ it has worked really well, despite the sniping from the sidelines.

Remember, using hotels to quarantine keeps that industry alive in a situation they would otherwise instantly fall over, having to be mothballed, etc.

I didn't listen carefully but VIC's dedicated quarantine facility proposal for incoming students might have merit as they are coming in for one purpose and don't require comfortable treatment - a barrack quarantine facility mimics university dorms anyway.

This has merit because all the rich people in the world will be looking to sent their little ones somewhere safe to learn how to screw the world. Once they're in, they're in, and it would also draw numbers of high level teaching staff to our place too, maybe even long term.

NZ and AUS can really capitalise here.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:32 am Australians and Kiwis have sacrificed a lot to gain the circumstances we are enjoying now... free of Covid.

It’s not an issue for us outside of managed quarantine and voluntary contact tracing.

Not an issue.

Do we want our fellow citizens home with us?

Yes.

Do we want our governments to do more to get them home?

Yes, particularly in Australia.

How could that be managed with regard to the current escalating situation in India?

That’s the million dollar question... but to my mind, considering the high likelihood of contagious travellers from the subcontinent and the numbers of those people involved, a mass evacuation and quarantine solution is manageable using existing detention facilities like Christmas Island... because all travellers would be coming from a hotspot and segregation en masse is a different beast with those people than it is with arrivals from varied ports of origin. Additionally, the government is flying supplies off shore and those planes return empty. There are seats available.

We could do this. We just need the happy clapping fucktard in chief to get out of the way and let it happen.

The Coronacast podcast suggests that Oz sending vaccines to embassies for Oz citizens as an option, which would allow them to increase the numbers of returnees.

I assume the govt want to avoid sending people to the former detention facilities - when you think of some of the meltdowns from people in 4 star hotels they'll likely riot.

UncleFB wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:44 am

guy smiley wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:32 am Australians and Kiwis have sacrificed a lot to gain the circumstances we are enjoying now... free of Covid.

It’s not an issue for us outside of managed quarantine and voluntary contact tracing.

Not an issue.

Do we want our fellow citizens home with us?

Yes.

Do we want our governments to do more to get them home?

Yes, particularly in Australia.

How could that be managed with regard to the current escalating situation in India?

That’s the million dollar question... but to my mind, considering the high likelihood of contagious travellers from the subcontinent and the numbers of those people involved, a mass evacuation and quarantine solution is manageable using existing detention facilities like Christmas Island... because all travellers would be coming from a hotspot and segregation en masse is a different beast with those people than it is with arrivals from varied ports of origin. Additionally, the government is flying supplies off shore and those planes return empty. There are seats available.

We could do this. We just need the happy clapping fucktard in chief to get out of the way and let it happen.

The Coronacast podcast suggests that Oz sending vaccines to embassies for Oz citizens as an option, which would allow them to increase the numbers of returnees.

I assume the govt want to avoid sending people to the former detention facilities - when you think of some of the meltdowns from people in 4 star hotels they'll likely riot.

It's probably cheaper to send people to the hotels tbf. I don't think the issue is the lack of beds.
Sending vaccines to the embassies would be a good idea in theory, but in reality Australia will be the last place in the world to organise vaccines for its own residents.