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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4556528

Yet another in a long list of scumbag moves by the British.
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About time we looked after ours.
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I know why the sun never sets on the British Empire: God wouldn't trust an Englishman in the dark.
Shashi Tharoor certainly has a point
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Just so I'm clear, the report suggests that any statutes of limitations won't apply for war crimes genocide or torture - does the extrajudicial killing of civilians not count as a potential war crime, or are the troubles not counted as a war (c.f. Malayan 'emergency')?
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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:22 am https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4556528

Yet another in a long list of scumbag moves by the British.
And you are surprised, why...???
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The Sun God wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:12 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:22 am https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4556528

Yet another in a long list of scumbag moves by the British.
And you are surprised, why...???
I ascribed a tone of resignation rather than surprise
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Reports also suggested that the British government intends to institute a South African style truth and reconciliation commission.
Good luck with that. :lol:
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Leinsterman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:18 am
Reports also suggested that the British government intends to institute a South African style truth and reconciliation commission.
Good luck with that. :lol:
Aye. This would be something I'd actually support in principle, if we had any chance of it not being a whitewash.

Think that going after individual soldiers/volunteers (if I use vernacular correctly) not actually getting to the depth of the issue or holding the prime movers to account. And that's on all 'sides' of the situation.
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A shit sandwich all round.

Any amnesty / statute of limitations for any lawbreakers sits extremely uncomfortably with most right thinking people.

How do we practicably draw a line under the past and move forward without upsetting a lot of victims and their families?

At some point we will have to do so. Do we leave it until everyone affected is dead?
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MungoMan wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:14 am
The Sun God wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:12 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:22 am https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4556528

Yet another in a long list of scumbag moves by the British.
And you are surprised, why...???
I ascribed a tone of resignation rather than surprise
Our British friends have a long history of breaking their word when dealing with Ireland....same shit, different day.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:22 am https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4556528

Yet another in a long list of scumbag moves by the British.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Don't care.

Go running to uncle Joe.
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This will be just the first trial to be kicked out because of inadmissible evidence.

Cue rioting and an increase in sectarian tension when the other trials so exactly the same way.
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It's true that Brits don't care because these atrocities were committed on British soil. When have they ever cared about that?
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If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.
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Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 am If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.
That is not how it works with the Swarm. Amnesty is a one way street.
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DragsterDriver wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:42 am About time we looked after ours.
Word.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:14 am
Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 am If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.
That is not how it works with the Swarm. Amnesty is a one way street.
You really don't understand the Irish posters at all.

There should be no amnesty at all. IRA murderers should go down, as should murderers from the RUC, British Army, Loyalist paramiltaries, .... No statute of limitations on murder.
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lilyw wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:19 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:14 am
Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 am If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.
That is not how it works with the Swarm. Amnesty is a one way street.
You really don't understand the Irish posters at all.

There should be no amnesty at all. IRA murderers should go down, as should murderers from the RUC, British Army, Loyalist paramiltaries, .... No statute of limitations on murder.
Or we could just try and put it all behind us and try and move on?

or:

Any chance the IRA/SF can tell us where they've dumped all those bodies?

I sorry the family of yer man, Joe McCann, didn't get the justice they deserved, no wait a minute, am I f*ck.
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lilyw wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:19 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:14 am
Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 am If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.
That is not how it works with the Swarm. Amnesty is a one way street.
You really don't understand the Irish posters at all.

There should be no amnesty at all. IRA murderers should go down, as should murderers from the RUC, British Army, Loyalist paramiltaries, .... No statute of limitations on murder.
Convenient stance to take after the fact is the point.
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Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.
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Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.
Look and learn bitch
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:33 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.
Look and learn bitch
Eh, what?
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DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:24 am
lilyw wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:19 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:14 am
Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 am If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.
That is not how it works with the Swarm. Amnesty is a one way street.
You really don't understand the Irish posters at all.

There should be no amnesty at all. IRA murderers should go down, as should murderers from the RUC, British Army, Loyalist paramiltaries, .... No statute of limitations on murder.
Or we could just try and put it all behind us and try and move on?

or:

Any chance the IRA/SF can tell us where they've dumped all those bodies?

I sorry the family of yer man, Joe McCann, didn't get the justice they deserved, no wait a minute, am I f*ck.
Would that be the Joe McCann that boasted of shooting dead 15 soldiers, burned people out of their homes, carried out punishment beatings and got shot resisting arrest?

Karma is a bitch.
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Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot terrorists was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
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bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point
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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am
bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
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DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am
bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
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DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am
bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
Did the British army murder many Protestants in the North?
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am
bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am
bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am



In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am

Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
How about the ones in Glasgow
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Whatever about the ethics, morality or pragmatism of either prosecuting all crimes regardless of who committed them, or putting the past behind us; what is disturbing is that this is unilateral action by the British Government, released on the same day that a meeting of the Joint Irish British Inter Governmental Council was agreed for June, is a violation of the Stormont House agreement of 2014 which was between the Irish and British Governments and the Northern Ireland Assembly parties and which, inter alia, agreed a methodology for dealing with "historical investigations".

Once again it appears that the UK thinks it can unilaterally renege on agreements it has made without consequence.

How can any other government trust the UK to keep its word ? The fact that the UK is once again demonstrating bad faith in its international agreements will be noted by both the EU, and the US, amongst others.
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camroc1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:52 am Whatever about the ethics, morality or pragmatism of either prosecuting all crimes regardless of who committed them, or putting the past behind us; what is disturbing is that this is unilateral action by the British Government, released on the same day that a meeting of the Joint Irish British Inter Governmental Council was agreed for June, is a violation of the Stormont House agreement of 2014 which was between the Irish and British Governments and the Northern Ireland Assembly parties and which, inter alia, agreed a methodology for dealing with "historical investigations".

Once again it appears that the UK thinks it can unilaterally renege on agreements it has made without consequence.

How can any other government trust the UK to keep its word ? The fact that the UK is once again demonstrating bad faith in its international agreements will be noted by both the EU, and the US, amongst others.
They met with Coventry yesterday and then pull this shit today. You can’t trust the Brits.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:51 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am

You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
How about the ones in Glasgow
True they ain't left yet
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am

Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
Loads of NI Catholics are in the British armed forces.
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DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:07 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am

You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
Loads of NI Catholics are in the British armed forces.
Jesus times must be hard for that level of desperation
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:10 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:07 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
Loads of NI Catholics are in the British armed forces.
Jesus times must be hard for that level of desperation
I used to DJ back in the late 90s. The "Bop" at Aldergrove was incredibly popular on a Friday night - I used to laugh at how many Celtic FC taps there were in the dancing masses - with no hint of any grief.
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DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:12 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:10 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:07 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am

Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
Loads of NI Catholics are in the British armed forces.
Jesus times must be hard for that level of desperation
I used to DJ back in the late 90s. The "Bop" at Aldergrove was incredibly popular on a Friday night - I used to laugh at how many Celtic FC taps there were in the dancing masses - with no hint of any grief.
Probably Scots.
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:13 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:12 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:10 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:07 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
They’re not British
Loads of NI Catholics are in the British armed forces.
Jesus times must be hard for that level of desperation
I used to DJ back in the late 90s. The "Bop" at Aldergrove was incredibly popular on a Friday night - I used to laugh at how many Celtic FC taps there were in the dancing masses - with no hint of any grief.
Probably Scots.
Some of them, definitely not even half.
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