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Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 8:22 am
by Duff Paddy
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4556528

Yet another in a long list of scumbag moves by the British.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 8:42 am
by DragsterDriver
About time we looked after ours.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 8:44 am
by lilyw
I know why the sun never sets on the British Empire: God wouldn't trust an Englishman in the dark.
Shashi Tharoor certainly has a point

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 8:58 am
by inactionman
Just so I'm clear, the report suggests that any statutes of limitations won't apply for war crimes genocide or torture - does the extrajudicial killing of civilians not count as a potential war crime, or are the troubles not counted as a war (c.f. Malayan 'emergency')?

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 9:12 am
by The Sun God
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:22 am https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4556528

Yet another in a long list of scumbag moves by the British.
And you are surprised, why...???

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 9:14 am
by MungoMan
The Sun God wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:12 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:22 am https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4556528

Yet another in a long list of scumbag moves by the British.
And you are surprised, why...???
I ascribed a tone of resignation rather than surprise

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 9:18 am
by Leinsterman
Reports also suggested that the British government intends to institute a South African style truth and reconciliation commission.
Good luck with that. :lol:

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 9:23 am
by inactionman
Leinsterman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:18 am
Reports also suggested that the British government intends to institute a South African style truth and reconciliation commission.
Good luck with that. :lol:
Aye. This would be something I'd actually support in principle, if we had any chance of it not being a whitewash.

Think that going after individual soldiers/volunteers (if I use vernacular correctly) not actually getting to the depth of the issue or holding the prime movers to account. And that's on all 'sides' of the situation.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 9:28 am
by Bogbunny
A shit sandwich all round.

Any amnesty / statute of limitations for any lawbreakers sits extremely uncomfortably with most right thinking people.

How do we practicably draw a line under the past and move forward without upsetting a lot of victims and their families?

At some point we will have to do so. Do we leave it until everyone affected is dead?

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 9:33 am
by The Sun God
MungoMan wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:14 am
The Sun God wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:12 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:22 am https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4556528

Yet another in a long list of scumbag moves by the British.
And you are surprised, why...???
I ascribed a tone of resignation rather than surprise
Our British friends have a long history of breaking their word when dealing with Ireland....same shit, different day.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 9:47 am
by Anonymous 1
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:22 am https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4556528

Yet another in a long list of scumbag moves by the British.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 9:55 am
by Mick Mannock
Don't care.

Go running to uncle Joe.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 9:57 am
by Muttonbirds
It's true that Brits don't care because these atrocities were committed on British soil. When have they ever cared about that?

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 am
by Magpie26
If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:14 am
by Anonymous 1
Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 am If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.
That is not how it works with the Swarm. Amnesty is a one way street.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 am
by DAC_
DragsterDriver wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 8:42 am About time we looked after ours.
Word.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:19 am
by lilyw
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:14 am
Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 am If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.
That is not how it works with the Swarm. Amnesty is a one way street.
You really don't understand the Irish posters at all.

There should be no amnesty at all. IRA murderers should go down, as should murderers from the RUC, British Army, Loyalist paramiltaries, .... No statute of limitations on murder.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:24 am
by DAC_
lilyw wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:19 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:14 am
Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 am If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.
That is not how it works with the Swarm. Amnesty is a one way street.
You really don't understand the Irish posters at all.

There should be no amnesty at all. IRA murderers should go down, as should murderers from the RUC, British Army, Loyalist paramiltaries, .... No statute of limitations on murder.
Or we could just try and put it all behind us and try and move on?

or:

Any chance the IRA/SF can tell us where they've dumped all those bodies?

I sorry the family of yer man, Joe McCann, didn't get the justice they deserved, no wait a minute, am I f*ck.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:28 am
by Anonymous 1
lilyw wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:19 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:14 am
Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 am If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.
That is not how it works with the Swarm. Amnesty is a one way street.
You really don't understand the Irish posters at all.

There should be no amnesty at all. IRA murderers should go down, as should murderers from the RUC, British Army, Loyalist paramiltaries, .... No statute of limitations on murder.
Convenient stance to take after the fact is the point.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am
by Flametop
Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:33 am
by Anonymous 1
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.
Look and learn bitch

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:36 am
by Flametop
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:33 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.
Look and learn bitch
Eh, what?

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:45 am
by Bogbunny
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:24 am
lilyw wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:19 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:14 am
Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 am If they apply it to both sides, which the article suggests they may well do then surely its a way to move forward?

Its not an unusual response after a conflict.
That is not how it works with the Swarm. Amnesty is a one way street.
You really don't understand the Irish posters at all.

There should be no amnesty at all. IRA murderers should go down, as should murderers from the RUC, British Army, Loyalist paramiltaries, .... No statute of limitations on murder.
Or we could just try and put it all behind us and try and move on?

or:

Any chance the IRA/SF can tell us where they've dumped all those bodies?

I sorry the family of yer man, Joe McCann, didn't get the justice they deserved, no wait a minute, am I f*ck.
Would that be the Joe McCann that boasted of shooting dead 15 soldiers, burned people out of their homes, carried out punishment beatings and got shot resisting arrest?

Karma is a bitch.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am
by bimboman
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot terrorists was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am
by Duff Paddy
bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
by DAC_
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am
bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
by Anonymous 1
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am
bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 11:42 am
by Duff Paddy
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am
bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
Did the British army murder many Protestants in the North?

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
by Duff Paddy
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am
bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am
Flametop wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:31 am Considering that the British Army ran the most successful recruitment campaign for the Provisional IRA it’s tricky to sweep it’s shooting of civilians under the carpet.


In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
by Anonymous 1
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am
bimboman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 am



In fairness the opportunity to shoot catholics was a good recruiting tool for the British Army as well.
Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 11:51 am
by Duff Paddy
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am

Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
How about the ones in Glasgow

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 11:52 am
by camroc1
Whatever about the ethics, morality or pragmatism of either prosecuting all crimes regardless of who committed them, or putting the past behind us; what is disturbing is that this is unilateral action by the British Government, released on the same day that a meeting of the Joint Irish British Inter Governmental Council was agreed for June, is a violation of the Stormont House agreement of 2014 which was between the Irish and British Governments and the Northern Ireland Assembly parties and which, inter alia, agreed a methodology for dealing with "historical investigations".

Once again it appears that the UK thinks it can unilaterally renege on agreements it has made without consequence.

How can any other government trust the UK to keep its word ? The fact that the UK is once again demonstrating bad faith in its international agreements will be noted by both the EU, and the US, amongst others.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 11:54 am
by Duff Paddy
camroc1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:52 am Whatever about the ethics, morality or pragmatism of either prosecuting all crimes regardless of who committed them, or putting the past behind us; what is disturbing is that this is unilateral action by the British Government, released on the same day that a meeting of the Joint Irish British Inter Governmental Council was agreed for June, is a violation of the Stormont House agreement of 2014 which was between the Irish and British Governments and the Northern Ireland Assembly parties and which, inter alia, agreed a methodology for dealing with "historical investigations".

Once again it appears that the UK thinks it can unilaterally renege on agreements it has made without consequence.

How can any other government trust the UK to keep its word ? The fact that the UK is once again demonstrating bad faith in its international agreements will be noted by both the EU, and the US, amongst others.
They met with Coventry yesterday and then pull this shit today. You can’t trust the Brits.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 12:16 pm
by Anonymous 1
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:51 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am

You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
How about the ones in Glasgow
True they ain't left yet

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 1:07 pm
by DAC_
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:20 am

Fair point
You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
Loads of NI Catholics are in the British armed forces.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 1:10 pm
by iarmhiman
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:07 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am

You have no idea about how many catholics have served and are serving in HM Forces.
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
Loads of NI Catholics are in the British armed forces.
Jesus times must be hard for that level of desperation

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 1:12 pm
by DAC_
iarmhiman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:10 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:07 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am
For British Catholics the religion thing is a total non issue
Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
Loads of NI Catholics are in the British armed forces.
Jesus times must be hard for that level of desperation
I used to DJ back in the late 90s. The "Bop" at Aldergrove was incredibly popular on a Friday night - I used to laugh at how many Celtic FC taps there were in the dancing masses - with no hint of any grief.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 1:13 pm
by iarmhiman
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:12 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:10 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:07 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:43 am

Even the ones in Northern Ireland?
They’re not British
Loads of NI Catholics are in the British armed forces.
Jesus times must be hard for that level of desperation
I used to DJ back in the late 90s. The "Bop" at Aldergrove was incredibly popular on a Friday night - I used to laugh at how many Celtic FC taps there were in the dancing masses - with no hint of any grief.
Probably Scots.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 1:14 pm
by DAC_
iarmhiman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:13 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:12 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:10 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:07 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:49 am
They’re not British
Loads of NI Catholics are in the British armed forces.
Jesus times must be hard for that level of desperation
I used to DJ back in the late 90s. The "Bop" at Aldergrove was incredibly popular on a Friday night - I used to laugh at how many Celtic FC taps there were in the dancing masses - with no hint of any grief.
Probably Scots.
Some of them, definitely not even half.

Re: Amnesty for British Murderers

Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 1:20 pm
by iarmhiman
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:14 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:13 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:12 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:10 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 1:07 pm

Loads of NI Catholics are in the British armed forces.
Jesus times must be hard for that level of desperation
I used to DJ back in the late 90s. The "Bop" at Aldergrove was incredibly popular on a Friday night - I used to laugh at how many Celtic FC taps there were in the dancing masses - with no hint of any grief.
Probably Scots.
Some of them, definitely not even half.
Well actually I had a lad who i rented a room to( the one who Bimbo loves to slag me about) who works with me. He was in signals and based in NI, Kuwait (1st gulf war) and Germany .

His mother is a catholic from Belfast, his dad a miner from Newcastle. Big labour supporter of the left wing faction.

Anyway, he's covered in tatoos that would make you think he was a Rangers fan. He cheers for Celtic. Lives in Montpellier , pro EU, now has Irish passport. Still feels loyalty to the Brit army but hates the direction UK is going and would prefer it to be a republic.