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RA putting out dates today, truncated due to French domestic season, quarantine, stuff...

WED 7 JULY
SCG x( , SYDNEY

TUE 13 JULY
AAMI PARK, MELBOURNE

SAT 17 JULY
SUNCORP STADIUM, BRISBANE

Great to get this to fruition and well done FFR
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Going to be a few players used in the series I imagine , and kudos to France for helping RA to make it happen.
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Dan54. wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:14 am Going to be a few players used in the series I imagine , and kudos to France for helping RA to make it happen.
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Some of the best quality boredies have been screaming for mid-week games for a long time, so this experiment is fantastic! The marketing has to be good though - RA and 9/Stan need to have a blitz and make these games an event.

Mid-week for special games makes so much sense for many reasons:
- Zero people play rugby games on Wednesday but tens of thousands play on Saturdays in Sydney alone, so maybe lots of potential fans that otherwise wouldn't be able to get to the game.
- Lots of things to do on Saturdays but there is NOTHING to do on Wednesday nights. Literally nobody makes plans for Wednesday - trivia nights at the pub aren't even a thing on Wednesdays.
- No one works in the city on Saturdays but lots do on Wednesday, so can scoot down to the SCG super easily after work
- No other sport on tv. Literally nothing.

State of Origin is great, but it wouldn't have been so successful if it was on Saturdays. Midweek tests could be a great thing and I'm hopeful that the forced experiment bears fruit.
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When are tickets going on sale? Wouldn’t mind popping along to either the SCG or Suncorp.
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towny wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:02 am Some of the best quality boredies have been screaming for mid-week games for a long time, so this experiment is fantastic! The marketing has to be good though - RA and 9/Stan need to have a blitz and make these games an event.

Mid-week for special games makes so much sense for many reasons:
- Zero people play rugby games on Wednesday but tens of thousands play on Saturdays in Sydney alone, so maybe lots of potential fans that otherwise wouldn't be able to get to the game.
- Lots of things to do on Saturdays but there is NOTHING to do on Wednesday nights. Literally nobody makes plans for Wednesday - trivia nights at the pub aren't even a thing on Wednesdays.
- No one works in the city on Saturdays but lots do on Wednesday, so can scoot down to the SCG super easily after work
- No other sport on tv. Literally nothing.

State of Origin is great, but it wouldn't have been so successful if it was on Saturdays. Midweek tests could be a great thing and I'm hopeful that the forced experiment bears fruit.
you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Would love to go and watch the French bagette the Wallabies but a shitty mid week game means I will not attend and think less of both teams for the schedule. Why would you play an international game on a work night? Idiocy!

Though great to see Les Blues on the way down under and will be cheering them on from an arm chair while watching Stans coverage!
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Ogre wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 12:59 pm
towny wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:02 am Some of the best quality boredies have been screaming for mid-week games for a long time, so this experiment is fantastic! The marketing has to be good though - RA and 9/Stan need to have a blitz and make these games an event.

Mid-week for special games makes so much sense for many reasons:
- Zero people play rugby games on Wednesday but tens of thousands play on Saturdays in Sydney alone, so maybe lots of potential fans that otherwise wouldn't be able to get to the game.
- Lots of things to do on Saturdays but there is NOTHING to do on Wednesday nights. Literally nobody makes plans for Wednesday - trivia nights at the pub aren't even a thing on Wednesdays.
- No one works in the city on Saturdays but lots do on Wednesday, so can scoot down to the SCG super easily after work
- No other sport on tv. Literally nothing.

State of Origin is great, but it wouldn't have been so successful if it was on Saturdays. Midweek tests could be a great thing and I'm hopeful that the forced experiment bears fruit.
you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Would love to go and watch the French bagette the Wallabies but a shitty mid week game means I will not attend and think less of both teams for the schedule. Why would you play an international game on a work night? Idiocy!

Though great to see Les Blues on the way down under and will be cheering them on from an arm chair while watching Stans coverage!
Because of Covid you twat
get your lazy arse out and support the game...its covid etc etc and it needs the support in a time of real need, hate the Wallabies there's some inspiration
or just go league youre a Kiwi it fits so well
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grievous wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 2:20 pm
Ogre wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 12:59 pm
towny wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:02 am Some of the best quality boredies have been screaming for mid-week games for a long time, so this experiment is fantastic! The marketing has to be good though - RA and 9/Stan need to have a blitz and make these games an event.

Mid-week for special games makes so much sense for many reasons:
- Zero people play rugby games on Wednesday but tens of thousands play on Saturdays in Sydney alone, so maybe lots of potential fans that otherwise wouldn't be able to get to the game.
- Lots of things to do on Saturdays but there is NOTHING to do on Wednesday nights. Literally nobody makes plans for Wednesday - trivia nights at the pub aren't even a thing on Wednesdays.
- No one works in the city on Saturdays but lots do on Wednesday, so can scoot down to the SCG super easily after work
- No other sport on tv. Literally nothing.

State of Origin is great, but it wouldn't have been so successful if it was on Saturdays. Midweek tests could be a great thing and I'm hopeful that the forced experiment bears fruit.
you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Would love to go and watch the French bagette the Wallabies but a shitty mid week game means I will not attend and think less of both teams for the schedule. Why would you play an international game on a work night? Idiocy!

Though great to see Les Blues on the way down under and will be cheering them on from an arm chair while watching Stans coverage!
Because of Covid you twat
get your lazy arse out and support the game...its covid etc etc and it needs the support in a time of real need, hate the Wallabies there's some inspiration
or just go league youre a Kiwi it fits so well
Shant. Rugby is a gentlemans game and should only be played on the weekend allowing a true gentleman to roger his mistress all week long. You would know this if you were a gentleman and not an uncouth pleb.
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Ogre wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 12:59 pm you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Would love to go and watch the French bagette the Wallabies but a shitty mid week game means I will not attend and think less of both teams for the schedule. Why would you play an international game on a work night? Idiocy!
Not idiocy. Quarantine.

Towny's right here. It's about making the most of the situation.

Success of State of Origin shows what can be done mid week. It might not be first choice going forward but it's good to see the possibilities.
Ogre wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 12:59 pm Though great to see Les Blues on the way down under and will be cheering them on from an arm chair while watching Stans coverage!
And that's OK too. Let's get some ratings on this MFer. :thumbup:
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kiap wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 2:25 pm
Ogre wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 12:59 pm you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Would love to go and watch the French bagette the Wallabies but a shitty mid week game means I will not attend and think less of both teams for the schedule. Why would you play an international game on a work night? Idiocy!
Not idiocy. Quarantine.

Towny's right here. It's about making the most of the situation.

Success of State of Origin shows what can be done mid week. It might not be first choice going forward but it's good to see the possibilities.
Ogre wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 12:59 pm Though great to see Les Blues on the way down under and will be cheering them on from an arm chair while watching Stans coverage!
And that's OK too. Let's get some ratings on this MFer. :thumbup:
Pfft. Why would I let facts like quarantine get in the way of calling someone wrong on PR?
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Ogre wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 12:59 pm
towny wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:02 am Some of the best quality boredies have been screaming for mid-week games for a long time, so this experiment is fantastic! The marketing has to be good though - RA and 9/Stan need to have a blitz and make these games an event.

Mid-week for special games makes so much sense for many reasons:
- Zero people play rugby games on Wednesday but tens of thousands play on Saturdays in Sydney alone, so maybe lots of potential fans that otherwise wouldn't be able to get to the game.
- Lots of things to do on Saturdays but there is NOTHING to do on Wednesday nights. Literally nobody makes plans for Wednesday - trivia nights at the pub aren't even a thing on Wednesdays.
- No one works in the city on Saturdays but lots do on Wednesday, so can scoot down to the SCG super easily after work
- No other sport on tv. Literally nothing.

State of Origin is great, but it wouldn't have been so successful if it was on Saturdays. Midweek tests could be a great thing and I'm hopeful that the forced experiment bears fruit.
you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Would love to go and watch the French bagette the Wallabies but a shitty mid week game means I will not attend and think less of both teams for the schedule. Why would you play an international game on a work night? Idiocy!

Though great to see Les Blues on the way down under and will be cheering them on from an arm chair while watching Stans coverage!
I couldn’t be more wrong but you didn’t refute any of my points because you didn’t feel like it?
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Sadly, France will not be sending its best players I hear, as they want to give a break to a number of them...
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TheFrog wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 7:09 pm Sadly, France will not be sending its best players I hear, as they want to give a break to a number of them...
It’s a test and France is putting its best team on the park. There is no underdog tag here for you Pierre. Take it easy on our boys - most of them are just kids.
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3 competitive games in 10 days will require quite a few players to travel down under.
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TheFrog wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 7:09 pm Sadly, France will not be sending its best players I hear, as they want to give a break to a number of them...
I read that the lads involved in the final could not play in the first game because of the quarantine but not that they would not go.
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TheFrog wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 7:09 pm Sadly, France will not be sending its best players I hear, as they want to give a break to a number of them...
So no different to any normal year? Nevermind we will take it.
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TheFrog wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 7:09 pm Sadly, France will not be sending its best players I hear, as they want to give a break to a number of them...
When you say "France", do you actually mean the LNR has made them play so many rounds of club fixtures that they aren't able to go on tour? If so, that is entirely the doing of the greedy clubs owners, not "France".

Surely the FFR can make the clubs give players proper rest periods, so they are available to play for their country when required, n'est-ce pas?
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The FFR has windows during which they can get the players full time. Those windows are negotiated with the clubs.

Players are employed by the clubs.

I have not read that players would not go except if not selected by Galthié. Players involved in the final of the T14 and selected will not be able to play in the first game due to quarantine requirements.
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I need to dig the article but I read that Galthie and his team were thinking about giving some front starters a rest and not taking them down under. So it would be a deliberate FFR choice to protect some players.
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La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 1:09 pm The FFR has windows during which they can get the players full time. Those windows are negotiated with the clubs.

Players are employed by the clubs.

I have not read that players would not go except if not selected by Galthié. Players involved in the final of the T14 and selected will not be able to play in the first game due to quarantine requirements.
You need to read the (temporary) WR regulations on the subject of covid quarantine periods being added to the international windows. The French club game thinks it is more important than international rugby, same as usual.
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Ellafan wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:21 pm
La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 1:09 pm The FFR has windows during which they can get the players full time. Those windows are negotiated with the clubs.

Players are employed by the clubs.

I have not read that players would not go except if not selected by Galthié. Players involved in the final of the T14 and selected will not be able to play in the first game due to quarantine requirements.
You need to read the (temporary) WR regulations on the subject of covid quarantine periods being added to the international windows. The French club game thinks it is more important than international rugby, same as usual.
Sadly, it is the reality of rugby economy in France. Money is power, and money dictates the terms.

The issue with this tour is that you have your players going down South to play in July, when your club season starts in August, and the previous season ends on June 25th. In other words, this would mean no break for the International players. It is just sheer madness and dangerous.

We have seen the impact of this again and again on French players, whose lack of fitness has a lot to do with their lack of time to condition properly for the new season. Where pro players would usually get at least 4 weeks without game to do proper conditioning, after having given 2 to 3 weeks to the players to regenerate their body through a well deserved break, French Internationals end their season very late, and are rushed back into the following season.

The solution would be to cut on the number of games these guys play, but the French league doesn't want to cut the elite down to 12 clubs.
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Ellafan wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:21 pm
La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 1:09 pm The FFR has windows during which they can get the players full time. Those windows are negotiated with the clubs.

Players are employed by the clubs.

I have not read that players would not go except if not selected by Galthié. Players involved in the final of the T14 and selected will not be able to play in the first game due to quarantine requirements.
You need to read the (temporary) WR regulations on the subject of covid quarantine periods being added to the international windows. The French club game thinks it is more important than international rugby, same as usual.
I dont get the point you are trying to make.

Clubs dont select the players for the French team.
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TheFrog wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 1:56 pm I need to dig the article but I read that Galthie and his team were thinking about giving some front starters a rest and not taking them down under. So it would be a deliberate FFR choice to protect some players.
Please share if you can find it.

I still do not see how Galthié not selecting the players can be blamed on the clubs.
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La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:35 pm
TheFrog wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 1:56 pm I need to dig the article but I read that Galthie and his team were thinking about giving some front starters a rest and not taking them down under. So it would be a deliberate FFR choice to protect some players.
Please share if you can find it.

I still do not see how Galthié not selecting the players can be blamed on the clubs.
It can't be directly blamed on the clubs of course, but indirectly, this is the result of such long season of LNR / European Championship rubgy, see my post above.
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Found it for you La Soule:

https://www.lerugbynistere.fr/news/le-x ... 211035.php

The article says that they are contemplating not taking the Top 14 finalists on tour, so that is at least Toulouse gone and may be La Rochelle or Bordeaux.

On top of this, they seem to be enclined to let Dupont, Ollivon, Aldritt or Fickou take a break and regardless of when their clubs end their seasons, they will not go on the tour.

This was first reported by Lequipe.
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TheFrog wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:38 pm
La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:35 pm
TheFrog wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 1:56 pm I need to dig the article but I read that Galthie and his team were thinking about giving some front starters a rest and not taking them down under. So it would be a deliberate FFR choice to protect some players.
Please share if you can find it.

I still do not see how Galthié not selecting the players can be blamed on the clubs.
It can't be directly blamed on the clubs of course, but indirectly, this is the result of such long season of LNR / European Championship rubgy, see my post above.
It is a professional game now so it is what it is. This was all predictable.

I was against the game turning pro. We all know where that great idea came from.
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It’s only France - WR should just fine the arse out of their clubs until they join the party. This isn’t soccer - send the lawyers in and sort out the greedy cnuts.

Amateurism ended because people with money came to take the entire sport. Those that wanted to stay amateur aren’t aware that there was never a choice.
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TheFrog wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:41 pm Found it for you La Soule:

https://www.lerugbynistere.fr/news/le-x ... 211035.php

The article says that they are contemplating not taking the Top 14 finalists on tour, so that is at least Toulouse gone and may be La Rochelle or Bordeaux.

On top of this, they seem to be enclined to let Dupont, Ollivon, Aldritt or Fickou take a break and regardless of when their clubs end their seasons, they will not go on the tour.

This was first reported by Lequipe.
Thanks. We will still win ;)
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towny wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:46 pm It’s only France - WR should just fine the arse out of their clubs until they join the party. This isn’t soccer - send the lawyers in and sort out the greedy cnuts.

Amateurism ended because people with money came to take the entire sport. Those that wanted to stay amateur aren’t aware that there was never a choice.
Clubs are complying with WR regulations. Players are free during the international window. There is nothing lawyers can do.
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Ogre wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 2:23 pm
grievous wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 2:20 pm
Ogre wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 12:59 pm
towny wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:02 am Some of the best quality boredies have been screaming for mid-week games for a long time, so this experiment is fantastic! The marketing has to be good though - RA and 9/Stan need to have a blitz and make these games an event.

Mid-week for special games makes so much sense for many reasons:
- Zero people play rugby games on Wednesday but tens of thousands play on Saturdays in Sydney alone, so maybe lots of potential fans that otherwise wouldn't be able to get to the game.
- Lots of things to do on Saturdays but there is NOTHING to do on Wednesday nights. Literally nobody makes plans for Wednesday - trivia nights at the pub aren't even a thing on Wednesdays.
- No one works in the city on Saturdays but lots do on Wednesday, so can scoot down to the SCG super easily after work
- No other sport on tv. Literally nothing.

State of Origin is great, but it wouldn't have been so successful if it was on Saturdays. Midweek tests could be a great thing and I'm hopeful that the forced experiment bears fruit.
you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Would love to go and watch the French bagette the Wallabies but a shitty mid week game means I will not attend and think less of both teams for the schedule. Why would you play an international game on a work night? Idiocy!

Though great to see Les Blues on the way down under and will be cheering them on from an arm chair while watching Stans coverage!
Because of Covid you twat
get your lazy arse out and support the game...its covid etc etc and it needs the support in a time of real need, hate the Wallabies there's some inspiration
or just go league youre a Kiwi it fits so well
Shant. Rugby is a gentlemans game and should only be played on the weekend allowing a true gentleman to roger his mistress all week long. You would know this if you were a gentleman and not an uncouth pleb.
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towny wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:46 pm It’s only France - WR should just fine the arse out of their clubs until they join the party. This isn’t soccer - send the lawyers in and sort out the greedy cnuts.

Amateurism ended because people with money came to take the entire sport. Those that wanted to stay amateur aren’t aware that there was never a choice.
Super league and the structural weakness of OZ amateur rugby, SANZAR are the main reasons why the game went pro.

Not because of French clubs.

As I said the current situation was predictable when your federation made that choice.

I knew then Tarbes would never play top flight ruby again :((
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La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:54 pm
towny wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:46 pm It’s only France - WR should just fine the arse out of their clubs until they join the party. This isn’t soccer - send the lawyers in and sort out the greedy cnuts.

Amateurism ended because people with money came to take the entire sport. Those that wanted to stay amateur aren’t aware that there was never a choice.
Super league and the structural weakness of OZ amateur rugby, SANZAR are the main reasons why the game went pro.

Not because of French clubs.

As I said the current situation was predictable when your federation made that choice.

I knew then Tarbes would never play top flight ruby again :((
I didn’t say the French clubs did anything. But they didn’t have a choice - they either started paying players or they wouldn’t have had any. Amateurism is a relic that couldn’t exist when the demand for content exploded.
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TheFrog wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:50 pm
towny wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:46 pm It’s only France - WR should just fine the arse out of their clubs until they join the party. This isn’t soccer - send the lawyers in and sort out the greedy cnuts.

Amateurism ended because people with money came to take the entire sport. Those that wanted to stay amateur aren’t aware that there was never a choice.
Clubs are complying with WR regulations. Players are free during the international window. There is nothing lawyers can do.
Yeah. You’re right.
There’s always something you can do. I guess make the game payments so high that the players won’t refuse.
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towny wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:59 pm
La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:54 pm
towny wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:46 pm It’s only France - WR should just fine the arse out of their clubs until they join the party. This isn’t soccer - send the lawyers in and sort out the greedy cnuts.

Amateurism ended because people with money came to take the entire sport. Those that wanted to stay amateur aren’t aware that there was never a choice.
Super league and the structural weakness of OZ amateur rugby, SANZAR are the main reasons why the game went pro.

Not because of French clubs.

As I said the current situation was predictable when your federation made that choice.

I knew then Tarbes would never play top flight ruby again :((
I didn’t say the French clubs did anything. But they didn’t have a choice - they either started paying players or they wouldn’t have had any. Amateurism is a relic that couldn’t exist when the demand for content exploded.
I know. But I am not complaining of the consequences of a choice/decision that was made somewhere else.

France rugby was great then. We had 32 clubs in the top division.
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👍

I’m more on your side than it seems.
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towny wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:00 pm
TheFrog wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:50 pm
towny wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:46 pm It’s only France - WR should just fine the arse out of their clubs until they join the party. This isn’t soccer - send the lawyers in and sort out the greedy cnuts.

Amateurism ended because people with money came to take the entire sport. Those that wanted to stay amateur aren’t aware that there was never a choice.
Clubs are complying with WR regulations. Players are free during the international window. There is nothing lawyers can do.
Yeah. You’re right.
There’s always something you can do. I guess make the game payments so high that the players won’t refuse.
I believe the FFR have looked into creating a Federal league with players being under contract with the FFR, very much based on the success experienced by Ireland or Wales. But they don't have the money to compete with clubs. They wouldn't draw the crowds. Crowds are passionately attached to their clubs.
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La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:33 pm
Ellafan wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:21 pm
La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 1:09 pm The FFR has windows during which they can get the players full time. Those windows are negotiated with the clubs.

Players are employed by the clubs.

I have not read that players would not go except if not selected by Galthié. Players involved in the final of the T14 and selected will not be able to play in the first game due to quarantine requirements.
You need to read the (temporary) WR regulations on the subject of covid quarantine periods being added to the international windows. The French club game thinks it is more important than international rugby, same as usual.
I dont get the point you are trying to make.

Clubs dont select the players for the French team.
The windows are not 'negotiated by the clubs', they are regulated by WR. The greedy French clubs are in breach of the WR regulations, again. The international players are required to be released before July so that they can play tests on the first 3 weekends in that month. The French clubs are carrying on like the clubs in the round ball game.
A Union must therefore be able to select and have available the Players it requires for International Matches and to build and develop team strategies in National Squad sessions in order to ensure that the quality and integrity of international Rugby is maintained. The future development and extension of the sport at all levels and throughout the world would be threatened if a Union was not able to select and have available the Players it requires.
https://www.world.rugby/organisation/go ... ions/reg-9
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Re: Wallabies v France July Tests

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TheFrog wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:20 pm
towny wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:00 pm
TheFrog wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:50 pm
towny wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:46 pm It’s only France - WR should just fine the arse out of their clubs until they join the party. This isn’t soccer - send the lawyers in and sort out the greedy cnuts.

Amateurism ended because people with money came to take the entire sport. Those that wanted to stay amateur aren’t aware that there was never a choice.
Clubs are complying with WR regulations. Players are free during the international window. There is nothing lawyers can do.
Yeah. You’re right.
There’s always something you can do. I guess make the game payments so high that the players won’t refuse.
I believe the FFR have looked into creating a Federal league with players being under contract with the FFR, very much based on the success experienced by Ireland or Wales. But they don't have the money to compete with clubs. They wouldn't draw the crowds. Crowds are passionately attached to their clubs.
Well, it sucks but it's not the end of the world. I can't wait for France to play in Australia - if some of the best aren't there, maybe we will even win a couple of tests. I like French club rugby and I like France, so I find it difficult to maintain the rage for long.

If this was Wales, I would have spit all over my keyboard and having a meltdown in anger. Cnuts. But the French..... er..... it's okay.
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Re: Wallabies v France July Tests

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Ellafan wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 4:22 pm
La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:33 pm
Ellafan wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:21 pm
La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 1:09 pm The FFR has windows during which they can get the players full time. Those windows are negotiated with the clubs.

Players are employed by the clubs.

I have not read that players would not go except if not selected by Galthié. Players involved in the final of the T14 and selected will not be able to play in the first game due to quarantine requirements.
You need to read the (temporary) WR regulations on the subject of covid quarantine periods being added to the international windows. The French club game thinks it is more important than international rugby, same as usual.
I dont get the point you are trying to make.

Clubs dont select the players for the French team.
The windows are not 'negotiated by the clubs', they are regulated by WR. The greedy French clubs are in breach of the WR regulations, again. The international players are required to be released before July so that they can play tests on the first 3 weekends in that month. The French clubs are carrying on like the clubs in the round ball game.
A Union must therefore be able to select and have available the Players it requires for International Matches and to build and develop team strategies in National Squad sessions in order to ensure that the quality and integrity of international Rugby is maintained. The future development and extension of the sport at all levels and throughout the world would be threatened if a Union was not able to select and have available the Players it requires.
https://www.world.rugby/organisation/go ... ions/reg-9
How does WR prove it is the clubs if it is the players say are technically saying 'no'?
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Re: Wallabies v France July Tests

Post by La soule »

Ellafan wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 4:22 pm
La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:33 pm
Ellafan wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:21 pm
La soule wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 1:09 pm The FFR has windows during which they can get the players full time. Those windows are negotiated with the clubs.

Players are employed by the clubs.

I have not read that players would not go except if not selected by Galthié. Players involved in the final of the T14 and selected will not be able to play in the first game due to quarantine requirements.
You need to read the (temporary) WR regulations on the subject of covid quarantine periods being added to the international windows. The French club game thinks it is more important than international rugby, same as usual.
I dont get the point you are trying to make.

Clubs dont select the players for the French team.
The windows are not 'negotiated by the clubs', they are regulated by WR. The greedy French clubs are in breach of the WR regulations, again. The international players are required to be released before July so that they can play tests on the first 3 weekends in that month. The French clubs are carrying on like the clubs in the round ball game.
A Union must therefore be able to select and have available the Players it requires for International Matches and to build and develop team strategies in National Squad sessions in order to ensure that the quality and integrity of international Rugby is maintained. The future development and extension of the sport at all levels and throughout the world would be threatened if a Union was not able to select and have available the Players it requires.
https://www.world.rugby/organisation/go ... ions/reg-9
Final of T14 is on the 25th of June, a bit later due to COVID. The guys involved in the final will be available as of the 26th. The rest of the squad before that.

No need to rage.
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