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Praying this is not a RR.

IOC rule change clears a path for Laurel Hubbard to compete in the women’s super heavyweight category at the Tokyo Olympics:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... o-olympics

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It’s cheating.
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Great idea for a thread, should go well.


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guy smiley wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:02 am Great idea for a thread, should go well.
Yep, I'm sure the ensuing debate will be mature, informed and respectful.
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I literally don't know a single person, even my most lefty progressive friends, who support this type of nonsense. You would have to be living on Pluto.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:43 am I literally don't know a single person, even my most lefty progressive friends, who support this type of nonsense. You would have to be living on Pluto.
But you also think that COVID-19 is "just a flu" so that just shows that you're an idiot.
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Its going to be interesting.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:46 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:43 am I literally don't know a single person, even my most lefty progressive friends, who support this type of nonsense. You would have to be living on Pluto.
But you also think that COVID-19 is "just a flu" so that just shows that you're an idiot.
That shows that you're a liar. But everybody on the forum already knows that as a fact.

BTW, if you think transgenders competing in strength and/or power sports is even remotely a good idea, you should refrain from calling anyone else "an idiot". :lol:

ffs. This nuthouse. :lol:
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:46 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:43 am I literally don't know a single person, even my most lefty progressive friends, who support this type of nonsense. You would have to be living on Pluto.
But you also think that COVID-19 is "just a flu" so that just shows that you're an idiot.
That shows that you're a liar. But everybody on the forum already knows that as a fact.

BTW, if you think transgenders competing in strength and/or power sports is even remotely a good idea, you should refrain from calling anyone else "an idiot". :lol:

ffs. This nuthouse. :lol:
Once again your arguing for the sake of it. Because you're in love with the sound of your own voice. I haven't commented on the story in the OP at all. I've just called you and idiot.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:53 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:46 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:43 am I literally don't know a single person, even my most lefty progressive friends, who support this type of nonsense. You would have to be living on Pluto.
But you also think that COVID-19 is "just a flu" so that just shows that you're an idiot.
That shows that you're a liar. But everybody on the forum already knows that as a fact.

BTW, if you think transgenders competing in strength and/or power sports is even remotely a good idea, you should refrain from calling anyone else "an idiot". :lol:

ffs. This nuthouse. :lol:
Once again your arguing for the sake of it. Because you're in love with the sound of your own voice. I haven't commented on the story in the OP at all. I've just called you and idiot.
:roll: Move along fool.
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It's the biological women who've dedicated their lives to regular testosterone injections that I feel sorry for.
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Dobbin wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:58 am It's the biological women who've dedicated their lives to regular testosterone injections that I feel sorry for.
:lol:
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It's a bit hard to tell from pics, but I think she has fairly normal sized traps. Let her compete I say.
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Dobbin wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:58 am It's the biological women who've dedicated their lives to regular testosterone injections that I feel sorry for.
Doesn't that also describe the person in this story?
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Opps, clicked on the wrong thread, I was after the 'Tony Brown bails on the Trans-Tasman comp'
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danny_fitz wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 7:54 am Opps, clicked on the wrong thread, I was after the 'Tony Brown bails on the Trans-Tasman comp'
First decent post. Well played Danny Fitz :thumbup:
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:lol:
mojo wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 7:20 am Image

It's a bit hard to tell from pics, but I think she has fairly normal sized traps. Let her compete I say.
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It's complete BS. The plum actually wants to compete, that's what gets me.

Jokeshop.
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DragsterDriver wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:01 am It’s cheating.
Where should she be competing so it's not cheating?
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Dobbin wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:58 am It's the biological women who've dedicated their lives to regular testosterone injections that I feel sorry for.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ali's Choice] wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:42 am
guy smiley wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:02 am Great idea for a thread, should go well.
Yep, I'm sure the ensuing debate will be mature, informed and respectful.
“ironic Ali” wrote: But you also think that COVID-19 is "just a flu" so that just shows that you're an idiot.
:roll: :lol:
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I hope he wins. It would shine a blow torch on the complete farce it is.
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Jerome Manning wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:28 am I hope he wins. It would shine a blow torch on the complete farce it is.
This, sadly she won’t which will further legitimise this idiocy
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:18 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:01 am It’s cheating.
Where should she be competing so it's not cheating?
With the men. If your gender doesn't match your biological birth sex, you compete with the men. Easy.
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Jerome Manning wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:28 am I hope he wins. It would shine a blow torch on the complete farce it is.
I believe the correct pronoun is she.

Read somewhere Laurel has achieved qualifying because Covid meant some athletes were not able to compete.

Would love to see gammon heads explode if she does win. :lol:
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Jerome Manning wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:32 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:18 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:01 am It’s cheating.
Where should she be competing so it's not cheating?
With the men. If your gender doesn't match your biological birth sex, you compete with the men. Easy.
But she is a woman now. How can she compete against men? No other women compete in men's weightlifting. :?
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jambanja wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:26 am
Ali's Choice] wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:42 am
guy smiley wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:02 am Great idea for a thread, should go well.
Yep, I'm sure the ensuing debate will be mature, informed and respectful.
“ironic Ali” wrote: But you also think that COVID-19 is "just a flu" so that just shows that you're an idiot.
:roll: :lol:
:lol: :lol:
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:34 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:32 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:18 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:01 am It’s cheating.
Where should she be competing so it's not cheating?
With the men. If your gender doesn't match your biological birth sex, you compete with the men. Easy.
But she is a woman now. How can she compete against men? No other women compete in men's weightlifting. :?
Perhaps, when you make a life choice like she has, you have to accept that there will be certain things that are not available to you anymore, Caitlyn Jenner has expressed her thoughts on this and she is against it
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Jerome Manning wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:32 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:18 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:01 am It’s cheating.
Where should she be competing so it's not cheating?
With the men. If your gender doesn't match your biological birth sex, you compete with the men. Easy.
Correct.
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As someone who has competed in strength sports and knows women that do, this is a disgrace.

The biological and anatomical advantages this man brings to a female only competition outstrips even the advantages that a good few cycles of gear would give a woman. This is not a level playing field and theIOC should be ashamed for trying to win over the woke crowd.
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365 thread is way better than this.

Fifth post:
Don't think much of her snatch
Six pages already.
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feckwanker wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:40 am As someone who has competed in strength sports and knows women that do, this is a disgrace.

The biological and anatomical advantages this man brings to a female only competition outstrips even the advantages that a good few cycles of gear would give a woman. This is not a level playing field and theIOC should be ashamed for trying to win over the woke crowd.
No no no, people will accuse you of being motivated by malice and bigotry. You must only have bad intentions :roll:
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:41 am 365 thread is way better than this.

Fifth post:
Don't think much of her snatch
Six pages already.
Then maybe go there...and stay there
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:34 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:32 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:18 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:01 am It’s cheating.
Where should she be competing so it's not cheating?
With the men. If your gender doesn't match your biological birth sex, you compete with the men. Easy.
But she is a woman now. How can she compete against men? No other women compete in men's weightlifting. :?

She’s a “trans” women. Stop pretending words have no meaning.
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bimboman wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 9:01 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:34 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:32 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:18 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:01 am It’s cheating.
Where should she be competing so it's not cheating?
With the men. If your gender doesn't match your biological birth sex, you compete with the men. Easy.
But she is a woman now. How can she compete against men? No other women compete in men's weightlifting. :?

She’s a “trans” women. Stop pretending words have no meaning.
I think the point of free, self-determination is people themselves, not hard right-wing fascists, get to decide who they are.
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It going to happen, especially as anyone who objects can be written off as trans-phobic.

And as long as there are "scientific" articles such as this.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... rts-teams/

It is a fact that men have an advantage in sport hence nearly all sport is segregated by gender (apart from equestrian sports where the horse does the work).

So for a trans women to compete with her sex she has to be "handicapped" by reducing her testosterone. However in the link attached (which argues for including trans women in women sport teams), they point out that .
"Studies of testosterone levels in athletes do not show any clear, consistent relationship between testosterone and athletic performance. Sometimes testosterone is associated with better performance, but other studies show weak links or no links
, so in that case how does reducing testosterone, bring a trans women to the same athletic ability as if she had been born a female.

The rest of the argument is an emotional argument if unfair to these individuals to exclude them, which has to be balanced against the impact of including them to female born athletes.
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Isn't the issue muscle mass and bone structure that's developed during puberty as opposed to testosterone at the time of competing?

Isn't that what the East Germans/Russians did in the 70s?
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 9:05 am
bimboman wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 9:01 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:34 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:32 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:18 am Where should she be competing so it's not cheating?
With the men. If your gender doesn't match your biological birth sex, you compete with the men. Easy.
But she is a woman now. How can she compete against men? No other women compete in men's weightlifting. :?

She’s a “trans” women. Stop pretending words have no meaning.
I think the point of free, self-determination is people themselves, not hard right-wing fascists, get to decide who they are.
Oh don't worry , everyone knows it's the radical, authoritarian left who get to decide these things. You lot are so beholden to your weird ideas that you'd think she should be able to compete at U15 level if she exercised her free determination and decided to identify as a 14 year old girl. Fair play, you're a funny old lot!
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 9:05 am I think the point of free, self-determination is people themselves, not hard right-wing fascists, get to decide who they are.
Do I get to identify as Maori or Chinese or Mongolian? Your logic collapses very quickly.
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msp. wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 9:22 am It going to happen, especially as anyone who objects can be written off as trans-phobic.

And as long as there are "scientific" articles such as this.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... rts-teams/

It is a fact that men have an advantage in sport hence nearly all sport is segregated by gender (apart from equestrian sports where the horse does the work).

So for a trans women to compete with her sex she has to be "handicapped" by reducing her testosterone. However in the link attached (which argues for including trans women in women sport teams), they point out that .
"Studies of testosterone levels in athletes do not show any clear, consistent relationship between testosterone and athletic performance. Sometimes testosterone is associated with better performance, but other studies show weak links or no links
, so in that case how does reducing testosterone, bring a trans women to the same athletic ability as if she had been born a female.

The rest of the argument is an emotional argument if unfair to these individuals to exclude them, which has to be balanced against the impact of including them to female born athletes.
I read the sub heading and gave up:

"There is no scientific case for excluding them"

That's patently false, a number of studies have shown that the changes males go through at puberty give life long musculoskeletal advantages over women, and testosterone suppression as an adult will not change that.

Emma Hilton is good to follow on twitter if you want to see an actual scientist who has been involved in this research completely pull apart the IOC's recommendations (She co-authored one of the peer reviewed studies).

It's going to take a trans-woman killing someone in a combat or contact sport for bodies to stand up to the woke twitterati but the inherent unfairness to non-trans athletes is clear.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 9:05 am
bimboman wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 9:01 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:34 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:32 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:18 am Where should she be competing so it's not cheating?
With the men. If your gender doesn't match your biological birth sex, you compete with the men. Easy.
But she is a woman now. How can she compete against men? No other women compete in men's weightlifting. :?

She’s a “trans” women. Stop pretending words have no meaning.
I think the point of free, self-determination is people themselves, not hard right-wing fascists, get to decide who they are.

The point is anyone can say and be anything they like, but words describing that choice have actual meaning and cannot be changed by Individuals.
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