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Thankfully, these 2 aberrations will not be part of the TT Super Rugby scene

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https://www.superrugby.co.nz/news/sky-s ... zBiaLj3pWk
Goal-line drop-outs and the ability to replace red carded players after 20 minutes are the two law innovations trialled by New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and Rugby Australia (RA) that will carry over to Sky Super Rugby Trans-Tasman when the new competition kicks off this weekend.
Players, fans and coaches have grown accustomed to a range of law trials during Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super Rugby AU this year, but a number of these will not be used during Sky Super Rugby Trans-Tasman.

The two law innovations used in Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa that will not carry over to the new six-week trans-Tasman competition are the captain’s referral and Golden Point extra time.

New Zealand Rugby Head of High Performance Mike Anthony said it was important to ensure the laws used over the next six weeks did not disadvantage players from either side of the Tasman.

“New Zealand Rugby has trialled a range of innovations this season in Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa and we are reviewing those trials with a view to making some recommendations for future competitions.

“For Sky Super Rugby Trans-Tasman we have agreed with Rugby Australia to stick to laws that were consistent across our respective domestic Super Rugby competitions, which in this case are the goal-line drop-out and the red card replacement.

“Statistics from Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa indicate the goal-line drop-out has achieved its purpose of speeding up the game and getting the ball back in play more quickly than a 5m scrum, while we believe the red card replacement rule maintains the integrity of matches for players and fans alike when a player has been sent off.”

It has been agreed that matches tied at full time during the round-robin will finish as a draw with the two teams sharing the competition points, Anthony said.

“The exception will be the final, which will follow the same extra time protocols as the Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa final. If the respective Super Rugby finals in New Zealand and Australia over the weekend are anything to go by Sky Super Rugby Trans-Tasman will be an incredibly exciting tournament."

Sky Super Rugby Trans-Tasman kicks off at Forsyth Barr Stadium in Dunedin on Friday, 14 May when the Highlanders and Reds play the first of five weeks of cross-Tasman matches involving the Hurricanes, Blues, Crusaders and Chiefs from New Zealand and the Brumbies, Waratahs, Rebels and Force from Australia.

All 25 regular season matches will be live and exclusive on Sky in New Zealand as well as the final on Saturday, 19 June, which will see the two top-placed teams on a combined competition ladder square off for the title.

Innovations from Super Rugby AU which will not carry over to Sky Super Rugby Trans-Tasman are the 22/50 and 50/22 kicking law that rewarded tactical kicking, a restart variation, which saw any infringement from a kick-off result in a freekick on halfway to the receiving team, and Golden Try extra time.
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Great news!!! :thumbup:
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Yeah captains challenge seems to have been frought with controversy.

A draw can stay as a draw.
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Great they got rid of those two, would love them to get rid of line drop out for held up
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This is good news
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Monkey Magic wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 3:56 am Great they got rid of those two, would love them to get rid of line drop out for held up
I love that law! It’s the best of the new lot IMO.
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Good riddance. Just need to get rid of the drop out too, now.
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Brilliant news!!
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Forgive me for being stupid but did SRAU have the Captain's Challenge? I didn't think they did but Merts was saying "Alaalatoa needs to go for the Captain's Challenge here to find something to deny the Reds try..." at the death.

The idea of CC is good but it's just open for shit things like what happened on the weekend. Getting the TMO to look at a tackle in the hope of a red card.
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Thomas wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:29 am Forgive me for being stupid but did SRAU have the Captain's Challenge? I didn't think they did but Merts was saying "Alaalatoa needs to go for the Captain's Challenge here to find something to deny the Reds try..." at the death.

The idea of CC is good but it's just open for shit things like what happened on the weekend. Getting the TMO to look at a tackle in the hope of a red card.
It stinks.

Merts said that but it’s not in the Oz game. Having games decided by a dude in a basement with 40,000 people looking at the big screen 👎

btw, how good is Merts?! Cheika, Merts, Turinui and Maloney are the best!

Hang on, I forgot about MT being a cnut. Scratch him - he’s rubbish.
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Good. Kept the good stuff, dropped the dross.
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towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:33 am
Thomas wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:29 am Forgive me for being stupid but did SRAU have the Captain's Challenge? I didn't think they did but Merts was saying "Alaalatoa needs to go for the Captain's Challenge here to find something to deny the Reds try..." at the death.

The idea of CC is good but it's just open for shit things like what happened on the weekend. Getting the TMO to look at a tackle in the hope of a red card.

It stinks.

Merts said that but it’s not in the Oz game. Having games decided by a dude in a basement with 40,000 people looking at the big screen 👎

btw, how good is Merts?! Cheika, Merts, Turinui and Maloney are the best!

Hang on, I forgot about MT being a cnut. Scratch him - he’s rubbish.
Are they the commentators for Aussie Soup? I can’t stand the NZ ones bar the odd game where you luckily get Kane Hames. I remember Merts is usually pretty good value so hopefully we can get those guys for the upcoming games is Aus
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mrbrownstone wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:25 am Good riddance. Just need to get rid of the drop out too, now.
This!

The worst thing is, loads of us said it would be utter shite when they ideas came-up.

For some reason Rugby frequently has a crisis of confidence in itself. It always thinks it has to change the rules because the current ones aren't good enough (their fine when enforced consistently) or for some reason they think Scrums aren't entertaining(they are). It usually leads to problems like the ELV experiments in 2008 which ended up increasing
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elcamino wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:12 am
towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:33 am
Thomas wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:29 am Forgive me for being stupid but did SRAU have the Captain's Challenge? I didn't think they did but Merts was saying "Alaalatoa needs to go for the Captain's Challenge here to find something to deny the Reds try..." at the death.

The idea of CC is good but it's just open for shit things like what happened on the weekend. Getting the TMO to look at a tackle in the hope of a red card.

It stinks.

Merts said that but it’s not in the Oz game. Having games decided by a dude in a basement with 40,000 people looking at the big screen 👎

btw, how good is Merts?! Cheika, Merts, Turinui and Maloney are the best!

Hang on, I forgot about MT being a cnut. Scratch him - he’s rubbish.
Are they the commentators for Aussie Soup? I can’t stand the NZ ones bar the odd game where you luckily get Kane Hames. I remember Merts is usually pretty good value so hopefully we can get those guys for the upcoming games is Aus
SBW was good on Stan for the final too - might piss of some of his detractors to know he’s actually pretty knowledgeable about the game too, so that’s a good thing.
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Thomas wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:29 am Forgive me for being stupid but did SRAU have the Captain's Challenge? I didn't think they did but Merts was saying "Alaalatoa needs to go for the Captain's Challenge here to find something to deny the Reds try..." at the death.

The idea of CC is good but it's just open for shit things like what happened on the weekend. Getting the TMO to look at a tackle in the hope of a red card.
I can barely think of anything good about it TBH. Half the time the TMO still gets it wrong, the other the team who make the challenge get themselves in more trouble too.
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elcamino wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:12 am
towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:33 am
Thomas wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:29 am Forgive me for being stupid but did SRAU have the Captain's Challenge? I didn't think they did but Merts was saying "Alaalatoa needs to go for the Captain's Challenge here to find something to deny the Reds try..." at the death.

The idea of CC is good but it's just open for shit things like what happened on the weekend. Getting the TMO to look at a tackle in the hope of a red card.

It stinks.

Merts said that but it’s not in the Oz game. Having games decided by a dude in a basement with 40,000 people looking at the big screen 👎

btw, how good is Merts?! Cheika, Merts, Turinui and Maloney are the best!

Hang on, I forgot about MT being a cnut. Scratch him - he’s rubbish.
Are they the commentators for Aussie Soup? I can’t stand the NZ ones bar the odd game where you luckily get Kane Hames. I remember Merts is usually pretty good value so hopefully we can get those guys for the upcoming games is Aus
Up until recently, Australia had the worst commentators in world rugby. THE WORST!
Things have changed now..... it's like we've awoken from a nightmare. Merts is fantastic! Funny as f*ck. The other day in the middle of a call he referred to Nic White as a policeman from the 1800s and didn't break stride. You could hear the others laughing in the background.

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The big surprise is just how good Michael Cheika is at the tv stuff.
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towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 4:31 am
Monkey Magic wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 3:56 am Great they got rid of those two, would love them to get rid of line drop out for held up
I love that law! It’s the best of the new lot IMO.
Not wanting to opens pandoras box of a lengthy thought out towny explanation that makes sense and could see me change my mind, explain yourself.

How can a random body under the ball see an attacking side pushed back to halfway be a good thing, it's not like league where they're pretty much guaranteed to end up hot on attack again
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UncleFB wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:37 am
elcamino wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:12 am
towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:33 am
Thomas wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:29 am Forgive me for being stupid but did SRAU have the Captain's Challenge? I didn't think they did but Merts was saying "Alaalatoa needs to go for the Captain's Challenge here to find something to deny the Reds try..." at the death.

The idea of CC is good but it's just open for shit things like what happened on the weekend. Getting the TMO to look at a tackle in the hope of a red card.

It stinks.

Merts said that but it’s not in the Oz game. Having games decided by a dude in a basement with 40,000 people looking at the big screen 👎

btw, how good is Merts?! Cheika, Merts, Turinui and Maloney are the best!

Hang on, I forgot about MT being a cnut. Scratch him - he’s rubbish.
Are they the commentators for Aussie Soup? I can’t stand the NZ ones bar the odd game where you luckily get Kane Hames. I remember Merts is usually pretty good value so hopefully we can get those guys for the upcoming games is Aus
SBW was good on Stan for the final too - might piss of some of his detractors to know he’s actually pretty knowledgeable about the game too, so that’s a good thing.
He's great! Absolutely no nerves or traces of media coaching - just natural and genuine. Big surprise to me how much I like him in this role. It's pretty important too for PI representation. The game in this part of the world is dominated by players of Pacific Islands heritage and it's a bit lame if the face of the game are a few old white blokes. Without a single whinge from Alan Jones about 'diversity', the Stan team includes two women and two PI blokes.
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Monkey Magic wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:17 am
towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 4:31 am
Monkey Magic wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 3:56 am Great they got rid of those two, would love them to get rid of line drop out for held up
I love that law! It’s the best of the new lot IMO.
Not wanting to opens pandoras box of a lengthy thought out towny explanation that makes sense and could see me change my mind, explain yourself.

How can a random body under the ball see an attacking side pushed back to halfway be a good thing, it's not like league where they're pretty much guaranteed to end up hot on attack again
Firstly, the ball ends up back at the 30m line, so the attacking team is still within range. And who doesn't LOVE to see Tupou and Pone sprint the ball back into cowering defenders???
But the main reason I like it is reduces the incentive for teams to pick and drive 10 times from 2m to get a try. This part of the game doesn't reward skill and has a higher risk of injury. It's boring and it's one of the dull facets that has become more prominent in recent years - defenders are at a huge disadvantage and it's almost impossible to stop a try if they obey the offside and ruck laws, so it's often up to the refs to make big calls on multiple line ball offences.
I love scrums, but we don't need 60 a game. 59 a game is enough and having the ball in play for an extra minute isn't a bad thing.
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Monkey Magic wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 3:56 am Great they got rid of those two, would love them to get rid of line drop out for held up
Yep we dont need our game turning into league.
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eldanielfire wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:52 am
mrbrownstone wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:25 am Good riddance. Just need to get rid of the drop out too, now.
This!

The worst thing is, loads of us said it would be utter shite when they ideas came-up.

For some reason Rugby frequently has a crisis of confidence in itself. It always thinks it has to change the rules because the current ones aren't good enough (their fine when enforced consistently) or for some reason they think Scrums aren't entertaining(they are). It usually leads to problems like the ELV experiments in 2008 which ended up increasing
Scrums can be entertaining, but they aren't as fun as watching runs and tackles, are they? The Reds v Brumbies game had the most climactic conclusion EVER, and this in part due to the Reds, who had the dominant scrum AND had two Brumbies forwards in the bin, for some reason electing to take quick taps 5m out instead of a scrum that would have been a push-over. Don't get me wrong, the Reds should have taken the scrum, but the game was far more exciting because they didn't. It was already the 85 minute so an extra couple of scrums would have involved a few more minutes of blokes setting up and Brumbies wiping the grass from their face.
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Good. Biggest crock of shite.
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sorCrer wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 11:04 am Good. Biggest crock of shite.
How would you guys even know? Do you have rugby over there?
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towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:18 am
UncleFB wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:37 am
elcamino wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:12 am
towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:33 am
Thomas wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:29 am Forgive me for being stupid but did SRAU have the Captain's Challenge? I didn't think they did but Merts was saying "Alaalatoa needs to go for the Captain's Challenge here to find something to deny the Reds try..." at the death.

The idea of CC is good but it's just open for shit things like what happened on the weekend. Getting the TMO to look at a tackle in the hope of a red card.

It stinks.

Merts said that but it’s not in the Oz game. Having games decided by a dude in a basement with 40,000 people looking at the big screen 👎

btw, how good is Merts?! Cheika, Merts, Turinui and Maloney are the best!

Hang on, I forgot about MT being a cnut. Scratch him - he’s rubbish.
Are they the commentators for Aussie Soup? I can’t stand the NZ ones bar the odd game where you luckily get Kane Hames. I remember Merts is usually pretty good value so hopefully we can get those guys for the upcoming games is Aus
SBW was good on Stan for the final too - might piss of some of his detractors to know he’s actually pretty knowledgeable about the game too, so that’s a good thing.
He's great! Absolutely no nerves or traces of media coaching - just natural and genuine. Big surprise to me how much I like him in this role. It's pretty important too for PI representation. The game in this part of the world is dominated by players of Pacific Islands heritage and it's a bit lame if the face of the game are a few old white blokes. Without a single whinge from Alan Jones about 'diversity', the Stan team includes two women and two PI blokes.
And a Saffa born Kiwi ... that's a fairly small minority. ;)
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UncleFB wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 12:22 pm
towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:18 am
UncleFB wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:37 am
elcamino wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:12 am
towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:33 am

It stinks.

Merts said that but it’s not in the Oz game. Having games decided by a dude in a basement with 40,000 people looking at the big screen 👎

btw, how good is Merts?! Cheika, Merts, Turinui and Maloney are the best!

Hang on, I forgot about MT being a cnut. Scratch him - he’s rubbish.
Are they the commentators for Aussie Soup? I can’t stand the NZ ones bar the odd game where you luckily get Kane Hames. I remember Merts is usually pretty good value so hopefully we can get those guys for the upcoming games is Aus
SBW was good on Stan for the final too - might piss of some of his detractors to know he’s actually pretty knowledgeable about the game too, so that’s a good thing.
He's great! Absolutely no nerves or traces of media coaching - just natural and genuine. Big surprise to me how much I like him in this role. It's pretty important too for PI representation. The game in this part of the world is dominated by players of Pacific Islands heritage and it's a bit lame if the face of the game are a few old white blokes. Without a single whinge from Alan Jones about 'diversity', the Stan team includes two women and two PI blokes.
And a Saffa born Kiwi ... that's a fairly small minority. ;)
We don't discriminate (any more).
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towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:25 am
Monkey Magic wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:17 am
towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 4:31 am
Monkey Magic wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 3:56 am Great they got rid of those two, would love them to get rid of line drop out for held up
I love that law! It’s the best of the new lot IMO.
Not wanting to opens pandoras box of a lengthy thought out towny explanation that makes sense and could see me change my mind, explain yourself.

How can a random body under the ball see an attacking side pushed back to halfway be a good thing, it's not like league where they're pretty much guaranteed to end up hot on attack again
Firstly, the ball ends up back at the 30m line, so the attacking team is still within range. And who doesn't LOVE to see Tupou and Pone sprint the ball back into cowering defenders???
But the main reason I like it is reduces the incentive for teams to pick and drive 10 times from 2m to get a try. This part of the game doesn't reward skill and has a higher risk of injury. It's boring and it's one of the dull facets that has become more prominent in recent years - defenders are at a huge disadvantage and it's almost impossible to stop a try if they obey the offside and ruck laws, so it's often up to the refs to make big calls on multiple line ball offences.
I love scrums, but we don't need 60 a game. 59 a game is enough and having the ball in play for an extra minute isn't a bad thing.
Ah see if you were a blues fan watching them implode against the highlanders you'd see its an abomination. Player goes close to scoring, they go upstairs, called held up so dropout, blue manage to f it up, about 1 minute after being hot on attack they are kicking off again as highlanders have scored. Admittedly we can't make rules to stop the dumb play of the blues, but give us a chance
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towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:33 am
Thomas wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:29 am Forgive me for being stupid but did SRAU have the Captain's Challenge? I didn't think they did but Merts was saying "Alaalatoa needs to go for the Captain's Challenge here to find something to deny the Reds try..." at the death.

The idea of CC is good but it's just open for shit things like what happened on the weekend. Getting the TMO to look at a tackle in the hope of a red card.
It stinks.

Merts said that but it’s not in the Oz game. Having games decided by a dude in a basement with 40,000 people looking at the big screen 👎

btw, how good is Merts?! Cheika, Merts, Turinui and Maloney are the best!

Hang on, I forgot about MT being a cnut. Scratch him - he’s rubbish.
He's the bloke who sounds like he is shooting a stream of jizz across the commentary box in the lead up to a try being scored yeah?
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puku wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:30 pm
towny wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:33 am
Thomas wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:29 am Forgive me for being stupid but did SRAU have the Captain's Challenge? I didn't think they did but Merts was saying "Alaalatoa needs to go for the Captain's Challenge here to find something to deny the Reds try..." at the death.

The idea of CC is good but it's just open for shit things like what happened on the weekend. Getting the TMO to look at a tackle in the hope of a red card.
It stinks.

Merts said that but it’s not in the Oz game. Having games decided by a dude in a basement with 40,000 people looking at the big screen 👎

btw, how good is Merts?! Cheika, Merts, Turinui and Maloney are the best!

Hang on, I forgot about MT being a cnut. Scratch him - he’s rubbish.
He's the bloke who sounds like he is shooting a stream of jizz across the commentary box in the lead up to a try being scored yeah?
I think that was Sean Maloney. He’s pretty good
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