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Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:17 pm**

That seemed to have been a different level of reffing.

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:20 pm**

Never been a fan of the end justifying the means. The whole saga leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:20 pm**

Clogs wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:17 pm That seemed to have been a different level of reffing.

Clogs you funny fucker

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:30 pm**

The boks were on top for the last 60min so you tend to get the decisions when you are on top

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:48 pm**

Rassie can coach on social media

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:10 pm**

Reversal of last week, Boks got the rub of the green.

But they were good value for the win, just as Lions were last week.

Congratulations to South Africa

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:37 pm**

I've watched the greatest documentary of the 21st century (aka "Rassie does Nic Berry") twice now. It's like a Clogs and Insane Homer ref take down from years back, but in video form, and presented by the highest ranking (Director of Rugby) and lowest ranking (Water Boy) person in SA rugby.

Having seen the chaos it caused. How it silenced Gatland in all interviews (a world first?). And the result in this match. It's hard not to think that what really gets to people about Rassie, is there's a South African Director of Rugby/Water Boy, able to out think opponents. There was never a reaction like this when De Villiers or Straeuli or whoever were doing crazy/stupid/eccentric things.

How the Lions were able to illegally nullify the Bok maul in the first test, and in the second test were f**king nowhere at maul time, was the most noticeable thing. An area the Director of Rugby/Water Boy highlighted.

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm**

You must be very proud…

For the rest of us, he’s a cock who has brought the game into disrepute.. Just like Cheka before him.

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 pm**

shanky wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm You must be very proud…

For the rest of us, he’s a cock who has brought the game into disrepute.. Just like Cheka before him.

He's a rugby genius.

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:41 pm**

He might also be able to play the piano with his toes..

But I’d never buy the twat a beer

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:55 pm**

There’s a funny moment in the match when Rassie can’t understand why the Boks haven’t won the ball (around 50-55 mins in) and the actual Safa waterboy has to explain the laws to him (edit - maul straight off a kick).

The reason the Safa maul wasn’t any good last week because they didn’t mail (they only had 4 line outs last week).

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:00 am**

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:55 pm There’s a funny moment in the match when Rassie can’t understand why the Boks haven’t won the ball (around 50-55 mins in) and the actual Safa waterboy has to explain the laws to him (edit - maul straight off a kick).

The reason the Safa maul wasn’t any good last week because they didn’t mail (they only had 4 line outs last week).

Think that was Daan Human, the forwards coach

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:03 am**

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:55 pmThe reason the Safa maul wasn’t any good last week because they didn’t mail (they only had 4 line outs last week).

I refer you to the rugby genius Director of Rugby/Water Boy:
https://youtu.be/epFrwtfXF64?t=3384

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:05 am**

Clogs wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:17 pm That seemed to have been a different level of reffing.

Much better reffing. Turned the Lions to utter shite. The officiating made the Lions back 3 completely f*cking crap. Bastard Erasmus.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:11 am**

Cartman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:00 am
kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:55 pm There’s a funny moment in the match when Rassie can’t understand why the Boks haven’t won the ball (around 50-55 mins in) and the actual Safa waterboy has to explain the laws to him (edit - maul straight off a kick).

The reason the Safa maul wasn’t any good last week because they didn’t mail (they only had 4 line outs last week).
Think that was Daan Human, the forwards coach

Danke

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:10 am**

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:55 pm There’s a funny moment in the match when Rassie can’t understand why the Boks haven’t won the ball (around 50-55 mins in) and the actual Safa waterboy has to explain the laws to him (edit - maul straight off a kick).

The reason the Safa maul wasn’t any good last week because they didn’t mail (they only had 4 line outs last week).

I thought that was fvcking hilarious.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:14 am**

ox wagon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 pm
shanky wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm You must be very proud…

For the rest of us, he’s a cock who has brought the game into disrepute.. Just like Cheka before him.
He's a rugby genius.

He’s a disgrace as it stands

I’m assuming we will be seeing another video tirade after this game?..I mean colbe should’ve probably got a red, faf a yellow..

The problem with doing it as a one off after you lose, and then not doing it after you win, stinks of bad sportsmanship

I would be embarrassed if the Ab coach or any coach did that, yet some saffas think it’s ok.. you’re a weird lot

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:26 am**

brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:14 am
ox wagon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 pm
shanky wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm You must be very proud…

For the rest of us, he’s a cock who has brought the game into disrepute.. Just like Cheka before him.
He's a rugby genius.
He’s a disgrace as it stands

I’m assuming we will be seeing another video tirade after this game?..I mean colbe should’ve probably got a red, faf a yellow..

The problem with doing it as a one off after you lose, and then not doing it after you win, stinks of bad sportsmanship

I would be embarrassed if the Ab coach or any coach did that, yet some saffas think it’s ok.. you’re a weird lot

They’re ‘persecuted’ dickheads.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:26 am**

brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:14 am
ox wagon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 pm
shanky wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm You must be very proud…

For the rest of us, he’s a cock who has brought the game into disrepute.. Just like Cheka before him.
He's a rugby genius.
He’s a disgrace as it stands

I’m assuming we will be seeing another video tirade after this game?..I mean colbe should’ve probably got a red, faf a yellow..

The problem with doing it as a one off after you lose, and then not doing it after you win, stinks of bad sportsmanship

I would be embarrassed if the Ab coach or any coach did that, yet some saffas think it’s ok.. you’re a weird lot

Fossie will out think him. Few weeks in the waiting

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:23 am**

mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:26 am
brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:14 am
ox wagon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 pm
shanky wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm You must be very proud…

For the rest of us, he’s a cock who has brought the game into disrepute.. Just like Cheka before him.
He's a rugby genius.
He’s a disgrace as it stands

I’m assuming we will be seeing another video tirade after this game?..I mean colbe should’ve probably got a red, faf a yellow..

The problem with doing it as a one off after you lose, and then not doing it after you win, stinks of bad sportsmanship

I would be embarrassed if the Ab coach or any coach did that, yet some saffas think it’s ok.. you’re a weird lot
They’re ‘persecuted’ dickheads.

You see, we know it doesn't matter what we do foreigners will never respect us. To us you're irrelevant.

It was good that Rassie stood up and pointed out Kolisi was being disrespected. That Kolisi pointed out the correct law to the ref, ref turned his back on Kolisi and laughed, then the ref did his own thing. Rassie took the flak to make the job of the boy he scouted from school easier. Massive respect from the overwhelming majority of Bok fans for that, that's a real leader, and that's all we care about.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:35 am**

Kiwis should go back read JJ Stewart’s rantings after the ABs got creamed in 1976

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:26 am
brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:14 am
ox wagon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 pm
shanky wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm You must be very proud…

For the rest of us, he’s a cock who has brought the game into disrepute.. Just like Cheka before him.
He's a rugby genius.
He’s a disgrace as it stands

I’m assuming we will be seeing another video tirade after this game?..I mean colbe should’ve probably got a red, faf a yellow..

The problem with doing it as a one off after you lose, and then not doing it after you win, stinks of bad sportsmanship

I would be embarrassed if the Ab coach or any coach did that, yet some saffas think it’s ok.. you’re a weird lot
Fossie will out think him. Few weeks in the waiting

Fossie couldn’t outthink a goldfish

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:18 am**

brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:26 am
brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:14 am
ox wagon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 pm
shanky wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm You must be very proud…

For the rest of us, he’s a cock who has brought the game into disrepute.. Just like Cheka before him.
He's a rugby genius.
He’s a disgrace as it stands

I’m assuming we will be seeing another video tirade after this game?..I mean colbe should’ve probably got a red, faf a yellow..

The problem with doing it as a one off after you lose, and then not doing it after you win, stinks of bad sportsmanship

I would be embarrassed if the Ab coach or any coach did that, yet some saffas think it’s ok.. you’re a weird lot
Fossie will out think him. Few weeks in the waiting
Fossie couldn’t outthink a goldfish

Goldfish vs Rugby genius then.

Rassie havent lost in NZ since Bok coach. Going to be interesting when the Bokke arrive in NZ.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:22 am**

ox wagon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:37 pm I've watched the greatest documentary of the 21st century (aka "Rassie does Nic Berry") twice now. It's like a Clogs and Insane Homer ref take down from years back, but in video form, and presented by the highest ranking (Director of Rugby) and lowest ranking (Water Boy) person in SA rugby.

Having seen the chaos it caused. How it silenced Gatland in all interviews (a world first?). And the result in this match. It's hard not to think that what really gets to people about Rassie, is there's a South African Director of Rugby/Water Boy, able to out think opponents. There was never a reaction like this when De Villiers or Straeuli or whoever were doing crazy/stupid/eccentric things.

How the Lions were able to illegally nullify the Bok maul in the first test, and in the second test were f**king nowhere at maul time, was the most noticeable thing. An area the Director of Rugby/Water Boy highlighted.

It was poor sportsmanship and did our game a disservice.

Enjoy the win.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:25 am**

ox wagon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:23 am
mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:26 am
brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:14 am
ox wagon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 pm
shanky wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm You must be very proud…

For the rest of us, he’s a cock who has brought the game into disrepute.. Just like Cheka before him.
He's a rugby genius.
He’s a disgrace as it stands

I’m assuming we will be seeing another video tirade after this game?..I mean colbe should’ve probably got a red, faf a yellow..

The problem with doing it as a one off after you lose, and then not doing it after you win, stinks of bad sportsmanship

I would be embarrassed if the Ab coach or any coach did that, yet some saffas think it’s ok.. you’re a weird lot
They’re ‘persecuted’ dickheads.

You see, we know it doesn't matter what we do foreigners will never respect us. To us you're irrelevant.

It was good that Rassie stood up and pointed out Kolisi was being disrespected. That Kolisi pointed out the correct law to the ref, ref turned his back on Kolisi and laughed, then the ref did his own thing. Rassie took the flak to make the job of the boy he scouted from school easier. Massive respect from the overwhelming majority of Bok fans for that, that's a real leader, and that's all we care about.

And we don’t care that you think our thoughts are irrelevant, but what you should and need to understand is the way processes are carried out in rugby -and they are not in a public video tirade

There’s nothing good or respectful about the way in which he tried to crucify the ref, but I’m not sure some saffa fans get irony

As i said - you’re a weird lot

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:33 am**

ox wagon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:23 am
mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:26 am
brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:14 am
ox wagon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 pm
shanky wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm You must be very proud…

For the rest of us, he’s a cock who has brought the game into disrepute.. Just like Cheka before him.
He's a rugby genius.
He’s a disgrace as it stands

I’m assuming we will be seeing another video tirade after this game?..I mean colbe should’ve probably got a red, faf a yellow..

The problem with doing it as a one off after you lose, and then not doing it after you win, stinks of bad sportsmanship

I would be embarrassed if the Ab coach or any coach did that, yet some saffas think it’s ok.. you’re a weird lot
They’re ‘persecuted’ dickheads.

You see, we know it doesn't matter what we do foreigners will never respect us. To us you're irrelevant.

It was good that Rassie stood up and pointed out Kolisi was being disrespected. That Kolisi pointed out the correct law to the ref, ref turned his back on Kolisi and laughed, then the ref did his own thing. Rassie took the flak to make the job of the boy he scouted from school easier. Massive respect from the overwhelming majority of Bok fans for that, that's a real leader, and that's all we care about.

Keiran Read also pointed out a correct law to a ref in an even more crucial B&I Lions test and also got nowhere. I don't recall any crying by coach or player about him being direspected. In fact that took that series draw and shitty call better then the Boks or Lions would have, the way they've both been carrying on.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:39 am**

brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:25 amAnd we don’t care that you think our thoughts are irrelevant,

We're just lying to each other now.

brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:25 ambut what you should and need to understand is the way processes are carried out in rugby -and they are not in a public video tirade

Wasn't working, Berry needed to be confronted publicly that he was treating Kolisi differently (surely we can all agree from what we can see of the man a decent/humble/polite man who plays fair and has achieved a fair bit in the sport). Kolisi himself has said this week he's struggled with being ignored by refs and he's considered not being polite.

brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:25 amThere’s nothing good or respectful about the way in which he tried to crucify the ref,

Itoje knelled on De Allende's neck, then dived with his hands in the air full soccer style when De Allende reacted with hardly anything. Biggar ran into his own player, then dived onto the ground clutching his back/kidneys, only to get up fully recovered when he realised it wasn't a Springbok he ran into (f**king hilarious). This is professionalism, this is the game now. Of course the ref is going to be crucified if he's shithouse. All the soccer elements of professionalism have been coming in for years.

So here's the problem for you. Kolisi is an example of someone resisting all this, and what happens to him? Tells the ref the correct law, ref turns his back on him and laughs.

brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:25 ambut I’m not sure some saffa fans get irony

Most South Africans are very literal, like all nice people are.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:41 am**

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:22 am
ox wagon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:37 pm I've watched the greatest documentary of the 21st century (aka "Rassie does Nic Berry") twice now. It's like a Clogs and Insane Homer ref take down from years back, but in video form, and presented by the highest ranking (Director of Rugby) and lowest ranking (Water Boy) person in SA rugby.

Having seen the chaos it caused. How it silenced Gatland in all interviews (a world first?). And the result in this match. It's hard not to think that what really gets to people about Rassie, is there's a South African Director of Rugby/Water Boy, able to out think opponents. There was never a reaction like this when De Villiers or Straeuli or whoever were doing crazy/stupid/eccentric things.

How the Lions were able to illegally nullify the Bok maul in the first test, and in the second test were f**king nowhere at maul time, was the most noticeable thing. An area the Director of Rugby/Water Boy highlighted.
It was poor sportsmanship and did our game a disservice.

Enjoy the win.

Keep supporting the Lions. Kiss of death supporter.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:45 am**

ox wagon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:39 am There’s nothing good or respectful about the way in which he tried to crucify the ref, Itoje knelled on De Allende's neck, then dived with his hands in the air full soccer style when De Allende reacted with hardly anything. Biggar ran into his own player, then dived onto the ground clutching his back/kidneys, only to get up fully recovered when he realised it wasn't a Springbok he ran into (f**king hilarious). This is professionalism, this is the game now. Of course the ref is going to be crucified if he's shithouse. All the soccer elements of professionalism have been coming in for years.

So here's the problem for you. Kolisi is an example of someone resisting all this, and what happens to him? Tells the ref the correct law, ref turns his back on him and laughs.

That was embarrasing, English Premier League diving.

It reward Etsebeth ripping off his hairdo.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:47 am**

Itoje misunderstood 'take the knee'

https://twitter.com/SARugbymag/status/1 ... 1749947397

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:48 am**

ox wagon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:23 am
mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:26 am
brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:14 am
ox wagon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 pm
shanky wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm You must be very proud…

For the rest of us, he’s a cock who has brought the game into disrepute.. Just like Cheka before him.
He's a rugby genius.
He’s a disgrace as it stands

I’m assuming we will be seeing another video tirade after this game?..I mean colbe should’ve probably got a red, faf a yellow..

The problem with doing it as a one off after you lose, and then not doing it after you win, stinks of bad sportsmanship

I would be embarrassed if the Ab coach or any coach did that, yet some saffas think it’s ok.. you’re a weird lot
They’re ‘persecuted’ dickheads.

You see, we know it doesn't matter what we do foreigners will never respect us. To us you're irrelevant.

It was good that Rassie stood up and pointed out Kolisi was being disrespected. That Kolisi pointed out the correct law to the ref, ref turned his back on Kolisi and laughed, then the ref did his own thing. Rassie took the flak to make the job of the boy he scouted from school easier. Massive respect from the overwhelming majority of Bok fans for that, that's a real leader, and that's all we care about.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:52 am**

ox wagon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:39 am
brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:25 amAnd we don’t care that you think our thoughts are irrelevant,
We're just lying to each other now.
brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:25 ambut what you should and need to understand is the way processes are carried out in rugby -and they are not in a public video tirade
Wasn't working, Berry needed to be confronted publicly that he was treating Kolisi differently (surely we can all agree from what we can see of the man a decent/humble/polite man who plays fair and has achieved a fair bit in the sport). Kolisi himself has said this week he's struggled with being ignored by refs and he's considered not being polite.
brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:25 amThere’s nothing good or respectful about the way in which he tried to crucify the ref,
Itoje knelled on De Allende's neck, then dived with his hands in the air full soccer style when De Allende reacted with hardly anything. Biggar ran into his own player, then dived onto the ground clutching his back/kidneys, only to get up fully recovered when he realised it wasn't a Springbok he ran into (f**king hilarious). This is professionalism, this is the game now. Of course the ref is going to be crucified if he's shithouse. All the soccer elements of professionalism have been coming in for years.

So here's the problem for you. Kolisi is an example of someone resisting all this, and what happens to him? Tells the ref the correct law, ref turns his back on him and laughs.
brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:25 ambut I’m not sure some saffa fans get irony
Most South Africans are very literal, like all nice people are.

Yeh..you're not getting it

I don't want to go down a rabbit hole talking about individual events in the match..thats irrelevant to me

What annoyed most people will be the way he carried on in a public arena and crucified mostly one individual

Just because you perceive someone being treated differently on the rugby field does not give you the right to do what he did ..in the manner he did it..and all under the guise of "rugby director/waterboy" ..whatever the hell he is now

That's not the correct protocol..for obvious reasons

And doing it after his team lost as well..stinks of bad sportsmanship.. surely you can see this..maybe not..if not I can't help you

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:54 am**

Rassie got what he wanted. 25 penalties, a full 50% more against the Lions, and not so much as a slap on the wrist.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:56 am**

Sefton wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:42 amWow, that’s some persecution complex.

"Nobody likes and we don't care" didn't you guys invent that?

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:57 am**

the Boks aren't alone in this

one sees it in the way the French and Argentinians are treated on the field by anglophone refs

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:03 am**

brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:52 amWhat annoyed most people will be the way he carried on in a public arena and crucified mostly one individual

Just because you perceive someone being treated differently on the rugby field does not give you the right to do what he did ..in the manner he did it.

Yes he was humiliated in a situation where he had no power. Just like Kolisi in the test he reffed. Shrug.

brat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:52 amAnd doing it after his team lost as well..stinks of bad sportsmanship.. surely you can see this..maybe not..if not I can't help you

It wasn't about that match though was it. Because the Boks hadn't lost the series, it was about the next two matches. Gatland has carried on for f**king years in the media. Shrug.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:06 am**

If Trump style classless bullying is your thing.. then Rassie is indeed a genius. And like Trump his supporters don't care what he says or does... he's right. Just because...

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:07 am**

Monk Zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:57 am the Boks aren't alone in this

one sees it in the way the French and Argentinians are treated on the field by anglophone refs

You'll enjoy this I suspect chief:
https://twitter.com/wildebees/status/14 ... 0101921795

A choice Guscott quote in there from 2007, where he says Habana is too dumb to benefit from Jones' coaching.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:08 am**

Commenting as a coach via regular media interviews vs an hour long blow by blow attempt to crucify critique of an official with associated footage isn’t the same thing in my mind.

Posted: **Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:11 am**

mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:08 am Commenting as a coach via regular media interviews vs an hour long blow by blow attempt to crucify critique of an official with associated footage isn’t the same thing in my mind.

Exactly. Why give an hour long interview where quotes are picked out that may or may not be representative of your view (Jake White fell into this one), when the means exist to cut out the middleman.

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