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Somebody needs to have a word with Gregor Paul. Quick!
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Kiwias wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:51 am
Ted. wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:06 am I want to see Bkackadder or Papilii at 6, Ardie at 7 with Akira at 8.

That is our best loose forward trio, give or take a 6. :nod:
In full agreement with this backrow, as long as Blackadder is the first choice at 6 :nod:
Well, they can both play either position, but yes, Blackadder would possibly be a better starter at six. Obviously, Papilii is the more accomplished 7 and, long term, I suspect he could have a greater upside in either position. Time will tell. It's nice that things are falling into place also expect both players to figure in 2023 - what to do with Sam Cane though, i seriously don' think he is good enough as a pure 7, he's a hybrid.
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Sky Sport NZ is replaying the 96 Bledisloe test from Athletic Park right now, gosh I remember this game so well. The best wet weather Rugby I've ever seen.
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Flockwitt wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:04 am Somebody needs to have a word with Gregor Paul. Quick!
His latest article that none of this AB 23 would be a sure pick for a World XV but many of the Wallabies would?
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badmannotinjapan wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:32 am
Couch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:29 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:26 am
Toro wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:19 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:10 am Is a anyone concerned with the 10 tries we've conceded?
I think context is important, most would've been conceded when the game was gone. That isn't an excuse but it speaks more about concentration and lack of bench cohesion more than anything. They're showing some of the best defence I've seen for a long time but we need to stay strong on the inside-ball and inside-step D, this is clearly where we loosen up. Defending the centre of the ruck has been an AB weakness for years now, but credit to the Wobs 9's for exploiting this too.
That's fair but today 2 tries were conceded early in the 2nd half after returning back to 15.

Inside D has been shocking. TM is having a field day.
I'm sure Argentina and South Africa are taking notes and will target these areas of weakness, Australia almost couldn't believe their luck sometimes.
Faf is going to murder us.
I'm not sure it is where Faf is particularly dangerous, but Dupont will if we arrive at the French game this loose.

I'm not sure, apart from WC status, what should have us massively worried about the Boks. They are much more direct and don't manipulate space as well as the wobs. With the way we've been defending frontal attacks I think we'll find it easier.
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Carlos Barrett 1/5 conversions.

DMac 0/1.
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Couch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:07 am Sky Sport NZ is replaying the 96 Bledisloe test from Athletic Park right now, gosh I remember this game so well. The best wet weather Rugby I've ever seen.
Weather aside, it's one of the best AB performances I've ever seen. Add in the weather and it has to almost be considered the best.
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Couch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:07 am Sky Sport NZ is replaying the 96 Bledisloe test from Athletic Park right now, gosh I remember this game so well. The best wet weather Rugby I've ever seen.
I was there, sitting in the Old Stand. :thumbup:
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jdogscoop wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:09 am Carlos Barrett 1/5 conversions.

DMac 0/1.
DMac 0/2
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MungoMan wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:40 am T

Sadly, I can’t see much of this changing given where the XV-a-side code sits in the food chain of Strayan winter men’s’ team sports.
That is not why the Wobblies have poor passing catching skills etc, that is learnt at lower level so maybe you need to look at schoolboy coaching?
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mr bungle wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:08 am
Flockwitt wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:04 am Somebody needs to have a word with Gregor Paul. Quick!
His latest article that none of this AB 23 would be a sure pick for a World XV but many of the Wallabies would?
Lead headline as of a few minutes ago... "The Best Defense in Years!"
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Couch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:07 am Sky Sport NZ is replaying the 96 Bledisloe test from Athletic Park right now, gosh I remember this game so well. The best wet weather Rugby I've ever seen.
Interesting to see some no-name at 10 for the Wobs and Larkham on the bench.

Also funny to see how uninspiring the haka was compared to now, and still it was a talking point of it giving them a psychological advantage haha. I thought today's haka was mean. :thumbup:
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Dan54. wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:00 am I'm buggered if I can get this our defence is shit stuff. We have just won 3 tests off the back of our defence. Ok we have let in the odd try, but mentally any AB team (or any test team)I have ever seen will let in tries. We are winning tests with less then 50% of the ball, you have to have a reasonable defence to do that surely, or am I missing how the game is played!

I enjoyed game and thought ABs went bloody well !
Have to agree Dan. Great effort today being down 1 man for 20 minutes.
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Hareaway wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:51 am Akira I take it all back …
Yep he is playing well and deserves MOM. He has come up in my estimation. The real test will be against the Boks, but that goes for the whole team. Just hope he keeps getting better
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Ted. wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:10 am
Couch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:07 am Sky Sport NZ is replaying the 96 Bledisloe test from Athletic Park right now, gosh I remember this game so well. The best wet weather Rugby I've ever seen.
I was there, sitting in the Old Stand. :thumbup:
Me too mate, was on top of Old Millard right at front on the 25 down end the ABs towards in first half.
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les@mooloolaba wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:13 am
MungoMan wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:40 am T

Sadly, I can’t see much of this changing given where the XV-a-side code sits in the food chain of Strayan winter men’s’ team sports.
That is not why the Wobblies have poor passing catching skills etc, that is learnt at lower level so maybe you need to look at schoolboy coaching?
I said that poorly. Strayan etc male etc was what I had in mind. You are right in thinking the skills deficit doesn’t arrive in a rush when potential Wobs reach adulthood.
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mr bungle wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:12 am
jdogscoop wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:09 am Carlos Barrett 1/5 conversions.

DMac 0/1.
DMac 0/2
Both DMac's kicks were tough and he didn't miss by much. BB missed two gimme's at least, the last was almost right in front.
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mr bungle wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:09 am
Couch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:07 am Sky Sport NZ is replaying the 96 Bledisloe test from Athletic Park right now, gosh I remember this game so well. The best wet weather Rugby I've ever seen.
Weather aside, it's one of the best AB performances I've ever seen. Add in the weather and it has to almost be considered the best.
Up there with the 1st Test vs Wales in 1969, straight off their victory in the 5N. Still 3 points for a try and we blanked them 19 - 0 on a wet Lancaster Park after it had rained all week and through the entire match.
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Toro wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:14 am
Couch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:07 am Sky Sport NZ is replaying the 96 Bledisloe test from Athletic Park right now, gosh I remember this game so well. The best wet weather Rugby I've ever seen.
Interesting to see some no-name at 10 for the Wobs and Larkham on the bench.

Also funny to see how uninspiring the haka was compared to now, and still it was a talking point of it giving them a psychological advantage haha. I thought today's haka was mean. :thumbup:
Scott Bowen played 10 or so Wallaby tests. Larkham probably fullback first and foremost in 96?
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badmannotinjapan wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:32 am
Couch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:29 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:26 am
Toro wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:19 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:10 am Is a anyone concerned with the 10 tries we've conceded?
I think context is important, most would've been conceded when the game was gone. That isn't an excuse but it speaks more about concentration and lack of bench cohesion more than anything. They're showing some of the best defence I've seen for a long time but we need to stay strong on the inside-ball and inside-step D, this is clearly where we loosen up. Defending the centre of the ruck has been an AB weakness for years now, but credit to the Wobs 9's for exploiting this too.
That's fair but today 2 tries were conceded early in the 2nd half after returning back to 15.

Inside D has been shocking. TM is having a field day.
I'm sure Argentina and South Africa are taking notes and will target these areas of weakness, Australia almost couldn't believe their luck sometimes.
Faf is going to murder us.
Nah all he is good for is kicking
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Kiwias wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:38 am
mr bungle wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:09 am
Couch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:07 am Sky Sport NZ is replaying the 96 Bledisloe test from Athletic Park right now, gosh I remember this game so well. The best wet weather Rugby I've ever seen.
Weather aside, it's one of the best AB performances I've ever seen. Add in the weather and it has to almost be considered the best.
Up there with the 1st Test vs Wales in 1969, straight off their victory in the 5N. Still 3 points for a try and we blanked them 19 - 0 on a wet Lancaster Park after it had rained all week and through the entire match.
:thumbup:
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Are the Stuff ratings correct in noting that Beauden Barrett had zero running metres? That is astonishing if accurate. I said during the game that he was understated and not taking on the line but still, zero???
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Ted. wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:10 am
Couch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:07 am Sky Sport NZ is replaying the 96 Bledisloe test from Athletic Park right now, gosh I remember this game so well. The best wet weather Rugby I've ever seen.
I was there, sitting in the Old Stand. :thumbup:
I was glad i wasn’t, it was bloody cold that day.
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You have to feel sorry for Jordie Barrett. He finally gets his chance at fullback, looks good, scores a try, takes a high kick well, and finds himself rather dubiously red-carded. I hope he doesn't get a suspension and gets another run in the next test.
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JB1981 wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:49 am Are the Stuff ratings correct in noting that Beauden Barrett had zero running metres? That is astonishing if accurate. I said during the game that he was understated and not taking on the line but still, zero???
He ran quite a bit. :?
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Among a fairly sober set of ratings Akira Ioane apparently played the perfect game.

10/10. :lol:

I'm not convinced he was quite that good.
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JB1981 wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:49 am Are the Stuff ratings correct in noting that Beauden Barrett had zero running metres? That is astonishing if accurate. I said during the game that he was understated and not taking on the line but still, zero???
Stuff rating are for casual fans. They gave Papalii a 5/10 saying he was strong at the breakdown yet unseen elsewhere. The same breakdown the All Blacks utterly dominated. Strange.
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jdogscoop wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:26 am Among a fairly sober set of ratings Akira Ioane apparently played the perfect game.

10/10. :lol:

I'm not convinced he was quite that good.
He was monstrous tbf, easily best on ground, 10/10 is silly stuff though.
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There will likely be some forced changes for the ABs in the next game against Argentina and potentially some rotation.
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The reason DMac missed those two kicks is simple:

He doesn't smile enough any more
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The Native wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:27 am
JB1981 wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:49 am Are the Stuff ratings correct in noting that Beauden Barrett had zero running metres? That is astonishing if accurate. I said during the game that he was understated and not taking on the line but still, zero???
Stuff rating are for casual fans. They gave Papalii a 5/10 saying he was strong at the breakdown yet unseen elsewhere. The same breakdown the All Blacks utterly dominated. Strange.
Our midfield pairing had their fair share of turnoverball today
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sorCrer wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:17 am
JB1981 wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:49 am Are the Stuff ratings correct in noting that Beauden Barrett had zero running metres? That is astonishing if accurate. I said during the game that he was understated and not taking on the line but still, zero???
He ran quite a bit. :?
Did he make the gainline though? I don't recall his running being particularly incisive (or even memorable in any way)
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jdogscoop wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:26 am Among a fairly sober set of ratings Akira Ioane apparently played the perfect game.

10/10. :lol:

I'm not convinced he was quite that good.
The only ever available 10/10 is Dan Carter vs B&I Lions. 2nd Test. Wellington 2005.

It’s only ever possible to get 9.5/10 after that game
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Cullen wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:11 pm
jdogscoop wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:26 am Among a fairly sober set of ratings Akira Ioane apparently played the perfect game.

10/10. :lol:

I'm not convinced he was quite that good.
The only ever available 10/10 is Dan Carter vs B&I Lions. 2nd Test. Wellington 2005.

It’s only ever possible to get 9.5/10 after that game
:thumbup: :)
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The AB goalkicking was utterly gash today. Bad enough to cost us a test match in a tight one - again.
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Cullen wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:11 pm
jdogscoop wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:26 am Among a fairly sober set of ratings Akira Ioane apparently played the perfect game.

10/10. :lol:

I'm not convinced he was quite that good.
The only ever available 10/10 is Dan Carter vs B&I Lions. 2nd Test. Wellington 2005.

It’s only ever possible to get 9.5/10 after that game
It's really too bad that he got injured , I would have liked to see him torture them more in the 3rd test. Magic
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The Native wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:27 am
JB1981 wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:49 am Are the Stuff ratings correct in noting that Beauden Barrett had zero running metres? That is astonishing if accurate. I said during the game that he was understated and not taking on the line but still, zero???
Stuff rating are for casual fans. They gave Papalii a 5/10 saying he was strong at the breakdown yet unseen elsewhere. The same breakdown the All Blacks utterly dominated. Strange.
I thought Dalton was immense today. Akira may get the plaudits, but Dalton was knocking players over for fun and made a number of covering tackles. He was more Kaino than anyone else on the pitch...

In saying that, the game lacked intensity to tell us anything about NZ prospects v SA.. which should be a totally different game...
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Toro wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:52 am
Ellafan wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:43 am
Toro wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:39 am
Ellafan wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:35 amSo you disagree with Andrew Merhtens, who pointed out there were NO AB players in the breakdown over the ball.
I just explained it. Of course I disagree, it was black and white, the TMO hardly had to look at it twice it was so obvious. He had to be the hindmost player bound in his team to pick that ball up, simples.
No, you claimed there was an AB player on his feet over the ball; Mehrts' point is he couldn't see one, so no offside line.

I reckon Merhts is right, so if you want have an argument about it, maybe you should email him or something.
One man from the attacking side over the ball, you and Merhts need to brush up on your law changes, it's not that new.
TBF I thought Mehrtens did a good job explaining what you need under the law for a ruck, which far too many people still don’t understand. Unfortunately he only did half a job on the analysis by not discussing what happens at a tackle vs. a ruck.

That said, he is a massive upgrade over Kearns and Marto who failed a generation of fans by failing to explain how an offside line was formed under the previous laws. Too many fans simply don’t know the laws, or stay current with changes, and if commentators can up their game on that front it would be a boon to the viewing public.

EDIT: Toro, looking at it again, Retallick made contact with Kerevi by placing a hand on him just before he picked the ball up. Is that type of brief contact with an opposition player on his feet over the ball sufficient for the “in physical contact” portion of the definition to form a ruck?
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Anyone watching the Stan coverage note Toomua lobbying for his job back at halftime?

Pretty blatantly noting the errors by the young guys, helpfully pointing out the missed touchfinder from a penalty and easy miss from in front?

Gees, friends, enemies etc.
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I was pleased to see NZ maintain standards and not drop intensity, as we have seen for “dead rubbers” in the past. The absence of some top players and the new leadership may have helped maintain focus. Lots to like but still question marks over the scrum on opposition feed and the lineout was rough once we lost Taylor. No “Sweet Caroline” was a black mark.

We will know more about how good NZ are or how bad the Wallabies are after next week but very hard to not admire Hooper. If he can’t inspire the Wallabies to greater things I am not sure who can.
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