Barrett can’t hit the broadside of a barn !

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Barrett’s kicking from 20m out in front of bloody atrocious.

Honestly 12 year olds are expected to throw those over - WTF gives ?
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If you're suggesting Zarn Sullivan should be flown over immediately to join the AB squad I certainly agree.
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I think he had given up by his last attempt.
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Absolutely pathetic. We have lost test matches in the past due to his woeful kicking and will again if they persist with him. Why on earth do they keep giving him the goal kicking duties when you have Jordie Barrett or Damien McKenzie starting?
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I reckon there would be a 1/3 of the team that could kick those !!
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As crap as BB was today, McKenzie also failed.
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Auckman wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:35 pm As crap as BB was today, McKenzie also failed.
Barrett was a real mixed bag, 3 from 3 the give the buffer and then some genuinely puzzling misses with his last 3 to end up with 50%. Looked like a drop off in concentration for the first miss which then just appeared to compound after that. McKenzie at least had some difficulty factor for his.
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Auckman wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:35 pm As crap as BB was today, McKenzie also failed.
McKenzie at least looked like he had kicked a football before....
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Interesting stat that all the successful kicks were at one end. Barrett was 75% and Lolesio 100% when kicking in that direction. Barrett, McKenzie and Lolesio collectively, at 0% at the other end.
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Pakia Pakia wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:18 pm If you're suggesting Zarn Sullivan should be flown over immediately to join the AB squad I certainly agree.
:lol: :lol:
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Pakia Pakia wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:18 pm If you're suggesting Zarn Sullivan should be flown over immediately to join the AB squad I certainly agree.
:lol: :nod: Me too.
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I'm not too worried about his goal kicking. What really worries me is that we have just one specialist 10 in the squad. If Barrett gets injured tomorrow at training then Damien McKenzie is the All Blacks starting first five, and Dave Havili is his backup. That's a worrying situation against the Springboks.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:15 pm I'm not too worried about his goal kicking. What really worries me is that we have just one specialist 10 in the squad. If Barrett gets injured tomorrow at training then Damien McKenzie is the All Blacks starting first five, and Dave Havili is his backup. That's a worrying situation against the Springboks.
RMo should be back by then...
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obelixtim wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:24 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:15 pm I'm not too worried about his goal kicking. What really worries me is that we have just one specialist 10 in the squad. If Barrett gets injured tomorrow at training then Damien McKenzie is the All Blacks starting first five, and Dave Havili is his backup. That's a worrying situation against the Springboks.
RMo should be back by then...
Very unlikely apparently. The only one of Coles, Smith, Whitelock and Mo'unga who might be back for the Boks is Whitelock... according to Stuff
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Grandpa wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:27 pm
obelixtim wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:24 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:15 pm I'm not too worried about his goal kicking. What really worries me is that we have just one specialist 10 in the squad. If Barrett gets injured tomorrow at training then Damien McKenzie is the All Blacks starting first five, and Dave Havili is his backup. That's a worrying situation against the Springboks.
RMo should be back by then...
Very unlikely apparently. The only one of Coles, Smith, Whitelock and Mo'unga who might be back for the Boks is Whitelock... according to Stuff
What’s Sam’s kicking like?
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Mr Mike wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:32 pm
Grandpa wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:27 pm
obelixtim wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:24 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:15 pm I'm not too worried about his goal kicking. What really worries me is that we have just one specialist 10 in the squad. If Barrett gets injured tomorrow at training then Damien McKenzie is the All Blacks starting first five, and Dave Havili is his backup. That's a worrying situation against the Springboks.
RMo should be back by then...
Very unlikely apparently. The only one of Coles, Smith, Whitelock and Mo'unga who might be back for the Boks is Whitelock... according to Stuff
What’s Sam’s kicking like?
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2zjc5o
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None of the kickers had an especially good night did they? What are the wind conditions at that stadium?
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Enough already , this a constant with BB easy points missed through a complete lack of focus and basic skill set .

I simply don’t understand how such a talented player can miss sitter after sitter.

Worse is he continues to be given a pass .
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booji boy wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:35 pm Absolutely pathetic. We have lost test matches in the past due to his woeful kicking and will again if they persist with him. Why on earth do they keep giving him the goal kicking duties when you have Jordie Barrett or Damien McKenzie starting?
Stupid rugby conventions about the bloke in the 10 shirt getting the first refusal of the kicking tee? I don't get it. Was it Barrett also missing them when Dagg offered to have a go?

If there was someone else with more confidence in a squad, I'd happily hand him the tee to allow the FH to think more about that role and not ever be flustered during the match after a miss. (See: Larkham and Mortlock)
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Mr Mike wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:50 pm Interesting stat that all the successful kicks were at one end. Barrett was 75% and Lolesio 100% when kicking in that direction. Barrett, McKenzie and Lolesio collectively, at 0% at the other end.
Seems as if the Fremantle Doctor was in attendance at the member's end
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Never fear - Ethan Blackadder is waiting in the wings.

https://rugbyonslaught.com/unexpected-r ... o10-shirt/
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Kahu wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:29 am
Mr Mike wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:50 pm Interesting stat that all the successful kicks were at one end. Barrett was 75% and Lolesio 100% when kicking in that direction. Barrett, McKenzie and Lolesio collectively, at 0% at the other end.
Seems as if the Fremantle Doctor was in attendance at the member's end
The Doctor is a summertime visitor and there isn't a member's end.
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Nieghorn wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:28 am
booji boy wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:35 pm Absolutely pathetic. We have lost test matches in the past due to his woeful kicking and will again if they persist with him. Why on earth do they keep giving him the goal kicking duties when you have Jordie Barrett or Damien McKenzie starting?
Stupid rugby conventions about the bloke in the 10 shirt getting the first refusal of the kicking tee? I don't get it. Was it Barrett also missing them when Dagg offered to have a go?

If there was someone else with more confidence in a squad, I'd happily hand him the tee to allow the FH to think more about that role and not ever be flustered during the match after a miss. (See: Larkham and Mortlock)
Havili can kick, although he doesn't do a lot of it. He does take the odd long shot though.
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Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:38 am Never fear - Ethan Blackadder is waiting in the wings.

https://rugbyonslaught.com/unexpected-r ... o10-shirt/
Slacky for 1st 5!!!
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Eugenius wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:10 am Enough already , this a constant with BB easy points missed through a complete lack of focus and basic skill set .

I simply don’t understand how such a talented player can miss sitter after sitter.

Worse is he continues to be given a pass .
Two of the misses were from wide out but it wasn't the fact he missed it was the nature of the miss. Absolutely appalling technique and it looked like a couple of fly hacks by a prop in his final match being given the last kick in the 79th minute. McKenzie missed a couple from a similar spot but at least his were reasonable attempts that sailed wide of the uprights. Both Beaudens attempts flew like a shot duck. As for the miss right in front... 🤦‍♂️
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He’s getting worse if anything .
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So now it's confirmed that Beauden Barrett can't kick goals who do we want starting next week at 10 against Argentina?

Is it zero goals kicked McKenzie or is it David Havili and ALB moving to 10 and 12 with Ioane moving back to center?
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Pakia Pakia wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:51 am So now it's confirmed that Beauden Barrett can't kick goals who do we want starting next week at 10 against Argentina?

Is it zero goals kicked McKenzie or is it David Havili and ALB moving to 10 and 12 with Ioane moving back to center?
Beauden can play 10 we will just need a goal kicking fullback. If the judiciary frowns upon Jordie then it may need to be DMac.
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Pakia Pakia wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:51 am So now it's confirmed that Beauden Barrett can't kick goals who do we want starting next week at 10 against Argentina?

Is it zero goals kicked McKenzie or is it David Havili and ALB moving to 10 and 12 with Ioane moving back to center?
We have no choice other than to continue using BB. That is the strategy for this tour, along with some hope and a bit of simple faith.

I think BB himself will want to keep the kicking duties as my perception, skewed as it is through my long held opinion that he's not really the 10 he and others think he is, is that he isn't the sort of guy to relinquish privilege easily. He will want to be The Guy and he probably believes that he is.

We have other kickers who can cover the place kicking duties. Perhaps we need to use them more... it's hardly unprecedented after all and the outside commentary that will accompany any such move can, could and should be ignored.
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Jordie was having a good game yesterday prior to the red card. When both Beauden and Jordie are starting I've never understood why the selectors don't utilise Jordie's superior goal kicking.
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Starting more than one Barrett brother is jinxed. One at a time please.
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Pakia Pakia wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:45 am Starting more than one Barrett brother is jinxed. One at a time please.
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If you watch those 3 missed kicks of BB closely, on all 3 occasions he rolled his right foot over on impact. This has exactly the same result for right handed golfers rolling their right wrists over too early. In golf it's a pull or even a hook. Barrett merely rolled the right foot / ankle over & tugged them left.

In BB's case it is merely a case of timing which hopefully he can sort out by next weekend.
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David Hill is the kicking coach and it tells.. It really should be Grant Fox coaching these guys, he was Mr. Reliable in his heyday.
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booji boy wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:59 am Jordie was having a good game yesterday prior to the red card. When both Beauden and Jordie are starting I've never understood why the selectors don't utilise Jordie's superior goal kicking.
Have always wondered this myself. I have no stats to prove it but Jordie looks by far the better goal kicker.
Not only that, he punts the ball a lot further, why not get him to kick for touch both from general play as well as penalties?
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Fozzie of course isn’t fazed saying he’s not remotely worried .

Didn’t Hansen insist exactly the same years ago ...
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Even weirder foster came out with the, between the two things of playing well and goal kicking I'd prefer that he played well which he did.

Um, he's an international 10 ffs, they shouldn't be one or the other
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Eugenius wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:15 pm Fozzie of course isn’t fazed saying he’s not remotely worried .

Didn’t Hansen insist exactly the same years ago ...
Yes Hansen even used the analogy that goal kicking is like golf and even the best like Tiger Woods have off days. What a crock of shit. Yes the best goal kickers like Fox, Carter and Wilkinson have off days but they are rare and their technique is sound. BB goal kicking technique is dodgy as fcuk and his off days are far too frequent.

I remember when they selected Jordie Barrett for the 3rd Lions test and when questioned why Jordie wasn't handed the goal kicking duties he used the ridiculous excuse that he didn't want to put the young man under too much pressure. Come on! What if your 10 is injured and you have to bring in a debutante at 10. Of course you'll hand him the goal kicking duties and so you should if he is a regular goal kicker who kicks goals for his Super/Provincial or club teams.
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booji boy wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:52 pm
Eugenius wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:15 pm Fozzie of course isn’t fazed saying he’s not remotely worried .

Didn’t Hansen insist exactly the same years ago ...
Yes Hansen even used the analogy that goal kicking is like golf and even the best like Tiger Woods have off days. What a crock of shit. Yes the best goal kickers like Fox, Carter and Wilkinson have off days but they are rare and their technique is sound. BB goal kicking technique is dodgy as fcuk and his off days are far too frequent.

I remember when they selected Jordie Barrett for the 3rd Lions test and when questioned why Jordie wasn't handed the goal kicking duties he used the ridiculous excuse that he didn't want to put the young man under too much pressure. Come on! What if your 10 is injured and you have to bring in a debutante at 10. Of course you'll hand him the goal kicking duties and so you should if he is a regular goal kicker who kicks goals for his Super/Provincial or club teams.
Well said. I'm also reminded of Professor Smith who responded to our shite goalkicking by saying we scored tries so didn't need to kick goals.

Until we did.
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I bet this thread wouldn't have started if Barrett was a Cantab
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