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Posted: **Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:24 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm He is fecked now.

He won't have the balls to face trial but will his mum throw him under the bus?

He’d be sweating right now if it wasn’t for his rare medical condition that prevents him from regulating his body temperature

Posted: **Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:29 pm**

It must really be pissing him off that whenever the media mention him, in order to identify him to the readers/viewers, they use the picture of him with his arm round the 17 year old

Posted: **Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:32 pm**

You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:29 pm It must really be pissing him off that whenever the media mention him, in order to identify him to the readers/viewers, they use the picture of him with his arm round the 17 year old

The whole family are weird as fudge. Who the fudge in their mind supports a hereditary institution like this in this day and age. Completely bonkers and it raises the question just how low can they do before the people stop supporting them?

Posted: **Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:36 pm**

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:32 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:29 pm It must really be pissing him off that whenever the media mention him, in order to identify him to the readers/viewers, they use the picture of him with his arm round the 17 year old
The whole family are weird as fudge. Who the fudge in their mind supports a hereditary institution like this in this day and age. Completely bonkers and it raises the question just how low can they do before the people stop supporting them?

I support the Royal Family. They do a lot of good for a lot of people.

God Save the Queen.

Posted: **Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:52 pm**

You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:36 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:32 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:29 pm It must really be pissing him off that whenever the media mention him, in order to identify him to the readers/viewers, they use the picture of him with his arm round the 17 year old
The whole family are weird as fudge. Who the fudge in their mind supports a hereditary institution like this in this day and age. Completely bonkers and it raises the question just how low can they do before the people stop supporting them?
I support the Royal Family. They do a lot of good for a lot of people.

God Save the Queen.

You tried to say that Raducanu wasn’t good looking too so you’re a bit of a dope

Posted: **Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:12 pm**

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:52 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:36 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:32 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:29 pm It must really be pissing him off that whenever the media mention him, in order to identify him to the readers/viewers, they use the picture of him with his arm round the 17 year old
The whole family are weird as fudge. Who the fudge in their mind supports a hereditary institution like this in this day and age. Completely bonkers and it raises the question just how low can they do before the people stop supporting them?
I support the Royal Family. They do a lot of good for a lot of people.

God Save the Queen.
You tried to say that Raducanu wasn’t good looking too so you’re a bit of a dope

What a lame argument.

Posted: **Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:16 pm**

You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:12 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:52 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:36 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:32 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:29 pm It must really be pissing him off that whenever the media mention him, in order to identify him to the readers/viewers, they use the picture of him with his arm round the 17 year old
The whole family are weird as fudge. Who the fudge in their mind supports a hereditary institution like this in this day and age. Completely bonkers and it raises the question just how low can they do before the people stop supporting them?
I support the Royal Family. They do a lot of good for a lot of people.

God Save the Queen.
You tried to say that Raducanu wasn’t good looking too so you’re a bit of a dope
What a lame argument.

It’s called a joke kid. I’m not going to argue with someone who supports a monarchy because it would be a waste of both of our time, your position isn’t based on reason or logic, just like your position on Raducanu.

Posted: **Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:31 pm**

You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:00 am
Zakar wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:20 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:47 pm Changing the subject back to where we were a few comments ago, personally I'm sceptical about the notion that there are all these ex-Presidents etc out there who took part in some kind of rent-a-teenager scheme.

Obviously Epstein was a dodgy guy with dodgy tastes, but why would all these big powerful people all happen to be in to teenagers ? Seems a bit implausible to me. I know some rock stars were, but presumably that's because they were just surrounded by them all the time, rather than having a particular sexual interest in them (not excusing their actions in the slightest). But all these other rich and powerful people ? They had no need whatsoever to dial 161616 for handjob so why would they have done ?

Remember not too long ago we were all ready to chuck Leon Britton's ashes down the khazi because some attention seeking loon had fabricated a load of crap about him.

Anyway, it's not particularly high on my agenda personally one way or the other, I just have a bit of sympathy for someone going through such hell just from a humanitarian point of view, and whilst it doesn't excuse what Maxwell etc may have done, I'd also be asking questions about these kids' parents etc just as much as I would the ones who picked them off the street. No doubt this is something that many on here go absolutely ape shit about though, and I don't necessarily expect anyone else to hold the same view, so my involvement in the discussion might go no further, which I'm sure noone will be too concerned about in the slightest !!!
His personal proclivities aside, he ran a honeypot party island.

Ever been to a carefully curated party? Rehab at Hard Rock was a great example, as was Nikki Beach in Miami. They always have lots of young college age women - sometimes up to a 2:1 ratio. Lots of booze etc.

He basically did the same thing. I'm willing to bet the majority of women were 18-20. They may have been initially hired as 'hostesses' etc etc. Happens all over the world sadly.

But he clearly had under-age (depending on your jurisdiction) girls there too, and if a VIP took the bait he had cameras in rooms for blackmail.

Does the fact that Trump/Clinton visited mean they are pedos? No. But they both clearly like young women, that's public record.
Interesting.

This blackmail stuff I just don't get though. The man had more money than he could ever need. Why blackmail his friends and associates ?

Power is more valuable than money.

Posted: **Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:18 pm**

Has Andrew really got any legal problems.

Posted: **Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:37 pm**

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:16 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:12 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:52 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:36 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:32 pm

The whole family are weird as fudge. Who the fudge in their mind supports a hereditary institution like this in this day and age. Completely bonkers and it raises the question just how low can they do before the people stop supporting them?
I support the Royal Family. They do a lot of good for a lot of people.

God Save the Queen.
You tried to say that Raducanu wasn’t good looking too so you’re a bit of a dope
What a lame argument.
It’s called a joke kid. I’m not going to argue with someone who supports a monarchy because it would be a waste of both of our time, your position isn’t based on reason or logic, just like your position on Raducanu.

Agree it'd be a waste of our time. Just different opinions that's all.

Noone over about 22 should be thinking about sexy time with radders imo. So if you're in that club then it's 3 hale Maryies for you lad.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 am**

best randy doesn't drive around paris.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:07 am**

You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:36 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:32 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:29 pm It must really be pissing him off that whenever the media mention him, in order to identify him to the readers/viewers, they use the picture of him with his arm round the 17 year old
The whole family are weird as fudge. Who the fudge in their mind supports a hereditary institution like this in this day and age. Completely bonkers and it raises the question just how low can they do before the people stop supporting them?
I support the Royal Family. They do a lot of good for a lot of people.

God Save the Queen.

Hotel California, DD, Kertim?

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:11 am**

Frodder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:01 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm He is fecked now.

He won't have the balls to face trial but will his mum throw him under the bus?
He'll be put out to pasture and never seen again (hopefully)

A bit of a lack of justice there. Even if he didn't do it, not cooperating with police and legal authorities isn't a good look.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:13 am**

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:32 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:29 pm It must really be pissing him off that whenever the media mention him, in order to identify him to the readers/viewers, they use the picture of him with his arm round the 17 year old
The whole family are weird as fudge. Who the fudge in their mind supports a hereditary institution like this in this day and age. Completely bonkers and it raises the question just how low can they do before the people stop supporting them?

Most of the UK

In fact most European counties with a monarchy seem to support their monarchies and many of the ones that don't have them seem to idolize them. I think everyone knows it's ridiculous, but a fun ridiculous for those that support them I suppose. Like how rugby fans here agree about a game with an oval ball were you can only throw it backwards while trying to move it forwards.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:14 am**

You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:00 am This blackmail stuff I just don't get though. The man had more money than he could ever need. Why blackmail his friends and associates ? The idea about having something over them to keep things secret doesn't seem to make sense either. Just don't ask them in the first place, then there's nothing for them to keep quiet about. I don't get it. Saying that, the Feds finding cameras and shit in his house shows there's something in it.

Blackmail is not always or necessarily about money. Why do you think J. Edgar Hoover was able to outlast fuck-knows how many presidents?

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:57 am**

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:24 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm He is fecked now.

He won't have the balls to face trial but will his mum throw him under the bus?
He’d be sweating right now if it wasn’t for his rare medical condition that prevents him from regulating his body temperature

He was eating a pizza in Woking. Case dismissed

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:06 am**

Frodder wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:57 am
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:24 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm He is fecked now.

He won't have the balls to face trial but will his mum throw him under the bus?
He’d be sweating right now if it wasn’t for his rare medical condition that prevents him from regulating his body temperature
He was eating a pizza in Woking. Case dismissed

He remembers that day in question quite clearly, because it was the day that he had sex with that girl Jeffrey brought over, and he is 100% that that very same day, he went to Pizza Express in Woking with his family. So he CAN'T have had sex with that girl as he was at Pizza Express all day. And he can't possibly have had sex with her on any other day, because, well, it was that day that he had sex with her. So he can't have had sex with her at all. Also as a man you remember something like that, and he's wracked his brain and he just can't remember it.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:10 am**

You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:37 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:16 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:12 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:52 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:36 pm

I support the Royal Family. They do a lot of good for a lot of people.

God Save the Queen.
You tried to say that Raducanu wasn’t good looking too so you’re a bit of a dope
What a lame argument.
It’s called a joke kid. I’m not going to argue with someone who supports a monarchy because it would be a waste of both of our time, your position isn’t based on reason or logic, just like your position on Raducanu.
Agree it'd be a waste of our time. Just different opinions that's all.

Noone over about 22 should be thinking about sexy time with radders imo. So if you're in that club then it's 3 hale Maryies for you lad.

But lusting after 19-year-olds is A-ok

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:12 am**

P in VG wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:10 am
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:37 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:16 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:12 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:52 pm
You tried to say that Raducanu wasn’t good looking too so you’re a bit of a dope
What a lame argument.
It’s called a joke kid. I’m not going to argue with someone who supports a monarchy because it would be a waste of both of our time, your position isn’t based on reason or logic, just like your position on Raducanu.
Agree it'd be a waste of our time. Just different opinions that's all.

Noone over about 22 should be thinking about sexy time with radders imo. So if you're in that club then it's 3 hale Maryies for you lad.
But lusting after 19-year-olds is A-ok

I'm not sure that I exactly lust after her as such, but she's significantly more mature than Raducanu.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:14 am**

You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:12 am
P in VG wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:10 am
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:37 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:16 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:12 pm

What a lame argument.
It’s called a joke kid. I’m not going to argue with someone who supports a monarchy because it would be a waste of both of our time, your position isn’t based on reason or logic, just like your position on Raducanu.
Agree it'd be a waste of our time. Just different opinions that's all.

Noone over about 22 should be thinking about sexy time with radders imo. So if you're in that club then it's 3 hale Maryies for you lad.
But lusting after 19-year-olds is A-ok
I'm not sure that I exactly lust after her as such, but she's significantly more mature than Raducanu.

Yes - a whole 2 months older...

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:17 am**

P in VG wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:14 am
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:12 am
P in VG wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:10 am
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:37 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:16 pm

It’s called a joke kid. I’m not going to argue with someone who supports a monarchy because it would be a waste of both of our time, your position isn’t based on reason or logic, just like your position on Raducanu.
Agree it'd be a waste of our time. Just different opinions that's all.

Noone over about 22 should be thinking about sexy time with radders imo. So if you're in that club then it's 3 hale Maryies for you lad.
But lusting after 19-year-olds is A-ok
I'm not sure that I exactly lust after her as such, but she's significantly more mature than Raducanu.
Yes - a whole 2 months older...

I've highlighted the big words for you in case it helps.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:18 am**

You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:17 am
P in VG wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:14 am
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:12 am
P in VG wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:10 am
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:37 pm

Agree it'd be a waste of our time. Just different opinions that's all.

Noone over about 22 should be thinking about sexy time with radders imo. So if you're in that club then it's 3 hale Maryies for you lad.
But lusting after 19-year-olds is A-ok
I'm not sure that I exactly lust after her as such, but she's significantly more mature than Raducanu.
Yes - a whole 2 months older...
I've highlighted the big words for you in case it helps.

Maybe Randy Andy can draft you in as his defence lawyer

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:56 am**

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:11 am
Frodder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:01 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm He is fecked now.

He won't have the balls to face trial but will his mum throw him under the bus?
He'll be put out to pasture and never seen again (hopefully)
A bit of a lack of justice there. Even if he didn't do it, not cooperating with police and legal authorities isn't a good look.

Tbf the USA is absolutely shameful in allowing their citizens to stand trial in actual criminal proceedings around the world never mind civil suits.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:16 am**

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:13 am
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:32 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:29 pm It must really be pissing him off that whenever the media mention him, in order to identify him to the readers/viewers, they use the picture of him with his arm round the 17 year old
The whole family are weird as fudge. Who the fudge in their mind supports a hereditary institution like this in this day and age. Completely bonkers and it raises the question just how low can they do before the people stop supporting them?
Most of the UK

In fact most European counties with a monarchy seem to support their monarchies and many of the ones that don't have them seem to idolize them. I think everyone knows it's ridiculous, but a fun ridiculous for those that support them I suppose. Like how rugby fans here agree about a game with an oval ball were you can only throw it backwards while trying to move it forwards.

Tolerate with Ambivalence more like

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:25 am**

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:56 am
eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:11 am
Frodder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:01 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm He is fecked now.

He won't have the balls to face trial but will his mum throw him under the bus?
He'll be put out to pasture and never seen again (hopefully)
A bit of a lack of justice there. Even if he didn't do it, not cooperating with police and legal authorities isn't a good look.
Tbf the USA is absolutely shameful in allowing their citizens to stand trial in actual criminal proceedings around the world never mind civil suits.

It's like OJ who proved if you're guilty of murder you get a very heavy fine

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:20 pm**

Frodder wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:57 am
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:24 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm He is fecked now.

He won't have the balls to face trial but will his mum throw him under the bus?
He’d be sweating right now if it wasn’t for his rare medical condition that prevents him from regulating his body temperature
He was eating a pizza in Woking. Case dismissed

Whatever about the absurdity of the entire thing, did nobody stop to say who the fudge actually eats in Pizza Express

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:22 pm**

You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:06 am
Frodder wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:57 am
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:24 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm He is fecked now.

He won't have the balls to face trial but will his mum throw him under the bus?
He’d be sweating right now if it wasn’t for his rare medical condition that prevents him from regulating his body temperature
He was eating a pizza in Woking. Case dismissed
He remembers that day in question quite clearly, because it was the day that he had sex with that girl Jeffrey brought over, and he is 100% that that very same day, he went to Pizza Express in Woking with his family. So he CAN'T have had sex with that girl as he was at Pizza Express all day. And he can't possibly have had sex with her on any other day, because, well, it was that day that he had sex with her. So he can't have had sex with her at all. Also as a man you remember something like that, and he's wracked his brain and he just can't remember it.

Though it's not just one day is it.... it happened three times in three different locations.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:25 pm**

Grandpa wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:22 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:06 am
Frodder wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:57 am
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:24 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm He is fecked now.

He won't have the balls to face trial but will his mum throw him under the bus?
He’d be sweating right now if it wasn’t for his rare medical condition that prevents him from regulating his body temperature
He was eating a pizza in Woking. Case dismissed
He remembers that day in question quite clearly, because it was the day that he had sex with that girl Jeffrey brought over, and he is 100% that that very same day, he went to Pizza Express in Woking with his family. So he CAN'T have had sex with that girl as he was at Pizza Express all day. And he can't possibly have had sex with her on any other day, because, well, it was that day that he had sex with her. So he can't have had sex with her at all. Also as a man you remember something like that, and he's wracked his brain and he just can't remember it.
Though it's not just one day is it.... it happened three times in three different locations.

That makes it even less likely to be true. If he's wracked his brains and drawn a blank, then you could believe that he might have forgotten one occasion. But 3 occasions ? It seems unlikely.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:27 pm**

You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:25 pm
Grandpa wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:22 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:06 am
Frodder wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:57 am
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:24 pm

He’d be sweating right now if it wasn’t for his rare medical condition that prevents him from regulating his body temperature
He was eating a pizza in Woking. Case dismissed
He remembers that day in question quite clearly, because it was the day that he had sex with that girl Jeffrey brought over, and he is 100% that that very same day, he went to Pizza Express in Woking with his family. So he CAN'T have had sex with that girl as he was at Pizza Express all day. And he can't possibly have had sex with her on any other day, because, well, it was that day that he had sex with her. So he can't have had sex with her at all. Also as a man you remember something like that, and he's wracked his brain and he just can't remember it.
Though it's not just one day is it.... it happened three times in three different locations.
That makes it even less likely to be true. If he's wracked his brains and drawn a blank, then you could believe that he might have forgotten one occasion. But 3 occasions ? It seems unlikely.

And that was just with her... I am sure he can't remember the others either...

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:28 pm**

Grandpa wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:27 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:25 pm
Grandpa wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:22 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:06 am
Frodder wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:57 am

He was eating a pizza in Woking. Case dismissed
He remembers that day in question quite clearly, because it was the day that he had sex with that girl Jeffrey brought over, and he is 100% that that very same day, he went to Pizza Express in Woking with his family. So he CAN'T have had sex with that girl as he was at Pizza Express all day. And he can't possibly have had sex with her on any other day, because, well, it was that day that he had sex with her. So he can't have had sex with her at all. Also as a man you remember something like that, and he's wracked his brain and he just can't remember it.
Though it's not just one day is it.... it happened three times in three different locations.
That makes it even less likely to be true. If he's wracked his brains and drawn a blank, then you could believe that he might have forgotten one occasion. But 3 occasions ? It seems unlikely.
And that was just with her... I am sure he can't remember the others either...

Then the chances of them having happened being true are so low as to make it a near impossibility.

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:45 am**

This creepy case just got weirder and more complex

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... gniter-rhr

Virginia Giuffre: Prince Andrew's accuser faces sexual assault allegation
Rina Oh, 43, claims Ms Giuffre touched her without her consent in the presence of convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein

By
Martin Evans,
CRIME CORRESPONDENT
9 June 2022 • 1:08pm
Virginia Giuffre
Virginia Giuffre accepted a reported £12 million out of court settlement from Prince Andrew in February CREDIT: REUTERS/Shannon Stapleton/File Photo
Virginia Giuffre, the woman who accused Prince Andrew of sexual abuse, is herself facing allegations that she assaulted another girl.

Rina Oh, 43, claims Ms Giuffre touched her without her consent in the presence of convicted paedophile, Jeffrey Epstein at his Manhattan townhouse in 2001.

In an interview with the New York Post, Ms Oh said: "I went into the massage room and [Giuffre] touched me without my consent; she sexually abused me."

She added: "I was standing there, frozen like a deer. I did not move. I was in shock. I felt mortified and was uncomfortable."

Legal documents, lodged in New York as part of the case, allege that on another occasion Ms Giuffre "and other females sexually assaulted [Oh] while Epstein watched".

It goes on to allege that Ms Giuffre was used by Epstein to "groom and bring many more girls to Epstein, including minors as an adult".

Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell
Ms Oh claims Ms Giuffre touched her without her consent in the presence of convicted paedophile, Jeffrey Epstein CREDIT: Patrick McMullan
Ms Giuffre, who recently accepted a multi-million pound settlement from Prince Andrew, has denied the allegations.

Kat Thomas, Ms Giuffre’s attorney told The New York Post: "The allegations of sexual assault against Ms Giuffre are not true."

Ms Oh has described how she was introduced to Epstein in 2000, when she was in her early 20s.

Despite previously describing him as a "rich, older boyfriend", she now insists she was one of his numerous sexual victims.

Ms Oh launched a civil claim last year after Ms Giuffre tweeted that she had "procured and partook in the abuse of minors".

Last month, Ms Giuffre launched a counter claim in which she alleged she had been "the victim of the sadomasochist sexual play and physical abuse perpetrated against her by Ms Oh".

She claimed this included "cutting, slashing and other physical injuries", which had left her with "permanent emotional and physical scars".

Ms Oh's allegations that she was abused by Ms Giuffre are the latest salvo in the increasingly messy legal battle between the pair.

In February, Ms Giuffre, who had launched a civil claim against Prince Andrew for alleged sexual abuse, accepted a reported £12 million out of court settlement.

She had claimed she was trafficked to London by Epstein when she was aged 17 and was forced to have sex with the Duke of York.

Prince Andrew has always vehemently denied the allegations, insisting he had no recollection of meeting Ms Giuffre, despite being photographed with her in Ghislaine Maxwell's London mews house.

In agreeing the settlement he did not accept any liability, but said he now accepted that Ms Giuffre had been a victim of abuse.

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:07 am**

I'm not surprised. Virginia Giuffre didn't come across as an innocent victim. She knew what she was doing.

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:11 am**

TranceNRG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:07 am I'm not surprised. Virginia Giuffre didn't come across as an innocent victim. She knew what she was doing.

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:13 am**

TranceNRG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:07 am I'm not surprised. Virginia Giuffre didn't come across as an innocent victim. She knew what she was doing.

The whole situation was warped. She could well be both victim and perpetrator in different instances.

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:20 am**

She won't be the last.

That £ 12m glitters like a prize to be won, and acts as a siren call to the hordes of no foal, no fee litigation lawyers in the US.

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:16 am**

camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:20 am She won't be the last.

That £ 12m glitters like a prize to be won, and acts as a siren call to the hordes of no foal, no fee litigation lawyers in the US.

He’ll have to pony up.

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:33 am**

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:16 am
camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:20 am She won't be the last.

That £ 12m glitters like a prize to be won, and acts as a siren call to the hordes of no foal, no fee litigation lawyers in the US.
He’ll have to pony up.

Who will ?

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:38 am**

£12m

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:41 am**

The Sun God wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:33 am
DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:16 am
camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:20 am She won't be the last.

That £ 12m glitters like a prize to be won, and acts as a siren call to the hordes of no foal, no fee litigation lawyers in the US.
He’ll have to pony up.
Who will ?

The foal.

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:07 pm**

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:41 am
The Sun God wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:33 am
DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:16 am

He’ll have to pony up.
Who will ?
The foal.

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