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ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:33 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:45 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:29 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:25 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:22 pm

Everybody as in just the west?

No, everybody. Japan, Korea, India in particular. Southern pacific nations will be fodder.
Yeah, pretty much. All states there see the Chinese as the state most likely to go to war with them. Vietnam's defence strategy for example is heavily China-focused.
Wut?

do you live in some sort of parallel universive?

Did you watch, see, read or review any of the fairly emphatic statements out of Hanoi of late.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/unlikely- ... artnership

"The current depth and breadth of the U.S.-Vietnam partnership was not a foregone conclusion. It is the result of decades of hard work and perseverance from both sides. Positive trends in the relationship today can be traced to collaborative efforts to resolve legacies of war, as well as shared threat perceptions regarding China."
It's been one side effect of China's aggressive posture in the South China Sea is it has made all countries look to the U.S. as a potential partner or aid to counter.

I do believe the next semi-major conflict in the world on the horizon is something off the coast of east Asia that will involve China. My gut says not Taiwan just because that might be too brazen to force a reaction. The best conflict is one where you have an underlying pretense (sovereignty in the South China Sea), against a country you can win relatively quickly, and one you don't believe anyone is coming to help your adversary (Duterte-led Philippines? although I saw Manny Pacquiao might run for president).
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:56 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:33 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:45 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:29 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:25 pm


No, everybody. Japan, Korea, India in particular. Southern pacific nations will be fodder.
Yeah, pretty much. All states there see the Chinese as the state most likely to go to war with them. Vietnam's defence strategy for example is heavily China-focused.
Wut?

do you live in some sort of parallel universive?

Did you watch, see, read or review any of the fairly emphatic statements out of Hanoi of late.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/unlikely- ... artnership

"The current depth and breadth of the U.S.-Vietnam partnership was not a foregone conclusion. It is the result of decades of hard work and perseverance from both sides. Positive trends in the relationship today can be traced to collaborative efforts to resolve legacies of war, as well as shared threat perceptions regarding China."
It's been one side effect of China's aggressive posture in the South China Sea is it has made all countries look to the U.S. as a potential partner or aid to counter.

I do believe the next semi-major conflict in the world on the horizon is something off the coast of east Asia that will involve China. My gut says not Taiwan just because that might be too brazen to force a reaction. The best conflict is one where you have an underlying pretense (sovereignty in the South China Sea), against a country you can win relatively quickly, and one you don't believe anyone is coming to help your adversary (Duterte-led Philippines? although I saw Manny Pacquiao might run for president).
They could take a leaf out Russia's playbook, and invent trouble where you have a large Chinese population.
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ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:33 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:45 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:29 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:25 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:22 pm

Everybody as in just the west?

No, everybody. Japan, Korea, India in particular. Southern pacific nations will be fodder.
Yeah, pretty much. All states there see the Chinese as the state most likely to go to war with them. Vietnam's defence strategy for example is heavily China-focused.
Wut?

do you live in some sort of parallel universive?

Did you watch, see, read or review any of the fairly emphatic statements out of Hanoi of late.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/unlikely- ... artnership

"The current depth and breadth of the U.S.-Vietnam partnership was not a foregone conclusion. It is the result of decades of hard work and perseverance from both sides. Positive trends in the relationship today can be traced to collaborative efforts to resolve legacies of war, as well as shared threat perceptions regarding China."
Wish I had a rofl smile. Don't engage me on this topic again. You have a playground approach.

You seem to still have zero idea what was said and what has unfolded on this in recent times.
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ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:56 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:33 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:45 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:29 pm

Yeah, pretty much. All states there see the Chinese as the state most likely to go to war with them. Vietnam's defence strategy for example is heavily China-focused.
Wut?

do you live in some sort of parallel universive?

Did you watch, see, read or review any of the fairly emphatic statements out of Hanoi of late.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/unlikely- ... artnership

"The current depth and breadth of the U.S.-Vietnam partnership was not a foregone conclusion. It is the result of decades of hard work and perseverance from both sides. Positive trends in the relationship today can be traced to collaborative efforts to resolve legacies of war, as well as shared threat perceptions regarding China."
It's been one side effect of China's aggressive posture in the South China Sea is it has made all countries look to the U.S. as a potential partner or aid to counter.

I do believe the next semi-major conflict in the world on the horizon is something off the coast of east Asia that will involve China. My gut says not Taiwan just because that might be too brazen to force a reaction. The best conflict is one where you have an underlying pretense (sovereignty in the South China Sea), against a country you can win relatively quickly, and one you don't believe anyone is coming to help your adversary (Duterte-led Philippines? although I saw Manny Pacquiao might run for president).
They could take a leaf out Russia's playbook, and invent trouble where you have a large Chinese population.
You guys still talking about how wrong you are? On all of this. Do some actually proper reading on this and not the first shit you google.

Read actually the relationship over the last few years, the trade positions, the Kamala Harris visit. The Vietnamese reaction and action to her speech there, in mid-flight...the media reaction to her idea that there was a McCain memorial, the total lack of awareness, the following on the statement from Vietnam to the Chinese ambassador after Kamala Harris speech, the meeting them between the Chinese FM and his Vietnamese counterpart. The statement from that meeting, days after Harris left, then the doubling down by Vietnam on it's core values, its shared history and goals with China and some reference to the common bond between their governments and types of governments.

Do that, then read the shite you've bullshitted on about in this thread after googling away in the first Google English article you could find and hanging all your responses hopes and dreams on a snapshot of whatever article it was.

Good luck.

I will not be taking anything you say as remotely serious on this topic again.
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Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:36 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:33 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:45 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:29 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:25 pm


No, everybody. Japan, Korea, India in particular. Southern pacific nations will be fodder.
Yeah, pretty much. All states there see the Chinese as the state most likely to go to war with them. Vietnam's defence strategy for example is heavily China-focused.
Wut?

do you live in some sort of parallel universive?

Did you watch, see, read or review any of the fairly emphatic statements out of Hanoi of late.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/unlikely- ... artnership

"The current depth and breadth of the U.S.-Vietnam partnership was not a foregone conclusion. It is the result of decades of hard work and perseverance from both sides. Positive trends in the relationship today can be traced to collaborative efforts to resolve legacies of war, as well as shared threat perceptions regarding China."
Wish I had a rofl smile. Don't engage me on this topic again. You have a playground approach.

You seem to still have zero idea what was said and what has unfolded on this in recent times.
Don't like considered reports from actual experts Doh Xi? I'm not surprised you spoofer.
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ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:43 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:36 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:33 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:45 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:29 pm

Yeah, pretty much. All states there see the Chinese as the state most likely to go to war with them. Vietnam's defence strategy for example is heavily China-focused.
Wut?

do you live in some sort of parallel universive?

Did you watch, see, read or review any of the fairly emphatic statements out of Hanoi of late.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/unlikely- ... artnership

"The current depth and breadth of the U.S.-Vietnam partnership was not a foregone conclusion. It is the result of decades of hard work and perseverance from both sides. Positive trends in the relationship today can be traced to collaborative efforts to resolve legacies of war, as well as shared threat perceptions regarding China."
Wish I had a rofl smile. Don't engage me on this topic again. You have a playground approach.

You seem to still have zero idea what was said and what has unfolded on this in recent times.
Don't like considered reports from actual experts Doh Xi? I'm not surprised you spoofer.
"experts" you like vs the actual statements and actions of the parties in question. Very good. Run along.
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Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:45 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:43 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:36 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:33 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:45 pm

Wut?

do you live in some sort of parallel universive?

Did you watch, see, read or review any of the fairly emphatic statements out of Hanoi of late.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/unlikely- ... artnership

"The current depth and breadth of the U.S.-Vietnam partnership was not a foregone conclusion. It is the result of decades of hard work and perseverance from both sides. Positive trends in the relationship today can be traced to collaborative efforts to resolve legacies of war, as well as shared threat perceptions regarding China."
Wish I had a rofl smile. Don't engage me on this topic again. You have a playground approach.

You seem to still have zero idea what was said and what has unfolded on this in recent times.
Don't like considered reports from actual experts Doh Xi? I'm not surprised you spoofer.
"experts" you like vs the actual statements and actions of the parties in question. Very good. Run along.
Never mind about recent headlines, can you give one objective source which says China and Vietnam are allies. Its the opposite, you bellend.
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ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:02 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:45 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:43 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:36 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:33 pm

https://www.csis.org/analysis/unlikely- ... artnership

"The current depth and breadth of the U.S.-Vietnam partnership was not a foregone conclusion. It is the result of decades of hard work and perseverance from both sides. Positive trends in the relationship today can be traced to collaborative efforts to resolve legacies of war, as well as shared threat perceptions regarding China."
Wish I had a rofl smile. Don't engage me on this topic again. You have a playground approach.

You seem to still have zero idea what was said and what has unfolded on this in recent times.
Don't like considered reports from actual experts Doh Xi? I'm not surprised you spoofer.
"experts" you like vs the actual statements and actions of the parties in question. Very good. Run along.
Never mind about recent headlines, can you give one objective source which says China and Vietnam are allies. Its the opposite, you bellend.
They are neighbours, trade partners, single party states, rivals who happen to be ambitious to develop and do it independently without interference and lectures.

You'll find plenty of you stop looking to the top Google finds in English o

They have been clear on all that.
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Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:20 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:02 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:45 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:43 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:36 pm

Wish I had a rofl smile. Don't engage me on this topic again. You have a playground approach.

You seem to still have zero idea what was said and what has unfolded on this in recent times.
Don't like considered reports from actual experts Doh Xi? I'm not surprised you spoofer.
"experts" you like vs the actual statements and actions of the parties in question. Very good. Run along.
Never mind about recent headlines, can you give one objective source which says China and Vietnam are allies. Its the opposite, you bellend.
They are neighbours, trade partners, single party states, rivals who happen to be ambitious to develop and do it independently without interference and lectures.

You'll find plenty of you stop looking to the top Google finds in English o

They have been clear on all that.
They're fighting like cats in a sack over the SCS, so Hanoi has been strengthening relations with Japan, India, Australia and the US as a counterbalance to Chinese territorial agression in the area. There's a whole series of incidents which show this.
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ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:38 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:20 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:02 pm
Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:45 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:43 pm

Don't like considered reports from actual experts Doh Xi? I'm not surprised you spoofer.
"experts" you like vs the actual statements and actions of the parties in question. Very good. Run along.
Never mind about recent headlines, can you give one objective source which says China and Vietnam are allies. Its the opposite, you bellend.
They are neighbours, trade partners, single party states, rivals who happen to be ambitious to develop and do it independently without interference and lectures.

You'll find plenty of you stop looking to the top Google finds in English o

They have been clear on all that.
They're fighting like cats in a sack over the SCS, so Hanoi has been strengthening relations with Japan, India, Australia and the US as a counterbalance to Chinese territorial agression in the area. There's a whole series of incidents which show this.
Make sure to put all your worldly assets on your geopolitical analysis. Back yourself. Double down, all in
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Insiders' takes on all this:

https://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forum ... ost1576850

Guess the French were complaining this was in planning for 15 months, which means like with the Afghan withdrawal, this is something setup/started by the Trump administration that Biden chose to follow through with after the transfer of power (this being more a positive than Afghanistan was).
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(Bit of a thread jack) when I was around Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam (15 years ago) I remember that in Laos and Vietnam the younger that speak English would refers to US as the “muppets” or “puppets” sometimes (probably due to years of indoctrination), whereas I must say the older generation (the ones I could talk to - especially in Laos where people were much more curious about the west) was more respectful.
Then it must not be forgotten we are still talking about Marxist-Leninist countries (in Laos once I was thrown out of a restaurant because it was mandatory closing public places before 11 - just to speak)
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I must say my feeling is that there is some truth about what Dozy reports about Vietnam (basing that on my own experience. Then of course time passes and people can change)

Edit: I am convinced an agreement of some sort between Vietnam and China is much more likely to happen than some sort of alliance with US
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Yet it emerged on Wednesday that the Aukus deal, which helps Australia gain nuclear-powered submarines, could become much wider than it is now.

It is understood the UK and US are discussing whether to reach new deals within the three-way pact on intelligence, deterrence of threats, free trade and human rights.
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AlanBengio wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:44 am I must say my feeling is that there is some truth about what Dozy reports about Vietnam (basing that on my own experience. Then of course time passes and people can change)

Edit: I am convinced an agreement of some sort between Vietnam and China is much more likely to happen than some sort of alliance with US
I'm not saying we're best friends with them or we're forming an alliance, I'm saying Vietnam's defensive posture looking at their navy is clearly China-focused as far as who the Red in the war game is.
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Anyone see Boris's speech to UN assembly this morning?

Someone should tell him it's the UN assembly not the Oxford Union.
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:46 pm Anyone see Boris's speech to UN assembly this morning?

Someone should tell him it's the UN assembly not the Oxford Union.
Brilliant. If there's one thing Boris loves, it's a stage.
He compared humanity to an impetuous 16-year-old “just old enough to get ourselves into serious trouble”.

“We have come to that fateful age when we know roughly how to drive and we know how to unlock the drinks cabinet and to engage in all sorts of activity that is not only potentially embarrassing but also terminal,” he said.

“We believe that someone else will clear up the mess we make, because that is what someone else has always done,” he said. “We trash our habitats again and again with the inductive reasoning that we have got away with it so far, and therefore we will get away with it again.

“My friends, the adolescence of humanity is coming to an end,” Johnson, said, adding: “We must come together in a collective coming of age.”
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:46 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:46 pm Anyone see Boris's speech to UN assembly this morning?

Someone should tell him it's the UN assembly not the Oxford Union.
Brilliant. If there's one thing Boris loves, it's a stage.
He compared humanity to an impetuous 16-year-old “just old enough to get ourselves into serious trouble”.

“We have come to that fateful age when we know roughly how to drive and we know how to unlock the drinks cabinet and to engage in all sorts of activity that is not only potentially embarrassing but also terminal,” he said.

“We believe that someone else will clear up the mess we make, because that is what someone else has always done,” he said. “We trash our habitats again and again with the inductive reasoning that we have got away with it so far, and therefore we will get away with it again.

“My friends, the adolescence of humanity is coming to an end,” Johnson, said, adding: “We must come together in a collective coming of age.”
It was to be fair an excellent speech. He’s also got loads of media coverage so, good news.
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Speech means nothing while using the other side of your face for military posturing
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terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:11 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:46 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:46 pm Anyone see Boris's speech to UN assembly this morning?

Someone should tell him it's the UN assembly not the Oxford Union.
Brilliant. If there's one thing Boris loves, it's a stage.
He compared humanity to an impetuous 16-year-old “just old enough to get ourselves into serious trouble”.

“We have come to that fateful age when we know roughly how to drive and we know how to unlock the drinks cabinet and to engage in all sorts of activity that is not only potentially embarrassing but also terminal,” he said.

“We believe that someone else will clear up the mess we make, because that is what someone else has always done,” he said. “We trash our habitats again and again with the inductive reasoning that we have got away with it so far, and therefore we will get away with it again.

“My friends, the adolescence of humanity is coming to an end,” Johnson, said, adding: “We must come together in a collective coming of age.”
It was to be fair an excellent speech. He’s also got loads of media coverage so, good news.
Blond muppet quotes green muppet at UN whilst onlookers look thoroughly disinterested...

Terry's reaction "Excellent speech"

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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He's a total buffoon, a national embarrassment and his cult following can see nothing wrong with his constant bluster.
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:56 pm He's a total buffoon, a national embarrassment and his cult following can see nothing wrong with his constant bluster.
I'd say the cult group who will relentlessly say everything he says or does is a negative are equally as bad.

In today's case I wouldn't call his appeal to take more action on climate change bluster. Especially as he's actually developing green policies and trying to put money where his mouth is.
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eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:13 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:56 pm He's a total buffoon, a national embarrassment and his cult following can see nothing wrong with his constant bluster.
I'd say the cult group who will relentlessly say everything he says or does is a negative are equally as bad.

In today's case I wouldn't call his appeal to take more action on climate change bluster. Especially as he's actually developing green policies and trying to put money where his mouth is.
Oh you believe him. Righto
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:22 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:13 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:56 pm He's a total buffoon, a national embarrassment and his cult following can see nothing wrong with his constant bluster.
I'd say the cult group who will relentlessly say everything he says or does is a negative are equally as bad.

In today's case I wouldn't call his appeal to take more action on climate change bluster. Especially as he's actually developing green policies and trying to put money where his mouth is.
Oh you believe him. Righto
Why not? He's outlined Environmental policies and he's been enacting them and has already set aside billions to implement them and set deadlines for the UK to hit targets. Now he's using the summit to push for 100 billion to be shared among rich countries, including the UK to support poor countries fight climate change. It can be debated if he's got the right policies or the most effective ones, but he's certainly pushing it in real terms. You know he is taking climate action because Bimboman has been bitching about them over the past year.

When a politician is literally doing as they say, which is rare, you'd have to be really in some demented partisan rabbit hole to believe they aren't actually happening.
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eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:40 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:22 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:13 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:56 pm He's a total buffoon, a national embarrassment and his cult following can see nothing wrong with his constant bluster.
I'd say the cult group who will relentlessly say everything he says or does is a negative are equally as bad.

In today's case I wouldn't call his appeal to take more action on climate change bluster. Especially as he's actually developing green policies and trying to put money where his mouth is.
Oh you believe him. Righto
Why not? He's outlined Environmental policies and he's been enacting them and has already set aside billions to implement them and set deadlines for the UK to hit targets. Now he's using the summit to push for 100 billion to be shared among rich countries, including the UK to support poor countries fight climate change. It can be debated if he's got the right policies or the most effective ones, but he's certainly pushing it in real terms. You know he is taking climate action because Bimboman has been bitching about them over the past year.

When a politician is literally doing as they say, which is rare, you'd have to be really in some demented partisan rabbit hole to believe they aren't actually happening.
The man is a pathological liar. I believe not a word he says
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:41 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:40 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:22 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:13 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:56 pm He's a total buffoon, a national embarrassment and his cult following can see nothing wrong with his constant bluster.
I'd say the cult group who will relentlessly say everything he says or does is a negative are equally as bad.

In today's case I wouldn't call his appeal to take more action on climate change bluster. Especially as he's actually developing green policies and trying to put money where his mouth is.
Oh you believe him. Righto
Why not? He's outlined Environmental policies and he's been enacting them and has already set aside billions to implement them and set deadlines for the UK to hit targets. Now he's using the summit to push for 100 billion to be shared among rich countries, including the UK to support poor countries fight climate change. It can be debated if he's got the right policies or the most effective ones, but he's certainly pushing it in real terms. You know he is taking climate action because Bimboman has been bitching about them over the past year.

When a politician is literally doing as they say, which is rare, you'd have to be really in some demented partisan rabbit hole to believe they aren't actually happening.
The man is a pathological liar. I believe not a word he says
All politicians are. Some more brazen than others. I've pointed out many times that it's quite likely his "levelling up" mantra is not going to be backed up with much actual action. But as I said he's enacting policy and even has the internal Tory grumblings comes out about how much he is pushing a green agenda to back it all up.

On this issue his lying is irrelevant, he's actually taking action on it, putting money into it and is pushing others to do so.
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terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:01 am Yet it emerged on Wednesday that the Aukus deal, which helps Australia gain nuclear-powered submarines, could become much wider than it is now.

It is understood the UK and US are discussing whether to reach new deals within the three-way pact on intelligence, deterrence of threats, free trade and human rights.
Interesting. What is Global Britain going to do about the colony they handed over to China some 25 years ago?
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TheFrog wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:32 am
terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:01 am Yet it emerged on Wednesday that the Aukus deal, which helps Australia gain nuclear-powered submarines, could become much wider than it is now.

It is understood the UK and US are discussing whether to reach new deals within the three-way pact on intelligence, deterrence of threats, free trade and human rights.
Interesting. What is Global Britain going to do about the colony they handed over to China some 25 years ago?
Nothing as usual because it is not in UK best interest. they still owe a declaration of war to USRR after all, after they invaded Poland in 1939 (as it was well established by treaty).
But is not just UK that is talking s.hi.t as usual pursuing their best interests only - it is everyone (Italy China Germany etc).
We should just scrap these declarations when they are made and that is it
Remember that their Boris was a pro EU guy before sniffing he could manage a better career if he turned Brexit guy
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TheFrog wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:32 am
terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:01 am Yet it emerged on Wednesday that the Aukus deal, which helps Australia gain nuclear-powered submarines, could become much wider than it is now.

It is understood the UK and US are discussing whether to reach new deals within the three-way pact on intelligence, deterrence of threats, free trade and human rights.
Interesting. What is Global Britain going to do about the colony they handed over to China some 25 years ago?
:lol:

Leased…it was never the UKs. well any bit that made the place remotely viable was.

The little HK island itself is unviable without China. It would be a meaningless, unserviceable, undefendable piece of rock with zero economy and 50000 people per sq km who will be desperate to leave.

Anyone who claims other wise or thinks there is any serious other proposal for HK island then either hasn’t thought it through or is again ( PR theme) actually too stupid on these topics to engage with


Anyways it was a disgraceful apartheid regime before, nothing something to be celebrated unless you are one of them types
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AlanBengio wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:48 am
TheFrog wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:32 am
terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:01 am Yet it emerged on Wednesday that the Aukus deal, which helps Australia gain nuclear-powered submarines, could become much wider than it is now.

It is understood the UK and US are discussing whether to reach new deals within the three-way pact on intelligence, deterrence of threats, free trade and human rights.
Interesting. What is Global Britain going to do about the colony they handed over to China some 25 years ago?
Nothing as usual because it is not in UK best interest. they still owe a declaration of war to USRR after all, after they invaded Poland in 1939 (as it was well established by treaty).
But is not just UK that is talking s.hi.t as usual pursuing their best interests only - it is everyone (Italy China Germany etc).
We should just scrap these declarations when they are made and that is it
Remember that their Boris was a pro EU guy before sniffing he could manage a better career if he turned Brexit guy
[rant off]
The idea that Boris was a pro-EU guy is hugely overstated. His journalistic career was founded on anti-EU articles. The over emphasis is largely because the Remain media knew he would win over votes to whatever side he went with. (The Brexit media knew this too).
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eldanielfire wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:54 am
AlanBengio wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:48 am
TheFrog wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:32 am
terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:01 am Yet it emerged on Wednesday that the Aukus deal, which helps Australia gain nuclear-powered submarines, could become much wider than it is now.

It is understood the UK and US are discussing whether to reach new deals within the three-way pact on intelligence, deterrence of threats, free trade and human rights.
Interesting. What is Global Britain going to do about the colony they handed over to China some 25 years ago?
Nothing as usual because it is not in UK best interest. they still owe a declaration of war to USRR after all, after they invaded Poland in 1939 (as it was well established by treaty).
But is not just UK that is talking s.hi.t as usual pursuing their best interests only - it is everyone (Italy China Germany etc).
We should just scrap these declarations when they are made and that is it
Remember that their Boris was a pro EU guy before sniffing he could manage a better career if he turned Brexit guy
[rant off]
The idea that Boris was a pro-EU guy is hugely overstated. His journalistic career was founded on anti-EU articles. The over emphasis is largely because the Remain media knew he would win over votes to whatever side he went with. (The Brexit media knew this too).
Founded on climate change denial too. Journalists write what the readership want to see and the editors demand. I don't see a bloke with deep political convictions - he's a 'why can't we all just get along and fix things' type of fellow.
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Everyone is pursuing the best interest - that is one of the very few cliches everyone should start from, when trying to figure out and judging other people / organizations actions.
Very few are capable of thinking about higher and broader goals.

This aukus thing generated because the originators thought “just Anglo Saxon is better” to pursue our interests - and that’s it

The sooner we (the rest) acknowledge this (that we are out of this circle) the better (we will react)

[second rant off]
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terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:11 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:46 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:46 pm Anyone see Boris's speech to UN assembly this morning?

Someone should tell him it's the UN assembly not the Oxford Union.
Brilliant. If there's one thing Boris loves, it's a stage.
He compared humanity to an impetuous 16-year-old “just old enough to get ourselves into serious trouble”.

“We have come to that fateful age when we know roughly how to drive and we know how to unlock the drinks cabinet and to engage in all sorts of activity that is not only potentially embarrassing but also terminal,” he said.

“We believe that someone else will clear up the mess we make, because that is what someone else has always done,” he said. “We trash our habitats again and again with the inductive reasoning that we have got away with it so far, and therefore we will get away with it again.

“My friends, the adolescence of humanity is coming to an end,” Johnson, said, adding: “We must come together in a collective coming of age.”
It was to be fair an excellent speech. He’s also got loads of media coverage so, good news.
I'm sure everyone was happy for BoJo to project his pathologies onto them.
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AlanBengio wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:11 am Everyone is pursuing the best interest - that is one of the very few cliches everyone should start from, when trying to figure out and judging other people / organizations actions.
Very few are capable of thinking about higher and broader goals.

This aukus thing generated because the originators thought “just Anglo Saxon is better” to pursue our interests - and that’s it

The sooner we (the rest) acknowledge this (that we are out of this circle) the better (we will react)

[second rant off]
If the EU and especially the French don’t go their own way after this then the world will see you are just gimped by angle saxons with no strength to stand up for yourselves or even to try to stop being a bitch.

This is a cross roads and one route will send a clear message to the whole world that the non Anglo nations are pathetic and the other will signal there is a little bit of spine left
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Dozy wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:19 am
AlanBengio wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:11 am Everyone is pursuing the best interest - that is one of the very few cliches everyone should start from, when trying to figure out and judging other people / organizations actions.
Very few are capable of thinking about higher and broader goals.

This aukus thing generated because the originators thought “just Anglo Saxon is better” to pursue our interests - and that’s it

The sooner we (the rest) acknowledge this (that we are out of this circle) the better (we will react)

[second rant off]
If the EU and especially the French don’t go their own way after this then the world will see you are just gimped by angle saxons with no strength to stand up for yourselves or even to try to stop being a bitch.

This is a cross roads and one route will send a clear message to the whole world that the non Anglo nations are pathetic and the other will signal there is a little bit of spine left
You know where angles and saxons, and Normans, originate?
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message #2527204 wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:25 am
Dozy wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:19 am
AlanBengio wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:11 am Everyone is pursuing the best interest - that is one of the very few cliches everyone should start from, when trying to figure out and judging other people / organizations actions.
Very few are capable of thinking about higher and broader goals.

This aukus thing generated because the originators thought “just Anglo Saxon is better” to pursue our interests - and that’s it

The sooner we (the rest) acknowledge this (that we are out of this circle) the better (we will react)

[second rant off]
If the EU and especially the French don’t go their own way after this then the world will see you are just gimped by angle saxons with no strength to stand up for yourselves or even to try to stop being a bitch.

This is a cross roads and one route will send a clear message to the whole world that the non Anglo nations are pathetic and the other will signal there is a little bit of spine left
You know where angles and saxons, and Normans, originate?
China?
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message #2527204 wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:25 am
Dozy wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:19 am
AlanBengio wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:11 am Everyone is pursuing the best interest - that is one of the very few cliches everyone should start from, when trying to figure out and judging other people / organizations actions.
Very few are capable of thinking about higher and broader goals.

This aukus thing generated because the originators thought “just Anglo Saxon is better” to pursue our interests - and that’s it

The sooner we (the rest) acknowledge this (that we are out of this circle) the better (we will react)

[second rant off]
If the EU and especially the French don’t go their own way after this then the world will see you are just gimped by angle saxons with no strength to stand up for yourselves or even to try to stop being a bitch.

This is a cross roads and one route will send a clear message to the whole world that the non Anglo nations are pathetic and the other will signal there is a little bit of spine left
You know where angles and saxons, and Normans, originate?
Still out of the club
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Leinsterman wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:27 am
message #2527204 wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:25 am
Dozy wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:19 am
AlanBengio wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:11 am Everyone is pursuing the best interest - that is one of the very few cliches everyone should start from, when trying to figure out and judging other people / organizations actions.
Very few are capable of thinking about higher and broader goals.

This aukus thing generated because the originators thought “just Anglo Saxon is better” to pursue our interests - and that’s it

The sooner we (the rest) acknowledge this (that we are out of this circle) the better (we will react)

[second rant off]
If the EU and especially the French don’t go their own way after this then the world will see you are just gimped by angle saxons with no strength to stand up for yourselves or even to try to stop being a bitch.

This is a cross roads and one route will send a clear message to the whole world that the non Anglo nations are pathetic and the other will signal there is a little bit of spine left
You know where angles and saxons, and Normans, originate?
China?
You know there are 3 times as many german and Irish americans than English? Add in the Spanish/hispanic, Italians, Chinese .. and it's difficult to call it an anglo-saxon country.
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AlanBengio wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:11 am Everyone is pursuing the best interest - that is one of the very few cliches everyone should start from, when trying to figure out and judging other people / organizations actions.
Very few are capable of thinking about higher and broader goals.

This aukus thing generated because the originators thought “just Anglo Saxon is better” to pursue our interests - and that’s it

The sooner we (the rest) acknowledge this (that we are out of this circle) the better (we will react)

[second rant off]
Actually I'd say they thought it was "USA is more powerful" which is frankly true in virtually any geopolitical question.
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message #2527204 wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:04 am
Founded on climate change denial too. Journalists write what the readership want to see and the editors demand. I don't see a bloke with deep political convictions - he's a 'why can't we all just get along and fix things' type of fellow.
I don't think Boris ahs any deep political convictions as well. Which is why it's always ridiculous when one side or another portrays him as having some "Dark authoritarian far right agenda" or "woke green agenda whose trying to suppress our rights with COVID" depending on your partisan view. Broadly it's obvious he has socially liberal tendencies and economically is both very free market capitalist and willing to use state spending.
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