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Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:01 am

The Native wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:52 am

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:44 am Scott Barretts a good player but in no way is he world class. There is a half a dozen better locks than him around the world minimum.

I actually think he’s close to the most underrated player in the All Blacks. And you don’t Captain the Crusaders if you’re not quite good.

He's a first class journeyman and sometimes brain fart thug at test level.

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:10 am Wow. Having read the Kiwi writeups, I do believe the Boks are in for a 95-0 drubbing.

Congratulations, NZ. Sorrry Jaques.

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:52 am

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:44 am Scott Barretts a good player but in no way is he world class. There is a half a dozen better locks than him around the world minimum.

Perhaps, but I think that says more about the locking depth worldwide than it does about Barrett.

I'd take Whitelock, Retallick, AWJ, Etzebeth, Mostert, and Itoje definitely ahead of him. He's probably about level with Beirne/Snyman/Lawes/de Jager in my eyes. There are a lot of very, very good locks around at the moment.

naki wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:17 am

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:58 am On another note, can anyone remember a more "Safe White Boy" back three for the ABs than Bridge/Jordan/Jordie?

I'm sure there are a few, but none immediately spring to mind.

Well Jordie is anything but Safe, though he is especially White and still relatively Boyish. Remember the last time we lost to the Saffers?

badmannotinjapan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:58 pm

Jensrsa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:12 am Springbok team to face New Zealand in Townsville:
15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 68 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Sbu Nkosi (Cell C Sharks) – 14 caps, 40 pts (8t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 21 caps, 25 pts (5t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 53 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 20 caps, 80 pts (16t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 55 caps, 544 pts (6t, 83c, 112p, 4d)
9 – Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks) – 34 caps, 25 pts (5t)
8 – Duane Vermeulen (Vodacom Bulls) – 56 caps, 15 pts (3t)
7 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 14 caps, 5 pts (1t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 58 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 51 caps, 25 pts (5t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 92 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 45 caps, 5 pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 43 caps, 45 pts (9t)
1 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 49 caps, 5pts (1t)

Replacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 41 caps, 45 pts (9t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 54 caps, 5pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 26 caps, 0 pts
19 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 46 caps, 5pts (1t)
20 – Marco van Staden (Leicester Tigers) – 8 caps, 0 pts
21 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 16 caps, 25 pts (5t)
22 – Elton Jantjies (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes) – 40 caps, 300 pts (2t, 64c, 54p)
23 – Frans Steyn (Toyota Cheetahs) – 69 caps, 141pts (11t, 7c, 21p, 3d)

If that's the team, they've scored 115 tries collectively. I wonder what the ABs team would be like in comparison.

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:44 am Scott Barretts a good player but in no way is he world class. There is a half a dozen better locks than him around the world minimum.

pigaaaa wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:26 am

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:52 am

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:44 am Scott Barretts a good player but in no way is he world class. There is a half a dozen better locks than him around the world minimum.

Perhaps, but I think that says more about the locking depth worldwide than it does about Barrett.

I'd take Whitelock, Retallick, AWJ, Etzebeth, Mostert, and Itoje definitely ahead of him. He's probably about level with Beirne/Snyman/Lawes/de Jager in my eyes. There are a lot of very, very good locks around at the moment.

AWJ? You got to be kidding. I presume you didn’t watch the Lions series.

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:30 am Adam Beard is a quality player.

Sards wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:00 am So we can expect a proper spanking from the ABs

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:47 am

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:44 am Scott Barretts a good player but in no way is he world class. There is a half a dozen better locks than him around the world minimum.

Not wanting to be argumentative or anything. but if he was the 7th ranked lock in the world wouldn't that still qualify him as being "world class"?

The Native wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:13 am

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:10 am Wow. Having read the Kiwi writeups, I do believe the Boks are in for a 95-0 drubbing.

Congratulations, NZ. Sorrry Jaques.

It’s quite unedifying and more than a little cringeworthy.

I don’t think anyone with good sense is expecting anything else than a war.

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:51 am I've read recently on here that Goodhue, Bridge, Ennor, Blackadder, and now Barrett are all overrated, and in some cases lucky to be in the squad.

I wonder what they all have in common?

trapper wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:02 am

Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:07 am

trapper wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:06 pm The ABs are going Bok hunting. Ardie said it himself, you have to beat number 1 to be number 1.

I think we will see a level of speed, intensity, skill and relentless attack from the ABs that the Boks just can’t live with. They’ll be out on their feet on the hour.

Did the Boks beat number one to become number one? What were the ranking going into the last world cup?

Why not use google, I’m not your secretary mate.

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 am

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:57 am No particular complaints. I think it is a sensible team with a few minor tweaks to the "A" team picked against the Wobs to combat the Boks strengths (i.e. Jacobson over Papalii to add some extra size, and Bridge over Reece for his high-ball skills).

If I were being picky, I'd have Vai'i and Ennor over PT and Tupaea, but they're line calls at best.

Papali'i is bigger than Jacobson.

On the safe white boys - Jordan doesn't fit the bill, too much flair, Jordie doesn't fit the bill as he's a one or two brainfart a game guy, Bridge probably is the poster boy for SWB these days, he's good at running in a straight line into defenders.

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:42 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 am

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:57 am No particular complaints. I think it is a sensible team with a few minor tweaks to the "A" team picked against the Wobs to combat the Boks strengths (i.e. Jacobson over Papalii to add some extra size, and Bridge over Reece for his high-ball skills).

If I were being picky, I'd have Vai'i and Ennor over PT and Tupaea, but they're line calls at best.

Papali'i is bigger than Jacobson.

On the safe white boys - Jordan doesn't fit the bill, too much flair, Jordie doesn't fit the bill as he's a one or two brainfart a game guy, Bridge probably is the poster boy for SWB these days, he's good at running in a straight line into defenders.

That's a ridiculous comment. Someone needs to watch George Bridge highlights.

The Native wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:13 am

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:10 am Wow. Having read the Kiwi writeups, I do believe the Boks are in for a 95-0 drubbing.

Congratulations, NZ. Sorrry Jaques.

It’s quite unedifying and more than a little cringeworthy.

I don’t think anyone with good sense is expecting anything else than a war.

Kiwias wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:25 am

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:51 am I've read recently on here that Goodhue, Bridge, Ennor, Blackadder, and now Barrett are all overrated, and in some cases lucky to be in the squad.

I wonder what they all have in common?

Some people include Taylor in that list.

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:36 am I would have liked to see the experienced ALB at centre against the Boks, but Ioane's okay there if need be. I much prefer him on the wing.

On the upside, it means kick receiver extraordinaire George Bridge comes into the side, complementing a pretty handy back three.

naki wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:48 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:42 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 am

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:57 am No particular complaints. I think it is a sensible team with a few minor tweaks to the "A" team picked against the Wobs to combat the Boks strengths (i.e. Jacobson over Papalii to add some extra size, and Bridge over Reece for his high-ball skills).

If I were being picky, I'd have Vai'i and Ennor over PT and Tupaea, but they're line calls at best.

Papali'i is bigger than Jacobson.

On the safe white boys - Jordan doesn't fit the bill, too much flair, Jordie doesn't fit the bill as he's a one or two brainfart a game guy, Bridge probably is the poster boy for SWB these days, he's good at running in a straight line into defenders.

That's a ridiculous comment. Someone needs to watch George Bridge highlights.

That's pretty much exactly what he's been doing this year though, jdog. When he first came on the international scene there was a lot more footwork, deft kicking and general jiggery-pokery. He's been a lot more stock standard since his injury.

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:36 am I would have liked to see the experienced ALB at centre against the Boks, but Ioane's okay there if need be. I much prefer him on the wing.

On the upside, it means kick receiver extraordinaire George Bridge comes into the side, complementing a pretty handy back three.

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:42 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 am

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:57 am No particular complaints. I think it is a sensible team with a few minor tweaks to the "A" team picked against the Wobs to combat the Boks strengths (i.e. Jacobson over Papalii to add some extra size, and Bridge over Reece for his high-ball skills).

If I were being picky, I'd have Vai'i and Ennor over PT and Tupaea, but they're line calls at best.

Papali'i is bigger than Jacobson.

On the safe white boys - Jordan doesn't fit the bill, too much flair, Jordie doesn't fit the bill as he's a one or two brainfart a game guy, Bridge probably is the poster boy for SWB these days, he's good at running in a straight line into defenders.

That's a ridiculous comment. Someone needs to watch George Bridge highlights.

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:55 am

naki wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:48 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:42 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 am

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:57 am No particular complaints. I think it is a sensible team with a few minor tweaks to the "A" team picked against the Wobs to combat the Boks strengths (i.e. Jacobson over Papalii to add some extra size, and Bridge over Reece for his high-ball skills).

If I were being picky, I'd have Vai'i and Ennor over PT and Tupaea, but they're line calls at best.

Papali'i is bigger than Jacobson.

On the safe white boys - Jordan doesn't fit the bill, too much flair, Jordie doesn't fit the bill as he's a one or two brainfart a game guy, Bridge probably is the poster boy for SWB these days, he's good at running in a straight line into defenders.

That's a ridiculous comment. Someone needs to watch George Bridge highlights.

That's pretty much exactly what he's been doing this year though, jdog. When he first came on the international scene there was a lot more footwork, deft kicking and general jiggery-pokery. He's been a lot more stock standard since his injury.

He's scored 12 tries in 15 games. I think supporters need to be patient as he works his way back to top form.

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:50 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:41 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:40 am Should add Jack Goodhue to the injured list.

Gonna have to take Mr B's Cantab visa off him.

Oh dear, yup

It's impressive that we've named such a strong team without our first choice 9/10/12/13.

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:58 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:36 am I would have liked to see the experienced ALB at centre against the Boks, but Ioane's okay there if need be. I much prefer him on the wing.

On the upside, it means kick receiver extraordinaire George Bridge comes into the side, complementing a pretty handy back three.

He's come a long way from me dreading seeing his name at centre to feeling relatively neutral about it. Still far prefer him on the wing, but he's developing fairly well.

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:05 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:42 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 am

mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:57 am No particular complaints. I think it is a sensible team with a few minor tweaks to the "A" team picked against the Wobs to combat the Boks strengths (i.e. Jacobson over Papalii to add some extra size, and Bridge over Reece for his high-ball skills).

If I were being picky, I'd have Vai'i and Ennor over PT and Tupaea, but they're line calls at best.

Papali'i is bigger than Jacobson.

On the safe white boys - Jordan doesn't fit the bill, too much flair, Jordie doesn't fit the bill as he's a one or two brainfart a game guy, Bridge probably is the poster boy for SWB these days, he's good at running in a straight line into defenders.

That's a ridiculous comment. Someone needs to watch George Bridge highlights.

I've got 15 seconds spare, can you point me to one.

The Native wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:10 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:55 am

naki wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:48 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:42 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 am
Papali'i is bigger than Jacobson.

On the safe white boys - Jordan doesn't fit the bill, too much flair, Jordie doesn't fit the bill as he's a one or two brainfart a game guy, Bridge probably is the poster boy for SWB these days, he's good at running in a straight line into defenders.

That's a ridiculous comment. Someone needs to watch George Bridge highlights.

That's pretty much exactly what he's been doing this year though, jdog. When he first came on the international scene there was a lot more footwork, deft kicking and general jiggery-pokery. He's been a lot more stock standard since his injury.

He's scored 12 tries in 15 games. I think supporters need to be patient as he works his way back to top form.

Why? He's the least in form winger in the squad and had ALB been fit would've been riding the pine or not even in the match day 23 squad now that we know Quinn Tupaea is on the bench.

The Native wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:10 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:55 am

naki wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:48 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:42 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 am
Papali'i is bigger than Jacobson.

On the safe white boys - Jordan doesn't fit the bill, too much flair, Jordie doesn't fit the bill as he's a one or two brainfart a game guy, Bridge probably is the poster boy for SWB these days, he's good at running in a straight line into defenders.

That's a ridiculous comment. Someone needs to watch George Bridge highlights.

That's pretty much exactly what he's been doing this year though, jdog. When he first came on the international scene there was a lot more footwork, deft kicking and general jiggery-pokery. He's been a lot more stock standard since his injury.

He's scored 12 tries in 15 games. I think supporters need to be patient as he works his way back to top form.

Why? He's the least in form winger in the squad and had ALB been fit would've been riding the pine or not even in the match day 23 squad now that we know Quinn Tupaea is on the bench.

Kiwias wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:35 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:43 am

UncleFB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:40 am As long as he doesn't wear that headband, he'll lose his SWB status if he does that too often.

The previous king of the SWB's was Ralph right?

Caleb Ralph was too Maori to be a SWB.

Ben Blair and Scott Hamilton want to have a word

Kiwias wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:24 am

The Native wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:10 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:55 am

naki wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:48 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:42 am

That's a ridiculous comment. Someone needs to watch George Bridge highlights.

That's pretty much exactly what he's been doing this year though, jdog. When he first came on the international scene there was a lot more footwork, deft kicking and general jiggery-pokery. He's been a lot more stock standard since his injury.

He's scored 12 tries in 15 games. I think supporters need to be patient as he works his way back to top form.

Why? He's the least in form winger in the squad and had ALB been fit would've been riding the pine or not even in the match day 23 squad now that we know Quinn Tupaea is on the bench.

Now you are starting to get silly. QT is nowhere near pushing Bridge out of the match team or squad. He has not shown either anything near the range of skills of Bridge or played sufficient top level games.

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:15 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:47 am

Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:44 am Scott Barretts a good player but in no way is he world class. There is a half a dozen better locks than him around the world minimum.

Not wanting to be argumentative or anything. but if he was the 7th ranked lock in the world wouldn't that still qualify him as being "world class"?

I wouldn't think so personally and I wouldn't rank him 7th either. I'd struggle to get him into my top 10.

There are a bunch of different definitions to "world class". There are a number of top teams that he would not be first choice when their best players are fit. He's not even first choice for the All Blacks when Whitelock and Retallick are available.

Overall I think he's done a good job for the ABs this year but his set piece has been a bit up and down.

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:24 am

The Native wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:10 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:55 am

naki wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:48 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:42 am

That's a ridiculous comment. Someone needs to watch George Bridge highlights.

That's pretty much exactly what he's been doing this year though, jdog. When he first came on the international scene there was a lot more footwork, deft kicking and general jiggery-pokery. He's been a lot more stock standard since his injury.

He's scored 12 tries in 15 games. I think supporters need to be patient as he works his way back to top form.

Why? He's the least in form winger in the squad and had ALB been fit would've been riding the pine or not even in the match day 23 squad now that we know Quinn Tupaea is on the bench.

ALB isn't fit though, is he.

The Native wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:29 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:24 am

The Native wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:10 am

jdogscoop wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:55 am

naki wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:48 am

That's pretty much exactly what he's been doing this year though, jdog. When he first came on the international scene there was a lot more footwork, deft kicking and general jiggery-pokery. He's been a lot more stock standard since his injury.

He's scored 12 tries in 15 games. I think supporters need to be patient as he works his way back to top form.

Why? He's the least in form winger in the squad and had ALB been fit would've been riding the pine or not even in the match day 23 squad now that we know Quinn Tupaea is on the bench.

ALB isn't fit though, is he.

Answer the question, why be patient? He's the worst performing outside back in the squad.