Is it just one lunatic, or is France's political system broken ?

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eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:10 am
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I am absolutely amazed that France wants to give their UN security Council Seat and Veto to the EU.

On the world stage being a permanent member of the UN Security Council and having a Veto is a big big deal.
I don't believe it's genuine. I do think they want to create pressure so the EU ahs a seat or to push the EU to get bigger and more into military.
The UK will never in a million years agree to the EU getting a seat and Veto power especially given the way they acted over Vaccines.
Yeah we would. They just have to pay the price
Yeah, the idea we'd never get a Europhile PM who wouldn't isn't impossible. I would say I don't think the EU would ever get a seat because it could be setting a president of powerful organizations which aren't nations being able to get onto it which opens a Pandora's box on that.
Why would you give a dysfunctional trading block with no leadership a seat on anything?
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not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
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terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:21 am
nardol wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:26 am you could write something far more sinister and deranged about blowjo
Really? Seems pretty straightforward chap to be honest.
Indeed. Has babies and lies a lot.
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panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
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eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
if the end goal from macron is to get US support for a better and indy EU defense, then using a row on the asutralian deal to get Biden to support the project is not necessarily irrational, no?
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panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:15 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
if the end goal from macron is to get US support for a better and indy EU defense, then using a row on the asutralian deal to get Biden to support the project is not necessarily irrational, no?
US support for an independent EU defence? :lol:
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panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:15 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
if the end goal from macron is to get US support for a better and indy EU defense, then using a row on the asutralian deal to get Biden to support the project is not necessarily irrational, no?

Proper 4:D chess .
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:32 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:15 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
if the end goal from macron is to get US support for a better and indy EU defense, then using a row on the asutralian deal to get Biden to support the project is not necessarily irrational, no?
US support for an independent EU defence? :lol:
for years American diplomats and presidents have accused the europeans of not spending enough on their defense, on relying only on USA, of not contributing enough to Nato, of not taking their security into their own hands...
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eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
Sure, it is totally acceptable to be stabbed in the back by your anglo "friends"

Macron should have asked for more really.
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La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
Sure, it is totally acceptable to be stabbed in the back by your anglo "friends"

Macron should have asked for more really.

But stopping deliveries of vaccines by the Galics is perfectly acceptable.
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panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:32 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:15 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
if the end goal from macron is to get US support for a better and indy EU defense, then using a row on the asutralian deal to get Biden to support the project is not necessarily irrational, no?
US support for an independent EU defence? :lol:
for years American diplomats and presidents have accused the europeans of not spending enough on their defense, on relying only on USA, of not contributing enough to Nato, of not taking their security into their own hands...
And for years France threatens to pull out of NATO if it's asked to contribute more. Of course it then contributes more.
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DragsterDriver wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:17 am
nardol wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:26 am you could write something far more sinister and deranged about blowjo
As nardol posts his finishing cert in ‘Whataboutery’.
He's not wrong though, is he.
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bimboman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:00 pm
La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
Sure, it is totally acceptable to be stabbed in the back by your anglo "friends"

Macron should have asked for more really.

But stopping deliveries of vaccines by the Galics is perfectly acceptable.
The posts resulting from the the connections made in your brain are a marvel to read.

Does it make a noise in your head when you type replies like that? Like "Whizzzz" or "Pssshhhhh"?
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:05 pm
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:32 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:15 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am

Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
if the end goal from macron is to get US support for a better and indy EU defense, then using a row on the asutralian deal to get Biden to support the project is not necessarily irrational, no?
US support for an independent EU defence? :lol:
for years American diplomats and presidents have accused the europeans of not spending enough on their defense, on relying only on USA, of not contributing enough to Nato, of not taking their security into their own hands...
And for years France threatens to pull out of NATO if it's asked to contribute more. Of course it then contributes more.
exactly, so now that the US and France finally find a common ground on the need for Europe and NATO to get their shit together, it could be seen as a bit "clumsy" to act the way the US did on the aussie subs, no?
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:05 pm
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:32 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:15 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am

Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
if the end goal from macron is to get US support for a better and indy EU defense, then using a row on the asutralian deal to get Biden to support the project is not necessarily irrational, no?
US support for an independent EU defence? :lol:
for years American diplomats and presidents have accused the europeans of not spending enough on their defense, on relying only on USA, of not contributing enough to Nato, of not taking their security into their own hands...
And for years France threatens to pull out of NATO if it's asked to contribute more. Of course it then contributes more.
Talking of which, MAcron is under pressure from both the left and right to at least leave the command structure of NATO like they did in 1966.
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panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:10 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:05 pm
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:32 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:15 am

if the end goal from macron is to get US support for a better and indy EU defense, then using a row on the asutralian deal to get Biden to support the project is not necessarily irrational, no?
US support for an independent EU defence? :lol:
for years American diplomats and presidents have accused the europeans of not spending enough on their defense, on relying only on USA, of not contributing enough to Nato, of not taking their security into their own hands...
And for years France threatens to pull out of NATO if it's asked to contribute more. Of course it then contributes more.
exactly, so now that the US and France finally find a common ground on the need for Europe and NATO to get their shit together, it could be seen as a bit "clumsy" to act the way the US did on the aussie subs, no?
France is now 'Europe'? The UK never had issues with being a member of NATO and paying its way. Never heard any other EU countries complaining either.

Mr Napoleon complex's entourage and the french state are spinning stories like f**king huge spinny things.
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:12 pm
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:10 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:05 pm
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:32 am

US support for an independent EU defence? :lol:
for years American diplomats and presidents have accused the europeans of not spending enough on their defense, on relying only on USA, of not contributing enough to Nato, of not taking their security into their own hands...
And for years France threatens to pull out of NATO if it's asked to contribute more. Of course it then contributes more.
exactly, so now that the US and France finally find a common ground on the need for Europe and NATO to get their shit together, it could be seen as a bit "clumsy" to act the way the US did on the aussie subs, no?
France is now 'Europe'? The UK never had issues with being a member of NATO and paying its way. Never heard any other EU countries complaining either.

Mr Napoleon complex's entourage and the french state are spinning stories like f**king huge spinny things.
where did I say France is Europe?

France indeed had issues with being part of NATO at some periods, yes. Because, you see, we have these things called elections and political alternance. And so, sometimes after an election you will get guys who have more of a "Gaullist" stand on international matters, like Mitterand or Chirac, and sometimes some other guys who are definitely atlantists, like Sarkozy or Macron.

I just don't see how it makes sense from a US perspective to spit in the face of the most atlantist president we've had for a while... and i'm not even talking about the validity of the AUKUS alliance, which honnestly make a lot of sense for the parties involved
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La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:10 pm
bimboman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:00 pm
La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
Sure, it is totally acceptable to be stabbed in the back by your anglo "friends"

Macron should have asked for more really.


But stopping deliveries of vaccines by the Galics is perfectly acceptable.
The posts resulting from the the connections made in your brain are a marvel to read.

Does it make a noise in your head when you type replies like that? Like "Whizzzz" or "Pssshhhhh"?
He's absolutely spot on. Macron is a 2 faced hypocritical plum.
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You can call me Bill wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:30 pm
La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:10 pm
bimboman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:00 pm
La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am

Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
Sure, it is totally acceptable to be stabbed in the back by your anglo "friends"

Macron should have asked for more really.


But stopping deliveries of vaccines by the Galics is perfectly acceptable.
The posts resulting from the the connections made in your brain are a marvel to read.

Does it make a noise in your head when you type replies like that? Like "Whizzzz" or "Pssshhhhh"?
He's absolutely spot on. Macron is a 2 faced hypocritical plum.
Well on THIS, basically anyone can agree...
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Just another politician.

There is absolutely nobody with enough support/carrure to replace him though. We'll have him for 5 more years.
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La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:36 pm Just another politician.

There is absolutely nobody with enough support/carrure to replace him though. We'll have him for 5 more years.
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Ted. wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:07 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:17 am
nardol wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:26 am you could write something far more sinister and deranged about blowjo
As nardol posts his finishing cert in ‘Whataboutery’.
He's not wrong though, is he.
you could write something far more sinister and deranged about the Taliban.

you could write something far more sinister and deranged about Jacinda.

you could write something far more sinister and deranged about Peter Sutcliffe.

Etc.
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La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:12 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:05 pm
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:32 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:15 am

if the end goal from macron is to get US support for a better and indy EU defense, then using a row on the asutralian deal to get Biden to support the project is not necessarily irrational, no?
US support for an independent EU defence? :lol:
for years American diplomats and presidents have accused the europeans of not spending enough on their defense, on relying only on USA, of not contributing enough to Nato, of not taking their security into their own hands...
And for years France threatens to pull out of NATO if it's asked to contribute more. Of course it then contributes more.
Talking of which, MAcron is under pressure from both the left and right to at least leave the command structure of NATO like they did in 1966.
So that means NATO can send French troops into battle with no involvement from French command? Ok
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terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:24 pm
La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:12 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:05 pm
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:32 am

US support for an independent EU defence? :lol:
for years American diplomats and presidents have accused the europeans of not spending enough on their defense, on relying only on USA, of not contributing enough to Nato, of not taking their security into their own hands...
And for years France threatens to pull out of NATO if it's asked to contribute more. Of course it then contributes more.
Talking of which, MAcron is under pressure from both the left and right to at least leave the command structure of NATO like they did in 1966.
So that means NATO can send French troops into battle with no involvement from French command? Ok
I'm sure they could refuse to fight.
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:28 pm
terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:24 pm
La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:12 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:05 pm
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am

for years American diplomats and presidents have accused the europeans of not spending enough on their defense, on relying only on USA, of not contributing enough to Nato, of not taking their security into their own hands...
And for years France threatens to pull out of NATO if it's asked to contribute more. Of course it then contributes more.
Talking of which, MAcron is under pressure from both the left and right to at least leave the command structure of NATO like they did in 1966.
So that means NATO can send French troops into battle with no involvement from French command? Ok
I'm sure they could refuse to fight.
or team up with the enemy like with the Japanese in Indochina.
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:28 pm
terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:24 pm
La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:12 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:05 pm
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:46 am

for years American diplomats and presidents have accused the europeans of not spending enough on their defense, on relying only on USA, of not contributing enough to Nato, of not taking their security into their own hands...
And for years France threatens to pull out of NATO if it's asked to contribute more. Of course it then contributes more.
Talking of which, MAcron is under pressure from both the left and right to at least leave the command structure of NATO like they did in 1966.
So that means NATO can send French troops into battle with no involvement from French command? Ok
I'm sure they could refuse to fight.
That looks like a great example of a lunatic in charge and a broken political system, right there.
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panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:15 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
if the end goal from macron is to get US support for a better and indy EU defense, then using a row on the asutralian deal to get Biden to support the project is not necessarily irrational, no?
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Boris in charge with FPTP electoral system.

That's a broken system
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:02 pm Boris in charge with FPTP electoral system.

That's a broken system
Broken Britain with a massive chip on its shoulders by the look of the contribution of the usual bulldogs on this thread.

Or should I say poodles?
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La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:10 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:02 pm Boris in charge with FPTP electoral system.

That's a broken system
Broken Britain with a massive chip on its shoulders by the look of the contribution of the usual bulldogs on this thread.

Or should I say poodles?

FFS, prenez in grip, donnez-moi un break. :lol:
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La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:10 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:02 pm Boris in charge with FPTP electoral system.

That's a broken system
Broken Britain with a massive chip on its shoulders by the look of the contribution of the usual bulldogs on this thread.

Or should I say poodles?
By definition, it's genetically impossible for us to have a chip on our shoulders, unlike the rest of Europe.
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 pm
La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:10 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:02 pm Boris in charge with FPTP electoral system.

That's a broken system
Broken Britain with a massive chip on its shoulders by the look of the contribution of the usual bulldogs on this thread.

Or should I say poodles?
By definition, it's genetically impossible for us to have a chip on our shoulders, unlike the rest of Europe.
Head is too big?
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La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:15 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 pm
La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:10 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:02 pm Boris in charge with FPTP electoral system.

That's a broken system
Broken Britain with a massive chip on its shoulders by the look of the contribution of the usual bulldogs on this thread.

Or should I say poodles?
By definition, it's genetically impossible for us to have a chip on our shoulders, unlike the rest of Europe.
Head is too big?
:lol: Buy a frenchman for what he's worth, and sell him for what he thinks he's worth. ;)
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:02 pm Boris in charge with FPTP electoral system.

That's a broken system
Really? there aren't many systems where the person who got 43% of votes wouldn't be PM.

I mean haven't Ireland's 2nd and 3rd most popular parties combined just to freeze out the most popular choice? Despite the fact their popular vote percentage combined came to less then what Boris Johnson got in the UK? Didn't your current Taoiseach get more seats with fewer votes than the first placed party? You claiming that's a better democratic outcome?
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Re: Is it just one lunatic, or is France's political system broken ?

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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:32 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:15 am
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am
panamax wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:31 am not necessarily a fan of the guy, but how exactly was Macron irrational on the matter?
Withdrawing your ambassadors from a country because they exercised their end clauses that both sides agreed to and made a deal with another? Like when Macron did the same just because an Italian politician supported the protests in France.
if the end goal from macron is to get US support for a better and indy EU defense, then using a row on the asutralian deal to get Biden to support the project is not necessarily irrational, no?
US support for an independent EU defence? :lol:
Kinda been asking for that for 30 years...
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Re: Is it just one lunatic, or is France's political system broken ?

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eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:42 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:02 pm Boris in charge with FPTP electoral system.

That's a broken system
Really? there aren't many systems where the person who got 43% of votes wouldn't be PM.

I mean haven't Ireland's 2nd and 3rd most popular parties combined just to freeze out the most popular choice? Despite the fact their popular vote percentage combined came to less then what Boris Johnson got in the UK? Didn't your current Taoiseach get more seats with fewer votes than the first placed party? You claiming that's a better democratic outcome?
The issue there was Sinn Fein didn't run enough candidates as they didn't expect to get that close. It wasn't PR-STV that failed them
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Re: Is it just one lunatic, or is France's political system broken ?

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La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:36 pm Just another politician.

There is absolutely nobody with enough support/carrure to replace him though. We'll have him for 5 more years.

“Shrugs” and admits the doubters are right.
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Re: Is it just one lunatic, or is France's political system broken ?

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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:18 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:42 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:02 pm Boris in charge with FPTP electoral system.

That's a broken system
Really? there aren't many systems where the person who got 43% of votes wouldn't be PM.

I mean haven't Ireland's 2nd and 3rd most popular parties combined just to freeze out the most popular choice? Despite the fact their popular vote percentage combined came to less then what Boris Johnson got in the UK? Didn't your current Taoiseach get more seats with fewer votes than the first placed party? You claiming that's a better democratic outcome?
The issue there was Sinn Fein didn't run enough candidates as they didn't expect to get that close. It wasn't PR-STV that failed them
Which only further illustrates my point further. It's produced an outcome that is not entirely reflective of the votes and the first choice party of the electorate can still be frozen out by others. In this case even ones who vote percentage combine to be less of the FPTP UK system you just criticised.

That's not a pro-FPTP point by the way, there is no electoral system that works perfectly and FPTP isn't really any more or less democratic than other systems you haven't criticised.
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Re: Is it just one lunatic, or is France's political system broken ?

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bimboman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:32 pm
La soule wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:36 pm Just another politician.

There is absolutely nobody with enough support/carrure to replace him though. We'll have him for 5 more years.

“Shrugs” and admits the doubters are right.
About what?

I despise most politicians. Careerists wankers.
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Re: Is it just one lunatic, or is France's political system broken ?

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eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:50 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:18 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:42 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:02 pm Boris in charge with FPTP electoral system.

That's a broken system
Really? there aren't many systems where the person who got 43% of votes wouldn't be PM.

I mean haven't Ireland's 2nd and 3rd most popular parties combined just to freeze out the most popular choice? Despite the fact their popular vote percentage combined came to less then what Boris Johnson got in the UK? Didn't your current Taoiseach get more seats with fewer votes than the first placed party? You claiming that's a better democratic outcome?
The issue there was Sinn Fein didn't run enough candidates as they didn't expect to get that close. It wasn't PR-STV that failed them
Which only further illustrates my point further. It's produced an outcome that is not entirely reflective of the votes and the first choice party of the electorate can still be frozen out by others. In this case even ones who vote percentage combine to be less of the FPTP UK system you just criticised.

That's not a pro-FPTP point by the way, there is no electoral system that works perfectly and FPTP isn't really any more or less democratic than other systems you haven't criticised.
Eh no it's because the shinners didn't run enough candidates. Had they , they would have won at a canter.

Simple really.
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