Re: The official cycling thread
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:20 am
Puncture proof tyres are the go here - Aussie roads have so much glass on.
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Getting caught in the wrong gear is a bitch isn't it?BlackMac wrote:Just back from my first ride on the new bike. For a guy that has kept himself pretty fit I am gobsmacked how hard it was. Had to give up on a couple of hills, especially when i f**ked up the gearing!!
Tell me about it! Two flats in a month when I lived in Canberra. Two in a year is the most I've had here.Mat the Expat wrote:Puncture proof tyres are the go here - Aussie roads have so much glass on.
Good job, keep at it and big improvements will come, you need to ride at least three times a week to get meaningful gains. Just remember that cycling is about learning to suffer, to quote the legendary Jens Voigt "..it doesn't get any easier, you just get faster..."BlackMac wrote:Just back from my first ride on the new bike. For a guy that has kept himself pretty fit I am gobsmacked how hard it was. Had to give up on a couple of hills, especially when i f**ked up the gearing!!
Maybe that's if the peloton is dictating the pace you ride at, but I've found after getting back on the bike the last 4-5 months that it gets both. I'm cruising up climbs now that were murdering me back in March/April, and set a PB on Strava yesterday up one that nearly had me walking when I first tried it.Spyglass wrote:Good job, keep at it and big improvements will come, you need to ride at least three times a week to get meaningful gains. Just remember that cycling is about learning to suffer, to quote the legendary Jens Voigt "..it doesn't get any easier, you just get faster..."BlackMac wrote:Just back from my first ride on the new bike. For a guy that has kept himself pretty fit I am gobsmacked how hard it was. Had to give up on a couple of hills, especially when i f**ked up the gearing!!
Jeff the Bear wrote:Sounds intensive. I thought I'd be able to calculate it using some equations given that I knew my average speed and weight, but it doesn't seem to be possible.Seez wrote:Apposite wrote:How hilly is the route?
With my very limited knowledge of cycling I'd say you are going at a decent pace, even though your route is short enough.
If you're reasonably fit and you are pretty bollocksed when you arrive that is a non-scientific way of determining that you are going at a decent speed.
Why not change the knobblies for semi-slick MTB tyres? You'll be amazed at the difference.
In that case, 21km/h sounds very good. Switching the noise converters for slicks is the easiest way of making a big gain.
To work out watts per kg you need a powermeter or something that simulates one like TrainerRoad.com. Then you do a painful test called a CP20. If you want to do one without buying any kit you should be able to find a coach or uni sports science lab with a Watt Bike or Computrainer near you that will let you do one for a few quid. Test itself takes about an hour with warm up and cool down. The key (and hurty) part is a 20 minute interval where you try to hold the highest constant power you can sustain for 20 mins. It is difficult to get the pacing right on the first few goes, you tend to save yourself a bit too much and spike at the end or bury yourself early on and blow. The result of that test will give you your critical power for 20 (CP20) and 60 mins (CP60, which is 95% of CP20). CP60 is also known as your FTP or functional threshold power. Then you divide by your weight in kg.
The point he's making is that if you bury yourself on every training session/ride you get faster (up to a point), so the suffering is constant. Since I have started taking my training seriously, it's now all FTP based. Every 6 weeks you reassess your FTP (hopefully up) and the target power for your intervals, etc. goes up correspondingly. So your RPE (rate of perceive exertion) stays the same.DOB wrote:Maybe that's if the peloton is dictating the pace you ride at, but I've found after getting back on the bike the last 4-5 months that it gets both. I'm cruising up climbs now that were murdering me back in March/April, and set a PB on Strava yesterday up one that nearly had me walking when I first tried it.Spyglass wrote:Good job, keep at it and big improvements will come, you need to ride at least three times a week to get meaningful gains. Just remember that cycling is about learning to suffer, to quote the legendary Jens Voigt "..it doesn't get any easier, you just get faster..."BlackMac wrote:Just back from my first ride on the new bike. For a guy that has kept himself pretty fit I am gobsmacked how hard it was. Had to give up on a couple of hills, especially when i f**ked up the gearing!!
The bike was properly fitted so it should be fine, it is just getting used to being back in the saddle and correctly using the gears again. I think the problem was that I was changing down too much when the hill (barely) started to bite. Suddenly found I was putting in a lot of effort for very little gain and tired pretty quick.blindcider wrote:Getting caught in the wrong gear is a bitch isn't it?BlackMac wrote:Just back from my first ride on the new bike. For a guy that has kept himself pretty fit I am gobsmacked how hard it was. Had to give up on a couple of hills, especially when i f**ked up the gearing!!
Change down as early as possible but use the gears to try and maintain the same pedal cadence the entire way up the hill.
Make sure the seat is at the right height for hills as well otherwise your quads will really suffer on hillier rides. Leg should be nearly straight at the bottom of the stroke with your foot flat and your hips shouldn't wobble as you pedal.
Spyglass wrote:However, if you’re riding the same route at the same speed, then yes it will get easier.
It's insane, when you start looking at the groundNieghorn wrote:Tell me about it! Two flats in a month when I lived in Canberra. Two in a year is the most I've had here.Mat the Expat wrote:Puncture proof tyres are the go here - Aussie roads have so much glass on.
BOOM! KAPOW! BOOM! Came in this morning in under 25 minutes (the App actually said 25.12, but given that I have to turn the app on, put phone in bag, zip up bag, put bag on back, put clips around chest and stomach, and then get on the bike and move, and then do the opposite when I get off at the other end...it equals a good 15-45 seconds of time, so I'm claiming a sub-25 minute time!).Jeff the Bear wrote:BOOM! Got my time into work down to under 27 minutes, that 5 minutes knocked off my time from the start of the summer...I'm hoping to crack the holy grail of sub 25 minutes by the end of the summer.
Does your app not calculate your "moving time"? Strava does for me; the 1:36 ride I did the other day came out the same total on Strava and on my Cateye, which is set to auto.Jeff the Bear wrote:BOOM! KAPOW! BOOM! Came in this morning in under 25 minutes (the App actually said 25.12, but given that I have to turn the app on, put phone in bag, zip up bag, put bag on back, put clips around chest and stomach, and then get on the bike and move, and then do the opposite when I get off at the other end...it equals a good 15-45 seconds of time, so I'm claiming a sub-25 minute time!).Jeff the Bear wrote:BOOM! Got my time into work down to under 27 minutes, that 5 minutes knocked off my time from the start of the summer...I'm hoping to crack the holy grail of sub 25 minutes by the end of the summer.
Guess it depends on signal. It was bang on again for me today.Mat the Expat wrote:Strava is not 100% accurate due to GPS.
The first time I did my standard route, I "Jesused" 2 Km across water
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Apparently so - according to Morvelo, it's in one of the bike mags this month.Womack wrote:Is that a genuine ad, Duke?
Piccie was flipped for the adSpyglass wrote:duke wrote:Latest ad from WD40 - can you spot the deliberate mistake?
Drive train (chainrings, chain, cassette, derailleur) on the wrong side. Plus it's an old bike, perhaps that's why it needs WD40
I only ask because of the abovementioned blog - it's a ludicrously widely-used stock photo (in fact series of photos of the same bloke) that crops up everywhere in bike-related ads, posters etc, despite the guy not exactly fulfilling the approved look for the majority of the road cyclists these ads are usually aimed at. The guy that writes the blog calls him the 'time traveling t-shirt-wearing retro-Fred from the planet Tridork'duke wrote:Apparently so - according to Morvelo, it's in one of the bike mags this month.Womack wrote:Is that a genuine ad, Duke?
In fairness, that probably makes him the exact cyclist that WD40 are aiming their product at.Womack wrote:I only ask because of the abovementioned blog - it's a ludicrously widely-used stock photo (in fact series of photos of the same bloke) that crops up everywhere in bike-related ads, posters etc, despite the guy not exactly fulfilling the approved look for the majority of the road cyclists these ads are usually aimed at. The guy that writes the blog calls him the 'time traveling t-shirt-wearing retro-Fred from the planet Tridork'duke wrote:Apparently so - according to Morvelo, it's in one of the bike mags this month.Womack wrote:Is that a genuine ad, Duke?
Yes the wind, headwind or crosswind, can have a significant effect on your speed. Around Houston we don't have any hills to mention but we have wind, so I generally try to plan my routes out against the wind and back with it. Just like hills it's a mental thing, just remember to get low/aero and shift gears to keep you cadence high. If you have a power meter or heart rate monitor it helps you keep your effort reasonably constant.BlackMac wrote:Had about 10 rides on the new bike, furthest about 25 miles over some pretty hill terrain. What has surprised me is how devastating the wind is and how f**king terrible some of the roads are. Really enjoying it though.
A quick question, I have bought some fairly cheap shorts from Decathlon and although I am not having too much trouble, just how much benefit is there in the padding of the ones that are £50 plus.
Exactly, WD40 doesn't go anywhere near my bikeDOB wrote:In fairness, that probably makes him the exact cyclist that WD40 are aiming their product at.Womack wrote:I only ask because of the abovementioned blog - it's a ludicrously widely-used stock photo (in fact series of photos of the same bloke) that crops up everywhere in bike-related ads, posters etc, despite the guy not exactly fulfilling the approved look for the majority of the road cyclists these ads are usually aimed at. The guy that writes the blog calls him the 'time traveling t-shirt-wearing retro-Fred from the planet Tridork'duke wrote:Apparently so - according to Morvelo, it's in one of the bike mags this month.Womack wrote:Is that a genuine ad, Duke?
I use dhb ones from wiggle.co.uk, they've got very good quality padding for the money. You can get chamois cream as well, basically its ballbag lubricant, works a treat.BlackMac wrote:Had about 10 rides on the new bike, furthest about 25 miles over some pretty hill terrain. What has surprised me is how devastating the wind is and how f**king terrible some of the roads are. Really enjoying it though.
A quick question, I have bought some fairly cheap shorts from Decathlon and although I am not having too much trouble, just how much benefit is there in the padding of the ones that are £50 plus.
Spyglass wrote:Yes the wind, headwind or crosswind, can have a significant effect on your speed. Around Houston we don't have any hills to mention but we have wind, so I generally try to plan my routes out against the wind and back with it. Just like hills it's a mental thing, just remember to get low/aero and shift gears to keep you cadence high. If you have a power meter or heart rate monitor it helps you keep your effort reasonably constant.BlackMac wrote:Had about 10 rides on the new bike, furthest about 25 miles over some pretty hill terrain. What has surprised me is how devastating the wind is and how f**king terrible some of the roads are. Really enjoying it though.
Agreed, the key is to maintain a constant effort, you can achieve this by using a PM or HRM. My knees start to complain if I start mashing a big gear at a lower cadence, so I try to maintain a cadence of 90 to 95 rpm and use my aerobic engine rather that pure leg strength to deal with wind or hills.DOB wrote:Spyglass wrote:Yes the wind, headwind or crosswind, can have a significant effect on your speed. Around Houston we don't have any hills to mention but we have wind, so I generally try to plan my routes out against the wind and back with it. Just like hills it's a mental thing, just remember to get low/aero and shift gears to keep you cadence high. If you have a power meter or heart rate monitor it helps you keep your effort reasonably constant.BlackMac wrote:Had about 10 rides on the new bike, furthest about 25 miles over some pretty hill terrain. What has surprised me is how devastating the wind is and how f**king terrible some of the roads are. Really enjoying it though.
If I have to choose between hills or wind on any given day, I take hills every time.
But I am noticing that to maintain speed into the wind, I'm often better off shifting up and hammering out a big gear. When you shift down, you start to slow down. Then you shift down again, and again, and again. Next thing you know you're doing 10mph on the small ring and getting nowhere.
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