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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:20 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:27 pm 
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England still lack a cutting edge.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:31 pm 
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Having said that...

Brilliant goal!

Or not. :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:32 pm 
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Having said that...

Brilliant goal!


Or rather not.

But since the equaliser, England really woke up. Why not before?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:45 pm 
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I'm watching on Dutch TV and there was no replay of Lingard's offside.

According to comments on BBC, he was unlucky as it seems to be a controversial call. Was it actually offside? How close was this? I never actually got to see it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:46 pm 
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I'm watching on Dutch TV and there was no replay of Lingard's offside.

According to comments on BBC, he was unlucky as it seems to be a controversial call. Was it actually offside? How close was this? I never actually got to see it.

Offside by less than a 3rd of the shoulder.

Extremely tight.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:47 pm 
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he was offside by a hair. Don't mind VAR but it really breaks up the flow of the game.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:48 pm 
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Was close enough that I’ve seen them given as goals - was bit harsh against england


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:54 pm 
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He was offside, it was tight but VAR got it right.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:56 pm 
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Who f**ked up there?


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Chilwell lucky there.


Definitely.

England's defenders appear to be playing with the casualness of a team 4-0 up in a friendly.

They appear to think they are much more talented than they really are.


That.


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jesus that was terrible


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:58 pm 
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There's the England we know and love.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:00 pm 
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There's the England we know and love.


I think well see more goals for both teams


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iarmhiman wrote:
maverickmak wrote:
There's the England we know and love.


I think well see more goals for both teams


According to BBC stats there have been 38 shots on goal, 15 on target. Excluding Lingard's disallowed one. There's likely to be a few more chances, if not goals.

Though I suspect a 3-1 scoreline to finish


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:07 pm 
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This game is all about momentum. If England can get a goal by any means they will have that momentum to go on and win it


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:12 pm 
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Dutch midfield is just so much more comfortable on the ball


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:13 pm 
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I don't want to be too harsh on him as Pep obviously likes him, but John Stones has now cost England two semi-finals.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:15 pm 
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Jesus christ that's pathetic


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This Dutch team showing how much classier they are.


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Can't complain really. We're not going to do better until we can find players in the middle of the park who can control and pass the ball in tight spaces. We've got talent but still a lot a dross.


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4071 wrote:
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earl the beaver wrote:
Chilwell lucky there.


Definitely.

England's defenders appear to be playing with the casualness of a team 4-0 up in a friendly.

They appear to think they are much more talented than they really are.


That.


Seriously. Why do they do that?

What happened to the days when a player wouldn't fudge around near his own penalty area?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:19 pm 
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The Dutch have looked after the ball far better than England.




Where have we heard that before?

John Stones deserves to be dropped. He might be Pep's pet, but he just isn't good enough.


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Kyle Walker is the first player to score for the Netherlands in extra-time since Ruud Geels in 1976 v Yugoslavia.


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So Holland on the way back again.



Congrats Salanya and Nardol

And Sewa who is effectively Dutch at this stage


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:25 pm 
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4071 wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
maverickmak wrote:
There's the England we know and love.


I think well see more goals for both teams


According to BBC stats there have been 38 shots on goal, 15 on target. Excluding Lingard's disallowed one. There's likely to be a few more chances, if not goals.

Though I suspect a 3-1 scoreline to finish


Good call!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:25 pm 
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I only casually watch football these days


I don't know half the English team :lol:
Are they premier League players?

I know v dijks team mate at Liverpool and Kane... That's about it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:54 pm 
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Same thing as Barcelona vs Liverpool.

If you go with a very high press, combined with a man on man against England... we've eternally not been able to do it. Tonight that press won them the game, holland's attack was shocking.

England couldn't beat the press and had no one to pass too, Stones was shocking. The game was won the moment Holland didn't make a mistake in defence.


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It's wierd seeing the majority of players in the England team come from middle to bottom of the league... And no players abroad.

English players are too insulated in the prem.. and over paid for their ability Vs foreign imports.


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It's wierd seeing the majority of players in the England team come from middle to bottom of the league... And no players abroad.

English players are too insulated in the prem.. and over paid for their ability Vs foreign imports.


Sancho?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:09 pm 
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It's wierd seeing the majority of players in the England team come from middle to bottom of the league... And no players abroad.

English players are too insulated in the prem.. and over paid for their ability Vs foreign imports.



Besides last world cup, where ENgland lost in the group stage which allowed an amazingly easy run to the semi's by shear luck, England haven't ever been very good. As I said before it's a technique problem. Most English players look better with their technically superior foreign team mates who can control, pass and view the pitch better which sets up space and time to utilise England's athletes.

Today's match showed England's flaws, they are a team of athletes, very good ones and know their game style too, thanks to the improvements in England's age group development. However they need a few guys who can create space and time and have a brain to make the best use of them and a leader at the back.


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eldanielfire wrote:
nardol wrote:
It's wierd seeing the majority of players in the England team come from middle to bottom of the league... And no players abroad.

English players are too insulated in the prem.. and over paid for their ability Vs foreign imports.


Sancho?


No idea who that is but ok if so


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nardol wrote:
It's wierd seeing the majority of players in the England team come from middle to bottom of the league... And no players abroad.

English players are too insulated in the prem.. and over paid for their ability Vs foreign imports.



Besides last world cup, where ENgland lost in the group stage which allowed an amazingly easy run to the semi's by shear luck, England haven't ever been very good. As I said before it's a technique problem. Most English players look better with their technically superior foreign team mates who can control, pass and view the pitch better which sets up space and time to utilise England's athletes.

Today's match showed England's flaws, they are a team of athletes, very good ones and know their game style too, thanks to the improvements in England's age group development. However they need a few guys who can create space and time and have a brain to make the best use of them and a leader at the back.

No credit to Holland then?

No?

I thought Holland played like Saracens and it was a joy to watch. When will teams realise if you don't beat the press, no matter what assortment of players you have, when an opposition is that accurate, you are probably going to lose.

Be interesting to see how teams adapt. Holland are the Saracens of football at the moment (not popularity wise but in terms of defensive structure... very similar).


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nardol wrote:
It's wierd seeing the majority of players in the England team come from middle to bottom of the league... And no players abroad.

English players are too insulated in the prem.. and over paid for their ability Vs foreign imports.



Besides last world cup, where ENgland lost in the group stage which allowed an amazingly easy run to the semi's by shear luck, England haven't ever been very good. As I said before it's a technique problem. Most English players look better with their technically superior foreign team mates who can control, pass and view the pitch better which sets up space and time to utilise England's athletes.

Today's match showed England's flaws, they are a team of athletes, very good ones and know their game style too, thanks to the improvements in England's age group development. However they need a few guys who can create space and time and have a brain to make the best use of them and a leader at the back.

No credit to Holland then?

No?

I thought Holland played like Saracens and it was a joy to watch. When will teams realise if you don't beat the press, no matter what assortment of players you have, when an opposition is that accurate, you are probably going to lose.

Be interesting to see how teams adapt. Holland are the Saracens of football at the moment (not popularity wise but in terms of defensive structure... very similar).


I'm not taking credit away from Holland who are great and always develop great players, I just was discussing my frustrations with England, as i's the same problems as has been for years now. In fact Holland specifically have the skills and technical elements I wish were in england, your point on their accuracy is exactly what England lack, because that's why they don't get the space and time for quality chances or to expose a half yard out of place defender.


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nardol wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
nardol wrote:
It's wierd seeing the majority of players in the England team come from middle to bottom of the league... And no players abroad.

English players are too insulated in the prem.. and over paid for their ability Vs foreign imports.


Sancho?


No idea who that is but ok if so


Bale, Ramsey, Matondo


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Hopefully next season England will field Foden and Winks. They'd be much better than the pathetic midfield we had just now.


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Hopefully next season England will field Foden and Winks. They'd be much better than the pathetic midfield we had just now.



We'll see. Foden barely plays elite football yet, let's not assume he'll be the saviour of England's international side yet.


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eldanielfire wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
Hopefully next season England will field Foden and Winks. They'd be much better than the pathetic midfield we had just now.



We'll see. Foden barely plays elite football yet, let's not assume he'll be the saviour of England's international side yet.


He's still better than Delph.


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He was offside, it was tight but VAR got it right.


For me that was misuse of VAR because it was so tight. The decision was not CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY wrong.

The technology is also not yet good enough to allow very close offsides to be determined to a forensic level (where the player is at the exact moment the ball leaves the passers foot) - I think there needs to be a hawkeye-esque grey area defined within the technology where on-field call stands to reflect the uncertainty.

Or better still can it completely for offsides and leave it solely for foul play


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:39 am 
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Nah, VAR is there to get decisions right, it did in both cases last night and it is here to stay.

If anything I thought it should have been used more (for the Chilwell foul on Bergwuin)


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