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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:55 pm 
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For NZ:

8 Wayne Shelford
7 Kel Tremain
6 Mark Shaw
5 Colin Meads
4 Brad Thorn
3 Keith Murdoch
2 Sean Fitzpatrick
1 Kevin Skinner

Indestructible. :thumbup:

And you know it's getting pretty ugly up front when there's no room for Frank Oliver, Jamie Joseph, Troy Falvell, Kevin Eveleigh, Alex Wylie, or John Ashworth, or Richard Loe...


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No Martin Johnson? No early 90's England flankers? Not enough saffers! List is irrelevant.


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No Martin Johnson? No early 90's England flankers? Not enough saffers! List is irrelevant.


That's NZ's pick. You have to do your own Mr Saes


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Lacrobat wrote:
For NZ:

8 Wayne Shelford
7 Kel Tremain
6 Mark Shaw
5 Colin Meads
4 Brad Thorn
3 Keith Murdoch
2 Sean Fitzpatrick
1 Kevin Skinner



I got scared reading this. :shock:


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Frodder wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
No Martin Johnson? No early 90's England flankers? Not enough saffers! List is irrelevant.


That's NZ's pick. You have to do your own Mr Saes

Not sure it quite measures up to the AB selection, but quite scary none the less
8 Dean Richards
7 Peter Winterbottom
6 Mike Teague
5 Wade Dooley
4 Martin Johnson
3 Julian White
2 Graham Dawe
1 Stack Stevens


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Canada:

1. Snow
2. Svoboda
3. Evans
4. Hadley
5. Cudmore
6. Charron
7. Baugh
8. Ennis

Mackinnon and James are in the picture as well.


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In my 20 or so years of watching Irish rugby:

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Furlong
4. Brennan
5. POC
6. Ferris
7. Jonny O’Connor
8. Big Vic


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Jim Lahey wrote:
In my 20 or so years of watching Irish rugby:

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Furlong
4. Brennan
5. POC
6. Ferris
7. Jonny O’Connor
8. Big Vic

Honourable mention to Donnacha Ryan, but those two are a bit madder than him. Maybe Fez to 7 and Ryan to 6?


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Jim Lahey wrote:
In my 20 or so years of watching Irish rugby:

1. Healy
2. Flannery
3. Furlong
4. Brennan
5. Ryan
6. Ferris
7. SOB
8. Best

Changes I'd make.


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Neil Best is first pick for Ireland.


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Nolanator wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:
In my 20 or so years of watching Irish rugby:

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Furlong
4. Brennan
5. POC
6. Ferris
7. Jonny O’Connor
8. Big Vic

Honourable mention to Donnacha Ryan, but those two are a bit madder than him. Maybe Fez to 7 and Ryan to 6?

Any hard man Irish 8 without Willie Duggan, or "Twinkle-toes" Clohessy doesn't really count.


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SOB would knock the shit out of any backrow bar Ferris.
Neil Best is a lunatic so needs to be considered.
Flannery was always a bit of a knack headcase on the field so he gets ahead of Best.


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Floppykid wrote:
SOB would knock the shit out of any backrow bar Ferris.
Neil Best is a lunatic so needs to be considered.
Flannery was always a bit of a knack headcase on the field so he gets ahead of Best.


Yep. Rory isn’t a hard man. More of a modern player.
Wood would be in with a shout also.


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Flametop wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
SOB would knock the shit out of any backrow bar Ferris.
Neil Best is a lunatic so needs to be considered.
Flannery was always a bit of a knack headcase on the field so he gets ahead of Best.


Yep. Rory isn’t a hard man. More of a modern player.
Wood would be in with a shout also.


GTFO.
Rory was a proper hard kunt. Maybe not in a psychotic way but hard as f**k.
Forgot about Neil Best. Him to 6 and Fez to 8. Keep O’Connor in as he was a proper hard bastard.


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camroc1 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:
In my 20 or so years of watching Irish rugby:

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Furlong
4. Brennan
5. POC
6. Ferris
7. Jonny O’Connor
8. Big Vic

Honourable mention to Donnacha Ryan, but those two are a bit madder than him. Maybe Fez to 7 and Ryan to 6?

Any hard man Irish 8 without Willie Duggan, or "Twinkle-toes" Clohessy doesn't really count.

No mention of Moss Keane?


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Jim Lahey wrote:
Flametop wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
SOB would knock the shit out of any backrow bar Ferris.
Neil Best is a lunatic so needs to be considered.
Flannery was always a bit of a knack headcase on the field so he gets ahead of Best.


Yep. Rory isn’t a hard man. More of a modern player.
Wood would be in with a shout also.


GTFO.
Rory was a proper hard kunt. Maybe not in a psychotic way but hard as f**k.
Forgot about Neil Best. Him to 6 and Fez to 8. Keep O’Connor in as he was a proper hard bastard.


Not saying he was soft but he wasn’t a “hard bastard” enforcer type.


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Playing on with a broken arm is fairly hard, IMO. I suppose it needs to be clarified if this team is the slightly unhinged hard man XV.


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Nolanator wrote:
Playing on with a broken arm is fairly hard, IMO. I suppose it needs to be clarified if this team is the slightly unhinged hard man XV.


Playing with a broken arm isn’t hard, it’s stupid and arrogant.


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Nolanator wrote:
Playing on with a broken arm is fairly hard, IMO. I suppose it needs to be clarified if this team is the slightly unhinged hard man XV.


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That broken arm of Meads will doubtless become a legend in South Africa for it is an incredible fact that he played for 74 minutes with it.

He had not really wanted to. The injury occurred after 6 minutes, six minutes of the ugliest and roughest rugby seen on the tour to date. Meads rose from a ruck and was in obvious pain.

He carried on but 20 minutes later left to go to the sideline for medical advice.

He was told that he was sufficiently fit to play on. The arm was bandaged and Meads returned to play one of his most vigorous matches.


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McLean is convinced that Meads’ arm was kicked deliberately and with intent to cause damage, while he was lying trapped on the ground. He was in obvious pain after the incident but kept on playing; at one stage he told Lochore he wants to leave the field. When, however, being told by the medical doctor on the sideline that it was merely a bruise he kept on playing not prepared to let his team down for such a trivial injury.


Sounds like quite a match...

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The first 10 minutes of this contest was like a full-scale war; Eastern Transvaal apparently took Danie Craven's remark that the provincial teams should soften up the AB seriously and the match started off as a near all-out brawl...

There was a stage in the opening phases of this match when some of us believed the game would be abandoned...

The Eastern Transvaal forwards went to the task like gladiators intent on the kill.

Alan Smith was knocked unconscious at one stage while Alan Sutherland's emerged from a ruck with a cracked nose; there were also several late tackles; blatant obstruction; barging and all sorts of other illegalities


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After the game the AB's had 12 players injured and unable to play in the next two matches.
:uhoh:

Then it was on to the next one:

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There was astonishment in the press box when the non-playing members of the All Black side were ushered to some seats on the embankment near the southern touchline.

They were left there in the middle of the crowd. They were pelted with oranges during the game and suffered insults as their comrades on the field demolished Transvaal.


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Saffa one of players I've seen, probably the most fun pack to do.
1. Beast
2. BDP (no brainer)
3. Up for debate
4. Bakkies
5. Etzebeth
6. Burger
7. Up for debate
8. Up for debate


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Floppykid wrote:
Saffa one of players I've seen, probably the most fun pack to do.
1. Beast
2. BDP (no brainer)
3. Up for debate
4. Bakkies
5. Etzebeth
6. Burger
7. Up for debate
8. Up for debate


You really nailed it. :thumbup:


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Floppykid wrote:
Saffa one of players I've seen, probably the most fun pack to do.
1. Beast
2. BDP (no brainer)
3. Up for debate
4. Bakkies
5. Etzebeth
6. Burger
7. Up for debate
8. Up for debate


Krige's thuggery at Twickers 02 should see him involved. Wasn't he the captain when they did all those retarded pre-world cup rituals in 03? He'd have to have been pretty hard/psychotic to allow the coaches to get away with that.
This hit also is pretty hard/crazy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivkOpi249zw

Thor at 8, proper hard kunt.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Saffa one of players I've seen, probably the most fun pack to do.
1. Beast
2. BDP (no brainer)
3. Up for debate
4. Bakkies
5. Etzebeth
6. Burger
7. Up for debate
8. Up for debate


You really nailed it. :thumbup:

I'm trying to engender debate.


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SaintK wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:
In my 20 or so years of watching Irish rugby:

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Furlong
4. Brennan
5. POC
6. Ferris
7. Jonny O’Connor
8. Big Vic

Honourable mention to Donnacha Ryan, but those two are a bit madder than him. Maybe Fez to 7 and Ryan to 6?

Any hard man Irish 8 without Willie Duggan, or "Twinkle-toes" Clohessy doesn't really count.

No mention of Moss Keane?

Mossie was good, but Duggan was the hard bastard you'd want in the trenches of that 70's team.


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Floppykid wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Saffa one of players I've seen, probably the most fun pack to do.
1. Beast
2. BDP (no brainer)
3. Up for debate
4. Bakkies
5. Etzebeth
6. Burger
7. Up for debate
8. Up for debate


You really nailed it. :thumbup:

I'm trying to engender debate.


The Saffers are like an all you can eat buffet for tin Rend when you are on lockdown for three months.


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Floppykid wrote:
SOB would knock the shit out of any backrow bar Ferris.
Neil Best is a lunatic so needs to be considered.
Flannery was always a bit of a knack headcase on the field so he gets ahead of Best.


Brennan out. Remember getting his face punched off by some Ozzie? Rules him out. I'd have poc over him.

Neil best defo in.


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my 2 cents wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
SOB would knock the shit out of any backrow bar Ferris.
Neil Best is a lunatic so needs to be considered.
Flannery was always a bit of a knack headcase on the field so he gets ahead of Best.


Brennan out. Remember getting his face punched off by some Ozzie? Rules him out. I'd have poc over him.

Neil best defo in.


Kefu. He had his arms held behind his back by two Aussie team mates and the rest of the powder puff Ireland team didn’t back him up.


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my 2 cents wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
SOB would knock the shit out of any backrow bar Ferris.
Neil Best is a lunatic so needs to be considered.
Flannery was always a bit of a knack headcase on the field so he gets ahead of Best.


Brennan out. Remember getting his face punched off by some Ozzie? Rules him out. I'd have poc over him.

Neil best defo in.

In fairness it took three Ockers to take on Trev : one each to hold him by the arms, and the third to King hit him whilst he couldn't defend himself. Utterly cowardly.


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camroc1 wrote:
my 2 cents wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
SOB would knock the shit out of any backrow bar Ferris.
Neil Best is a lunatic so needs to be considered.
Flannery was always a bit of a knack headcase on the field so he gets ahead of Best.


Brennan out. Remember getting his face punched off by some Ozzie? Rules him out. I'd have poc over him.

Neil best defo in.

In fairness it took three Ockers to take on Trev : one each to hold him by the arms, and the third to King hit him whilst he couldn't defend himself. Utterly cowardly.


Poor Trev. :|


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Canada:

1. Snow
2. Svoboda
3. Evans
4. Hadley
5. Cudmore
6. Charron
7. Baugh
8. Ennis

Mackinnon and James are in the picture as well.

Al Charron played for absolutely ages.

What happened to him after 2003 RWC?

Wasn't there also a top class canada backrower in the 90s who played for Bath?


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Wendigo7 wrote:
OttawaKat wrote:
Canada:

1. Snow
2. Svoboda
3. Evans
4. Hadley
5. Cudmore
6. Charron
7. Baugh
8. Ennis

Mackinnon and James are in the picture as well.

Al Charron played for absolutely ages.

What happened to him after 2003 RWC?

Wasn't there also a top class canada backrower in the 90s who played for Bath?


Al got knocked out against Tonga in that WC and it was the end of his Canada career. I think now he has some business interests and also does PR type work for Rugby Canada. I don't think he is involved with rugby in a hands on capacity.

Not sure who the Bath player might be. Dan Lyle who was captain of the Eagles played there I believe.


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camroc1 wrote:
my 2 cents wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
SOB would knock the shit out of any backrow bar Ferris.
Neil Best is a lunatic so needs to be considered.
Flannery was always a bit of a knack headcase on the field so he gets ahead of Best.


Brennan out. Remember getting his face punched off by some Ozzie? Rules him out. I'd have poc over him.

Neil best defo in.

In fairness it took three Ockers to take on Trev : one each to hold him by the arms, and the third to King hit him whilst he couldn't defend himself. Utterly cowardly.


Shay Deering at 7. As hard as nails, and he’d take your life in the blink of an eye. Not dirty, but you only crossed him once. Phil O’Callaghan was fairly dangerous when he lost the plot, and was built like a block shithouse.

PS I fully agree with Cammy about Duggan. None of the Irish 8s since would get anywhere near him.


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SaintK wrote:
Frodder wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
No Martin Johnson? No early 90's England flankers? Not enough saffers! List is irrelevant.


That's NZ's pick. You have to do your own Mr Saes

Not sure it quite measures up to the AB selection, but quite scary none the less
8 Dean Richards
7 Peter Winterbottom
6 Mike Teague
5 Wade Dooley
4 Martin Johnson
3 Julian White
2 Graham Dawe
1 Stack Stevens


No Danny Grewcock?


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Floppykid wrote:
Saffa one of players I've seen, probably the most fun pack to do.
1. Beast
2. BDP (no brainer)
3. Up for debate
4. Bakkies
5. Etzebeth
6. Burger
7. Up for debate
8. Up for debate


Beast is way too nice for this pack, they’ve had some real baby eaters at prop over the years. I’m thinking Jaap “back-kicking” Becker to start with


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Floppykid wrote:
Saffa one of players I've seen, probably the most fun pack to do.
1. Beast
2. BDP (no brainer)
3. Up for debate
4. Bakkies
5. Etzebeth
6. Burger
7. Up for debate
8. Up for debate


Beast is way too nice for this pack, they’ve had some real baby eaters at prop over the years. I’m thinking Jaap “back-kicking” Becker to start with


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1. Charlie Falkner
2. Bobby Windsor/Chris Jones
3. Graham Price
4. Geoff Wheel
5. Brian Thomas
6. Terry Cobner
7. Paul Ringer
8. Jeff Squire

We can play Jack Matthews out of position if need be.

In the modern era, we’ve been soft as shite.


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henry wrote:
1. Charlie Falkner
2. Bobby Windsor/Chris Jones
3. Graham Price
4. Geoff Wheel
5. Brian Thomas
6. Terry Cobner
7. Paul Ringer
8. Jeff Squire

We can play Jack Matthews out of position if need be.

In the modern era, we’ve been soft as shite.

No room for Mervyn Davies at 8 ? Not only a hard as nails bastard, but a talented one as well.


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Thuggery and hard bastard are two very different, often opposite, things.

It's why I have no problem putting McCaw in a list like this.


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camroc1 wrote:
henry wrote:
1. Charlie Falkner
2. Bobby Windsor/Chris Jones
3. Graham Price
4. Geoff Wheel
5. Brian Thomas
6. Terry Cobner
7. Paul Ringer
8. Jeff Squire

We can play Jack Matthews out of position if need be.

In the modern era, we’ve been soft as shite.

No room for Mervyn Davies at 8 ? Not only a hard as nails bastard, but a talented one as well.


Fine call but too good at actual rugby.


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Ireland:

Peter Clohessy
Karl Mullen
Tadhg Furlong
Willie John McBride
Paul O'Connell
Neil Best
Johnny O'Connor
Willie Duggan

That's prob the toughest pack Ireland could put out.


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