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Common consolidated corporate tax bands

The consolidated part is probably a good idea (one reporting structure throughout the bloc)

The 'common' part is essentially about allowing big countries claim that corporate profits should be taxed by them ..... on the basis that their markets account for most sales ..... by google, Apple or whoever.

Estimates are that 1.5% of Irish GDP will be essentially commandeered by the Eu should this measure ever be allowed
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Ah, my guess wasn't far wrong.

The continued failure of the large European countries to produce a single decent tech company is a big worry. Outside of the Nordics and Balts, almost nobody in Europe is doing well in the tech sector.
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anonymous_joe wrote:Ah, my guess wasn't far wrong.

The continued failure of the large European countries to produce a single decent tech company is a big worry. Outside of the Nordics and Balts, almost nobody in Europe is doing well in the tech sector.
Not quite true

Ireland (ok we're not large!) - fleetmatics, stripe
UK - shazam, justeat, transferwise
Germany - rocket internet

In France Sigfox is going to be huge

You are correct however in that an uber or airbnb will not come out of Europe due to the fact that Eu legislators would never countenance wholesale disruption of an entire industry ..... the French unions alone have stymied uber and I'm sure the commission will soon find a way to tax airbnb out of existence on the continent
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I didn't include us because any indigenous success is in spite of the country not because of it.

Also, changing marketplaces doesn't always need to be disruptive. France, Italy, Britain and Germany are technological leaders and engineering powerhouses. Hell, the Brits list of computing inventions is insane. Serious lack of follow up though.
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rfurlong wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:Ah, my guess wasn't far wrong.

The continued failure of the large European countries to produce a single decent tech company is a big worry. Outside of the Nordics and Balts, almost nobody in Europe is doing well in the tech sector.
Not quite true

Ireland (ok we're not large!) - fleetmatics, stripe
UK - shazam, justeat, transferwise
Germany - rocket internet

In France Sigfox is going to be huge

You are correct however in that an uber or airbnb will not come out of Europe due to the fact that Eu legislators would never countenance wholesale disruption of an entire industry ..... the French unions alone have stymied uber and I'm sure the commission will soon find a way to tax airbnb out of existence on the continent

Don't forget Movidius & Brite:Bill
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Claire Byrne on now.

Paul Williams must be in the game. The criminals must love the way he glamorises them.
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RTS's best comedy Claire Byrne Live - open mic for every fool who wants to spout any ignorance bollox that takes their fancy
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I'm a national politician :lol:
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Duff Paddy wrote:I'm a national politician :lol:
Who is she?
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Electoral system needs to be changed though. Follow the German model. Each voter gets two votes: A vote for local politician and a vote for the political party of choice. Let the local politican look after local issues and let the political party of choice winner look after the national interest.
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iarmhiman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:I'm a national politician :lol:
Who is she?
Did you not see the documentary about her winning the trinity senate seat? Wind up the senate immediately.
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Duff Paddy wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:I'm a national politician :lol:
Who is she?
Did you not see the documentary about her winning the trinity senate seat? Wind up the senate immediately.
Found her. Know nothing about her though:
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iarmhiman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:I'm a national politician :lol:
Who is she?
Did you not see the documentary about her winning the trinity senate seat? Wind up the senate immediately.
Found her. Know nothing about her though:
It's all part of the modern narrative that working class people are determined to seize power no matter how thick and uneducated they are
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Duff Paddy wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:I'm a national politician :lol:
Who is she?
Did you not see the documentary about her winning the trinity senate seat? Wind up the senate immediately.
Found her. Know nothing about her though:
It's all part of the modern narrative that working class people are determined to seize power no matter how thick and uneducated they are
It's like a moral quota system.
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Trinners SU president at age 30. Jaysus.
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Paul Williams must be in the game. The criminals must love the way he glamorises them.
I've met him, in the context of a Journo sent to spend time with the Pro's.

Past tense.

My personal opinion is that he was a nice guy but totally naive in our context: ie yes, of course I'd have shot him? why not? What don't you understand?

He was like a kid in a sweetshop with all the "toys". Maybe he just enjoyed the encounter for what it was.

Long time ago - '90s. No idea what he's like now, don't read the rag he writes for.

No longer in (Green) uniform so don't care either.

Guess He's writing what sells, sad IMHO, but good luck to him.
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Passenger figures in for November from DUB.

Passenger numbers in November were up 9% to just over two million, due to growth in almost all sectors of the business. European traffic, which accounted for almost half the passengers during the month, was up 9% to almost 916,000 while British traffic increased by 8% to more than 833,000. Transatlantic traffic was up 18% to almost 194,000 in November, while traffic to other destinations in Africa and the Middle East declined by just over 54,000.



It will be the best year ever for DUB, with 27m passengers passing through the airport by 17.12, and still another 12 high number days to go.

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-ne ... first-time
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See they got planning permission to bulldoze Apollo house

Love the optics: NAMA would rather destroy the building then let the scumbags take it over :lol:

Stick that in your hemp pipe and smoke it leftie loons
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That building has no insurance - the first few compensation claims will be interesting
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Gareth O'Callaghan DJ been caught by the Taxman for nearly €110k but to be fair he has back 17 cents so far :lol:
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Duff Paddy wrote:That building has no insurance - the first few compensation claims will be interesting
It now has a PP, so I'm sure Brendan Ogle will relish being personally sued for holding up the development.
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Couple of quiet pints tonight lads. The agenda for discussion will be:
1. Keeping the hoi polloi in their place
2. Why Boxy supports Munster
3. AOB
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gokwe wrote:
Paul Williams must be in the game. The criminals must love the way he glamorises them.
I've met him, in the context of a Journo sent to spend time with the Pro's.

Past tense.

My personal opinion is that he was a nice guy but totally naive in our context: ie yes, of course I'd have shot him? why not? What don't you understand?

He was like a kid in a sweetshop with all the "toys". Maybe he just enjoyed the encounter for what it was.

Long time ago - '90s. No idea what he's like now, don't read the rag he writes for.

No longer in (Green) uniform so don't care either.

Guess He's writing what sells, sad IMHO, but good luck to him.
Were you a Ranger?

'Consulting' now?
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Duff Paddy wrote:Couple of quiet pints tonight lads. The agenda for discussion will be:
1. Keeping the hoi polloi in their place
2. Why Boxy supports Munster
3. AOB

Lame.
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rfurlong wrote:Common consolidated corporate tax bands

The consolidated part is probably a good idea (one reporting structure throughout the bloc)

The 'common' part is essentially about allowing big countries claim that corporate profits should be taxed by them ..... on the basis that their markets account for most sales ..... by google, Apple or whoever.

Estimates are that 1.5% of Irish GDP will be essentially commandeered by the Eu should this measure ever be allowed
It's tax base. Effectively it will force companies to record profits where the sales have occurred. Sensible but highly damaging for us so fudge the EU.
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epaddy wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Common consolidated corporate tax bands

The consolidated part is probably a good idea (one reporting structure throughout the bloc)

The 'common' part is essentially about allowing big countries claim that corporate profits should be taxed by them ..... on the basis that their markets account for most sales ..... by google, Apple or whoever.

Estimates are that 1.5% of Irish GDP will be essentially commandeered by the Eu should this measure ever be allowed
It's tax base. Effectively it will force companies to record profits where the sales have occurred. Sensible but highly damaging for us so f**k the EU.
That's incredibly stupid. So if I have a factory in Ireland, do all the R&D in Ireland, have 000's of workers in Ireland, develop the product here but sell it in Swaziland then the profits on the Swaziland sales should be taxed there? It's truly nuts.
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rfurlong wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:Mick Wallace declared bankrupt.
They changed the law re TD's and bankruptcy recently enough, didn't they?
Our very own Donald trump ..... welching on taxpayers and stiffing creditors, yet appealling to hordes of simpletons
Surely he has to pay some of his TD wage back to his creditors?
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Luckycharmer wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:Mick Wallace declared bankrupt.
They changed the law re TD's and bankruptcy recently enough, didn't they?
Our very own Donald trump ..... welching on taxpayers and stiffing creditors, yet appealling to hordes of simpletons
Surely he has to pay some of his TD wage back to his creditors?
Maybe he'll just sit in a pub in Wales and hide from them.
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Luckycharmer wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:Mick Wallace declared bankrupt.
They changed the law re TD's and bankruptcy recently enough, didn't they?
Our very own Donald trump ..... welching on taxpayers and stiffing creditors, yet appealling to hordes of simpletons
Surely he has to pay some of his TD wage back to his creditors?
he is giving half his TD's €90k salary to the revenue, to pay off the €1.4m in VAT he swindled from Irish taxpayers

what is less reported is that he's taking an unvouched and untaxed €20k annual 'leaders' allowance and keeping it in its entirety ..... meaning that he's now better off AFTER offering up half his before tax salary.

He still owns his own house while owing nearly €3m to private creditors ...... and he expects to keep that house. In fact he will make a public spectacle of his bankruptcy and we'll probably see the new land league crowd getting involved.

This is a guy who 'sold' apartments to his sons and his vineyard to his brother (when the writing was on the wall re: his own solvency)

But oh no ....... it's ACC who are the bad guys here so it is :lol:
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:Mick Wallace declared bankrupt.
They changed the law re TD's and bankruptcy recently enough, didn't they?
Our very own Donald trump ..... welching on taxpayers and stiffing creditors, yet appealling to hordes of simpletons
Surely he has to pay some of his TD wage back to his creditors?
Maybe he'll just sit in a pub in Wales and hide from them.
Bankruptcy was the only option for Ivan Yates given his debts - the fact he chose the UK is more of a reflection on the archaic laws that pertained here at the time.

Mick Wallace refused to accept that he was inevitably going to be declared bankrupt (how else was he going to repay millions?) and rather than get on with it, he's been intent on dragging it through the courts and pretending that Cerberus are out to get him.

If there is any honour to be found in bankruptcy, its more likely to be in the Yates route than the Wallace one.
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:lol:
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Wallace is a complete charlatan
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Just our of interest I looked for stats on number of real homeless ie rough sleepers. There are so many varities of homeless that its hard to tell what's what. You have recent immigrants looking for a house, those who are strategically homeless and short term homeless.

The actual numbers of rough sleepers per latest stats was 102.(Source: http://www.homelessdublin.ie/homeless-figures) Not acceptable but once again probably lots of reasons.
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rfurlong wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:Mick Wallace declared bankrupt.
They changed the law re TD's and bankruptcy recently enough, didn't they?
Our very own Donald trump ..... welching on taxpayers and stiffing creditors, yet appealling to hordes of simpletons
Surely he has to pay some of his TD wage back to his creditors?
he is giving half his TD's €90k salary to the revenue, to pay off the €1.4m in VAT he swindled from Irish taxpayers

what is less reported is that he's taking an unvouched and untaxed €20k annual 'leaders' allowance and keeping it in its entirety ..... meaning that he's now better off AFTER offering up half his before tax salary.

He still owns his own house while owing nearly €3m to private creditors ...... and he expects to keep that house. In fact he will make a public spectacle of his bankruptcy and we'll probably see the new land league crowd getting involved.

This is a guy who 'sold' apartments to his sons and his vineyard to his brother (when the writing was on the wall re: his own solvency)

But oh no ....... it's ACC who are the bad guys here so it is :lol:
Doesn't he also own a fair slice of Torino FC and a few pads in the Turin/Milan area ?
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rfurlong wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:Mick Wallace declared bankrupt.
They changed the law re TD's and bankruptcy recently enough, didn't they?
Our very own Donald trump ..... welching on taxpayers and stiffing creditors, yet appealling to hordes of simpletons
Surely he has to pay some of his TD wage back to his creditors?
he is giving half his TD's €90k salary to the revenue, to pay off the €1.4m in VAT he swindled from Irish taxpayers

what is less reported is that he's taking an unvouched and untaxed €20k annual 'leaders' allowance and keeping it in its entirety ..... meaning that he's now better off AFTER offering up half his before tax salary.

He still owns his own house while owing nearly €3m to private creditors ...... and he expects to keep that house. In fact he will make a public spectacle of his bankruptcy and we'll probably see the new land league crowd getting involved.

This is a guy who 'sold' apartments to his sons and his vineyard to his brother (when the writing was on the wall re: his own solvency)

But oh no ....... it's ACC who are the bad guys here so it is :lol:
Just did a judgement search on him €19 million to ACC and €2 million to Promotoria (Aran) ltd- cerebus. Sure they can get a garnishee order against his TD wages.
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Liathroidigloine wrote:Just our of interest I looked for stats on number of real homeless ie rough sleepers. There are so many varities of homeless that its hard to tell what's what. You have recent immigrants looking for a house, those who are strategically homeless and short term homeless.

The actual numbers of rough sleepers per latest stats was 102.(Source: http://www.homelessdublin.ie/homeless-figures) Not acceptable but once again probably lots of reasons.
And the actual numbers of available beds for rough sleepers in Dublin City Council is probably close to twice that number?

I've heard that one of the problems is that the chaotic nature of many users of these beds (drugs, alcohol, mental health issues etc) makes it highly unlikely that a homeless mother and her young child for example, would ever want to set foot inside a hostel. Coupled with that is the fact that many of the homeless who are struggling with dependency or psychological issues, just prefer to remain outside the hostel system to begin with.

I think the idea of a drug (and alcohol) free hostel, which was fanatically enforced (think Luas Red Line Security operation) would take many of the less chaotic people off the streets .... albeit at the expense of the addicts.

Ultimately, I dont think the number of beds is the real issue ..... rather the safety of those beds.

To me that looks like we need to categorise and intervene more directly in certain categories of homelessness ...... i.e. target our efforts at those that want most to be helped and figure out some other way of better managing the really hopeless cases. We just seem to be throwing money at the problem (more beds) instead of finding pathways out of the problem (segregating different forms of homelessness and targeting specific measures at each cohort)
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epaddy wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Couple of quiet pints tonight lads. The agenda for discussion will be:
1. Keeping the hoi polloi in their place
2. Why Boxy supports Munster
3. AOB

Lame.
Have you learnt to handle your drink yet kid
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rfurlong wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:Just our of interest I looked for stats on number of real homeless ie rough sleepers. There are so many varities of homeless that its hard to tell what's what. You have recent immigrants looking for a house, those who are strategically homeless and short term homeless.

The actual numbers of rough sleepers per latest stats was 102.(Source: http://www.homelessdublin.ie/homeless-figures) Not acceptable but once again probably lots of reasons.
And the actual numbers of available beds for rough sleepers in Dublin City Council is probably close to twice that number?

I've heard that one of the problems is that the chaotic nature of many users of these beds (drugs, alcohol, mental health issues etc) makes it highly unlikely that a homeless mother and her young child for example, would ever want to set foot inside a hostel. Coupled with that is the fact that many of the homeless who are struggling with dependency or psychological issues, just prefer to remain outside the hostel system to begin with.

I think the idea of a drug (and alcohol) free hostel, which was fanatically enforced (think Luas Red Line Security operation) would take many of the less chaotic people off the streets .... albeit at the expense of the addicts.

Ultimately, I dont think the number of beds is the real issue ..... rather the safety of those beds.

To me that looks like we need to categorise and intervene more directly in certain categories of homelessness ...... i.e. target our efforts at those that want most to be helped and figure out some other way of better managing the really hopeless cases. We just seem to be throwing money at the problem (more beds) instead of finding pathways out of the problem (segregating different forms of homelessness and targeting specific measures at each cohort)
I get the feeling they don't actually want a solution- there are so many people who have made a career out of this, if the gravy train dried up they'd be screwed
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Liathroidigloine wrote:Just our of interest I looked for stats on number of real homeless ie rough sleepers. There are so many varities of homeless that its hard to tell what's what. You have recent immigrants looking for a house, those who are strategically homeless and short term homeless.

The actual numbers of rough sleepers per latest stats was 102.(Source: http://www.homelessdublin.ie/homeless-figures) Not acceptable but once again probably lots of reasons.
Glen Hansard? was out singing for the homeless,maybe Pakistani looking.
Happy enough bunch but really looked in a bad way.
I see it was at Appollo hse.
Also the girl assaulted in Maynooth they are now saying it was a single blow and very likely a fall.
Sorry if I contributed to a little hysteria by posting on that.
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lorcanoworms wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:Just our of interest I looked for stats on number of real homeless ie rough sleepers. There are so many varities of homeless that its hard to tell what's what. You have recent immigrants looking for a house, those who are strategically homeless and short term homeless.

The actual numbers of rough sleepers per latest stats was 102.(Source: http://www.homelessdublin.ie/homeless-figures) Not acceptable but once again probably lots of reasons.
Glen Hansard? was out singing for the homeless,maybe Pakistani looking.
Happy enough bunch but really looked in a bad way.
I see it was at Appollo hse.
Also the girl assaulted in Maynooth they are now saying it was a single blow and very likely a fall.
Sorry if I contributed to a little hysteria by posting on that.
Thats hardly the same Glen Hansard who's a Director of Plateau Records Limited. Interesting Accounts for a man of the people.
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