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So other than dara calleary



Who are ministerial options then? Willie odea?

Eamonn ocuiv?? Norma foley... Oh wait..
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In fairness to Europe, at least there is a logic to the banks being issued.

Unlike the Trump administrations ban and some the State by State restrictions in the US.

https://www.traveloffpath.com/u-s-reope ... d-to-know/

I'm quite hopeful that Europe issuing restrictions will focus the minds in some places though I won't hold my breath.
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Duff Paddy wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
nardol wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
nardol wrote:The north and west: Screw you capitalist pigs, we are electing shinners and a bunch of nutcases so take that!


The north and west: what what whaaaaaaaaat, you are not giving us any ministerial positions!????


Fúck em
You really don't get it, do you?
Explain it to me?

The likes of rays, Wynn, ming, sf Donegal get elected from the region

The electorate of those regions need to be aware of the fact that that's fine if they do so but they may dream on about getting any sweets
Firstly, the reason those get elected is because people feel disconnected from the centre of power in Dublin. Secondly, I could post a greater list of gobshites from Dublin than that. Donegal was solid FF for decades but is now SF. There's a reason for that and it's only going to get worse following this.
Is the reason that they’re f**king idiots?
I'd take any of the rural TD's over the scum that is elected in Dublin. Dessie Ellis, a man who is allegedly responsible for the death of 50 people. Who are the stupid ones?
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Sf gonna sf
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I agree that all Constituencies elect idiots but lets not be throwing stones when Gerry Adams was elected in Louth.
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nardol wrote:So other than dara calleary



Who are ministerial options then? Willie odea?

Eamonn ocuiv?? Norma foley... Oh wait..
Norma Foley is the strangest ever, a first time TD from Kerry, when you already have 3 ministers coming from Cork so not regional basis so the only logical grounds for her inclusion was gender far as I can see.....
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Defo gender and the women's council are still unhappy. See it's only a few days a week school in Scotland from return in August. Blended learning as the lazy bastard teachers are calling it.
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Foley is to break the 2 seat waste of the HealyRaes. Thickboy Danny is vulnerable in my opinion.
MHR/1ff/1fg/1sf is guaranteed in that constituency in my opinion. It the final seat that’s in play. If she can get another ff next time around.

The biggest issue outside the capital is not just sf. It’s all the wasted votes electing 19 worthless independents. Normally that was the excess vote that decided 2ff/1fg or viceversa
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Who are the stupid ones?
Anyone who votes SF
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Duff Paddy wrote:
Who are the stupid ones?
Anyone who votes SF
Lots more than that. Any of the PBP scum (nearly all Dubs)
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Lazy Couch potato wrote:Foley is to break the 2 seat waste of the HealyRaes. Thickboy Danny is vulnerable in my opinion.
MHR/1ff/1fg/1sf is guaranteed in that constituency in my opinion. It the final seat that’s in play. If she can get another ff next time around.

The biggest issue outside the capital is not just sf. It’s all the wasted votes electing 19 worthless independents. Normally that was the excess vote that decided 2ff/1fg or viceversa
It's definitely a political play to break the Healy-Rae stranglehold (which is laudable) but it doesn't mask her lack of ability (admittedly based not on my opinion but those of my family and friends still in Kerry). And, honestly, I do know some of the individuals coming up behind her in Kerry FF and it is depressing to think they could be put on the ticket for the next election.

As galling as it is to admit for a hoary old anti-SF'er like myself, Pa Daly (who I do know a bit personally, in the interests of disclosure) is by far the smartest and most competent of the Kerry TDs for this sitting.
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You're going to have that Zappa. Some of the FG candidates that I would know are deeply uninspiring individuals who just inherited machines from mentors or family members. Theur family members in turn were deeply uninspiring all the way back to one person once who was half decent
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She looks like Frida Kahlo or yer wan out of dodgeball.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:She looks like Frida Kahlo or yer wan out of dodgeball.
Is that Frida before or after she was run over by a bus.
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Martin had the Hobson’s choice of sticking two fingers up to one of:

1/ Wimmin/Kerry
2/ A political chameleon in the form of Donnelly
3/ Calleary/the Whesht

In the face of this, he chose not to piss off Stephen jaysis Donnelly?

Very strange indeed.

Was he thinking he needs to fend off a leadership challenge from Calleary in 2.5 yrs time? Cos all he’s done now is guarantee that challenge ......
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Does he actually think people like Donnelly?
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EverReady wrote:Does he actually think people like Donnelly?
Maybe they shared an 'experience' or something...

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rfurlong wrote:Martin had the Hobson’s choice of sticking two fingers up to one of:

1/ Wimmin/Kerry
2/ A political chameleon in the form of Donnelly
3/ Calleary/the Whesht

In the face of this, he chose not to piss off Stephen jaysis Donnelly?

Very strange indeed.

Was he thinking he needs to fend off a leadership challenge from Calleary in 2.5 yrs time? Cos all he’s done now is guarantee that challenge ......
I think he plans to step aside after the term. In a way it's a smart move to give one of the main men who could potentially bring him down the job of keeping the government together. He must just think Donnelly will do well. Really looks like he didn't give a flip about who he pissed off.
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rfurlong wrote:Martin had the Hobson’s choice of sticking two fingers up to one of:

1/ Wimmin/Kerry
2/ A political chameleon in the form of Donnelly
3/ Calleary/the Whesht

In the face of this, he chose not to piss off Stephen jaysis Donnelly?

Very strange indeed.

Was he thinking he needs to fend off a leadership challenge from Calleary in 2.5 yrs time? Cos all he’s done now is guarantee that challenge ......
You aren't reading what's being posted. Martin doesn't really care about 2.5 years for his leadership. He will most likely be gone anyway.

His "legacy" will be Fianna Fáil being competent in government again and he picked the 6 he thought could do that. Norma Foley may be the exception, as a female voice, but you can't not have a female amongst the FF contingent.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:
EverReady wrote:Does he actually think people like Donnelly?
Maybe they shared an 'experience' or something...

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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Martin had the Hobson’s choice of sticking two fingers up to one of:

1/ Wimmin/Kerry
2/ A political chameleon in the form of Donnelly
3/ Calleary/the Whesht

In the face of this, he chose not to piss off Stephen jaysis Donnelly?

Very strange indeed.

Was he thinking he needs to fend off a leadership challenge from Calleary in 2.5 yrs time? Cos all he’s done now is guarantee that challenge ......
You aren't reading what's being posted. Martin doesn't really care about 2.5 years for his leadership. He will most likely be gone anyway.

His "legacy" will be Fianna Fáil being competent in government again and he picked the 6 he thought could do that. Norma Foley may be the exception, as a female voice, but you can't not have a female amongst the FF contingent.
Eh ..... you’re the one who isn’t reading what’s being posted, if you think Donnelly will do more to bolster FF’s competence rating with the public than Calleary.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
alliswell wrote:
nardol wrote:The north and west: Screw you capitalist pigs, we are electing shinners and a bunch of nutcases so take that!


The north and west: what what whaaaaaaaaat, you are not giving us any ministerial positions!????


Fúck em
Not really the case. Mayo returned 3/4 FF and FG, no ministry Cork South Central does same, 3 ministries. Donegal does 2/5, same as Wicklow, 2 ministries to none.

Now I don't think that there is a problem with the geographical spread of ministries (bar perception) but your point is just a bit stupid.
Go a bit deeper than Mayo (who actually have the Chief Whip). There were 3 to 4 realistic options from Limerick up to Donegal. Cork South Central had 3 big party players in them alone. It's a silly enough comparison.
It's a silly conversation tbf. Obviously none of it matters unless people think it matters which they seem to do. The easiest would have been to give Calleary a voting job but even Anne Rabbitte for Norma Foley would have been easy and given him something in the West.
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I'm baffled with Barry Cowen getting a ministerial post and Calleary not.

The Cowan power in FF is still there.
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The thing about Norma Foley's department is that they've shrunk it. They took the important part and gave it to Harris. That was a very good move
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iarmhiman wrote:The thing about Norma Foley's department is that they've shrunk it. They took the important part and gave it to Harris. That was a very good move
The fights come on her side. In that sense the women's council is right. They should be running competent women in winnable seats. Should run some competent lads in som of them as well.
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There was obviously a deal done with Donnelly when he joined FF 2 years ago. It’s the only way his promotion makes sense. Bit of a kick in the teeth for all the FF lifers to be leapfrogged by an opportunist like that.
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Duff Paddy wrote:There was obviously a deal done with Donnelly when he joined FF 2 years ago. It’s the only way his promotion makes sense. Bit of a kick in the teeth for all the FF lifers to be leapfrogged by an opportunist like that.
It's odd alright. Didn't want to George Lee'd but both are massive spoofers really. Dara on the other hand seems to have the goods though tbf I don't know a massive amount about him
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Why is everyone confused about Donnelly? He was FF spokesman on health and it being the hot potato it is was always going to be under FF's domain. I think he'll do a decent job.
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From the Economist
“Greencons” are a new political alliance for an uncertain age
Conservatives and climate activists, once political opposites, are joining forces

Europe
Jun 28th 2020
THE FORMATION of Ireland’s new government on June 27th, after 140 days of haggling, brings to office a novel coalition. Not only will the old rivals of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael ally for the first time since the Irish civil war roughly a century ago, but the two parties of the centre-right will join forces with the 29-year-old Green Party. Under the new taoiseach, Micheal Martin, the coalition is promising a green new deal that would slash carbon emissions by 7% a year. Though still rare, once-improbable alliances of climate activists and conservatives are becoming increasingly fashionable in Europe. The covid-19 pandemic could well foster more such coalitions.

“Greencon” alliances are for now marriages of convenience, born of the fragmentation of European politics that is forcing parties of all stripes to contemplate new partnerships. There are areas on which greens and conservatives are unlikely ever to agree, notably defence and foreign policy. Nonetheless both sides have done a lot of evolving in recent years. And the pandemic is painting the political landscape an ever deeper shade of green, which politicians of the centre-right are as eager to exploit.

Traditionally, greens have been happier with partners to the left of centre. In Germany they joined a “red-green” government led by the Social Democratic Party (SPD) between 1998 and 2005. But in Germany and elsewhere, the greens have overtaken the old centre-left as the appeal of old-style socialism has faded and that of environmentalism has bloomed. Greens might once have been cranky idealists but have become eager to exercise power and accept the inevitable compromises that come with it.

Austria is the prime example of nascent green-conservative alliances. Since January, after months of negotiations following an inconclusive election, the country has been governed by a distinctly odd couple. The chancellor, Sebastian Kurz is the man who shifted the Austrian People’s Party from its christian-democratic centrism towards the populist right. He is a sharp-suited, unfeasibly well-groomed 33-year-old. His deputy, the crumpled Werner Kogler, leader of the Green Party, 25 years Mr Kurz’s senior, is never knowingly caught wearing a tie.

In this expedient alliance, Mr Kurz has been pursuing hardline anti-immigration policies, while Leonore Gewessler, the Greens’ “super minister” (specifically, “Minister of Climate Protection, Environment, Energy, Mobility, Innovation and Technology”) is pursuing one of Europe’s most ambitious climate-change programmes, seeking to turn Austria carbon neutral by 2040. Mr Kurz and Mr Kogler have co-operated well on controlling the spread of the coronavirus. Austria’s infection has been relatively low.

Having won 14% of the vote in September’s election, the Greens did well enough to make themselves kingmakers. In Ireland in February, their counterparts did much the same thing, taking 12 out of 160 seats in the Dáil. Though divided, the Greens ushered Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael into office—and thereby excluded the left-wing nationalists of Sinn Fein (the political wing of the Irish Republican Army that bloodied Northern Ireland for more than three decades). Their Greens’ leader, Eamon Ryan, a former cycling-shop owner who served in government in 2007-08, is minister for climate action, communications networks and transport

Austria and Ireland are minnows compared with Germany, where the most important green-conservative coalition may emerge. Ahead of the federal election next year, opinion polls place the Greens second to Angela Merkel’s conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU). Last June, a poll briefly put the Greens ahead of the CDU, which has since drawn ahead. There is every possibility of a “black-green” coalition government.

Germany, moreover, is the place where a meaningful green-conservative ideology may yet take root. In 2011, in response to the disaster at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant, Mrs Merkel ordered the closure of the country’s nuclear power stations—in effect conceding the Greens’ longest-standing demand, albeit at the cost of increased emissions from coal-fired stations. The Greens and the CDU share power at a state level; six Länder are ruled by coalitions containing the CDU and the Greens, of which two are straight black-green alliances. Robert Habeck, the Greens’ co-leader, who hails from the “realo” (realist) wing, says he would be perfectly happy to share power with the CDU in the federal government.

Importantly for any compromise with conservatives, fewer greens now argue that all economic growth is bad in itself, as long as it is sustainable. Many of the younger generation, reared in the more free-market economic climate of the post-cold-war era, are more open to private-sector solutions to climate change.

As greens have become more pragmatic, many conservatives fear greenery less than they used to. Michael Gove, the foremost green thinker in Britain’s conservative government, has surprised even hardcore activists with his enthusiasm for shifting enormous subsidies away from the mere ownership of land towards rewarding landowners for environmental stewardship, treating the countryside as a public good in a new frontline in the battle against climate change. Mark Littlewood of the Institute of Economic Affairs, a British free-market think-tank, says there is no practical reason why British Conservatives should not support a carbon tax. However, he warns that Conservatives have to be “reassured that greenery is not a Trojan horse for more socialist controls. They have to know that the end point is just an attempt to decarbonise the economy, nothing more.” Fundamentally, as one British government adviser puts it, greenery can be a right-wing issue “because it’s about conservation”. Conservatives are traditionally stewards of the countryside, whereas left-wing parties have usually been based in urban, industrial areas. Thus French conservatives regard la France profonde of small villages and agriculture as the romantic embodiment of national values.

Sara Hobolt, a professor of politics at the London School of Economics, argues that conservative parties across Europe are much more socially liberal than they used to be. This makes them more comfortable working with the former hippies and anarchists who pepper green parties.

The pandemic has served to highlight the reality of disasters long talked about, and long ignored. And the need to offset the economic damage of the pandemic has pushed centre-right governments to resort to the tools of big government to marshall medical resources, support economies and save millions of jobs. Their huge bail-outs have often carried green labels.

The French and British governments, as well as the populist Italian one, have all promised more money to make it safer and easier to walk and cycle in cities. In exchange for handing over billions of euros to bail out France’s car and aviation industries, President Emmanuel Macron has been setting targets for them to speed up electrification and cut emissions respectively. At the centre of the European Union’s eye-wateringly expensive post-covid recovery programme is the European Green Deal, which aims to cut emissions by 50%-55% by 2030, compared with 1990 levels.

For now, greencon alliances are likely to remain confined to northern Europe. Green parties barely feature in southern and eastern Europe. Many other parts of the rich world are more closely wedded to fossil fuels. Australia, for instance, is the world’s biggest exporter of coal, selling $46bn-worth of the dirty black stuff in 2019. Its conservative coalition government was notoriously reluctant to link the terrible bushfires earlier this year to global warming. But public opinion is changing. The share of Australians who think climate change is a “serious and pressing” problem has increased from about 50% to 60% in the past four years. In a new poll, three of the top five threats to the country’s “vital interests” were related to the environment. In May the government issued a road-map towards reducing Australia’s carbon emissions, with an emphasis on replacing coal with gas.

In Canada, too, conservatives have been equally in thrall to resource interests, especially in the oil-producing western provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan. But they have been forced to become more green to try to make up electoral ground conceded to Justin Trudeau. In America, meanwhile, the Republican Party and the coal-loving President Donald Trump may seem impervious to the greening of conservative politics. Yet, perhaps oddly, America’s renewable-energy boom has been strongest in Republican-controlled states like Texas (which also produces lots of oil).

Greencon politics is still in its infancy. It may never reach adulthood. Electorates may reject its disparate policies as opportunistic. But they may welcome it as a feature of modern politics that upholds campaign promises and gets things done. Its “oil and vinegar” approach could make for effective governing. It is a 21st-century fusion of value-driven politics, not contradictory so much as incoherent: vaunting the nation at the same time as valuing the Earth. The pandemic has reinforced this strange mix, forcing many politicians to be more pragmatic than they might like. Handy skills for a new kind of politics.■
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de_Selby wrote:Why is everyone confused about Donnelly? He was FF spokesman on health and it being the hot potato it is was always going to be under FF's domain. I think he'll do a decent job.
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EverReady wrote:
de_Selby wrote:Why is everyone confused about Donnelly? He was FF spokesman on health and it being the hot potato it is was always going to be under FF's domain. I think he'll do a decent job.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:
EverReady wrote:
de_Selby wrote:Why is everyone confused about Donnelly? He was FF spokesman on health and it being the hot potato it is was always going to be under FF's domain. I think he'll do a decent job.
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nardol wrote:Why do they feel disconnected?

They had Enda for years and they have had ministers for years and what good has that done? Ring Chambers etc

The responsibility lies not with the state, it lies with the voters in who they want to represent them.
Because the further you get from Dublin the wilder the parish pump politics get.

These people think a minister will guarantee them new roads, grant monies and jobs.
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I see crazy horse stuck the knife into Micheál in the IT today. Must have some animosity going on back in the day
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EverReady wrote:I see crazy horse stuck the knife into Micheál in the IT today. Must have some animosity going on back in the day
Crazy Horse?
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EverReady wrote:I see crazy horse stuck the knife into Micheál in the IT today. Must have some animosity going on back in the day
Crazy Horse?
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Ah of course.

Odd fellow. I believe I'm distantly related to him by marriage.
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anonymous_joe wrote:Ah of course.

Odd fellow. I believe I'm distantly related to him by marriage.
He's a bit nuts. I lived in his gaff after he sold it and a mate went on a foreign affairs gig to Africa with him. Both the neighbours and mate report he is one of a kind
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He is probably just shilling for mother Russia.
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