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CM11 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Flametop wrote:HTF did this guy end up as minister for children?

https://m.herald.ie/news/ogorman-backs- ... 46188.html
By being a competent, intelligent member of the Green Party?

I'm not sure that there's sufficient medical evidence on either side regarding gender change rights for kids.
There is growing evidence that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are a very bad idea for children but let's assume there are some children that need it, I completely disagree with any GP being able to sign off on it. This is an incredibly complex and potentially damaging (for life) issue that needs expert opinion to judge the right course of action for a child.
I’m generally fairly woke about this stuff, live and let live, but I really don’t see why they can’t wait until 18 to start treatment - it just seems too risky before then. I have a friend in the professional side of the area and we had a fairly strong argument over this one night and they were having none of it. They wanted children of any age to have treatment - like children not even teenagers yet. I was fairly shocked but there are people out there who are seriously extreme and entrenched on this.
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CM11 wrote:Over 200k downloads of the app. :thumbup:
I wonder what Facebook Land has to say about the app? ER?
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anonymous_joe wrote:
Flametop wrote:HTF did this guy end up as minister for children?

https://m.herald.ie/news/ogorman-backs- ... 46188.html
By being a competent, intelligent member of the Green Party?

I'm not sure that there's sufficient medical evidence on either side regarding gender change rights for kids.

WtF
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Duff Paddy wrote:
CM11 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Flametop wrote:HTF did this guy end up as minister for children?

https://m.herald.ie/news/ogorman-backs- ... 46188.html
By being a competent, intelligent member of the Green Party?

I'm not sure that there's sufficient medical evidence on either side regarding gender change rights for kids.
There is growing evidence that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are a very bad idea for children but let's assume there are some children that need it, I completely disagree with any GP being able to sign off on it. This is an incredibly complex and potentially damaging (for life) issue that needs expert opinion to judge the right course of action for a child.
I’m generally fairly woke about this stuff, live and let live, but I really don’t see why they can’t wait until 18 to start treatment - it just seems too risky before then. I have a friend in the professional side of the area and we had a fairly strong argument over this one night and they were having none of it. They wanted children of any age to have treatment - like children not even teenagers yet. I was fairly shocked but there are people out there who are seriously extreme and entrenched on this.
Yep. It's gotten so entrenched. You can't argue that there are some children who will be permanently damaged by a gender change without being accused of transphobia. No matter how many more qualified people than me think the same.

If you take the parallel of homesexuality, if a 12 year old says they're gay, you accept that but allow for time to figure out if they are (plenty of kids think they might be gay only to figure out in adulthood they're not and vice versa). In the same way I think we should accept kids with gender issues and support them in any way we can but I'd be very opinionated on any physical interventions and really you can't leave it to a GP or well meaning parents to make that call.
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Mullet 2 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Flametop wrote:HTF did this guy end up as minister for children?

https://m.herald.ie/news/ogorman-backs- ... 46188.html
By being a competent, intelligent member of the Green Party?

I'm not sure that there's sufficient medical evidence on either side regarding gender change rights for kids.

WtF
I'm not touching this with a barge pole!
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Liathroidigloine wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Flametop wrote:HTF did this guy end up as minister for children?

https://m.herald.ie/news/ogorman-backs- ... 46188.html
By being a competent, intelligent member of the Green Party?

I'm not sure that there's sufficient medical evidence on either side regarding gender change rights for kids.

WtF
I'm not touching this with a barge pole!
I've being trying not to but have failed recently. I'm fairly liberal and accepting of what people want to do but we're talking about kids here. On the flip side you'll get others going 'exactly, we're talking about kids and you refusing access to treatment is child abuse'. It's such a bloody minefield for the majority of people who just want everyone to be able to live their own unique life.
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Bel Tel are an absolute slag of a paper, they’ve put out an article from Noah Donahoe’s dad who’s never met the kid

Sh*t form x(
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CM11 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Flametop wrote:HTF did this guy end up as minister for children?

https://m.herald.ie/news/ogorman-backs- ... 46188.html
By being a competent, intelligent member of the Green Party?

I'm not sure that there's sufficient medical evidence on either side regarding gender change rights for kids.
There is growing evidence that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are a very bad idea for children but let's assume there are some children that need it, I completely disagree with any GP being able to sign off on it. This is an incredibly complex and potentially damaging (for life) issue that needs expert opinion to judge the right course of action for a child.
Leaving Cert biology is the sum total of my scientific knowledge. I'm not going to even pretend to hold a position one way or another in the absence of medical knowledge.
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anonymous_joe wrote:
CM11 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Flametop wrote:HTF did this guy end up as minister for children?

https://m.herald.ie/news/ogorman-backs- ... 46188.html
By being a competent, intelligent member of the Green Party?

I'm not sure that there's sufficient medical evidence on either side regarding gender change rights for kids.
There is growing evidence that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are a very bad idea for children but let's assume there are some children that need it, I completely disagree with any GP being able to sign off on it. This is an incredibly complex and potentially damaging (for life) issue that needs expert opinion to judge the right course of action for a child.
Leaving Cert biology is the sum total of my scientific knowledge. I'm not going to even pretend to hold a position one way or another in the absence of medical knowledge.
Would you call a GP to the stand as an expert on bone injuries? For example.
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CM11 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
CM11 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Flametop wrote:HTF did this guy end up as minister for children?

https://m.herald.ie/news/ogorman-backs- ... 46188.html
By being a competent, intelligent member of the Green Party?

I'm not sure that there's sufficient medical evidence on either side regarding gender change rights for kids.
There is growing evidence that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are a very bad idea for children but let's assume there are some children that need it, I completely disagree with any GP being able to sign off on it. This is an incredibly complex and potentially damaging (for life) issue that needs expert opinion to judge the right course of action for a child.
Leaving Cert biology is the sum total of my scientific knowledge. I'm not going to even pretend to hold a position one way or another in the absence of medical knowledge.
Would you call a GP to the stand as an expert on bone injuries? For example.
Whiplash, for sure. ;)
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Mullet while I agree Cowen should go, personally I never thought the brand was sound enough to have him so far inside the tent, but Mick is caught isn't he. So early to be jettisoning somebody though would fix his Western flank. I should state I think he should go for the learner bit as that is just retarded stupid to be going around like that as a PR.
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EverReady wrote:Mullet while I agree Cowen should go, personally I never thought the brand was sound enough to have him so far inside the tent, but Mick is caught isn't he. So early to be jettisoning somebody though would fix his Western flank. I should state I think he should go for the learner bit as that is just retarded stupid to be going around like that as a PR.
Yep. Stupid eejit. Can't really talk about SF flouting stuff and then let Cowan away with this.
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Don't get me wrong as Sheahan has done an absolute number on him but I suppose revenge is a dish best served cold
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Took a look at the Melbourne thread about covid, which is instantly swamped by right wingers, then becomes a Brexit thread. Which lead me on to the checking the covid thread, and it’s wall to wall Tory. :lol:

All of the English posters left are full on toryboys.
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normilet wrote:So, who downloaded the Covid Tracker app?

I gave it a go, seems intuitive enough, just let it run away now and it will tell you if someone wit Covid goes near you. 60 odd thousand people signed up to use it so far from what I can see.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-app- ... 6-Jul2020/
100K I heard on the radio.
In a number of polls only 63% said they would download.
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lorcanoworms wrote:
normilet wrote:So, who downloaded the Covid Tracker app?

I gave it a go, seems intuitive enough, just let it run away now and it will tell you if someone wit Covid goes near you. 60 odd thousand people signed up to use it so far from what I can see.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-app- ... 6-Jul2020/
100K I heard on the radio.

Apologies, I got mixed up with the figure on the app showing how many people had checked in today.

Seems to have hit over 200k downloads now.
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If I had a phone for it I’d download it.
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The English have to go Ra Ra at this stage. In it to win it really
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EverReady wrote:The English have to go Ra Ra at this stage. In it to win it really
It’s been an unmitigated disaster for them.
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Floppykid wrote:Took a look at the Melbourne thread about covid, which is instantly swamped by right wingers, then becomes a Brexit thread. Which lead me on to the checking the covid thread, and it’s wall to wall Tory. :lol:

All of the English posters left are full on toryboys.
This one from Terry is a doozie:
The virus does seem to thrive in colder, damp conditions
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There’s a growing weirdo core of Irish Q freaks online. :lol:
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Of whats?
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Qanon.

It’s bonkers stuff and has spread out from the US online like a virus.

G’OD stuff
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CM11 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
CM11 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Flametop wrote:HTF did this guy end up as minister for children?

https://m.herald.ie/news/ogorman-backs- ... 46188.html
By being a competent, intelligent member of the Green Party?

I'm not sure that there's sufficient medical evidence on either side regarding gender change rights for kids.
There is growing evidence that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are a very bad idea for children but let's assume there are some children that need it, I completely disagree with any GP being able to sign off on it. This is an incredibly complex and potentially damaging (for life) issue that needs expert opinion to judge the right course of action for a child.
Leaving Cert biology is the sum total of my scientific knowledge. I'm not going to even pretend to hold a position one way or another in the absence of medical knowledge.
Would you call a GP to the stand as an expert on bone injuries? For example.
Probably not. Bony injuries would normally be identified by way of an x-ray and/or a consultant in emergency medicine.
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Floppykid wrote:Qanon.

It’s bonkers stuff and has spread out from the US online like a virus.

G’OD stuff
Yeah it will be big here in the not too distant future. We always catch up with the US and UK on political trends eventually.

We'll be longing for Sinn Fein :(
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Boxcar Ira wrote:
Floppykid wrote:Qanon.

It’s bonkers stuff and has spread out from the US online like a virus.

G’OD stuff
Yeah it will be big here in the not too distant future. We always catch up with the US and UK on political trends eventually.

We'll be longing for Sinn Fein :(
Jaysus lads, it's away with the fairies stuff :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

If it attracts the "woke" vote away from SF, so be it; but admitting to believing it will be like saying that deep down you really like the Brits. People will give you a funny look, buy you a drink and say "go on, get that down you, you sound as if you need it !"
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https://twitter.com/JanineQ20

Have a scan through this random example.
Complete internet/social media poisoning.
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camroc1 wrote:
If it attracts the "woke" vote away from SF, so be it; but admitting to believing it will be like saying that deep down you really like the Brits. People will give you a funny look, buy you a drink and say "go on, get that down you, you sound as if you need it !"
Most of us like the Brits you weirdo.
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Floppykid wrote:https://twitter.com/JanineQ20

Have a scan through this random example.
Complete internet/social media poisoning.
Has a whiff of a fake account
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Leinsterman wrote:
Floppykid wrote:https://twitter.com/JanineQ20

Have a scan through this random example.
Complete internet/social media poisoning.
Has a whiff of a fake account
Some of them are fake for sure, but there's plenty or Irish ones just like that that aren't.

It's just a fringe conspiracy thing, but social media gives it a level of prominence it shouldn't have.
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Floppykid wrote:https://twitter.com/JanineQ20

Have a scan through this random example.
Complete internet/social media poisoning.
would
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I'm seeing if I can stop with social media. In the first instance the effect it has on attention is not really being contended with. This short, sharp "thought" in a constant stream, coming from anywhere and everywhere, anyone and everyone is having a serious effect on people's (mine included) ability to go half an hour without a "hit." And second, unlike forums and chatrooms there's fudge all actual discussion. There's people belting out slogans, but if you're a small account no-one actually engages, and if you're a big account you just dominate the topic with trite self serving statements.

Social media, for all its good in certain areas, is an absolute pox compared to "older" forms of communication on the internet.
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John Connor hanging with Hermann Kelly

https://twitter.com/hermannkelly/status ... 37058?s=20
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paddyor wrote:John Connor hanging with Hermann Kelly

https://twitter.com/hermannkelly/status ... 37058?s=20
Jesus christ. One of the first random replies I clicked on.
https://twitter.com/LindaORiordan6

Never mind the bad English, she's got Trump and QAnon shit in her bio, and retweets the likes of Jim Corr and Gemtrails.

Registered June 2020. Either smells very botty, or that's a concerningly unhinged idiot who's carer needs to change their internet priviliges.
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That's John Connors career down the swanie. What a fücking twat. All he had to do was be anti Government and not shite on about gays but the traveller in him couldn't help himself. This on Coveney supporting O'Gorman :lol:
A tyrannical psychopath with zero morals. Irelands political establishment
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EverReady wrote:That's John Connors career down the swanie. What a fücking twat. All he had to do was be anti Government and not shite on about gays but the traveller in him couldn't help himself. This on Coveney supporting O'Gorman :lol:
A tyrannical psychopath with zero morals. Irelands political establishment
He is an absolute scum bag. There was some online thing run by the local theatre recently and he was in it. It cost a fiver but nobody paid for it. Nobody in Longford want's to listen to another mouthy knacker.
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He's a simpleton with a pulpit. Plenty of them
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His travelller call out videos to Leo and Harris at the begininng of the lock down was quite something. Everyone just had to ignore it and pretend it wasn't a traveller bringing call out videos to the political discourse.
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His artsy fartsy crew will be devastated

'John was so on it about Si and Micheál last night. Just called them out on homeless and austerity and nurs...'
'Sorry to be the one to tell you this Fuchsia but John doesn't like the gays. Now I don't mean doesn't like Leo austerity gay I mean all the gays'
'Jee....sus'
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