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Floppykid wrote:https://twitter.com/JanineQ20

Have a scan through this random example.
Complete internet/social media poisoning.
Apparently lawyers are all involved in a pedofile ring. :lol:
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600k downloads of that app seems pretty decent. What are they aiming for do we know?
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Total suppression of our rights and fiddlin with our kids
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anonymous_joe wrote:
Floppykid wrote:https://twitter.com/JanineQ20

Have a scan through this random example.
Complete internet/social media poisoning.
Apparently lawyers are all involved in a pedofile ring. :lol:
I suppose that would be a list of foot specialists.
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Duff Paddy wrote:
CM11 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Flametop wrote:HTF did this guy end up as minister for children?

https://m.herald.ie/news/ogorman-backs- ... 46188.html
By being a competent, intelligent member of the Green Party?

I'm not sure that there's sufficient medical evidence on either side regarding gender change rights for kids.
There is growing evidence that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are a very bad idea for children but let's assume there are some children that need it, I completely disagree with any GP being able to sign off on it. This is an incredibly complex and potentially damaging (for life) issue that needs expert opinion to judge the right course of action for a child.
I’m generally fairly woke about this stuff, live and let live, but I really don’t see why they can’t wait until 18 to start treatment - it just seems too risky before then. I have a friend in the professional side of the area and we had a fairly strong argument over this one night and they were having none of it. They wanted children of any age to have treatment - like children not even teenagers yet. I was fairly shocked but there are people out there who are seriously extreme and entrenched on this.
This.
Folks have to wait till 18 before they can have a pint.
They can wait till then before embarking on life changing medical intervention. Happy to revise my opinion when more evidence is available.
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Boxcar Ira wrote:600k downloads of that app seems pretty decent. What are they aiming for do we know?
For context on the uptake, apparently Germany only had 1mln sign ups on Day 1 from an 80mln population so we've already hit probably close to 20% of the total relevant population already which is great, we could hit a million by Morrow I reckon....... :thumbup:
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
CM11 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Flametop wrote:HTF did this guy end up as minister for children?

https://m.herald.ie/news/ogorman-backs- ... 46188.html
By being a competent, intelligent member of the Green Party?

I'm not sure that there's sufficient medical evidence on either side regarding gender change rights for kids.
There is growing evidence that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are a very bad idea for children but let's assume there are some children that need it, I completely disagree with any GP being able to sign off on it. This is an incredibly complex and potentially damaging (for life) issue that needs expert opinion to judge the right course of action for a child.
I’m generally fairly woke about this stuff, live and let live, but I really don’t see why they can’t wait until 18 to start treatment - it just seems too risky before then. I have a friend in the professional side of the area and we had a fairly strong argument over this one night and they were having none of it. They wanted children of any age to have treatment - like children not even teenagers yet. I was fairly shocked but there are people out there who are seriously extreme and entrenched on this.
This.
Folks have to wait till 18 before they can have a pint.
They can wait till then before embarking on life changing medical intervention. Happy to revise my opinion when more evidence is available.
Life affirming, which is what the doctors should be helping them realise. Whether it actually is or isn't.
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There's absolutely no way I'd let my kids change their gender as kids. They can't vote/smoke/drink/etc, but they can make an absolutely massive life changing decision? No.
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It's dynamite stuff and the Minister is going to get kicked up and down the street for it. The fact Micheál and Leo didn't learn the trans mistakes from the US by agreeing to have this in the PFG is a mystery to me. A minority of people agree with this and it will blow up in their faces. The fact it is being slapped on the table with a resounding bang as his first act is politically HUH. This government is not going to go well lads. It pains me to say that
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fudge trans kids, the little shits, they can be miserable until they're eighteen when they can join a waiting list for another three years of misery until they're seen.
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Patience is a virtue. Do some yoga or shit like that while waiting
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CarrotGawks wrote:fudge trans kids, the little shits, they can be miserable until they're eighteen when they can join a waiting list for another three years of misery until they're seen.
None of this existed 20-30 years ago.
If you were feeling a bit sexy you got to dress up a bit in your wife’s lingerie on the weekend and then come Monday you were back in a nice suit and nobody was any the wiser.
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EverReady wrote:It's dynamite stuff and the Minister is going to get kicked up and down the street for it. The fact Micheál and Leo didn't learn the trans mistakes from the US by agreeing to have this in the PFG is a mystery to me. A minority of people agree with this and it will blow up in their faces. The fact it is being slapped on the table with a resounding bang as his first act is politically HUH. This government is not going to go well lads. It pains me to say that
Sections of Twitter will be outraged if the government doing do exactly what they want in the name of teams rights, bit those people already hate the government, so no loss.
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Nols, the government will lose a lot more support than that

the race to woke mountain is going to end in tears
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CarrotGawks wrote:fudge trans kids, the little shits, they can be miserable until they're eighteen when they can join a waiting list for another three years of misery until they're seen.
way to totally distort the argument :roll:

if the waiting list is the issue then lets start the kids on puberty blockers when they're 12 ...... is that where you want to take this next?

are any trans activists actually capable of debating the issue without coming across like verucca salt?

we're talking about kids with gender dysphoria who may find out they're gay or lesbian, not trans, after having worked through their issues with properly qualified mental health professionals.

It would be a bit of a disaster to work out that you're actually gay not trans, having lopped your bollocks off a year earlier.

people, especially young immature vulnerable people, change their minds all the time. If a section of these kids are truly transgender (which I'm sure many will be), then they are unlikely to back away from transition later (i.e. when they are over 18) .... so whats the fecking rush to let 16 year olds make these kinds of decisions without proper oversight?
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rfurlong wrote:Nols, the government will lose a lot more support than that

the race to woke mountain is going to end in tears
Woke back mountain?
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rfurlong wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:fudge trans kids, the little shits, they can be miserable until they're eighteen when they can join a waiting list for another three years of misery until they're seen.
way to totally distort the argument :roll:

if the waiting list is the issue then lets start the kids on puberty blockers when they're 12 ...... is that where you want to take this next?

are any trans activists actually capable of debating the issue without coming across like verucca salt?

we're talking about kids with gender dysphoria who may find out they're gay or lesbian, not trans, after having worked through their issues with properly qualified mental health professionals.

It would be a bit of a disaster to work out that you're actually gay not trans, having lopped your bollocks off a year earlier.

people, especially young immature vulnerable people, change their minds all the time. If a section of these kids are truly transgender (which I'm sure many will be), then they are unlikely to back away from transition later (i.e. when they are over 18) .... so whats the fecking rush to let 16 year olds make these kinds of decisions without proper oversight?
The proper oversight is getting them to doctors. And respecting them, not telling them "well, you might be wrong, so put up with it until we can wash our hands."
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Flametop wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:fudge trans kids, the little shits, they can be miserable until they're eighteen when they can join a waiting list for another three years of misery until they're seen.
None of this existed 20-30 years ago.
If you were feeling a bit sexy you got to dress up a bit in your wife’s lingerie on the weekend and then come Monday you were back in a nice suit and nobody was any the wiser.
You can buy fake tits and fake penises etc with little difficulty these days. Play with with those for a couple of years.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:
Flametop wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:fudge trans kids, the little shits, they can be miserable until they're eighteen when they can join a waiting list for another three years of misery until they're seen.
None of this existed 20-30 years ago.
If you were feeling a bit sexy you got to dress up a bit in your wife’s lingerie on the weekend and then come Monday you were back in a nice suit and nobody was any the wiser.
You can buy fake tits and fake penises etc with little difficulty these days. Play with with those for a couple of years.
:thumbup:

Terrific idea. Get a set of each until you’ve made up your mind.
Hell, keep both if you’re still not sure, no damage done.
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I’m wondering how many of these kids were raised gender neutral and now their parents can’t understand why they are so confused.
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Flametop wrote:I’m wondering how many of these kids were raised gender neutral and now their parents can’t understand why they are so confused.
The overall number of kids who are genuinely confused is very small indeed.
Sex hormones are very powerful biochemicals, whose very purpose is to confirm sexual identity/gender, and suppressing the natural occurrence of these seems to me to be a form of child abuse.
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Anyway 725k downloads of the covid app now. Maybe Irish people are more responsible than they're given credit for.
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CarrotGawks wrote:fudge trans kids, the little shits, they can be miserable until they're eighteen when they can join a waiting list for another three years of misery until they're seen.
:lol:
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camroc1 wrote:
Flametop wrote:I’m wondering how many of these kids were raised gender neutral and now their parents can’t understand why they are so confused.
The overall number of kids who are genuinely confused is very small indeed.
Sex hormones are very powerful biochemicals, whose very purpose is to confirm sexual identity/gender, and suppressing the natural occurrence of these seems to me to be a form of child abuse.
Mother Nature is wonderful and knows best.

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camroc1 wrote:Anyway 725k downloads of the covid app now. Maybe Irish people are more responsible than they're given credit for.
725k parents who will do anything to make sure the schools reopen fully in September
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Nolanator wrote:
EverReady wrote:It's dynamite stuff and the Minister is going to get kicked up and down the street for it. The fact Micheál and Leo didn't learn the trans mistakes from the US by agreeing to have this in the PFG is a mystery to me. A minority of people agree with this and it will blow up in their faces. The fact it is being slapped on the table with a resounding bang as his first act is politically HUH. This government is not going to go well lads. It pains me to say that
Sections of Twitter will be outraged if the government doing do exactly what they want in the name of teams rights, bit those people already hate the government, so no loss.
Nah this is different. Vast swathes of middle Ireland don't want kids wobbly bits messed with. The lessons internationally are this is a toxic debate that you run the other way from. It's not brave to engage in it it's just downright stupid. As Flamer says generations of young fellas got there mammies big old bra and started off by putting it on his head, he then progressed to wearing it while chasing the dog, he then put it on properly and stuffed it with his rugby socks, he then he added the knickers and with a final flourish he tucked his mickey between his legs and stood in front of the regency mirror before having a wank. Or so I hear.
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EverReady wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
EverReady wrote:It's dynamite stuff and the Minister is going to get kicked up and down the street for it. The fact Micheál and Leo didn't learn the trans mistakes from the US by agreeing to have this in the PFG is a mystery to me. A minority of people agree with this and it will blow up in their faces. The fact it is being slapped on the table with a resounding bang as his first act is politically HUH. This government is not going to go well lads. It pains me to say that
Sections of Twitter will be outraged if the government doing do exactly what they want in the name of teams rights, bit those people already hate the government, so no loss.
Nah this is different. Vast swathes of middle Ireland don't want kids wobbly bits messed with. The lessons internationally are this is a toxic debate that you run the other way from. It's not brave to engage in it it's just downright stupid. As Flamer says generations of young fellas got there mammies big old bra and started off by putting it on his head, he then progressed to wearing it while chasing the dog, he then put it on properly and stuffed it with his rugby socks, he then he added the knickers and with a final flourish he tucked his mickey between his legs and stood in front of the regency mirror before having a wank. Or so I hear.
Indeed. And it would be pretty disappointing to go to all that trouble to find out at the last minute that your joystick has been confiscated.
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Leinsterman wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Anyway 725k downloads of the covid app now. Maybe Irish people are more responsible than they're given credit for.
725k parents who will do anything to make sure the schools reopen fully in September
Waterford Whispers have it down. https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/ ... id-19-app/
Man Who Uses WhatsApp, TikTok, Google Maps, Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook & Twitter Apps Has Privacy Concerns About Covid-19 App
Thankfully the take-up has been good.. so far.
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Flametop wrote:
EverReady wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
EverReady wrote:It's dynamite stuff and the Minister is going to get kicked up and down the street for it. The fact Micheál and Leo didn't learn the trans mistakes from the US by agreeing to have this in the PFG is a mystery to me. A minority of people agree with this and it will blow up in their faces. The fact it is being slapped on the table with a resounding bang as his first act is politically HUH. This government is not going to go well lads. It pains me to say that
Sections of Twitter will be outraged if the government doing do exactly what they want in the name of teams rights, bit those people already hate the government, so no loss.
Nah this is different. Vast swathes of middle Ireland don't want kids wobbly bits messed with. The lessons internationally are this is a toxic debate that you run the other way from. It's not brave to engage in it it's just downright stupid. As Flamer says generations of young fellas got there mammies big old bra and started off by putting it on his head, he then progressed to wearing it while chasing the dog, he then put it on properly and stuffed it with his rugby socks, he then he added the knickers and with a final flourish he tucked his mickey between his legs and stood in front of the regency mirror before having a wank. Or so I hear.
Indeed. And it would be pretty disappointing to go to all that trouble to find out at the last minute that your joystick has been confiscated.
:lol:
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CarrotGawks wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:fudge trans kids, the little shits, they can be miserable until they're eighteen when they can join a waiting list for another three years of misery until they're seen.
way to totally distort the argument :roll:

if the waiting list is the issue then lets start the kids on puberty blockers when they're 12 ...... is that where you want to take this next?

are any trans activists actually capable of debating the issue without coming across like verucca salt?

we're talking about kids with gender dysphoria who may find out they're gay or lesbian, not trans, after having worked through their issues with properly qualified mental health professionals.

It would be a bit of a disaster to work out that you're actually gay not trans, having lopped your bollocks off a year earlier.

people, especially young immature vulnerable people, change their minds all the time. If a section of these kids are truly transgender (which I'm sure many will be), then they are unlikely to back away from transition later (i.e. when they are over 18) .... so whats the fecking rush to let 16 year olds make these kinds of decisions without proper oversight?
The proper oversight is getting them to doctors. And respecting them, not telling them "well, you might be wrong, so put up with it until we can wash our hands."
The proper oversight is getting them to suitably qualified mental health professionals, who can work with them to determine the appropriate course of action .... and the timing/phasing of that action.

GP’s are simply not qualified to sanction a course of action leading to a sex change ...... and letting them do so is about as far away from “respecting” kids with gender dysphoria as you could possibly get.

Giving GP’s that power is like saying that a dentist should be able to sign off on a liver transplant
ffs.

I genuinely don’t understand why trans activists have such an antipathy for the involvement of mental health professionals in the decision making process ....... but then again maybe I do.
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rfurlong wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:fudge trans kids, the little shits, they can be miserable until they're eighteen when they can join a waiting list for another three years of misery until they're seen.
way to totally distort the argument :roll:

if the waiting list is the issue then lets start the kids on puberty blockers when they're 12 ...... is that where you want to take this next?

are any trans activists actually capable of debating the issue without coming across like verucca salt?

we're talking about kids with gender dysphoria who may find out they're gay or lesbian, not trans, after having worked through their issues with properly qualified mental health professionals.

It would be a bit of a disaster to work out that you're actually gay not trans, having lopped your bollocks off a year earlier.

people, especially young immature vulnerable people, change their minds all the time. If a section of these kids are truly transgender (which I'm sure many will be), then they are unlikely to back away from transition later (i.e. when they are over 18) .... so whats the fecking rush to let 16 year olds make these kinds of decisions without proper oversight?
The proper oversight is getting them to doctors. And respecting them, not telling them "well, you might be wrong, so put up with it until we can wash our hands."
The proper oversight is getting them to suitably qualified mental health professionals, who can work with them to determine the appropriate course of action .... and the timing/phasing of that action.

GP’s are simply not qualified to sanction a course of action leading to a sex change ...... and letting them do so is about as far away from “respecting” kids with gender dysphoria as you could possibly get.

Giving GP’s that power is like saying that a dentist should be able to sign off on a liver transplant
ffs.

I genuinely don’t understand why trans activists have such an antipathy for the involvement of mental health professionals in the decision making process ....... but then again maybe I do.
Oh fudge off. I said doctors, which should include mental health professionals, especially for kids, but a GP will, for a lot of people, be a first port of call, and GPs are the doctors who should be co-ordinating between all of a patient's interactions.
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Even mental health professionals have agendas, are human, are flawed. It's the way we all are. We let our feelings drip all over the place. Adults can't be trusted to be rationale about something like that either leaning for or against it. The best way is to pick a point of adulthood, we've decided that is 18, and let the person make their decision then. Obviously the flaws are obvious in that they have been infected by those around them for years up to that point. Maybe a more reasonable thing would be for them to have to live with other people for the three years you cite before the operation
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CarrotGawks wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:fudge trans kids, the little shits, they can be miserable until they're eighteen when they can join a waiting list for another three years of misery until they're seen.
way to totally distort the argument :roll:

if the waiting list is the issue then lets start the kids on puberty blockers when they're 12 ...... is that where you want to take this next?

are any trans activists actually capable of debating the issue without coming across like verucca salt?

we're talking about kids with gender dysphoria who may find out they're gay or lesbian, not trans, after having worked through their issues with properly qualified mental health professionals.

It would be a bit of a disaster to work out that you're actually gay not trans, having lopped your bollocks off a year earlier.

people, especially young immature vulnerable people, change their minds all the time. If a section of these kids are truly transgender (which I'm sure many will be), then they are unlikely to back away from transition later (i.e. when they are over 18) .... so whats the fecking rush to let 16 year olds make these kinds of decisions without proper oversight?
The proper oversight is getting them to doctors. And respecting them, not telling them "well, you might be wrong, so put up with it until we can wash our hands."
The proper oversight is getting them to suitably qualified mental health professionals, who can work with them to determine the appropriate course of action .... and the timing/phasing of that action.

GP’s are simply not qualified to sanction a course of action leading to a sex change ...... and letting them do so is about as far away from “respecting” kids with gender dysphoria as you could possibly get.

Giving GP’s that power is like saying that a dentist should be able to sign off on a liver transplant
ffs.

I genuinely don’t understand why trans activists have such an antipathy for the involvement of mental health professionals in the decision making process ....... but then again maybe I do.
Oh fudge off. I said doctors, which should include mental health professionals, especially for kids, but a GP will, for a lot of people, be a first port of call, and GPs are the doctors who should be co-ordinating between all of a patient's interactions.
I'm delighted you are now agreeing with me.

Will you therefore be campaigning against the proposals outlined by the Minister in the original article, where he states that "children under 16 should be able to change their gender with the consent of their parents or guardians and GP."

note the complete absence of any mention of mental health professionals being included in the decision making process.
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rfurlong wrote:Meanwhile politicians of all hues are getting paid accommodation expenses throughout covid, when the dail hasn’t even been sitting

A low hanging fruit for Martin would be the introduction of vouched expenses scheme ...... like everyone else in the country operates under
:thumbup: dunno how this hasn't come up as part of a legal challenge revenue audit of any random self employed person claiming "aggressive travel expenses"
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EverReady wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
EverReady wrote:It's dynamite stuff and the Minister is going to get kicked up and down the street for it. The fact Micheál and Leo didn't learn the trans mistakes from the US by agreeing to have this in the PFG is a mystery to me. A minority of people agree with this and it will blow up in their faces. The fact it is being slapped on the table with a resounding bang as his first act is politically HUH. This government is not going to go well lads. It pains me to say that
Sections of Twitter will be outraged if the government doing do exactly what they want in the name of teams rights, bit those people already hate the government, so no loss.
Nah this is different. Vast swathes of middle Ireland don't want kids wobbly bits messed with. The lessons internationally are this is a toxic debate that you run the other way from. It's not brave to engage in it it's just downright stupid. As Flamer says generations of young fellas got there mammies big old bra and started off by putting it on his head, he then progressed to wearing it while chasing the dog, he then put it on properly and stuffed it with his rugby socks, he then he added the knickers and with a final flourish he tucked his mickey between his legs and stood in front of the regency mirror before having a wank. Or so I hear.
Sorry, I wasn't clear on my stance. Was more making a comment on one of the loud parts of Twitter.
I think starting potentially irreversible changes on teenagers is nuts. Get them to 17 or something before hormone therapy or any other kind of medical intervention. Let the natural puberty processes settle down before going in massively disrupting things.
Absolutely get teenagers in the system and working with qualified specialists so that they have the support necessary, and if/when they do decide to proceed with medical therapy once they are of age, they're ready to start quickly.

Medical intervention in still developing kids seems absolutely bonkers, IMO. It's not getting a mole removed or having your nose fixed. Waaaayyyy more substantial than that.
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EverReady wrote:...he best way is to pick a point of adulthood, we've decided that is 18, and let the person make their decision then. Obviously the flaws are obvious in that they have been infected by those around them for years up to that point. ...
Ah here, that's a particularly shit take.
People can absolutely be influenced by others with an agenda and steered towards a specific outcome, but this is implying that there's nothing legitimate about trans people and that they have no agency in the entire thing.
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ticketlessinseattle wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Meanwhile politicians of all hues are getting paid accommodation expenses throughout covid, when the dail hasn’t even been sitting

A low hanging fruit for Martin would be the introduction of vouched expenses scheme ...... like everyone else in the country operates under
:thumbup: dunno how this hasn't come up as part of a legal challenge revenue audit of any random self employed person claiming "aggressive travel expenses"
Because committees continued to sit.

Relax on the Joe Duffy shit
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People believe they should have been born without an arm.

Should we mutilate them?
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THIS is an incredibly uninformed and poorly written article at a time when as many people as possible should be downloading the app.
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Crazy for MM not to allow questions after Cowan’s statement last night - they handed Paul Murphy a platform on all the radio stations this morning. It just sounds bad. Pity Paul isn’t smart enough to ask the biggest question - how was he still over the limit for a garda station blood test if he really did have just 2 drinks over the course of a match that also included a light meal. Nah.
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