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shabadoo wrote: Totally agree. And seems intentionally misleading to be honest, especially for someone who works in Data.

It is clear as day when you install the App that you can choose not to send the metrics and it will not effect the ability of the app to work. These metrics are generally used by the Devs to improve the app or troubleshoot issues etc.

I do t have FB/Twitter but I've no problem installing the App. The privacy stuff is as clear as it gets. It tracks your location if you allow it to, your choice. It will probably save lives...everyone should just download and f**king use the thing.
He doesn't seem to get that Bluetooth is often bundled as "proximity location" under location services.
If he even checked the app on a phone, he'd see that no permissions are enabled.
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That's about right, the level of intellectual inquiry here maxes out at South Park. They should really do an episode about obnoxious bar bores. "You see, the problem with..."
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CarrotGawks wrote:That's about right, the level of intellectual inquiry here maxes out at South Park. They should really do an episode about obnoxious bar bores. "You see, the problem with..."
"I read a wonderful novel about homosexuality in the 40s..."

Fúck off you pretentious spa :lol:
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Mullet 2 wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:That's about right, the level of intellectual inquiry here maxes out at South Park. They should really do an episode about obnoxious bar bores. "You see, the problem with..."
"I read a wonderful novel about homosexuality in the 40s..."

Fúck off you pretentious spa :lol:
got em
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Mullet 2 wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:That's about right, the level of intellectual inquiry here maxes out at South Park. They should really do an episode about obnoxious bar bores. "You see, the problem with..."
"I read a wonderful novel about homosexuality in the 40s..."

Fúck off you pretentious spa :lol:
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Uncle Fester wrote:I'm uncomfortable with gender dysphoria being put down as a mental health issue btw.

It's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
The issue is whether you have gender dysphoria or not, not that it's an illness in itself. In the same way kids sometimes think they're gay and then figure out they're not, support but not irreversible decisions should be given when it comes to kids.
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:I'm uncomfortable with gender dysphoria being put down as a mental health issue btw.

It's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
And then we all agreed that it wasnt and we should stop trying to "fix" them.

Or the exact opposite of this danger crap that teaches you not to accept who you are but to mutilate yourself horribly.

If a gay man said he feels he wants to be straight does a Doctor go along with that or encourage him to accept how he was born?

Funny how SJW switch that around isn't it
Which is why I'm okay with them having to wait till they are 18.

I don't believe the state should be helping anybody mutilate themselves or chemically alter their body.

For the same reason I don't want Beaumont running a gay conversion clinic.

You want to pay some "doctor" with your own money that's your business.
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CarrotGawks wrote:That's about right, the level of intellectual inquiry here maxes out at South Park. They should really do an episode about obnoxious bar bores. "You see, the problem with..."
How South Park became the most vital satire show on TV https://inews.co.uk/culture/television/ ... n-tv-20663
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Boxcar Ira wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Leinsterman wrote:THIS is an incredibly uninformed and poorly written article at a time when as many people as possible should be downloading the app.
Worth a read.
https://twitter.com/Tupp_Ed/status/1280 ... 16864?s=19
Yeah it is worth reading. Glad it is being interrogated but no major flaws being found. The data protection people I work are a real pain in the a$$. make it their business to find flaws but I guess that is their job.

There is always going to be a trade off between getting value out of the internet and privacy. This is one I am willing to make anyway.
At least somebody gets it.
Everybody else here is "I don't like what he's saying so therefore it's bs".
In fairness- they're being critical of the critique - which is also fair enough :)
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Uncle Fester wrote:I'm uncomfortable with gender dysphoria being put down as a mental health issue btw.

It's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
Fester - trans people believe they have been born in the wrong body.

No one is saying gender dysphoria is a mental illness ..... but it patently is a psychological issue .... which requires the involvement of mental health professionals (as opposed to just a GP) when supporting trans people.

To the best of my knowledge I don’t think a GP can prescribe anti depressants to a 16 yr old, without the involvement of a psychiatrist ..... but people are happy for a GP to sanction a sex change? I think that would be a major reach, don’t you?

The programme for government commitment will ultimately be clarified in the form of draft gender recognition legislation ...... the sooner the better.

I don’t think anyone has an issue with people under 18 deciding that they are (socially) transgender ..... and personally I’ve no issue with People under 18 getting their hands on a (legal) gender recognition certificate.

But that social and legal change of status, should not open the door for 16 yr olds to access life changing surgery, with a simple nod by a GP.

This isn’t about “make them wait” ...... it’s about “make them be certain” ...... and that certainty can only truly exist in a person who is deemed to be an adult in my opinion.

Unless you are 18 in Ireland you cannot:

Enter into a legal contract
Vote
Book a flight
Buy alcohol or cigarettes
Go into a bookies
Get married
Use a sunbed
Get your teeth whitened
Sit on a jury
Leave home without parental consent

I have no idea why some people simultaneously think that A) the list above is fine but B) lopping your bollox off at the age of 16 should be a human right
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Ultimately I think it's disingenuous and unhelpful to label anyone who has safeguarding concerns in relation to, well, any human as phobic because they raise these concerns.

There are absolutely phobics out there who will jump on many issues and shout loudly but that doesn't mean we should lump the middle ground in with them. Which is exactly what's happening. Equally on the other side there are some complete twats trying to stoke the fire and muddying the waters.
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CarrotGawks wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:I'm uncomfortable with gender dysphoria being put down as a mental health issue btw.

It's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
I finished a Sartre book yesterday, written in the 1940s, and "homosexuality" is a big theme in it. Namely a gay man who hates himself and acts out. The book absolutely rips into the way gay people are/were treated, and the damage that can do to a person. Whether being trans is a "mental illness" or not I think the trauma of A.) Your body and role in life being set out differently to what you know to be true for yourself, and B.) The trauma of how society reacts to you, needs to be something trans people can get help with. Like, it's not even a wonderful happy world for gay people, pretty much anywhere. There's still plenty of bigotry and people worried about coming out. That's going to have an effect on people.
The Roads to freedom ?

I read the trilogy, oh it must be getting on for 40 years ago now, and whilst the homosexuality of Daniel (?) plays some part in the trilogy, it is no more than Mathieus (?) decisions, or indeed the complexity and complicity of events themselves. The books are all about (indeed basically expound) Sartres existential beliefs, and are more about making decisions in the moment regardless of results, than any thing else. Events and circumstance are set up to accentuate the existentialist nature of life.
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never understood the whole "theyre accessing our data" paranoia, I've asked people what specifically they're concernedabout and have yet to get a specific answer...usuallt end up "joking" don't worry your pornhub search history can't be accessed
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camroc1 wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:I'm uncomfortable with gender dysphoria being put down as a mental health issue btw.

It's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
I finished a Sartre book yesterday, written in the 1940s, and "homosexuality" is a big theme in it. Namely a gay man who hates himself and acts out. The book absolutely rips into the way gay people are/were treated, and the damage that can do to a person. Whether being trans is a "mental illness" or not I think the trauma of A.) Your body and role in life being set out differently to what you know to be true for yourself, and B.) The trauma of how society reacts to you, needs to be something trans people can get help with. Like, it's not even a wonderful happy world for gay people, pretty much anywhere. There's still plenty of bigotry and people worried about coming out. That's going to have an effect on people.
The Roads to freedom ?

I read the trilogy, oh it must be getting on for 40 years ago now, and whilst the homosexuality of Daniel (?) plays some part in the trilogy, it is no more than Mathieus (?) decisions, or indeed the complexity and complicity of events themselves. The books are all about (indeed basically expound) Sartres existential beliefs, and are more about making decisions in the moment regardless of results, than any thing else. Events and circumstance are set up to accentuate the existentialist nature of life.
Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. (I just read and am so talking about the first in the trilogy.) But homosexuality (at least Daniel's, and there's more than Daniel's gayness in the realm of gayness in the book) is still a strong theme in it. I'm reading a translation from 1961 and the back matter explicitly says, "Paris 1938 — city of night clubs and galleries, community of students, communists, homosexuals, world of intellect and degredation:..." It is very much a theme, along with other ones, if not the primary purpose for Sartre's writing (but then that's the nature of novels—as opposed to short stories—they deal with a multitude.) Even the existentialism of decisions within the book can be extended (death of the author style) to what the reader takes from it. And I can see it having a strong reaction with anyone interested in gay themes or the effects of prejudice/bigotry.
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Mullet 2 wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:That's about right, the level of intellectual inquiry here maxes out at South Park. They should really do an episode about obnoxious bar bores. "You see, the problem with..."
"I read a wonderful novel about homosexuality in the 40s..."

Fúck off you pretentious spa :lol:
The sooner I can retire to some non woke country the better. I can't really handle this shit any more.
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CarrotGawks wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:I'm uncomfortable with gender dysphoria being put down as a mental health issue btw.

It's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
I finished a Sartre book yesterday, written in the 1940s, and "homosexuality" is a big theme in it. Namely a gay man who hates himself and acts out. The book absolutely rips into the way gay people are/were treated, and the damage that can do to a person. Whether being trans is a "mental illness" or not I think the trauma of A.) Your body and role in life being set out differently to what you know to be true for yourself, and B.) The trauma of how society reacts to you, needs to be something trans people can get help with. Like, it's not even a wonderful happy world for gay people, pretty much anywhere. There's still plenty of bigotry and people worried about coming out. That's going to have an effect on people.
The Roads to freedom ?

I read the trilogy, oh it must be getting on for 40 years ago now, and whilst the homosexuality of Daniel (?) plays some part in the trilogy, it is no more than Mathieus (?) decisions, or indeed the complexity and complicity of events themselves. The books are all about (indeed basically expound) Sartres existential beliefs, and are more about making decisions in the moment regardless of results, than any thing else. Events and circumstance are set up to accentuate the existentialist nature of life.
Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. (I just read and am so talking about the first in the trilogy.) But homosexuality (at least Daniel's, and there's more than Daniel's gayness in the realm of gayness in the book) is still a strong theme in it. I'm reading a translation from 1961 and the back matter explicitly says, "Paris 1938 — city of night clubs and galleries, community of students, communists, homosexuals, world of intellect and degredation:..." It is very much a theme, along with other ones, if not the primary purpose for Sartre's writing (but then that's the nature of novels—as opposed to short stories—they deal with a multitude.) Even the existentialism of decisions within the book can be extended (death of the author style) to what the reader takes from it. And I can see it having a strong reaction with anyone interested in gay themes or the effects of prejudice/bigotry.
Without getting into an argument, there are lots of reasons, why in a series written when the Nazis had conquered and ruled Paris, a homosexual character is used when Paris "before the war" is written about, and his actions end up the way they did; and Sartre's use of the trope may have as much to do with contrasting decadence with, for example, the different decisions required in wartime, than anything else.
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Liathroidigloine wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:That's about right, the level of intellectual inquiry here maxes out at South Park. They should really do an episode about obnoxious bar bores. "You see, the problem with..."
"I read a wonderful novel about homosexuality in the 40s..."

Fúck off you pretentious spa :lol:
The sooner I can retire to some non woke country the better. I can't really handle this shit any more.
It must be directly affecting you very badly.
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Nolanator wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
CarrotGawks wrote:That's about right, the level of intellectual inquiry here maxes out at South Park. They should really do an episode about obnoxious bar bores. "You see, the problem with..."
"I read a wonderful novel about homosexuality in the 40s..."

Fúck off you pretentious spa :lol:
The sooner I can retire to some non woke country the better. I can't really handle this shit any more.
It must be directly affecting you very badly.
:lol:
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:I'm uncomfortable with gender dysphoria being put down as a mental health issue btw.

It's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
And then we all agreed that it wasnt and we should stop trying to "fix" them.

Or the exact opposite of this danger crap that teaches you not to accept who you are but to mutilate yourself horribly.

If a gay man said he feels he wants to be straight does a Doctor go along with that or encourage him to accept how he was born?

Funny how SJW switch that around isn't it
On top of that as a society we do all sorts to protect children. They must have an education, they can't smoke or drink or gamble because these things are harmful, they can't have sex because they can't consent, they can't vote because they aren't mature enough to make that decision, but they can decide to make this absolutely massive life altering decision? It just makes no sense to me.
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0 deaths, 11 new cases.
Seems to be holding steady (in a good way).
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:I'm uncomfortable with gender dysphoria being put down as a mental health issue btw.

It's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
And then we all agreed that it wasnt and we should stop trying to "fix" them.

Or the exact opposite of this danger crap that teaches you not to accept who you are but to mutilate yourself horribly.

If a gay man said he feels he wants to be straight does a Doctor go along with that or encourage him to accept how he was born?

Funny how SJW switch that around isn't it
Which is why I'm okay with them having to wait till they are 18.

I don't believe the state should be helping anybody mutilate themselves or chemically alter their body.

For the same reason I don't want Beaumont running a gay conversion clinic.

You want to pay some "doctor" with your own money that's your business.
And our brief intersection of opinion has ended.

I'm happy to revise my opinion at a later date with more info but anything I've read so far suggests that "you have penis, you man" is a bit simplistic.
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rfurlong wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:I'm uncomfortable with gender dysphoria being put down as a mental health issue btw.

It's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
Fester - trans people believe they have been born in the wrong body.
Not trying to be rude snipping your post but in some cases, it's a bit more than believing. Women can have xy cells and surgeons have found a womb in a man who was father of 4 children.

We don't fully understand these things so until we do, I'll exercise the empathy option.
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We are going for empathy....oh
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EverReady wrote:We are going for empathy....oh
You strike me as somebody who needs a hug.
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I assume we're still talking about it being a bit dodge to let kids make irreversible and dramatically life changing alterations to their bodies while they're still, you know, kids?
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Uncle Fester wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:I'm uncomfortable with gender dysphoria being put down as a mental health issue btw.

It's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
Fester - trans people believe they have been born in the wrong body.
Not trying to be rude snipping your post but in some cases, it's a bit more than believing. Women can have xy cells and surgeons have found a womb in a man who was father of 4 children.

We don't fully understand these things so until we do, I'll exercise the empathy option.

We do,fully understand that sex is binary in mammals. Big Gamete producer, small gamete producer. That’s it for biological sex.
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here we go ...... :lol:
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Uncle Fester wrote:
EverReady wrote:We are going for empathy....oh
You strike me as somebody who needs a hug.
I'd rather be fingered
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:I'm uncomfortable with gender dysphoria being put down as a mental health issue btw.

It's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
And then we all agreed that it wasnt and we should stop trying to "fix" them.

Or the exact opposite of this danger crap that teaches you not to accept who you are but to mutilate yourself horribly.

If a gay man said he feels he wants to be straight does a Doctor go along with that or encourage him to accept how he was born?

Funny how SJW switch that around isn't it
Which is why I'm okay with them having to wait till they are 18.

I don't believe the state should be helping anybody mutilate themselves or chemically alter their body.

For the same reason I don't want Beaumont running a gay conversion clinic.

You want to pay some "doctor" with your own money that's your business.
And our brief intersection of opinion has ended.

I'm happy to revise my opinion at a later date with more info but anything I've read so far suggests that "you have penis, you man" is a bit simplistic.

Or you know, a medical fact :lol:
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I see that the Supreme Court, in its infinite wisdom, has just signed the death knell to producing electricity by hydro plants in Ireland.
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Leinsterman wrote:0 deaths, 11 new cases.
Seems to be holding steady (in a good way).
When will the Dame Lane antics hit the numbers?
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Was chatting to a client today. Supposedly the SCBI and Enterprise Ireland loans for businesses are an absolute joke. Companies who need them can’t get the funding and very health companies who don’t are. Sounds exactly like the US Government’s PPP loans, corporate welfare.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Leinsterman wrote:0 deaths, 11 new cases.
Seems to be holding steady (in a good way).
When will the Dame Lane antics hit the numbers?
There would have to have been a spreader there, who physically sneezed all over other peoples faces. Given the rate of community transmission at the moment, there may will be no effect.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:I assume we're still talking about it being a bit dodge to let kids make irreversible and dramatically life changing alterations to their bodies while they're still, you know, kids?
Think everybody is agreement with that here.
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Yeah but Fester wants us to say no but then go AWWWWW and ruffle their hair
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rfurlong wrote:here we go ...... :lol:
Ignore function is great
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Strange decision by the supreme court today in relation to the ESB/UCC flooding case.
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Uncle Fester wrote:
rfurlong wrote:here we go ...... :lol:
Ignore function is great
You can't handle the truth
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EverReady wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
rfurlong wrote:here we go ...... :lol:
Ignore function is great
You can't handle the truth
He's probably chopping his knob off as we speak.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:Strange decision by the supreme court today in relation to the ESB/UCC flooding case.
Yep, the end of hydro electric in Ireland, and probably has consequences for Irish water's plan to pump water from the Shannon.
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