Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:13 pm

CM11 wrote:https://www.thejournal.ie/green-vincent ... 1-Aug2020/

Finally something important and reasonable from the Greens.

He’s right but he’ll get hammered for it, the permanently outraged of twitter will be, you guessed it, outraged. Play it behind closed doors in a neutral venue like Donnybrook. The kids have earned that much.

Lazy Couch potato · Post by **Lazy Couch potato** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:19 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:45 cases, 0 deaths

45 on a sat isn’t a good sign

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:21 pm

Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:45 cases, 0 deaths
45 on a sat isn’t a good sign

Still tiny numbers considering most of the country is back open - quite happy with those stats. The WHO said we have to learn to live with the virus.

danthefan · Post by **danthefan** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:30 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:
CM11 wrote:https://www.thejournal.ie/green-vincent ... 1-Aug2020/

Finally something important and reasonable from the Greens.
He’s right but he’ll get hammered for it, the permanently outraged of twitter will be, you guessed it, outraged. Play it behind closed doors in a neutral venue like Donnybrook. The kids have earned that much.

It's f**king sickening for them and their families, decent chance a good number have played their last game of rugby if it doesn't go ahead given the drop off after school. And there's no good reason not to play it at this point.

camroc1 · Post by **camroc1** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:31 pm

This is likely to be still the Kildare dog food factory and related Direct provision centre cases ?

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:34 pm

camroc1 wrote:This is likely to be still the Kildare dog food factory and related Direct provision centre cases ?

Dunno but they said almost 80% were under 45

Leinsterman · Post by **Leinsterman** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:46 pm

Donnelly said a significant proportion are linked to existing outbreaks/clusters.
That in itself is significant because it means the tracing is working quite well and they can hopefully limit it spreading.

In the UK one of the SAGE team is now saying "you might have to choose between pubs or schools..."

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:01 pm

Leinsterman wrote:Donnelly said a significant proportion are linked to existing outbreaks/clusters.
That in itself is significant because it means the tracing is working quite well and they can hopefully limit it spreading.

In the UK one of the SAGE team is now saying "you might have to choose between pubs or schools..."

Traditional pubs simply aren’t compatible with a viral pandemic. End of. The government needs to pay them to stay shut and pay the staff to stay off work. It’s shit but that’s life. Schools are different, they can’t stay closed.

Nolanator · Post by **Nolanator** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:15 pm

Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:45 cases, 0 deaths
45 on a sat isn’t a good sign

As per Richard Chambers, last 5 Saturdays have been 11, 23, 21, 24, 45.
Lady time there were this many on a Saturday was June 13th.

EverReady · Post by **EverReady** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:30 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:
Leinsterman wrote:Donnelly said a significant proportion are linked to existing outbreaks/clusters.
That in itself is significant because it means the tracing is working quite well and they can hopefully limit it spreading.

In the UK one of the SAGE team is now saying "you might have to choose between pubs or schools..."
Traditional pubs simply aren’t compatible with a viral pandemic. End of. The government needs to pay them to stay shut and pay the staff to stay off work. It’s shit but that’s life. Schools are different, they can’t stay closed.

Gyms and pubs he said. They sound like fun so off limits when 90 year olds are dying of consumption

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:30 pm

Pubs aren’t reopening on August 10th anyway, heard that today.

Panic stations again...the “hybrid” strategy goes on...

nardol · Post by **nardol** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:42 pm

Dutch infection rates off the chart

Yet no push for reversing lockdowns. Most that will happen here is likely local lockdowns.

Im back in the office now too.... And the Gym.

Much more relaxed attitude here. Both parents in law have had it now and recovered.

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:47 pm

Blackrock Bullet wrote:Pubs aren’t reopening on August 10th anyway, heard that today.

Panic stations again...the “hybrid” strategy goes on...

The hybrid strategy you argued for and now criticise?

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:48 pm

Mullet 2 wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:Pubs aren’t reopening on August 10th anyway, heard that today.

Panic stations again...the “hybrid” strategy goes on...
The hybrid strategy you argued for and now criticise?

Huh?

I’ve argued what I thought we were going for, control of the virus through good testing, tracing, good hygiene and social distancing.

“Hybrid” is between suppression and control, it is the worst of all worlds.

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:51 pm

nardol wrote:Dutch infection rates off the chart

Yet no push for reversing lockdowns. Most that will happen here is likely local lockdowns.

Im back in the office now too.... And the Gym.

Much more relaxed attitude here. Both parents in law have had it now and recovered.

It’s the same in another country that shall not be named. Everything ticking along with continued social distancing, people prepared to live with a level of risk, schools will be open in September and there is none of this war gaming we’re seeing elsewhere.

EverReady · Post by **EverReady** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:07 pm

The Dutch are cool. Weird but cool. Not Belgian weird just weird

camroc1 · Post by **camroc1** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:14 pm

EverReady wrote:The Dutch are cool. Weird but cool. Not Belgian weird just weird

And just doubled the number of deaths due to Covid in the NL to over 10,000. Apparently they forgot to add in their Nursing Home deaths until now.

Leinsterman · Post by **Leinsterman** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:21 pm

Gemma O'D permanently banned from Twitter.

Nolanator · Post by **Nolanator** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:37 pm

Saw that mentioned. Wonder what was finally the last straw, considering what she's put up in the past.

Edit. Assume she was losing her shit about Eid Mubarak in Croke Park?

EverReady · Post by **EverReady** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:39 pm

camroc1 wrote:
EverReady wrote:The Dutch are cool. Weird but cool. Not Belgian weird just weird
And just doubled the number of deaths due to Covid in the NL to over 10,000. Apparently they forgot to add in their Nursing Home deaths until now.

Easily done

Leinsterman · Post by **Leinsterman** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:00 pm

Nolanator wrote:Saw that mentioned. Wonder what was finally the last straw, considering what she's put up in the past.

Edit. Assume she was losing her shit about Eid Mubarak in Croke Park?

Quite possibly.
She's probably having angry hate sex with a guy with a grey beard and long hair right now.

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:25 pm

camroc1 wrote:
EverReady wrote:The Dutch are cool. Weird but cool. Not Belgian weird just weird
And just doubled the number of deaths due to Covid in the NL to over 10,000. Apparently they forgot to add in their Nursing Home deaths until now.

Only in Ireland /Nardol
The Netherlands are perfect /Sewa

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:28 pm

Leinsterman wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Saw that mentioned. Wonder what was finally the last straw, considering what she's put up in the past.

Edit. Assume she was losing her shit about Eid Mubarak in Croke Park?
Quite possibly.
She's probably having angry hate sex with a guy with a grey beard and long hair right now.

I’ve seen blokes do crazy shit for a shag but that is going the extra mile

nardol · Post by **nardol** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:34 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
EverReady wrote:The Dutch are cool. Weird but cool. Not Belgian weird just weird
And just doubled the number of deaths due to Covid in the NL to over 10,000. Apparently they forgot to add in their Nursing Home deaths until now.
Only in Ireland /Nardol
The Netherlands are perfect /Sewa

I didn't mention or refer to Ireland once

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:36 pm

nardol wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
EverReady wrote:The Dutch are cool. Weird but cool. Not Belgian weird just weird
And just doubled the number of deaths due to Covid in the NL to over 10,000. Apparently they forgot to add in their Nursing Home deaths until now.
Only in Ireland /Nardol
The Netherlands are perfect /Sewa
I didn't mention or refer to Ireland once

Get the fudge off our thread so

nardol · Post by **nardol** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:39 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:
nardol wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
EverReady wrote:The Dutch are cool. Weird but cool. Not Belgian weird just weird
And just doubled the number of deaths due to Covid in the NL to over 10,000. Apparently they forgot to add in their Nursing Home deaths until now.
Only in Ireland /Nardol
The Netherlands are perfect /Sewa
I didn't mention or refer to Ireland once
Get the fudge off our thread so

Nope

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:42 pm

Dutch infection rates off the chart

Yet no push for reversing lockdowns. Most that will happen here is likely local lockdowns.

Im back in the office now too.... And the Gym.

Much more relaxed attitude here. Both parents in law have had it now and recovered.

So you decided to post information about the Netherlands on an Irish thread but it was in no way related or meant as a comparison to Ireland? Okay kid.

nardol · Post by **nardol** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:54 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:
Dutch infection rates off the chart

Yet no push for reversing lockdowns. Most that will happen here is likely local lockdowns.

Im back in the office now too.... And the Gym.

Much more relaxed attitude here. Both parents in law have had it now and recovered.
So you decided to post information about the Netherlands on an Irish thread but it was in no way related or meant as a comparison to Ireland? Okay kid.

Reading comprehension not the best in Ireland I see.

Hint: i did reference Ireland there

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:19 am

Blackrock Bullet wrote:
nardol wrote:Dutch infection rates off the chart

Yet no push for reversing lockdowns. Most that will happen here is likely local lockdowns.

Im back in the office now too.... And the Gym.

Much more relaxed attitude here. Both parents in law have had it now and recovered.
It’s the same in another country that shall not be named. Everything ticking along with continued social distancing, people prepared to live with a level of risk, schools will be open in September and there is none of this war gaming we’re seeing elsewhere.

The country with the second worst death rate in the world? Keep citing that as a success, makes you look great.

quarter2four · Post by **quarter2four** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:29 am

EverReady wrote:The Dutch are cool. Weird but cool. Not Belgian weird just weird

Cool in some ways but the flipside is cold hearted individualism. Lived there for a couple of years and when I got some insights into their psyche was glad to come back to the craic.

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:52 am

Belgium, the U.K., Spain, Italy and likely the Netherlands (given what Cammy posted above) have worse death rates but what are facts, eh?

Anyway, this goes for other Scandinavian countries as well, including the ones who locked down swiftly. Acting swiftly was one thing, but honesty and transparency is another. There isn’t talk and a fear of a “second wave” there as they took a grown up attitude to it there, rather than moving from risk mitigation to OTT safetyism. At least it hasn’t become a political weapon in Ireland like it has in the US though.

We shall see what happens during the week anyway with the Phase 4 openings.

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:57 am

nardol wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Dutch infection rates off the chart

Yet no push for reversing lockdowns. Most that will happen here is likely local lockdowns.

Im back in the office now too.... And the Gym.

Much more relaxed attitude here. Both parents in law have had it now and recovered.
So you decided to post information about the Netherlands on an Irish thread but it was in no way related or meant as a comparison to Ireland? Okay kid.
Reading comprehension not the best in Ireland I see.

Hint: i did reference Ireland there

I wouldn’t worry, comparisons are only allowed on here when they suit.

Nothing wrong with comparing attitudes and approaches in different places. Lads on here had no problem in lobbing bombs at the U.K. in here a couple of weeks ago.

I wonder when we will finally just take an EU approach to all of this? It’s the easy out for politicians all over the continent. I know some of them are enjoying playing the leadership role, with a wall of money behind them at the moment, but that can’t go on surely.

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:10 am

Some interesting stats on retail spending in Ireland and recovery to June

https://twitter.com/rlydon2/status/1288 ... 92064?s=21

https://twitter.com/seamusmcguinnes/sta ... 5048355840

Ireland’s unemployment rate was 22% in June. Job loss rates were > 75% in sectors such as Personal Services , Accomodation and Food. Here we propose a strategy for directing employment supports at new claimants at greatest risk of long term unemployment.

Very interesting paper here from the ESRI linked, worth a read. Tallies with the need for more direct supports vs. just wholesale stimulus.

Also, I wish the FT could put together similar for Ireland;

https://www.ft.com/content/272354f2-f97 ... 8c4baf8f4a

EverReady · Post by **EverReady** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:22 am

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/c ... 16411.html

He's dreamy

lorcanoworms · Post by **lorcanoworms** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:25 am

Struggling to write a song about Lardon and Sewage.
The Nardol's the kind of man
Who drinks his lager from a can
Any can when he can.
Let us go to the banks of the canal.
And dear mullet remembers that for him
he often see his untrue stories in his eyes.

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:48 pm

Speaking to the same programme, consultant in infectious disease at The Mater Hospital Dr Jack Lambert said the solution was not to wait and see and have more restrictive processes in place than our EU neighbours.

He said we need to have a plan that is viable and sustainable and work with Covid-19 in the long run.

Dr Lambert said Covid-19 is not a short-term problem and will go on for around three years, adding that we cannot stay in lockdown for three years.

He said the economy and public health needed to be balanced, but with health of course being the priority.

Dr Lambert said the big problem in front of us is the domestic transmission of the virus here, rather than cases related to travel abroad

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/08 ... ronavirus/

Infectious diseases expert Prof Jack Lambert has said it is not “the right message” to be saying that “if we open up the pubs then the schools won’t be able to open in September”.

The UCD associate professor also said he did not believe the State’s restrictive travel policy is the answer to dealing with Covid-19.

He said there were fewer cases of Covid-19 in Northern Ireland than in the Republic even though the South has a more restrictive travel policy.

“We have to focus on where the clusters are in Ireland,” he said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... 4?mode=amp

Another expert calling for sustainable, long term measures and the end of trying to be the clever boys in class playing schools off businesses.

Botha Boy · Post by **Botha Boy** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:14 pm

53 new cases and zero deaths today ...

Was gonna have a (outdoors, distancing, tracing, etc, of course !) barbecue today but, as I am about 2 km from a certain dog food factory which had 34 new cases on its own, I had to bin it as an idea last Thursday.

It's all a bit of a pain in the hole, but no point being front page news next week if you can help it.

CM11 · Post by **CM11** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:24 pm

All but 4 of the cases are connected to an outbreak/previous case. Hopefully we're coming to the end of this mini spike.

camroc1 · Post by **camroc1** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:27 pm

CM11 wrote:All but 4 of the cases are connected to an outbreak/previous case. Hopefully we're coming to the end of this mini spike.

And it confirms that the trace and test system is working as it should.

Botha Boy · Post by **Botha Boy** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:54 pm

camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:All but 4 of the cases are connected to an outbreak/previous case. Hopefully we're coming to the end of this mini spike.
And it confirms that the trace and test system is working as it should.

I hope your optimism is on target. Sunday and a Bank Holiday generally give lagging reporting ... we need to check in by the end of the week to see if we are under control or not. If we continue to spike sooner, then things are not good.

Stay Safe !