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Flametop wrote:So no parents allowed to watch their kids play underage matches then?

Drop off and come back and collect an hour or two later?
The GAA have basically called NPHET out. Show us your evidence. Somebody had to say it. Their message is now too inconsistent and people will just start ignoring them. The bottom line is that people won’t believe them until the bodies start piling up - that’s callous but it’s the reality - nobody is going to keep their life in stasis, risking their future, when there are just 8 people in the entire county in ICU with this virus.
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Sadly, I can see a 'clarification' u turn on this. It's already led to canceled underage matches.
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We have roughly 500 cases of HIV a year here. A little more for Hepatitis C, around 750 a year. These viruses were once new too and also caused great concern at the time. Both are serious life long potentially fatal conditions that require significant medical resources. We adapted to both and learned to live with extra precautions and risk. Covid will probably end up somewhere around this, maybe up to ten times the absolute numbers but in terms of resources. We need to get out act together pronto because nobody would consider lockdown appropriate for Hep C.
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State of NPHET
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Flametop wrote:So no parents allowed to watch their kids play underage matches then?

Drop off and come back and collect an hour or two later?
The end of the Dads living through 10 year olds can only be positive
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Duff Paddy wrote:
Flametop wrote:So no parents allowed to watch their kids play underage matches then?

Drop off and come back and collect an hour or two later?
The GAA have basically called NPHET out. Show us your evidence. Somebody had to say it. Their message is now too inconsistent and people will just start ignoring them. The bottom line is that people won’t believe them until the bodies start piling up - that’s callous but it’s the reality - nobody is going to keep their life in stasis, risking their future, when there are just 8 people in the entire county in ICU with this virus.

It's the great irony

The more your measures work the more idiots say they arent needed in the first place.

The Y2K phoneonem
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Duff Paddy wrote:We have roughly 500 cases of HIV a year here. A little more for Hepatitis C, around 750 a year. These viruses were once new too and also caused great concern at the time. Both are serious life long potentially fatal conditions that require significant medical resources. We adapted to both and learned to live with extra precautions and risk. Covid will probably end up somewhere around this, maybe up to ten times the absolute numbers but in terms of resources. We need to get out act together pronto because nobody would consider lockdown appropriate for Hep C.
How does Hep C transmit from one person to the next? Blood isn't it? So yeah, nobody would consider lockdown appropriate because it would be absolutely nuts.
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Flametop wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Flametop wrote:So no parents allowed to watch their kids play underage matches then?

Drop off and come back and collect an hour or two later?
Ill thought out.
Yep. Not great for child welfare protection policy either.

Yeah basically everybody is a paedo these days
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danthefan wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:We have roughly 500 cases of HIV a year here. A little more for Hepatitis C, around 750 a year. These viruses were once new too and also caused great concern at the time. Both are serious life long potentially fatal conditions that require significant medical resources. We adapted to both and learned to live with extra precautions and risk. Covid will probably end up somewhere around this, maybe up to ten times the absolute numbers but in terms of resources. We need to get out act together pronto because nobody would consider lockdown appropriate for Hep C.
How does Hep C transmit from one person to the next? Blood isn't it? So yeah, nobody would consider lockdown appropriate because it would be absolutely nuts.
Way to miss the point Dan - I meant in terms of the burden
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Flametop wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Flametop wrote:So no parents allowed to watch their kids play underage matches then?

Drop off and come back and collect an hour or two later?
Ill thought out.
Yep. Not great for child welfare protection policy either.

Yeah basically everybody is a paedo these days
Guy wearing a tracksuit hanging around kids = Jimmy Saville
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Flamer wants the schools gone too I take it.

You can't be leaving your kids alone for 4 hours with a teacher you've told them to listen to.

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Mullet 2 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Flametop wrote:So no parents allowed to watch their kids play underage matches then?

Drop off and come back and collect an hour or two later?
The GAA have basically called NPHET out. Show us your evidence. Somebody had to say it. Their message is now too inconsistent and people will just start ignoring them. The bottom line is that people won’t believe them until the bodies start piling up - that’s callous but it’s the reality - nobody is going to keep their life in stasis, risking their future, when there are just 8 people in the entire county in ICU with this virus.

It's the great irony

The more your measures work the more idiots say they arent needed in the first place.

The Y2K phoneonem
Sure let’s ban all cars because 200 people die each year on the roads.
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Flametop wrote:So no parents allowed to watch their kids play underage matches then?

Drop off and come back and collect an hour or two later?
The GAA have basically called NPHET out. Show us your evidence. Somebody had to say it. Their message is now too inconsistent and people will just start ignoring them. The bottom line is that people won’t believe them until the bodies start piling up - that’s callous but it’s the reality - nobody is going to keep their life in stasis, risking their future, when there are just 8 people in the entire county in ICU with this virus.

It's the great irony

The more your measures work the more idiots say they arent needed in the first place.

The Y2K phoneonem
Ah it's becoming a bit scattergun.
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Duff Paddy wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Flametop wrote:So no parents allowed to watch their kids play underage matches then?

Drop off and come back and collect an hour or two later?
The GAA have basically called NPHET out. Show us your evidence. Somebody had to say it. Their message is now too inconsistent and people will just start ignoring them. The bottom line is that people won’t believe them until the bodies start piling up - that’s callous but it’s the reality - nobody is going to keep their life in stasis, risking their future, when there are just 8 people in the entire county in ICU with this virus.

It's the great irony

The more your measures work the more idiots say they arent needed in the first place.

The Y2K phoneonem
Sure let’s ban all cars because 200 people die each year on the roads.
Let's use more stawmen instead.
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Scattergun my hole

If this was a war generation Poland would just be gone and the invasion of France not even started and you lads would be protesting about the lack of silk stockings and demanding to leave your lights on and windows open. Cam would be moaning loudly about the noise of the troop trains on Ranalgh cafes

Man the fúck up.
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Mullet 2 wrote:Scattergun my hole

If this was a war generation Poland would just be gone and the invasion of France not even started and you lads would be protesting about the lack of silk stockings and demanding to leave your lights on and windows open. Cam would be moaning loudly about the noise of the troop trains on Ranalgh cafes

Man the fúck up.
Tell it to all the people whose jobs have disappeared. It’s easy to say when you can work from home in a permanent and pensionable job. The lockdown was of course absolutely the right option at the time. They need to have their track and trace systems working properly now though. Lockdowns should no longer be necessary. It’s a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
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Duff Paddy wrote:
Flametop wrote:So no parents allowed to watch their kids play underage matches then?

Drop off and come back and collect an hour or two later?
The GAA have basically called NPHET out. Show us your evidence. Somebody had to say it. Their message is now too inconsistent and people will just start ignoring them. The bottom line is that people won’t believe them until the bodies start piling up - that’s callous but it’s the reality - nobody is going to keep their life in stasis, risking their future, when there are just 8 people in the entire county in ICU with this virus.
The last time the NPHET were asked for evidence they provided a couple of newspaper clippings. I wouldn’t be confident.
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Duff Paddy wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Scattergun my hole

If this was a war generation Poland would just be gone and the invasion of France not even started and you lads would be protesting about the lack of silk stockings and demanding to leave your lights on and windows open. Cam would be moaning loudly about the noise of the troop trains on Ranalgh cafes

Man the fúck up.
Tell it to all the people whose jobs have disappeared. It’s easy to say when you can work from home in a permanent and pensionable job. The lockdown was of course absolutely the right option at the time. They need to have their track and trace systems working properly now though. Lockdowns should no longer be necessary. It’s a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
So fúcking away all those jobs for nothing now will bring them back will it?

You compared 200 annual road deaths to 2,300 deaths in 6 months. You need to find your inner store of manhood and dig in. Its embarrassing.
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Scattergun my hole

If this was a war generation Poland would just be gone and the invasion of France not even started and you lads would be protesting about the lack of silk stockings and demanding to leave your lights on and windows open. Cam would be moaning loudly about the noise of the troop trains on Ranalgh cafes

Man the fúck up.
Tell it to all the people whose jobs have disappeared. It’s easy to say when you can work from home in a permanent and pensionable job. The lockdown was of course absolutely the right option at the time. They need to have their track and trace systems working properly now though. Lockdowns should no longer be necessary. It’s a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
So fúcking away all those jobs for nothing now will bring them back will it?

You compared 200 annual road deaths to 2,300 deaths in 6 months. You need to find your inner store of manhood and dig in. Its embarrassing.
Deaths in the past month with covid? 21. Hand in your Reagan Supporters card.
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Who was the lad going on about Rambo again?

“Man the fudge up”
“Find your inner manhood”

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Looks like most western countries have tried to "middle of the road" the solution with the intention of keeping some people happy. Example being the shoe-horning of some pubs in to resataurants but leaving others closed. This has just had the effect of making people confused even though it is well meaning. Go hard or go home as they say in China.
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Duff Paddy wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Scattergun my hole

If this was a war generation Poland would just be gone and the invasion of France not even started and you lads would be protesting about the lack of silk stockings and demanding to leave your lights on and windows open. Cam would be moaning loudly about the noise of the troop trains on Ranalgh cafes

Man the fúck up.
Tell it to all the people whose jobs have disappeared. It’s easy to say when you can work from home in a permanent and pensionable job. The lockdown was of course absolutely the right option at the time. They need to have their track and trace systems working properly now though. Lockdowns should no longer be necessary. It’s a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
So fúcking away all those jobs for nothing now will bring them back will it?

You compared 200 annual road deaths to 2,300 deaths in 6 months. You need to find your inner store of manhood and dig in. Its embarrassing.
Deaths in the past month with covid? 21. Hand in your Reagan Supporters card.
How many Road deaths seen as that is your analogy?

Can you catch road death btw?
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Yes.

And the lockdown and cocooning was the appropriate response, and flattened the curve and stopped our hospitals, particularly ICU beds from being overwhelmed. And having a roadmap, which gave dates for slowly opening up again was correct, and we opened up, some parts more quickly than others, and that was correct. And then we saw a secondary surge start to appear, and we slowed down a bit, just to see what was happening. and that was OK.

But that was a month ago, when the opening of the "wet pubs" was postponed. And we've been into that secondary surge for that time, gradual at first, but since 31 July, when we had 35 cases, we've been regularly over 50 cases a day (which number seems to be when track and trace begins to have problems), with peaks of 174, 200 and 190 cases.

Yet, as DP pointed out, we only have 7 people with covid in ICU beds in the country ( 4 on ventilators), in a total of 20 covid cases in the entire hospital system.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/ne ... t-2020.pdf


So despite the surge in cases, we are not seeing the 2/3 week lagged surge in hospital cases that we saw in March, and we are not seeing the consequent surge in deaths. Yet instead of easing up further, the government is instead tightening the screws. At the moment the science, as published by the HSE, is saying that we are not in trouble with our hospitals, so why the fúck are we locking down further ?
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Boxcar Ira wrote:Looks like most western countries have tried to "middle of the road" the solution with the intention of keeping some people happy. Example being the shoe-horning of some pubs in to resataurants but leaving others closed. This has just had the effect of making people confused even though it is well meaning. Go hard or go home as they say in China.

Seems so

The pubs are a clear case of the cabinet ignoring NPHET but instead of the people who called for this to happen supporting it they went straight on the attack.

Pubs can open as restaurants -- why not all pubs they're the same
You can have 200 at a game - why not 500

Can't win, we're a pathetic people who have gone from bond experts to epidemiologists in 7 years
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More braindeadery from Cam

"We stopped and that was right and it worked so now we should open up more again."

Good man :lol:
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Boxcar Ira wrote:Looks like most western countries have tried to "middle of the road" the solution with the intention of keeping some people happy. Example being the shoe-horning of some pubs in to resataurants but leaving others closed. This has just had the effect of making people confused even though it is well meaning. Go hard or go home as they say in China.

Seems so

The pubs are a clear case of the cabinet ignoring NPHET but instead of the people who called for this to happen supporting it they went straight on the attack.

Pubs can open as restaurants -- why not all pubs they're the same
You can have 200 at a game - why not 500 hundred
And as I pointed out yesterday, using the HSE's own stats, only 13 clusters/outbreaks of Covid have been transmitted at hotels, public houses, retail outlet, travel related or other (includes sports) out of a total number of clusters/outbreaks of 1,537. That is less than 1%.

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So what?

13 people at an r rate of 2 beomes alot of people very quickly.

I'm frankly bored of you picking numbers out of your hole and using your minus years of medical studies to break then down for us.
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Mullet 2 wrote:More braindeadery from Cam

"We stopped and that was right and it worked so now we should open up more again."

Good man :lol:
We stopped for a reason, to stop our hospitals and, in particular our ICUs, being overwhelmed and it worked. And we got the numbers of covid cases in hospitals, and, in particular our ICUs down to small manageable numbers. And then we started opening up, and the numbers in our hospitals/ICUs remained small and manageable. And then we had a secondary surge of cases, but the numbers in our hospitals/ICUs remained small and steady. So we started locking down again.

Where's the logic in that ? That's not science, that's sticking your finger in the air and saying more cases must equal more hospital admissions because that's what happened last time. Let's be sure, to be sure.
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The logic is that despite your complete lack of evidence there is no case that this disease has become any less virulent.

It is only a matter of time before the younger cohort whom are getting infected pass it to the at risk categories. Unless you propose walling them off in a ghetto
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Until people start dying again you should plough on


Like fúck off
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Mullet 2 wrote:Scattergun my hole

If this was a war generation Poland would just be gone and the invasion of France not even started and you lads would be protesting about the lack of silk stockings and demanding to leave your lights on and windows open. Cam would be moaning loudly about the noise of the troop trains on Ranalgh cafes

Man the fúck up.
War time :lol: The only similarity to war time is us being driven into a depression the likes the country hasn't seen in generations by massive knickers like you. Mainly because they can't admit they got it wrong and being fairly sensible was enough.
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Mullet 2 wrote:So what?

13 people at an r rate of 2 beomes alot of people very quickly.

I'm frankly bored of you picking numbers out of your hole and using your minus years of medical studies to break then down for us.
Firstly, there is no accurate method of estimating the R0 figure on the sample sizes we currently have in Ireland. Secondly, the figures I am using are not "picked out of my hole". They are HSE numbers, published daily. Thirdly, I spent 3 years of my college life studying statistics and probability, you don't need a medical degree to analyse figures produced by those that do.
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Mullet 2 wrote:Until people start dying again you should plough on


Like fúck off
Like people dying over the winter. Yeah that sounds I'll be a huge surprise to us all
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Scattergun my hole

If this was a war generation Poland would just be gone and the invasion of France not even started and you lads would be protesting about the lack of silk stockings and demanding to leave your lights on and windows open. Cam would be moaning loudly about the noise of the troop trains on Ranalgh cafes

Man the fúck up.
Tell it to all the people whose jobs have disappeared. It’s easy to say when you can work from home in a permanent and pensionable job. The lockdown was of course absolutely the right option at the time. They need to have their track and trace systems working properly now though. Lockdowns should no longer be necessary. It’s a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
So fúcking away all those jobs for nothing now will bring them back will it?

You compared 200 annual road deaths to 2,300 deaths in 6 months. You need to find your inner store of manhood and dig in. Its embarrassing.
Deaths in the past month with covid? 21. Hand in your Reagan Supporters card.
How many Road deaths seen as that is your analogy?

Can you catch road death btw?
I don’t think you get the concept of an analogy
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EverReady wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Until people start dying again you should plough on


Like fúck off
Like people dying over the winter. Yeah that sounds I'll be a huge surprise to us all
The other issue is people with serious health issues being labelled as covid deaths even though they only died with covid not of it
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camroc1 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:So what?

13 people at an r rate of 2 beomes alot of people very quickly.

I'm frankly bored of you picking numbers out of your hole and using your minus years of medical studies to break then down for us.
Firstly, there is no accurate method of estimating the R0 figure on the sample sizes we currently have in Ireland. Secondly, the figures I am using are not "picked out of my hole". They are HSE numbers, published daily. Thirdly, I spent 3 years of my college life studying statistics and probability, you don't need a medical degree to analyse figures produced by those that do.
And the HSE and NPHET see the numbers differently.

Maybe ring them up and explain how as an engineer you know better. Like Paddy the party planner.
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Actually the analogy was crap and is the same one gun nuts use in the states but plough on anyway.

How many road deaths last month? More or less than 21?
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Duff Paddy wrote:
EverReady wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Until people start dying again you should plough on


Like fúck off
Like people dying over the winter. Yeah that sounds I'll be a huge surprise to us all
The other issue is people with serious health issues being labelled as covid deaths even though they only died with covid not of it
NPHET probably didn't think of that either. Tell Camroc to mention it when he rings

This from the poster who rightly lampoons lads thinking they know more about rugby than Joe. :lol:
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Duff Paddy wrote:
EverReady wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Until people start dying again you should plough on


Like fúck off
Like people dying over the winter. Yeah that sounds I'll be a huge surprise to us all
The other issue is people with serious health issues being labelled as covid deaths even though they only died with covid not of it
Whether or not you are taking the piss that is absolutely the case. There has been a total loss of collective bowels here and tbh I feel like I am living in the Matrix it is that stupid. With that in mind the lack of money for mental health services will be another worry
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My sister lives in Kildare and normally shops in Edenderry Offaly but cannot go there as the Guards are turning everyody back.
Costing her and two of my nieces a fortune shopping locally, kids are bored stiff.
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