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This is NPHET against the government. NPHET have played what they think is their trump card. If the government accede, NPHET will have us in lockdown until the Spring. If the government tell them to fúck off, NPHET will have been called out as calling "wolf" one too many times.
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camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:58 pm This is NPHET against the government. NPHET have played what they think is their trump card. If the government accede, NPHET will have us in lockdown until the Spring. If the government tell them to fúck off, NPHET will have been called out as calling "wolf" one too many times.
When having a Coalition comes back to bite you in the arse ...
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camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:58 pm This is NPHET against the government. NPHET have played what they think is their trump card. If the government accede, NPHET will have us in lockdown until the Spring. If the government tell them to fúck off, NPHET will have been called out as calling "wolf" one too many times.
NPHET didn’t have manners put on them weeks ago. Martin bottled it. This was lost then.

It’s really no coincidence that Holohan is back.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:04 pm
camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:58 pm This is NPHET against the government. NPHET have played what they think is their trump card. If the government accede, NPHET will have us in lockdown until the Spring. If the government tell them to fúck off, NPHET will have been called out as calling "wolf" one too many times.
NPHET didn’t have manners put on them weeks ago. Martin bottled it. This was lost then.

It’s really no coincidence that Holohan is back.
A quick vox pop of my myriad whatsapp threads indicates 0% support for the NPHET. Would have been near 100% for the initial lockdown.
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:52 pm
MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:51 pm Any one have any idea when a decision will be made? Are we talking about the end if the wk ?

I think itll be level 4
Level 4, level 5 - makes no real difference, very few people will be listening.
There's a long term danger that institutions come out with a tattered reputation. It's fun to dismiss us as piss soaked weirdos but we're the centre ground(and it's not just us).
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Why are Donegal and Derry going off the charts with infections?
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https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/ ... 27361?s=19


This shit doesn't help matters. Fúcking morons.
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Zico wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:42 am Why are Donegal and Derry going off the charts with infections?
They are not necessarily Covid infections, They are positive PCR results. Belfast is testing higher than Derry. But people want to link Derry and Donegal as a hotspot.

The bulk of the positives are Pillar 2 testing in the community. Comes in at a solid 3-5% of the total number of tests.
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paddyor wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:55 am Image
Case data clearly decoupled from clinical outcomes, so stop responding to it.
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Botha Boy wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:09 am
paddyor wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:55 am Image
Case data clearly decoupled from clinical outcomes, so stop responding to it.
We're probably doing a lot more tests now than then as well. Think they were targeting 15k a week back then and often struggling to get there. Now they can do 15k a day.
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Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:17 am https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/ ... 27361?s=19


This shit doesn't help matters. Fúcking morons.
Gary is a Glen man
:lol: The first few comments under that are all fück off Gary.
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I'm actually still in a pisser. They're going to go to level 4 and it's going to be fúcking shit. And it's dark and pussy.

You can still fúcking do shit and maintain some social responsibility, but gathering in crowds like that is moronic. Even if the spread from it is minimal, it's awful optics and only encourages Tony to give the entire class detention to make a point.


Cünts.



Edit, lol. Dark and pussy. Clearly got other stuff on my mind informing my views.
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Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:17 am https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/ ... 27361?s=19


This shit doesn't help matters. Fúcking morons.
This is exactly what's wrong, groups like this ignoring the basic rules, while you've other breaking their balls/business/etc. Enforcement is the problem I'm sure it the governament tried cutting funding the Glenn rovers for a year or two they might cop on.
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MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:09 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:17 am https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/ ... 27361?s=19


This shit doesn't help matters. Fúcking morons.
This is exactly what's wrong, groups like this ignoring the basic rules, while you've other breaking their balls/business/etc. Enforcement is the problem I'm sure it the governament tried cutting funding the Glenn rovers for a year or two they might cop on.
You must be spitting tacks looking at that shite if your small business has been decimated over the last few months tbf.
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MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:09 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:17 am https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/ ... 27361?s=19


This shit doesn't help matters. Fúcking morons.
This is exactly what's wrong, groups like this ignoring the basic rules, while you've other breaking their balls/business/etc. Enforcement is the problem I'm sure it the governament tried cutting funding the Glenn rovers for a year or two they might cop on.
Exactly. Dish out punishments take make examples, actually fime individuals for taking the piss and publicise it so that people know that there are consequences.
Don't just fück the entire country into the stone age.

Al reports indicate Tony going on a solo run as soon as he's come back. No-one expected it, noises have all been about maintaining current levels for a bit, not jumping 2/3.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1005/116940 ... -covid-19/
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All the lads are from the Glen
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Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:50 am I'm actually still in a pisser. They're going to go to level 4 and it's going to be fúcking shit. And it's dark and pussy.

You can still fúcking do shit and maintain some social responsibility, but gathering in crowds like that is moronic. Even if the spread from it is minimal, it's awful optics and only encourages Tony to give the entire class detention to make a point.


Cünts.
Me too. The NPHET appear to have thrown a tantrum basically.
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Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:15 am
MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:09 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:17 am https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/ ... 27361?s=19


This shit doesn't help matters. Fúcking morons.
This is exactly what's wrong, groups like this ignoring the basic rules, while you've other breaking their balls/business/etc. Enforcement is the problem I'm sure it the governament tried cutting funding the Glenn rovers for a year or two they might cop on.
Exactly. Dish out punishments take make examples, actually fime individuals for taking the piss and publicise it so that people know that there are consequences.
Don't just fück the entire country into the stone age.

Al reports indicate Tony going on a solo run as soon as he's come back. No-one expected it, noises have all been about maintaining current levels for a bit, not jumping 2/3.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1005/116940 ... -covid-19/

Tony has been at home with a very sick relative for weeks - it’s not surprising that he’d have a fairly hardline view of the situation. We have a panel of people who are all public sector employees and entirely insulated from the impending mother of all recessions - this is why we elect politicians and not public health officials to run the country
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paddyor wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:30 pm If Trump dies we're probably f**ked and the zealous PH officials will all get their way.
:lol: :lol:

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Quinny says the IRFU will be out of money by December if we go to level 5.

I wonder how long Aer Lingus will last.
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All the Tony is our dad memes going around. Fück off. For all of you crapping on about a few lads having a parade when do you think we stop with this shit? November? Nope. December? Nope. March? Nope. When we have a vaccine. Probably months after that. That could be 12 months away. Optimistically. What did we do before we had a flu vaccine? Fück all is the answer bar GP's telling Bridie to be careful and wrap up. Get your shit together and step away from the curtains.
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EverReady wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:35 am All the Tony is our dad memes going around. Fück off. For all of you crapping on about a few lads having a parade when do you think we stop with this shit? November? Nope. December? Nope. March? Nope. When we have a vaccine. Probably months after that. That could be 12 months away. Optimistically. What did we do before we had a flu vaccine? Fück all is the answer bar GP's telling Bridie to be careful and wrap up. Get your shit together and step away from the curtains.
He communicated well and fair play to the man given the personal stress he was under but....

Cases went down because you locked people at home. They really didn’t do anything. We were told to stay home and save lives whilst they boosted capacity and built a South Korean level test and trace system. Instead when given months of the summer on contact tracing with fudge all cases, NPHET met up to tinker with rules that they were never really tracking the efficacy of.

I put up worries on here in April as things didn’t stack up. There were 3 conditions at the time that Varadkar had vaguely set for the end goal and despite us getting there, there was little to no discussion of any reopening of the economy. Too many people got a bit drunk off the the feel good vibes people had as we “crushed the curve”.
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How come we never see Eveready and Derwyn at the same time.
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On schools and crèches the pdf document states for level 5 ‘Recommendations based on precise situation and evidence at time’
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Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:15 am
MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:09 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:17 am https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/ ... 27361?s=19


This shit doesn't help matters. Fúcking morons.
This is exactly what's wrong, groups like this ignoring the basic rules, while you've other breaking their balls/business/etc. Enforcement is the problem I'm sure it the governament tried cutting funding the Glenn rovers for a year or two they might cop on.
Exactly. Dish out punishments take make examples, actually fime individuals for taking the piss and publicise it so that people know that there are consequences.
Don't just fück the entire country into the stone age.

Al reports indicate Tony going on a solo run as soon as he's come back. No-one expected it, noises have all been about maintaining current levels for a bit, not jumping 2/3.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1005/116940 ... -covid-19/
I think there would be a backlash if they are too heavy handed and we might end up with the situation of idiots protesting against the punishments.

Taking the example of that parade - you can't punish everyone who was there, if you only punish some people it's seen as unfair.

The government are in a tough position, they need to change public opinion. Loads of people are against restrictions now so they need to be unified and clear in their messaging like they were back in March, but that's never going to happen now.
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If nothing else, the government should be absolutely livid that this was leaked to the press in time for the Monday morning news cycle, before government was informed. It is a blatant attempt to bounce the government into a particular action, which is not the job of NPHET, and whoever leaked should be dismissed from the committee for starters.
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Who broke the news first?
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:20 am Who broke the news first?
RTE
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camroc1 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:11 am If nothing else, the government should be absolutely livid that this was leaked to the press in time for the Monday morning news cycle, before government was informed. It is a blatant attempt to bounce the government into a particular action, which is not the job of NPHET, and whoever leaked should be dismissed from the committee for starters.
I must admit that it's quite funny that the day Holohan came back that he went to this way of "doing business". Varadkar must feel like a mug.

It is no surprise this happened, NPHET have been in a little PR tiff with Varadkar for 6 weeks now. That Currency article sent them over the edge.
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camroc1 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:11 am If nothing else, the government should be absolutely livid that this was leaked to the press in time for the Monday morning news cycle, before government was informed. It is a blatant attempt to bounce the government into a particular action, which is not the job of NPHET, and whoever leaked should be dismissed from the committee for starters.
Sure one of them was on the radio this morning, they are not in any way controlled.
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de_Selby wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:02 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:15 am
MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:09 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:17 am https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/ ... 27361?s=19


This shit doesn't help matters. Fúcking morons.
This is exactly what's wrong, groups like this ignoring the basic rules, while you've other breaking their balls/business/etc. Enforcement is the problem I'm sure it the governament tried cutting funding the Glenn rovers for a year or two they might cop on.
Exactly. Dish out punishments take make examples, actually fime individuals for taking the piss and publicise it so that people know that there are consequences.
Don't just fück the entire country into the stone age.

Al reports indicate Tony going on a solo run as soon as he's come back. No-one expected it, noises have all been about maintaining current levels for a bit, not jumping 2/3.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1005/116940 ... -covid-19/
I think there would be a backlash if they are too heavy handed and we might end up with the situation of idiots protesting against the punishments.

Taking the example of that parade - you can't punish everyone who was there, if you only punish some people it's seen as unfair.

The government are in a tough position, they need to change public opinion. Loads of people are against restrictions now so they need to be unified and clear in their messaging like they were back in March, but that's never going to happen now.
Lots of people are against restrictions but I still think the majority of the public will support NPHET recommendations. A huge section of the population either have an underlying health condition or have a close family member in that position. People put themselves first not sectors of business and industry that don’t directly affect them . Poor Ciara Kelly is getting torn to pieces for suggesting we’re going too far at a major cost to the country
https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/statu ... 00192?s=21
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camroc1 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:11 am If nothing else, the government should be absolutely livid that this was leaked to the press in time for the Monday morning news cycle, before government was informed. It is a blatant attempt to bounce the government into a particular action, which is not the job of NPHET, and whoever leaked should be dismissed from the committee for starters.
First thing I thought last night and Luke was just saying it on Newstalk.
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Conspicuous wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:29 am
de_Selby wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:02 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:15 am
MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:09 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:17 am https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/ ... 27361?s=19


This shit doesn't help matters. Fúcking morons.
This is exactly what's wrong, groups like this ignoring the basic rules, while you've other breaking their balls/business/etc. Enforcement is the problem I'm sure it the governament tried cutting funding the Glenn rovers for a year or two they might cop on.
Exactly. Dish out punishments take make examples, actually fime individuals for taking the piss and publicise it so that people know that there are consequences.
Don't just fück the entire country into the stone age.

Al reports indicate Tony going on a solo run as soon as he's come back. No-one expected it, noises have all been about maintaining current levels for a bit, not jumping 2/3.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1005/116940 ... -covid-19/
I think there would be a backlash if they are too heavy handed and we might end up with the situation of idiots protesting against the punishments.

Taking the example of that parade - you can't punish everyone who was there, if you only punish some people it's seen as unfair.

The government are in a tough position, they need to change public opinion. Loads of people are against restrictions now so they need to be unified and clear in their messaging like they were back in March, but that's never going to happen now.
Lots of people are against restrictions but I still think the majority of the public will support NPHET recommendations. A huge section of the population either have an underlying health condition or have a close family member in that position. People put themselves first not sectors of business and industry that don’t directly affect them . Poor Ciara Kelly is getting torn to pieces for suggesting we’re going too far at a major cost to the country
https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/statu ... 00192?s=21
If they do support it they are fücking idiots but they do not support level 5
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camroc1 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:11 am If nothing else, the government should be absolutely livid that this was leaked to the press in time for the Monday morning news cycle, before government was informed. It is a blatant attempt to bounce the government into a particular action, which is not the job of NPHET, and whoever leaked should be dismissed from the committee for starters.
It's been said before, but NPHET have been in the spotlight too much in general. They should be just advising the govt in the background and leave it to them to do the messaging.
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Regarding that parade, as an example. I'd like to see something fairly severe like a significant fine for the club, or central funding withdrawn for a year. Stripping them of the title seems extreme, but there needs to be some accountability where stuff like this happens.
If it's students on the lash in Galway, it's a lot harder to point the finger, as the university is hardly responsible for how people behave in their own time.

My mum is quite upset at this on a personal level. She was already restricted to window visits to her 94 year old dad in the home, now it'll be nothing at all. And she's noticed that his general disposition is markedly improved when he has regular interaction with family members. He's improved massively since he was isolated during lockdown (recovering from hip surgery and my granny died at the same time).
Now he'll be back to text messages read out by the staff. It's fúcking shit.
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Micheál was warned a few weeks ago to slap them into line but he decided to be super Covid as we headed into the big increase in numbers period. Fücking idiot and will the public thank him. Will they fück
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The NPHET superfans are crazy, it's at football fan level of defensiveness. The idea that they are beyond reproach is hilarious, the same eejits who said no Level 3 on Thursday but then went for Level 5 on the Sunday. They've lost a serious amount of credibility in the last month, it's quite clear they have no idea how to properly control the virus.
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EverReady wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:47 am Micheál was warned a few weeks ago to slap them into line but he decided to be super Covid as we headed into the big increase in numbers period. Fücking idiot and will the public thank him. Will they fück
Yup. NPHET threw himself and Varadkar under the bus last night and what's more, spend the morning hammering the health service. Thanks Tony.
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de_Selby wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:45 am
camroc1 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:11 am If nothing else, the government should be absolutely livid that this was leaked to the press in time for the Monday morning news cycle, before government was informed. It is a blatant attempt to bounce the government into a particular action, which is not the job of NPHET, and whoever leaked should be dismissed from the committee for starters.
It's been said before, but NPHET have been in the spotlight too much in general. They should be just advising the govt in the background and leave it to them to do the messaging.
NPHET are supposed to have a much more active role though, it's just just advice. They are supposed to be directing the testing programme. The goal was to get to South Korean levels but we find out in September that they haven't been doing that.

It's a joke. Someone should have resigned over that at the very least, instead we were forcing EU trade commissioners out.
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