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camroc1 wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:40 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:21 pm It's simply people just using words that they fundamentally misunderstant. They seem to think that "exponential"="very fast".
The problem with that, is that "exponential growth" has a very specific mathematical meaning, and is being wrongly used by scientists to describe a set of data that is anything but exponential in form.
Yes, I'm fully aware of that. That wasn't a defense of misusing a word with a very specific meaning.
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camroc1 wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:40 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:21 pm It's simply people just using words that they fundamentally misunderstant. They seem to think that "exponential"="very fast".
The problem with that, is that "exponential growth" has a very specific mathematical meaning, and is being wrongly used by scientists to describe a set of data that is anything but exponential in form.
As population is bounded, exponential growth is only possible when less than half the population is infected.
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Leinster in London wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:29 pm
alliswell wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:11 am
danthefan wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:00 am
alliswell wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:06 am
Sorry bud, e^x is an example of an exponential function but exponential functions are given by a^x and these functions will grow if both a and x are greater than zero.
The progression described by Nolan would give you 1.04^x which is an exponential function that would grow.

Edit: x being the time in days
Well that's wrong, it decreases if a<1
Yeah that's true. Sorry, my mistake
Some memories I have, but stand to be corrected

If y=a^x then is growth not when dy/dx >o, and exponential growth when d^2y/dx^2> 0 ?

To bring time into it, x is an f(t). growth is when dx/dt> 0, and exponential growth when d^2x/dt^2 >0
the second derivative being >0 means the rate of change is increasing (so you are accelerating in your time example)

but for an exponential function if the first derivative is greater than 0 then the second derivative is too. you are just multiplying by log(a) for each derivative.
exponential growth just means a>1
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Just looking at the 14-day rate in the different LEAs. Parts of Dublin spiking a lot at the moment.
Ballyfermot-drimnagh with 245/100k.
Kimmage-rathmines with 306/100k. :uhoh:
North Inner City with 222/100k.
Bray east (town) with 210/100k.
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EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:30 pm
anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:43 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:34 am Gino fücking Kenny. A greater idiot you will never meet. I absolutely guarantee he doesn't grasp the broad implications of it.
I see the Indo are driving the anti government Level 4/5 bus today. Them and the IT are a pox
Going to make probate cases fun.

"When did you have your uncle killed? Was it before or after you realised he'd left you the farm?"

:uhoh:
Gino got traction with the medical blow thing which was him trying to legalise blow through the back door. Because he is an idiot he said to himself 'whats emotional and medical and I could use that as well'. Assisted suicide TA DA
I used to be entirely in favour of allowing for assisted dying.

I'm still largely in favour of it, but having done some probate cases I'm genuinely terrified of it being done badly. A certain subset of Irish people will do anything for land.
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506+1

Only 91 cases in Dublin. Really seems to be levelling there, overall.
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https://twitter.com/paulgall186/status/ ... 57954?s=21
. I have 53 staff on lay-off, some since 16th March on the PUP payment which has a maximum of €300. They are not entitled to any other supports from social welfare. Imagine running a family home on €300 a week with no end in sight.This is state sponsored poverty. Heartbreaking!
I assume they will be entitled to something more but this really is not sustainable.
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de_Selby wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:47 pm
Leinster in London wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:29 pm
alliswell wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:11 am
danthefan wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:00 am
alliswell wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:06 am
Sorry bud, e^x is an example of an exponential function but exponential functions are given by a^x and these functions will grow if both a and x are greater than zero.
The progression described by Nolan would give you 1.04^x which is an exponential function that would grow.

Edit: x being the time in days
Well that's wrong, it decreases if a<1
Yeah that's true. Sorry, my mistake
Some memories I have, but stand to be corrected

If y=a^x then is growth not when dy/dx >o, and exponential growth when d^2y/dx^2> 0 ?

To bring time into it, x is an f(t). growth is when dx/dt> 0, and exponential growth when d^2x/dt^2 >0
the second derivative being >0 means the rate of change is increasing (so you are accelerating in your time example)

but for an exponential function if the first derivative is greater than 0 then the second derivative is too. you are just multiplying by log(a) for each derivative.
exponential growth just means a>1
As I said, some bits missing, but a derivative can be always positive, but approach 0. this is when the 2nd derivative =0.
so, it must also be positive to avoid being a straight line.
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Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:51 pm Just looking at the 14-day rate in the different LEAs. Parts of Dublin spiking a lot at the moment.
Ballyfermot-drimnagh with 245/100k.
Kimmage-rathmines with 306/100k. :uhoh:
North Inner City with 222/100k.
Bray east (town) with 210/100k.

You'd hope that the garda response is focused on these areas and not say the M50, stopping people from going to and fro work............ he says knowingly.

And I should say a Covid response team that go into those areas and try and help the local communities.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:34 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:21 pm It's simply people just using words that they fundamentally misunderstant. They seem to think that "exponential"="very fast".
The thing is that he wasn’t even right about it growing in Dublin when he said it. The 3 day incidence fell for 3 days in a row until yesterday and was down week on week overall.

This is what makes me laugh about RTÉ, it was the top story. They have been bigging themselves up for weeks about printing truth in their search for a bailout. Whilst I can appreciate that there is some cover them when one of these lads makes alarmist and wild predictions (so long as it fits a certain political point of view), he was just wrong. And what’s more it’s not like he is a professional of standing in the area. He is an associate professor in biochemistry ffs.
And is 91 today. Guess what, level 3 works.

Cork numbers going up I note.
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Leinster in London wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:53 pm
de_Selby wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:47 pm
Leinster in London wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:29 pm
alliswell wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:11 am
danthefan wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:00 am

Well that's wrong, it decreases if a<1
Yeah that's true. Sorry, my mistake
Some memories I have, but stand to be corrected

If y=a^x then is growth not when dy/dx >o, and exponential growth when d^2y/dx^2> 0 ?

To bring time into it, x is an f(t). growth is when dx/dt> 0, and exponential growth when d^2x/dt^2 >0
the second derivative being >0 means the rate of change is increasing (so you are accelerating in your time example)

but for an exponential function if the first derivative is greater than 0 then the second derivative is too. you are just multiplying by log(a) for each derivative.
exponential growth just means a>1
As I said, some bits missing, but a derivative can be always positive, but approach 0. this is when the 2nd derivative =0.
so, it must also be positive to avoid being a straight line.
if y=a^x

dy/dx = a^x log(a)

d2y/d2x = a^x log(a)*log(a)
etc
if the first derivative is >0 then so will any higher derivatives because they only differ by multiplying by another log(a) which is a constant.

you might be thinking of determining inflection points but a^x only has one at 0.
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First under 100 cases day in Dublin in over 2 weeks.
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Not a good day for Ryan to talk about Dublin still being out of control. That brings the 5 day average nicely down.
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No countries left on the green list :lol:
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:05 pm No countries left on the green list :lol:
:lol:

We wouldn't be allowed go anywhere in the EU anyway as we're a red country.
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de_Selby wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:01 pm

if y=a^x

dy/dx = a^x log(a)

d2y/d2x = a^x log(a)*log(a)
etc
if the first derivative is >0 then so will any higher derivatives because they only differ by multiplying by another log(a) which is a constant.

you might be thinking of determining inflection points but a^x only has one at 0.

:thumbup: It's been a while since I studied maths, well that's my excuse.
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EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:12 pm
Gavin Duffy wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:05 pm No countries left on the green list :lol:
I saw that. Absolute nobs. I remember the 80's and this is going to be like that only with no states to fück off to
Fúck off we're full
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CM11 wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:04 pm Not a good day for Ryan to talk about Dublin still being out of control. That brings the 5 day average nicely down.
He really needs to be called out on that.
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Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:51 pm Just looking at the 14-day rate in the different LEAs. Parts of Dublin spiking a lot at the moment.
Ballyfermot-drimnagh with 245/100k.
Kimmage-rathmines with 306/100k. :uhoh:
North Inner City with 222/100k.
Bray east (town) with 210/100k.
All shitholes (except Bray East which is a slightly better part of Bray)
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:05 pm No countries left on the green list :lol:
damn i was just about to book a riverboat tour of the Faroes and then nip over for some shopping in Greenland
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Leinsterman wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:19 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:04 pm Not a good day for Ryan to talk about Dublin still being out of control. That brings the 5 day average nicely down.
He really needs to be called out on that.
No one in the media seem to want to call any of the doom merchants out. Probably just scared of getting egg on their own face.
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They honestly don't know enough to.

Remember Charlie Bird famously failed his LC !
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Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:53 pm 506+1

Only 91 cases in Dublin. Really seems to be levelling there, overall.
The link between cases and deaths is so weak now not sure why people are still obsessed with the daily cases numbers

Another day with just one reported death - that should be the headline
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Leinsterman wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:19 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:04 pm Not a good day for Ryan to talk about Dublin still being out of control. That brings the 5 day average nicely down.
He really needs to be called out on that.
Is there a media ombudsman?

I mean, seriously, RTÉ print this shit

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1165543/

Someone is calling them out at least but it’ll go under the radar

https://twitter.com/eoinneylon/status/1 ... 05472?s=21
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anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:52 pm
EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:30 pm
anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:43 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:34 am Gino fücking Kenny. A greater idiot you will never meet. I absolutely guarantee he doesn't grasp the broad implications of it.
I see the Indo are driving the anti government Level 4/5 bus today. Them and the IT are a pox
Going to make probate cases fun.

"When did you have your uncle killed? Was it before or after you realised he'd left you the farm?"

:uhoh:
Gino got traction with the medical blow thing which was him trying to legalise blow through the back door. Because he is an idiot he said to himself 'whats emotional and medical and I could use that as well'. Assisted suicide TA DA
I used to be entirely in favour of allowing for assisted dying.

I'm still largely in favour of it, but having done some probate cases I'm genuinely terrified of it being done badly. A certain subset of Irish people will do anything for land.
My general rule of thumb is that if Gino Kelly is for something, then I’m against it
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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:39 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:53 pm 506+1

Only 91 cases in Dublin. Really seems to be levelling there, overall.
The link between cases and deaths is so weak now not sure why people are still obsessed with the daily cases numbers

Another day with just one reported death - that should be the headline
Actually, the CFR is fairly steady so the link is there. It's just a lot lower than people think it is. But because we've gone heavy on the scaremongering, it's very hard to row back. I flagged this months ago. That if we get to flu levels of hospitalisations and deaths, people will be very hard to convince that this is 'acceptable'.
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CM11 wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:42 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:39 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:53 pm 506+1

Only 91 cases in Dublin. Really seems to be levelling there, overall.
The link between cases and deaths is so weak now not sure why people are still obsessed with the daily cases numbers

Another day with just one reported death - that should be the headline
Actually, the CFR is fairly steady so the link is there. It's just a lot lower than people think it is. But because we've gone heavy on the scaremongering, it's very hard to row back. I flagged this months ago. That if we get to flu levels of hospitalisations and deaths, people will be very hard to convince that this is 'acceptable'.
Are you sure? A table of the past 3 weeks would be interesting (even though some reported deaths aren’t contemporaneous)
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Every recent 14 day incident report is showing CFR fluctuating around 0.1%.
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Btw, that CFR is only confirmed cases.
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HighKingLeinster wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:25 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:51 pm Just looking at the 14-day rate in the different LEAs. Parts of Dublin spiking a lot at the moment.
Ballyfermot-drimnagh with 245/100k.
Kimmage-rathmines with 306/100k. :uhoh:
North Inner City with 222/100k.
Bray east (town) with 210/100k.
All shitholes (except Bray East which is a slightly better part of Bray)
Yeah, did occur to me about the demographics. Bray East LEA is just Bray town. Bray West is Enniskerry, Glencree, Kilmac. It's not Bray.
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https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/nph ... 02770.html

Looks like they still haven't figured out the kinks is what information should be shared with the media. No different to bad news, good news should still go through the government first.
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Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:04 pm
HighKingLeinster wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:25 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:51 pm Just looking at the 14-day rate in the different LEAs. Parts of Dublin spiking a lot at the moment.
Ballyfermot-drimnagh with 245/100k.
Kimmage-rathmines with 306/100k. :uhoh:
North Inner City with 222/100k.
Bray east (town) with 210/100k.
All shitholes (except Bray East which is a slightly better part of Bray)
Yeah, did occur to me about the demographics. Bray East LEA is just Bray town. Bray West is Enniskerry, Glencree, Kilmac. It's not Bray.
So you’re saying you’re from Bray West
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EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:07 pm Completely agree with you there Stats re when the seasonal respiratory deaths hit normal numbers the wailing will be chronic. The public health officials will do nada to dampen it down either as they have proven. I had a journalist acquaintance say in a group thing earlier on that Thomas Ryan is solid and I believed in conspiracy theories if I thought he was lying. In turn he called out academics like your one in Oxford. I sat staring at the screen trying to unjumble the bollox
Both are bollox, tbf.
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EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:07 pm Completely agree with you there Stats re when the seasonal respiratory deaths hit normal numbers the wailing will be chronic. The public health officials will do nada to dampen it down either as they have proven. I had a journalist acquaintance say in a group thing earlier on that Thomas Ryan is solid and I believed in conspiracy theories if I thought he was lying. In turn he called out academics like your one in Oxford. I sat staring at the screen trying to unjumble the bollox
So professor of epidemiology in Oxford is lying and for conspiracy theorists but research neuroscientist is solid :lol:
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EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:12 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:11 pm
EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:07 pm Completely agree with you there Stats re when the seasonal respiratory deaths hit normal numbers the wailing will be chronic. The public health officials will do nada to dampen it down either as they have proven. I had a journalist acquaintance say in a group thing earlier on that Thomas Ryan is solid and I believed in conspiracy theories if I thought he was lying. In turn he called out academics like your one in Oxford. I sat staring at the screen trying to unjumble the bollox
Both are bollox, tbf.
I don't know much about her but she was better than him that night bar her James Joyce paddywhackery
Her thing is too much but at least something that could be done. His thing is literally unachievable.
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You'd imagine a trinity professor describing the growth rate in Dublin is exponential when it patently isn't would be devastating for his career. It's f*cking egregious. Any alumni should email the college with their concerns about the damage to the credibility of the institution.
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EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:14 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:12 pm
EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:07 pm Completely agree with you there Stats re when the seasonal respiratory deaths hit normal numbers the wailing will be chronic. The public health officials will do nada to dampen it down either as they have proven. I had a journalist acquaintance say in a group thing earlier on that Thomas Ryan is solid and I believed in conspiracy theories if I thought he was lying. In turn he called out academics like your one in Oxford. I sat staring at the screen trying to unjumble the bollox
So professor of epidemiology in Oxford is lying and for conspiracy theorists but research neuroscientist is solid :lol:
We are through the looking glass. These pricks actually believe this shit and of course I had to.lsiten to the nonsense about 'enjoy the march on Saturday' 'hope you're not seeing your parents soon' blah blah
It’s just that the general population aren’t scientifically literate. They don’t know the difference between these two experts. It’s the media’s fault but we know what they’re at. I know a lot on here don’t like her but Ciara Kelly is a breath of fresh air when she’s dealing with the science topics - she had a smoking campaigner on the other morning and he was doing the usual pseudoscience routine to defend vaping and she was having none of it - it was refreshing to hear someone who understands science for once, if it was Coleman or Cuddihy they would have just let him make all these bollox claims unchallenged
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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:12 pm
EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:07 pm Completely agree with you there Stats re when the seasonal respiratory deaths hit normal numbers the wailing will be chronic. The public health officials will do nada to dampen it down either as they have proven. I had a journalist acquaintance say in a group thing earlier on that Thomas Ryan is solid and I believed in conspiracy theories if I thought he was lying. In turn he called out academics like your one in Oxford. I sat staring at the screen trying to unjumble the bollox
So professor of epidemiology in Oxford is lying and for conspiracy theorists but research neuroscientist is solid :lol:
I didn’t post the link as I know Gav hates UnHerd but the three who made that declaration had an interview on it yesterday. Stanford, Harvard and Oxford respectively. All public health experts.

https://youtu.be/rz_Z7Gf1aRE

I have concerns with elements of their strategy (they are as ivory tower as Sam McConkey) but it has become so political now that the words “herd immunity” are dirty in the discourse.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:22 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:12 pm
EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:07 pm Completely agree with you there Stats re when the seasonal respiratory deaths hit normal numbers the wailing will be chronic. The public health officials will do nada to dampen it down either as they have proven. I had a journalist acquaintance say in a group thing earlier on that Thomas Ryan is solid and I believed in conspiracy theories if I thought he was lying. In turn he called out academics like your one in Oxford. I sat staring at the screen trying to unjumble the bollox
So professor of epidemiology in Oxford is lying and for conspiracy theorists but research neuroscientist is solid :lol:
I didn’t post the link as I know Gav hates UnHerd but the three who made that declaration had an interview on it yesterday. Stanford, Harvard and Oxford respectively. All public health experts.

https://youtu.be/rz_Z7Gf1aRE

I have concerns with elements of their strategy (they are as ivory tower as Sam McConkey) but it has become so political now that the words “herd immunity” are dirty in the discourse.
I only hate unherd because of its tory links.
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Was financed by a Lib Dem Brexiteer.

That guy has great guests across the spectrum.
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