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CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:01 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:57 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:55 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:45 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:42 pm Stabilised more than dropped Duff.
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Dublin's 14 day incidence every week, starting on the 4th September, two weeks before level 3.
Rate of growth come on will ya keep up
You don't see any impact of level 3 in there?
I never said that, as you well know
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CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:02 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:58 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:56 pm What's Paschal saying?
Called Doherty a spoofer, essentially. He's coming across well. Doherty is a good communicator in fairness, but Donoghue is handling him well.
Will it fall on deaf ears as usual?
Of course, but at least they're trying.
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CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:02 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:58 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:56 pm What's Paschal saying?
Called Doherty a spoofer, essentially. He's coming across well. Doherty is a good communicator in fairness, but Donoghue is handling him well.
Will it fall on deaf ears as usual?
Hard to know, the shitshow that is Northern Ireland's covid situation is taking the general gloss off SF imo. Micheal Martin has stabilised the ship here in the last 6 weeks, against all odds tbf.
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JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:04 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:02 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:58 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:56 pm What's Paschal saying?
Called Doherty a spoofer, essentially. He's coming across well. Doherty is a good communicator in fairness, but Donoghue is handling him well.
Will it fall on deaf ears as usual?
Hard to know, the shitshow that is Northern Ireland's covid situation is taking the general gloss off SF imo. Micheal Martin has stabilised the ship here in the last 6 weeks, against all odds tbf.
:thumbup:
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JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:04 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:02 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:58 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:56 pm What's Paschal saying?
Called Doherty a spoofer, essentially. He's coming across well. Doherty is a good communicator in fairness, but Donoghue is handling him well.
Will it fall on deaf ears as usual?
Hard to know, the shitshow that is Northern Ireland's covid situation is taking the general gloss off SF imo. Micheal Martin has stabilised the ship here in the last 6 weeks, against all odds tbf.
:lol: Good one. :thumbup:
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Most are happy with the budget except RTE presenters and Sinn Fein. That’s a result
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:06 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:04 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:02 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:58 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:56 pm What's Paschal saying?
Called Doherty a spoofer, essentially. He's coming across well. Doherty is a good communicator in fairness, but Donoghue is handling him well.
Will it fall on deaf ears as usual?
Hard to know, the shitshow that is Northern Ireland's covid situation is taking the general gloss off SF imo. Micheal Martin has stabilised the ship here in the last 6 weeks, against all odds tbf.
:lol: Good one. :thumbup:
thanks Gavin, keep licking those English lads, good man.
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:06 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:04 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:02 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:58 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:56 pm What's Paschal saying?
Called Doherty a spoofer, essentially. He's coming across well. Doherty is a good communicator in fairness, but Donoghue is handling him well.
Will it fall on deaf ears as usual?
Hard to know, the shitshow that is Northern Ireland's covid situation is taking the general gloss off SF imo. Micheal Martin has stabilised the ship here in the last 6 weeks, against all odds tbf.
:lol: Good one. :thumbup:
The thing is, even given the amount of money pledged in this budget, the govt can still fire more into the economy if required, as we're essentially backed by the ECB as one of the EUs good boys.

The shinners are on a loser here.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:38 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:37 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:32 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:28 pm RTE

"The wealthy will remain wealthy after this budget"

Holy God
😂 you mean Paschal hasn’t introduced communism? Wait until they figure out that lockdowns hurt the poor more than the rich. They will self combust.
Biggest budget in the states history and RTE are talking about pensioners not getting an increase.

For what? They supposed to be inside the cúnts
I can tell you right now that pensioners are by far the wealthiest segment of Irish society. It doesn’t fit the narrative but it’s true.
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It's a sad day when a Munsterfan like Joey is trying to come to Mullets rescue after his gash rage. World's gone mad lads
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JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:08 pm
Gavin Duffy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:06 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:04 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:02 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:58 pm

Called Doherty a spoofer, essentially. He's coming across well. Doherty is a good communicator in fairness, but Donoghue is handling him well.
Will it fall on deaf ears as usual?
Hard to know, the shitshow that is Northern Ireland's covid situation is taking the general gloss off SF imo. Micheal Martin has stabilised the ship here in the last 6 weeks, against all odds tbf.
:lol: Good one. :thumbup:
thanks Gavin, keep licking those English lads, good man.
Devastating riposte as always :lol:
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Good Mary’s man Ronan you can tell he loves throwing out a few scruffy students of a Saturday night
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EverReady wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:10 pm It's a sad day when a Munsterfan like Joey is trying to come to Mullets rescue after his gash rage. World's gone mad lads
As Duff pointed out, only SF are unhappy today, it's a good day for the government.
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As soon as the cameras are off the lad in the turtle neck is getting turfed out :lol:
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:14 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:08 pm
Gavin Duffy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:06 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:04 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:02 pm

Will it fall on deaf ears as usual?
Hard to know, the shitshow that is Northern Ireland's covid situation is taking the general gloss off SF imo. Micheal Martin has stabilised the ship here in the last 6 weeks, against all odds tbf.
:lol: Good one. :thumbup:
thanks Gavin, keep licking those English lads, good man.
Devastating riposte as always :lol:
From the man who's best was " :lol: Good one. :thumbup:", I'm not sure you know what a devastating riposte actually is.
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Gavs back lads.

If you have any questions about building a detached monstrosity away from all services without planning permission then now is the time.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:19 pm Gavs back lads.

If you have any questions about building a detached monstrosity away from all services without planning permission then now is the time.
Not back for long Mullet, he's about to disappear like a Mayo forward in Croke Park.
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CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:01 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:57 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:55 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:45 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:42 pm Stabilised more than dropped Duff.
Stick with me kid, I’m never wrong
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Dublin's 14 day incidence every week, starting on the 4th September, two weeks before level 3.
Rate of growth come on will ya keep up
You don't see any impact of level 3 in there?
The rate of growth had moderated to 4-5% before Level 3. Basically this thing did the same thing it does everywhere, it tappers off after a few weeks of big growth %. If you want to be generous the household restrictions may have played a role but people generally moderate behaviour in advance.
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I hope the gov keep the schools open and if they close in the north, that will be a future stick when this all works out. That's purely operational and something they failed on and something the Tories can't be blamed for.
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230 in hospital, 252 available beds.

31 ICU, 29 available beds.

Dublin hospitals (bar Beaumont) slipping down the table, Cavan, CUH, and Letterkenny climbing.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/ne ... r-2020.pdf
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Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:08 pm Most are happy with the budget except RTE presenters and Sinn Fein. That’s a result
Difference?
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Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:54 pm Amazingly Pearse looks like a clueless dipshit when he comes up against someone who knows his stuff. He gets a free ride on all the radio shows because the presenters just accept his nonsense as fact. Go Paschal go
He's been giving the same budget speech for 10 years now.
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JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:04 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:02 pm
JoeyFantastic wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:58 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:56 pm What's Paschal saying?
Called Doherty a spoofer, essentially. He's coming across well. Doherty is a good communicator in fairness, but Donoghue is handling him well.
Will it fall on deaf ears as usual?
Hard to know, the shitshow that is Northern Ireland's covid situation is taking the general gloss off SF imo. Micheal Martin has stabilised the ship here in the last 6 weeks, against all odds tbf.
What odds?
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camroc1 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:45 pm 230 in hospital, 252 available beds.

31 ICU, 29 available beds.

Dublin hospitals (bar Beaumont) slipping down the table, Cavan, CUH, and Letterkenny climbing.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/ne ... r-2020.pdf
I still reckon come December/January it will be like a really bad flu year. That's just a hunch. Stick me on NPHET
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54533643

It was inevitable at this stage.
Really shit for the kids shutting schools again for at least another 2 weeks but hopefully it stops the numbers rising.

My issue is that locking down everything at once doesn’t really pinpoint where the problem lies. There was some research done early in the pandemic saying that kids are poor carriers of it, although I’m not sure if that has been reinvestigated. If this lockdown works then the next proposed lockdown [there will definitely be more] will probably include schools again as its been lumped in with all the other suspects.
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Level 4 for the southern border counties so?
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Another doctor speaking out against NPHET this morning - Brendan O’Shea this time. Too much focus on covid and they’ve taken their eye off all of the other conditions that kill people every year. Interestingly he said they did great work at the start when there was fewer than 10 people on the committee and we thought this virus was more like the bubonic plague. He said the current committee is too large and they “need to take the personalities out of the equation”. There is a bit of a cult of Tony and Glynner going on, interesting comment I thought.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:01 am Another doctor speaking out against NPHET this morning - Brendan O’Shea this time. Too much focus on covid and they’ve taken their eye off all of the other conditions that kill people every year. Interestingly he said they did great work at the start when there was fewer than 10 people on the committee and we thought this virus was more like the bubonic plague. He said the current committee is too large and they “need to take the personalities out of the equation”. There is a bit of a cult of Tony and Glynner going on, interesting comment I thought.
Hope he's not a HSE employee otherwise he'll be looking for a new job.
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He’s a GP who does a bit of lecturing so they can’t touch him 8)
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Can someone post up McDowell's latest piece?
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:25 am Can someone post up McDowell's latest piece?
Reads like he’s been lurking here
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:25 am Can someone post up McDowell's latest piece?
Michael McDowell: Six months wasted since last Covid lockdown
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Dr David Nabarro of the World Health Organisation (WHO) has stated that governments should not regard lockdowns as the primary means of controlling Covid-19. The only justification for lockdowns, he said, is for “buying time” to reorganise your health service and resources.

He also pointed out the massive damage by lockdowns globally to public health and in particular to the poorest and most vulnerable in society. He said the WHO appeals to all the world’s political leaders to “stop using lockdowns as your primary control method”. He said that lockdowns have one principal consequence – “making poor people an awful lot poorer”.

Yes there is now a belated intention to increase acute hospital beds by next April in the number of 480. Why was that not done over the last six months?
Has that clear position been heard and accepted in Ireland? Did the Department of Health and the Health Service Executive use the March to May lockdown to “buy time” to reorganise our health resources? Or did the Department of Health and the HSE fail over the last six months to adequately reorganise, expand and resource the Irish health system’s capacity to deal with the need to live with Covid over an extended period?

In the Seanad, we heard of a winter plan to tackle the epidemic and to deal with rising infection rates. On the single issue of ICU capacity, it seems that the plan is now to increase it by about 20 ICU beds by April. There is little indication that the half-year since the lockdown was used to address the fact that Ireland has by far the lowest ICU bed per person rate in the developed EU.

Yes there is now a belated intention to increase acute hospital beds by next April in the number of 480. Why was that not done over the last six months?



The thing that must be borne in mind is that the Department of Health and the HSE are effectively the same as the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet). The great majority of the central Nphet team are senior officials of those State bodies. This means that they are the people who have advised successive ministers in recent years – including advising ministers about what should and should not be done to implement repeated reports and recommendations to double our ICU capacity.

So when you see the accelerated programme to build the massive national children’s hospital at a cost of billions, you have to remember that that project was prioritised by the Department of Health and the HSE over addressing the catastrophically low provision of ICU capacity in Ireland.

One member of Nphet has gone so far as to say that ICU capacity is not really the issue. Why then do other members of Nphet tell us daily of the immediate risk of ICU overload? The “E” in Nphet refers to an emergency.

Just how could going back to Level 3 be justified in four weeks’ time? How much time would we buy?
But the Nphet main team members were nearly all involved in health policy advice before we had the latest emergency. Where was the policy decision taken to leave us unprepared for an epidemic or a pandemic such as might have happened with Sars? Was it considered that having ICU capacity at half the necessary level was a risk worth taking in order, say, to build a children’s hospital? Did any of the experts look at the implications of a corona disease pandemic of the kind of which Bill Gates was speaking in 2019?

Collateral fatalities
Level 5, advocated by Nphet last week, was a plan to almost completely close the economy. Everyone was to remain home. Public transport would have been restricted to workers in essential service. Factories, building sites and offices and the vast majority of retail stores would be closed down. Much economic activity would effectively end. The effect of such a total lockdown on the physical and mental wellbeing of the country would be enormous. Collateral fatalities would increase. The abolition of virtually all social activity for the coming months would have very serious social consequences for young and old alike. Businesses – large and small – would crash financially. Unemployment would result for hundreds of thousands of people.


All, in the WHO’s words, to “buy time”? How would things be different or better in late November? Just how could going back to Level 3 be justified in four weeks’ time? How much time would we buy? What reorganisation of our health services and resources could really take place before Christmas?

Dr Samuel McConkey spoke of this pandemic lasting for three or four more years. We can’t “buy time” intermittently by serial lockdowns for that length of time.

One example of which I am aware is a busy factory employing 300 people in Dublin manufacturing products (none of which Nphet would consider essential) for sale in the UK and elsewhere. If it closes between now and Christmas, it will lose all its market share to UK and foreign competitors. The loss of 300 jobs and a valuable business may not be on Nphet’s radar, but the devastation for 300 families must be on our radar.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mich ... -1.4379861
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:01 am Another doctor speaking out against NPHET this morning - Brendan O’Shea this time. Too much focus on covid and they’ve taken their eye off all of the other conditions that kill people every year. Interestingly he said they did great work at the start when there was fewer than 10 people on the committee and we thought this virus was more like the bubonic plague. He said the current committee is too large and they “need to take the personalities out of the equation”. There is a bit of a cult of Tony and Glynner going on, interesting comment I thought.
Look I am one of the foremost minds on this in my immediate circle and I have been saying this for a while. It's too big and the power they wield had gone to their heads. Look at the norths scientists closing the schools. Inexplicable and utterly nonsensical. To be honest all the scientists need to be given wedgies and reminded where they came from
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Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:08 pm Most are happy with the budget except RTE presenters and Sinn Fein. That’s a result
That says all you need to know really.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:01 am Another doctor speaking out against NPHET this morning - Brendan O’Shea this time. Too much focus on covid and they’ve taken their eye off all of the other conditions that kill people every year. Interestingly he said they did great work at the start when there was fewer than 10 people on the committee and we thought this virus was more like the bubonic plague. He said the current committee is too large and they “need to take the personalities out of the equation”. There is a bit of a cult of Tony and Glynner going on, interesting comment I thought.
https://twitter.com/drbosheaGP?ref_src= ... r%5Eauthor

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Gavin Duffy wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:25 am Can someone post up McDowell's latest piece?
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Jim Lahey wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:49 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54533643

It was inevitable at this stage.
Really shit for the kids shutting schools again for at least another 2 weeks but hopefully it stops the numbers rising.

My issue is that locking down everything at once doesn’t really pinpoint where the problem lies. There was some research done early in the pandemic saying that kids are poor carriers of it, although I’m not sure if that has been reinvestigated. If this lockdown works then the next proposed lockdown [there will definitely be more] will probably include schools again as its been lumped in with all the other suspects.
Christ, measures implemented nearly 2.5-3 weeks weeks after NI had their "explosive" near 1,000 day with sustained numbers since, although they looked to have peaked again. When you consider that it is decisions taken 1-2 weeks in advance, they are miles behind here. It is likely people have moderated their behavior in advance of this already, but once cases show a dip we will hear all about how successful depriving kids of an education was and ruining businesses.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:04 am He’s a GP who does a bit of lecturing so they can’t touch him 8)
A couple of GPs have been sanctioned for speaking out but tbf they are idiots who went all anti mask & associated with the Gemma crowd rather than measured criticism like O'Shea.
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I just saw the one twat who went into Gemma's march. Was chair of the out of hours over in Limerick. What a fücking idiot.
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There's an anti masker lecturing in medicine in UCD, if memory serves. Students tried to get her removed from teaching them but not sure if anything came of it.
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