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camroc1 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:14 am
Winnie wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:47 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:27 am That's because the Deputy First Minister IS a Provo
This is the bit that Cammy struggles with
One is legal, the other is not.

Much as I dislike them, the shinners are a legal political party.

The loyalist groups are, according to British law, illegal terrorist organisations.

That appears to be a difference you don't recognise.
It’s ok Cammy everyone knows ;)
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Nolanator wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:14 am https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0406/12080 ... s-ireland/

This is just fucking stupid. Are they doing it on purpose or what?

Weekends are known for having no discharges. We've just had a 4 day weekend, hospital cases are up slightly. Big fúcking wup. Why have that as the headline, instead of the reassuring info which is buried in the article? The low rate of outdoor transmission, decrease in ICU, etc.
I think that headline is supposed to be reassuring
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Nolanator wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:14 am https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0406/12080 ... s-ireland/

This is just fucking stupid. Are they doing it on purpose or what?

Weekends are known for having no discharges. We've just had a 4 day weekend, hospital cases are up slightly. Big fúcking wup. Why have that as the headline, instead of the reassuring info which is buried in the article? The low rate of outdoor transmission, decrease in ICU, etc.
This part here:
Dr Ní Cheallaigh said the variants first detected in Brazil and South African are the most worrying where people who are immune from having Covid-19 already or have been vaccinated are not protected from these strains.
Is that not incorrect? I thought the J&J vaccine was highly effective against hospitalisation/death for the the SA strain?
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alliswell wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:22 am
Nolanator wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:14 am https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0406/12080 ... s-ireland/

This is just fucking stupid. Are they doing it on purpose or what?

Weekends are known for having no discharges. We've just had a 4 day weekend, hospital cases are up slightly. Big fúcking wup. Why have that as the headline, instead of the reassuring info which is buried in the article? The low rate of outdoor transmission, decrease in ICU, etc.
I think that headline is supposed to be reassuring
Saw it on Twitter as "Over 260 patients with Covid-19 in hospital". Doesn't seem to presented in reassuring language to me.
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status ... 4451319808

Didn't cop the different headline in the actual article. Just seems to be Bowers' personal take as he tweeted it out.
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Yes, it's factually incorrect. Pfizer has shown itself to be very effective.

Again you have to ask the question of some of the medical community and the media, anti vax sentiment is not just because of Zuck and Jack.
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Nolanator wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:14 am https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0406/12080 ... s-ireland/

This is just fucking stupid. Are they doing it on purpose or what?

Weekends are known for having no discharges. We've just had a 4 day weekend, hospital cases are up slightly. Big fúcking wup. Why have that as the headline, instead of the reassuring info which is buried in the article? The low rate of outdoor transmission, decrease in ICU, etc.
Hospitalisation is a funny one, I don't think it is useful to look at the daily trend with the week end affect there, it seems to take till Tuesday/Wednesday for that to cycle out, in a normal week. I think the best way is to look at the % difference from the corresponding weekday of the previous week. Looking at it that way you can see the static affect of mid-March, it starting to improve two weeks ago and then it decrease again further last week.

Below is the last 3 weeks: (a negative is an increase in hospitalisation relative to the previous week.)

10.6%
5.4%
3.9%
2.3%
3.5%
-3.2%
0.3%
-0.6%
6.0%
9.6%
5.7%
7.3%
10.6%
7.8%
13.2%
9.7%
12.2%
16.7%
20.4%
24.8%
21.5%
15.8%
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danthefan wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:30 am
paddyor wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:39 am Can someone get this Una Mullally piece on how she engages with wrong thought please.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/una- ... -1.4528497

Now excuse me while I go set my computer on fire.

Spoiler: show
We are currently dealing with a huge public health issue in the form of the pandemic, and within that there are multiple other public health issues. From cancer treatment to maternity services, the disruption to our health system has been tremendous.

But there is also another public health concern in Ireland that has been growing steadily yet remains unaddressed, has been exacerbated by the pandemic, and is something about which many people seem to be at a complete loss as to how to make their loved ones better.

This burgeoning public health issue is the mental health crisis that falling down a rabbit-hole of conspiracy theories induces.

That many people in this country believe unhinged fantastical versions of the world is no laughing matter
More and more, I’m hearing from people whose friends, colleagues, acquaintances and family members are dealing with serious mental, emotional and relationship crises because of people being radicalised online, their thinking and critical capacities altered, and the huge impact this is having on friend groups and families.

In recent months, I’ve been developing a toolkit to help those who are reaching a point of crisis with loved ones who have fallen down the conspiracy rabbit-hole, working on an advice sheet with the assistance of people including Aoife Gallagher, an analyst at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, who specialises in disinformation, extremism and hate, and is one of the foremost experts on this issue in Ireland.

The recent anti-lockdown protests in Ireland yielded some excellent reporting from those covering the breadth of beliefs of those participating, but it has also yielded frustrating false equivalence, and quite irresponsibly, people laughing off or laughing at some of the more outrageous beliefs many protesters were espousing, particularly those that are QAnon-related or Q-adjacent.

That many people in this country genuinely believe completely unhinged fantastical versions of the world is no laughing matter. It is distressing for their loved ones and it is a public health issue.

Una Mullally: Many pubs are on their knees. Let communities buy them
Una Mullally: Fine Gael makes a clumsy grab for female voters
Una Mullally: Time to commemorate those who died in the pandemic
Political extremism
The spectrum of those who end up altering their thought patterns via the internet and emerge as conspiracy theorists is diverse. Although many people become radicalised into participating in political extremism and develop specific – often fascistic – political ideologies that embed themselves in existing faultlines in their thinking (such as racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, misogyny, and religious fundamentalism), falling for conspiracies that overtake one’s rational thoughts is different.

However, there is plenty of overlap between extremism and hate, and conspiracy. Indeed, far-right entities, for example, are only delighted to take advantage of those gravitating towards conspiracy, and prey on their fears for their own nefarious political desires.

Social media platforms – especially Facebook – and entities such as YouTube create a radicalisation pipeline that works quickly and often privately. Algorithms are designed to hold your attention, and inevitably nudge you towards more extreme content in order to do so.

Many who gravitate towards conspiracy value their own intelligence, consider themselves 'smart' and therefore they couldn’t possibly be 'duped'
Some people find a new community in conspiracy, and can double down when others express alarm about their thinking patterns, which has a pulling-up-the-drawbridge effect, and sees them gravitate further towards those who legitimise the conspiracy theories and affirm their newly embedded beliefs.

So what can you do if you’re in this situation and a loved one seems to have changed, is espousing conspiracy theories, is lashing out at those close to them, is gravitating towards bizarre and false ideas, and developing worrying beliefs? Ordinarily, our impulse is to debate and to engage on a rational level. Yet when it comes to conspiracy, the rules do not apply, and that includes the tactics for countering it.

Correlation with depression
First up, keep the channels of communication open, no matter how testing that is. Don’t cut people out, because they may retreat further towards disinformation. Don’t get into arguments or “debate”. Don’t try to counter with communication such as “but that’s completely ridiculous”. Instead, ask questions, listen to their responses, and observe what their sources of information are.

Empathise and understand. Gravitating towards conspiracy has some correlations with depression. It can feel like a comfortable space to languish in, but pretty soon control is lost and reality breaks. There may have been a trigger that led to their current state: financial trauma, unaddressed personal trauma, heightened stress, isolation, job loss, relationship breakdown, loss of purpose, a desire to feel special, excessive time spent online.

Many people who gravitate towards conspiracy value their own intelligence, consider themselves “smart” and therefore they couldn’t possibly be “duped”. Many feel like they are on an almost spiritual mission to expose “the truth”.

People who believe conspiracy or disinformation often place a lot of emphasis on “research” and confuse “information” with that information being real. Arguing this point can often entrench people’s positions, leading to reactions such as “you would say that, wouldn’t you?”.

Conspiracy theorists also tend to believe that they have a higher level of critical thinking, but research has shown that conspiracy thinking is associated with lower levels of critical thinking.

Empathy is always the first starting point, even when people have become “cold” or “not themselves”. You don’t have to talk about the conspiracies someone is espousing, but should talk about the circumstances of their lives that may have them to this point.

Many people are trying to make sense of a chaotic world and form narratives that frame and justify that chaos. We cannot laugh off this public health issue, or simply hope it will go away. It’s real, it’s serious, and it needs to be addressed holistically.
Whenever I see these sorts of posts by people such as her, I'm reminded of how vigourously and viciously she has criticised the State/government over the years.

I always recall in 2016 herself and Tintin championing the Soc Dems and savaging the government and the thinly veiled fury when people voted for Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil instead of the Soc Dems.

It's the same issue.

If you spend your professiona life casting doubt upon the bona fides of government, the public sector, some wider "establishment" what do you think the natural consequences of that are?
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feckwanker wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:26 am
Nolanator wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:14 am https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0406/12080 ... s-ireland/

This is just fucking stupid. Are they doing it on purpose or what?

Weekends are known for having no discharges. We've just had a 4 day weekend, hospital cases are up slightly. Big fúcking wup. Why have that as the headline, instead of the reassuring info which is buried in the article? The low rate of outdoor transmission, decrease in ICU, etc.
This part here:
Dr Ní Cheallaigh said the variants first detected in Brazil and South African are the most worrying where people who are immune from having Covid-19 already or have been vaccinated are not protected from these strains.
Is that not incorrect? I thought the J&J vaccine was highly effective against hospitalisation/death for the the SA strain?
I think all vaccines are, to a lesser (60% effective) or greater (80% +) extent, they just haven't clinically trialed them yet, and so the PH doctors urge caution.
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The real world trial in Israel has shown that Pfizer is working against everything. And they have everything there.

The daily scare stories about the latest mutation are nearly all based on a couple of dorks in a lab.
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Channel 4 news reporting that the UK medicines regulator is considering restricting the AZ vaccine for use in over 30s only.

https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-medici ... zeneca-jab
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MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:54 am Essential viewing
https://twitter.com/glorteachers/status ... 5614485509
Absolute f*cking arseholes.
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MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:54 am Essential viewing
https://twitter.com/glorteachers/status ... 5614485509
Even on twatter they are getting savaged. The teaching unions are such f**king idiots.
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camroc1 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:56 am Channel 4 news reporting that the UK medicines regulator is considering restricting the AZ vaccine for use in over 30s only.

https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-medici ... zeneca-jab
But...but... but... the EU! Vaccine nationalism! Anti-British bias! Blah, blah, blah..........
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4529990
Additional freedoms will be granted to people in the Republic once they have been fully vaccinated, the Tánaiste has said.

Leo Varadkar has confirmed the Government is developing a “digital green certificate vaccine pass” for people to prove they have been fully inoculated.

He said the Government would introduce “additional measures for the fully vaccinated, more freedoms for those who have been vaccinated”.

He added: “We are developing a digital green certificate vaccine pass, so you’ll be able to prove that you’re fully vaccinated.”

Mr Varadkar made the comments in a video posted to social media over the Easter weekend.

The Tánaiste said the State’s vaccination programme was set to accelerate in the coming weeks, telling the public: “We’re going to surprise you.”
:smug:
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One in 6 now vaccinated
Over a million jabs
120k last week the most so far

Just a bit of good news Joe
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normilet wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4529990
Additional freedoms will be granted to people in the Republic once they have been fully vaccinated, the Tánaiste has said.

Leo Varadkar has confirmed the Government is developing a “digital green certificate vaccine pass” for people to prove they have been fully inoculated.

He said the Government would introduce “additional measures for the fully vaccinated, more freedoms for those who have been vaccinated”.

He added: “We are developing a digital green certificate vaccine pass, so you’ll be able to prove that you’re fully vaccinated.”

Mr Varadkar made the comments in a video posted to social media over the Easter weekend.

The Tánaiste said the State’s vaccination programme was set to accelerate in the coming weeks, telling the public: “We’re going to surprise you.”
:smug:
This will just be the EU green passport. There is no chance they can or will introduce something like that for Ireland. At best, it will just be a carrot to convince people to get it but in a couple of months time it'll be clear that you won't need one to go to the pub. The EU green passport will convince enough to get it.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am One in 6 now vaccinated
Over a million jabs
120k last week the most so far

Just a bit of good news Joe
We're now vaccinating at the same rate we're testing. Assuming the vaccination rates increase, one would assume the number of tests will start to hopefully fall.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am One in 6 now vaccinated
Over a million jabs
120k last week the most so far

Just a bit of good news Joe
How many people fully vaccinated?
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feckwanker wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:18 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am One in 6 now vaccinated
Over a million jabs
120k last week the most so far

Just a bit of good news Joe
How many people fully vaccinated?
12.5% I think
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feckwanker wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:18 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am One in 6 now vaccinated
Over a million jabs
120k last week the most so far

Just a bit of good news Joe
How many people fully vaccinated?
268k as of the weekend.
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271,524 (ca.5.5%) as of 3rd April according to the covid tracker app.
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feckwanker wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:18 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am One in 6 now vaccinated
Over a million jabs
120k last week the most so far

Just a bit of good news Joe
How many people fully vaccinated?
All available here.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/
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camroc1 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:56 am Channel 4 news reporting that the UK medicines regulator is considering restricting the AZ vaccine for use in over 30s only.

https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-medici ... zeneca-jab
They'll be getting to that cohort very soon now. I think it should be an easy management fix to concentrate AZ to the group that now require 2nd doses, and give the other vaccines to the younger groups.

Maybe in Ireland for safety they should just use the other vaccines for the current group (over 70's?), and give the remaining AZ to the teachers unions, and let them organise the teacher's jab, at their own risk of course.
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:28 am 271,524 (ca.5.5%) as of 3rd April according to the covid tracker app.
I must be mixed up with something else.

Anyway, a good news week.
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Given that we have another two (?) weeks for over 70s to be completed, by the time the teachers would be fully vaccinated it would be mid to late May even if they jumped the queue.

Capitulating to them would cause all sorts of issues now. Tbh this just goes back to a failure to plan and lead by the Government and moving the responsibility purely to medics.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:35 am Given that we have another two (?) weeks for over 70s to be completed, by the time the teachers would be fully vaccinated it would be mid to late May even if they jumped the queue.

Capitulating to them would cause all sorts of issues now. Tbh this just goes back to a failure to plan and lead by the Government and moving the responsibility purely to medics.
One of their union guys was on the radio earlier asking how it was fair that some 20-something year old teachers might have to wait longer to get vaccinated behind older people. :uhoh:
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Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:33 am
Gavin Duffy wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:28 am 271,524 (ca.5.5%) as of 3rd April according to the covid tracker app.
I must be mixed up with something else.

Anyway, a good news week.
Don't worry, they'll try spin it someway to make it look bad.

Gotta keep that worry index up :roll:
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Leinsterman wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:42 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:35 am Given that we have another two (?) weeks for over 70s to be completed, by the time the teachers would be fully vaccinated it would be mid to late May even if they jumped the queue.

Capitulating to them would cause all sorts of issues now. Tbh this just goes back to a failure to plan and lead by the Government and moving the responsibility purely to medics.
One of their union guys was on the radio earlier asking how it was fair that some 20-something year old teachers might have to wait longer to get vaccinated behind older people. :uhoh:
Why aren't the journalists tearing into the unions over this?
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Leinsterman wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:42 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:35 am Given that we have another two (?) weeks for over 70s to be completed, by the time the teachers would be fully vaccinated it would be mid to late May even if they jumped the queue.

Capitulating to them would cause all sorts of issues now. Tbh this just goes back to a failure to plan and lead by the Government and moving the responsibility purely to medics.
One of their union guys was on the radio earlier asking how it was fair that some 20-something year old teachers might have to wait longer to get vaccinated behind older people. :uhoh:
I hope the interviewer came back with " so, you want to kill peoples Grannies, then ?".

Or do unions get a pass from that sort of treatment.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am One in 6 now vaccinated
Over a million jabs
120k last week the most so far

Just a bit of good news Joe
Which I think is about mid-90% administration rate of the delivered vaccines within the week, deliveries seem to come in Monday and administrated by Sunday.

All good stuff.

I think with schools off, the numbers will come down, the static numbers seen in mid-March seem to be driven mainly by school kids and parent getting it but with them off and hopefully seasonality kicking in, as well as vaccines. I think we are coming out of this shit tunnel.
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feckwanker wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:45 am
Leinsterman wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:42 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:35 am Given that we have another two (?) weeks for over 70s to be completed, by the time the teachers would be fully vaccinated it would be mid to late May even if they jumped the queue.

Capitulating to them would cause all sorts of issues now. Tbh this just goes back to a failure to plan and lead by the Government and moving the responsibility purely to medics.
One of their union guys was on the radio earlier asking how it was fair that some 20-something year old teachers might have to wait longer to get vaccinated behind older people. :uhoh:
Why aren't the journalists tearing into the unions over this?
Because they never have and they never will
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Lots of young teachers on the radio phoning in and saying they want nothing to do with the strike.
Just thinking it would be typical of this country for some young Roma waster to be jabbed before an old geezer taxpayer like me :lol:
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Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:19 am
feckwanker wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:18 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am One in 6 now vaccinated
Over a million jabs
120k last week the most so far

Just a bit of good news Joe
How many people fully vaccinated?
12.5% I think
7% as of Saturday.
https://twitter.com/IrelandVaccine/stat ... 0918918144
17% first jab, which will still have a massive part to play in reducing serious illness.
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Nolanator wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:02 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:19 am
feckwanker wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:18 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am One in 6 now vaccinated
Over a million jabs
120k last week the most so far

Just a bit of good news Joe
How many people fully vaccinated?
12.5% I think
7% as of Saturday.
https://twitter.com/IrelandVaccine/stat ... 0918918144
17% first jab, which will still have a massive part to play in reducing serious illness.
'percentages of 16+ population only'
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:52 pm
Nolanator wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:02 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:19 am
feckwanker wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:18 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am One in 6 now vaccinated
Over a million jabs
120k last week the most so far

Just a bit of good news Joe
How many people fully vaccinated?
12.5% I think
7% as of Saturday.
https://twitter.com/IrelandVaccine/stat ... 0918918144
17% first jab, which will still have a massive part to play in reducing serious illness.
'percentages of 16+ population only'
Fair comment, but in the scheme of who is going to be vaccinated and who's likely to get symptoms or sick, it's still relevant.
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Just so we can quote comparable figures.
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Yeah that's fair enough, in that context.

https://twitter.com/irishvaccinebot/sta ... 1251406848

13.5/5.5% as of Saturday.
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So its confirmed that one of Busty St.Clair and Chesty Le Roux have covid.

Also, rumours starting of a connection to a certain international cartel that are hiding in Dubai these days. Although could easily be bullshit tbf
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HighKingLeinster wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:43 pm So its confirmed that one of Busty St.Clair and Chesty Le Roux have covid.

Also, rumours starting of a connection to a certain international cartel that are hiding in Dubai these days. Although could easily be bullshit tbf
Well the first bit means the whingers will now believe they were correct to argue for cancelling all flights. MHQ is now going to be imossible to remove. Forget about sunny holidays this year, and next.
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