Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

[danthefan]

We managed it for testing. We should be able to manage it for vaccinations.

[Rumham]

We managed it for testing. We should be able to manage it for vaccinations.

Already losing valuable time. I would very much like to be surprised.

[ID2]

I really don't see what the huge issue is. Do you want them to say 3 died today, 4 died yesterday, 5 on Monday etc?
Does it make them more dead?
There could be the fact that the deaths are only officially getting reported to NPHET at this stage.
Some of you guys are seriously becoming borderline Gemmaroids

There'd be plenty of Donald supporters on here if this was America going by all the conspiracies posted on this thread, probably larping around the Capitol, cammy in full airforce regalia. "it's just a flu" "it doesn't kill people" "the new strain is just a conspiracy by Boris Johnson" "opening pubs and restaurants doesn't contribute to spreading it" "nphet is making a power grab to take over the country" "here's a great article...dailymail.co.uk"

[Duff Paddy]

We managed it for testing. We should be able to manage it for vaccinations.

That’s not the point. They will eventually have a very good vaccination programme. The point is the their lack of dynamism in the midst of an emergency. We are amongst the slowest to get going on widespread vaccinations and it just reinforces the idea that it’s easier for them to just keep on locking down the country.

[Duff Paddy]

Scally on this morning giving it the full zero covid. We mustn’t open up until we have very high levels of vaccinations throughout the population. Conservatively that would be the end of 2021. These lads have lost the plot.

[Duff Paddy]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... NKBN29J004

Poorly reported study here apologies - 44 possible/probable covid reinfections out of 6,600 people with detectable antibodies against covid (previously infected). Basically if you’ve had it then you’re extremely unlikely to get it again within 6months. The study is ongoing

[feckwanker]

Mary going all in https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/m ... 66172.html

Cmon guys what's the problem with child molestation if like say the guy is a great film maker or like an actor or say even the brother of a famous Irish revolutionary leader. Like Cmon.

Won't go down too well with all the new woke Shinners.

[EverReady]

Mary going all in https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/m ... 66172.html

Cmon guys what's the problem with child molestation if like say the guy is a great film maker or like an actor or say even the brother of a famous Irish revolutionary leader. Like Cmon.

Won't go down too well with all the new woke Shinners.

They won't give a fück. All they can see is apartments in the docks at 500 quid a month

[CM11]

Scally on this morning giving it the full zero covid. We mustn’t open up until we have very high levels of vaccinations throughout the population. Conservatively that would be the end of 2021. These lads have lost the plot.

I know you'll believe it when you see it but Donnelly saying most adults vaccinated by end of the summer.

700k by end of March, if done right (yes, yes), should allow us to stop worrying.

[EverReady]

I should note feckwanker the now obvious intersection between the Shinners and Trumpist/Boris nationalist PC Gorn mad loyalists is hilarious. All a little bit racist, all hate the man telling them what to do and what to watch. The only difference here is they have managed to get some thick as pig shit Una Mullally student types to legitimise them with more empathetic types. The army council in Belfast must shit themselves laughing

[Duff Paddy]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4457365?


Exactly as predicted 5-6 pages ago

In certain instances non-frontline staff have received the vaccine to ensure that no vaccine is wasted.

We simply couldn’t find any other front line workers in a tertiary referral hospital with over two thousand clinical staff so we had to give it to the CEO so it wouldn’t be wasted you have to hand it to them

[Gavin Duffy]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4457365?


Exactly as predicted 5-6 pages ago

In certain instances non-frontline staff have received the vaccine to ensure that no vaccine is wasted.

We simply couldn’t find any other front line workers in a tertiary referral hospital with over two thousand clinical staff so we had to give it to the CEO so it wouldn’t be wasted you have to hand it to them

It may also be important for people “in leadership roles” to get vaccinated early in order to help develop public confidence in Covid-19 vaccines.

[MunsterMan!!!!!]

Mary going all in https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/m ... 66172.html

Cmon guys what's the problem with child molestation if like say the guy is a great film maker or like an actor or say even the brother of a famous Irish revolutionary leader. Like Cmon.

Won't go down too well with all the new woke Shinners.

They won't give a fück. All they can see is apartments in the docks at 500 quid a month

I disagree, that is where their support is weakest (I hope). well it ain't the republican side or the socialist side

[Blackrock Bullet]

They're giving it out at nursing homes to next of kin and families if there's excess at the end of the day. I don't have a problem with that in the round but it might be better to partner up with local GPs to try and get very at risk people who are outside of the nursing home space done earlier.

[Blackrock Bullet]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4457365?


Exactly as predicted 5-6 pages ago

In certain instances non-frontline staff have received the vaccine to ensure that no vaccine is wasted.

We simply couldn’t find any other front line workers in a tertiary referral hospital with over two thousand clinical staff so we had to give it to the CEO so it wouldn’t be wasted you have to hand it to them

It may also be important for people “in leadership roles” to get vaccinated early in order to help develop public confidence in Covid-19 vaccines.

Ha, the pen pushers WFHing anyway are "leaders". It would make more sense to do each of the Party leaders but of course politics being politics it won't happen.

[danthefan]

They're giving it out at nursing homes to next of kin and families if there's excess at the end of the day. I don't have a problem with that in the round but it might be better to partner up with local GPs to try and get very at risk people who are outside of the nursing home space done earlier.

GPs or at least many of them can't store the Pfizer vaccine

[Blackrock Bullet]

They're giving it out at nursing homes to next of kin and families if there's excess at the end of the day. I don't have a problem with that in the round but it might be better to partner up with local GPs to try and get very at risk people who are outside of the nursing home space done earlier.

GPs or at least many of them can't store the Pfizer vaccine

No - I mean what happens is the HSE vac team come in with 100 doses. If for whatever reason only 95 are used, they will ask people there to bring next of kin up so they are not wasted.

It would be better to partner with a local GP to have people even on an unofficial waiting list, bring them up to the nursing home at the end of the day and go from there.

[ticketlessinseattle]

Time for weekly updates then, as we've said for months time to dump the scare at bedtime.

Politically impossible. As soon as the daily press conference stops it will be taken as a signal that the crisis is over. That can't happen until this wave is well and truly gone and the vaccine rollout is well advanced. Arguably it should never have started, but as it's there it can't be stopped for now.

You can imagine the reaction: what are they hiding?

so keep reporting bullshit numbers and still not reporting the vaccine rollout numbers - the one thing they can control and promised to do last week ?

[ticketlessinseattle]

Mary going all in https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/m ... 66172.html

Cmon guys what's the problem with child molestation if like say the guy is a great film maker or like an actor or say even the brother of a famous Irish revolutionary leader. Like Cmon.

Jesus, that seems like a misstep by Mary Lou in terms of how the woke crowd will react,,,,keep going Mary Lou

[ticketlessinseattle]

Can any one tell me why, when money is being spent like a drunken sailor, NPHET/HSE didn't fit out a half a dozen standard containers as mobile vaccination units?

Put in a Genny, run the electrics etc., whiterock the walls, altro the floors, put in a small super freezer, a boosted wifi aerial, some benches and chairs, and away you go. Visit NHs one at a time and vaccinate one and all, then move on to the next.

What you’re looking for is military logistics. This is the HSE you’re talking about. Not in a million years would they move that fast on anything.

I think at one point either the Irish army themselves suggested they assist or someone recommended they do ; anyway, if you got Bono's buddy, Liam Casey, Michael O'Leary and a few others running it, we'd all be vaccinated by Paddy's day with a free scratch card and discounted Dr, Dre headphones

[ticketlessinseattle]

Can any one tell me why, when money is being spent like a drunken sailor, NPHET/HSE didn't fit out a half a dozen standard containers as mobile vaccination units?

Put in a Genny, run the electrics etc., whiterock the walls, altro the floors, put in a small super freezer, a boosted wifi aerial, some benches and chairs, and away you go. Visit NHs one at a time and vaccinate one and all, then move on to the next.

looks like Denmark have figured it out....
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/e ... -1.4457739

[anonymous_joe]

People can't see the wood for the trees when it comes to the HSE.

Years ago when I was a devil I sat through a trial where one of the persons involved worked for the HSE. Their work involved organising day trips to bring disabled children to meet animals. This is perfectly laudable in its goals, but what was interesting is that there was an entire command structure in place to organise this entity.

What that really meant was that some shíthole town in the Midlands now had a half-dozen people all earning at least €60k a year.

That's what the HSE is. We use it as the Americans use the armed forces. It's an economic redistributor and nothing else.

[ticketlessinseattle]

We managed it for testing. We should be able to manage it for vaccinations.

That’s not the point. They will eventually have a very good vaccination programme. The point is the their lack of dynamism in the midst of an emergency. We are amongst the slowest to get going on widespread vaccinations and it just reinforces the idea that it’s easier for them to just keep on locking down the country.

literally the killer is the lack of dynamism would have applied last March when this shit show hit, they've had 9 months headstart to prepare for the roll out and then tell us there's training issues, getting informed consent paperwork through legal and have a tracking system whereby staff are downloading data from one IT system and manually uploading it to another...."but we're in the testing phase now" ...

[ticketlessinseattle]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... NKBN29J004

Poorly reported study here apologies - 44 possible/probable covid reinfections out of 6,600 people with detectable antibodies against covid (previously infected). Basically if you’ve had it then you’re extremely unlikely to get it again within 6months. The study is ongoing

[ticketlessinseattle]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4457365?


Exactly as predicted 5-6 pages ago

In certain instances non-frontline staff have received the vaccine to ensure that no vaccine is wasted.

We simply couldn’t find any other front line workers in a tertiary referral hospital with over two thousand clinical staff so we had to give it to the CEO so it wouldn’t be wasted you have to hand it to them

I went to the dark side and started tweeting yesterday ; there was a tweet from HSE of a picture of someone getting vaccinated in "RoyalDonnybrook" and a tweet that "higher management" are now all vaccinated - I asked for what was meant by higher management, how they determined which of the 15 tiers they were in ....basically all I got was that they're all "healhcare workers" and a bunch of people defending them and others asking for more details

[ticketlessinseattle]

They're giving it out at nursing homes to next of kin and families if there's excess at the end of the day. I don't have a problem with that in the round but it might be better to partner up with local GPs to try and get very at risk people who are outside of the nursing home space done earlier.

GPs or at least many of them can't store the Pfizer vaccine

hmmmm, maybe they should have some that can in each geographical area ? it can be refrigerated relatively easily for 5 days I think ?

[feckwanker]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4457365?


Exactly as predicted 5-6 pages ago

In certain instances non-frontline staff have received the vaccine to ensure that no vaccine is wasted.

We simply couldn’t find any other front line workers in a tertiary referral hospital with over two thousand clinical staff so we had to give it to the CEO so it wouldn’t be wasted you have to hand it to them

I went to the dark side and started tweeting yesterday ; there was a tweet from HSE of a picture of someone getting vaccinated in "RoyalDonnybrook" and a tweet that "higher management" are now all vaccinated - I asked for what was meant by higher management, how they determined which of the 15 tiers they were in ....basically all I got was that they're all "healhcare workers" and a bunch of people defending them and others asking for more details

[Leinsterman]

Vaccination figures are to be on the Covid hub from this weekend and will be updated regularly

[ticketlessinseattle]

but not part of the daily scare at bedtime ?

[ticketlessinseattle]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4457365?


Exactly as predicted 5-6 pages ago

In certain instances non-frontline staff have received the vaccine to ensure that no vaccine is wasted.

We simply couldn’t find any other front line workers in a tertiary referral hospital with over two thousand clinical staff so we had to give it to the CEO so it wouldn’t be wasted you have to hand it to them

I went to the dark side and started tweeting yesterday ; there was a tweet from HSE of a picture of someone getting vaccinated in "RoyalDonnybrook" and a tweet that "higher management" are now all vaccinated - I asked for what was meant by higher management, how they determined which of the 15 tiers they were in ....basically all I got was that they're all "healhcare workers" and a bunch of people defending them and others asking for more details

if you cant beat them.....something something

[Leinsterman]

but not part of the daily scare at bedtime ?

I'm merely posting what was in one of the papers.

[Blackrock Bullet]

People can't see the wood for the trees when it comes to the HSE.

Years ago when I was a devil I sat through a trial where one of the persons involved worked for the HSE. Their work involved organising day trips to bring disabled children to meet animals. This is perfectly laudable in its goals, but what was interesting is that there was an entire command structure in place to organise this entity.

What that really meant was that some shíthole town in the Midlands now had a half-dozen people all earning at least €60k a year.

That's what the HSE is. We use it as the Americans use the armed forces. It's an economic redistributor and nothing else.

The HSE are not the only ones to make balls ups in fairness. All over the world the vaccine programmes have had blunders. Some of these were well intentioned ones - like the Germans and the freezers early on. You don't have as much of an issue with that though as there was a logic to it, we simply took a lazy arse covering one which almost certainly had more to do with people being off work for Christmas than the excuses they rolled out.

The big difference between Ireland and other countries seems to be that we have decided that the HSE and civil servants are beyond accountability. Tony Holohan, Ronan Glynn and Philip Nolan are household names & treated with reverence. You can't ask why frontline workers were not vaccinated from day one and if you dare to say it might be to do with annual leave, you are a meany because they have had such a hard year, despite the fact that we didn't have a a particularly hard March/April in hospitals relative to our neighbours and the Christmas run in was quiet. Criticism of the health service comes back to funding and the Gubernment, rather than issues with their own competency.

As Dan said, if they treated the rollout of the vaccine like testing we'd be in a better place. The chains of command were removed and things were done.

[EverReady]

I really don't see what the huge issue is. Do you want them to say 3 died today, 4 died yesterday, 5 on Monday etc?
Does it make them more dead?
There could be the fact that the deaths are only officially getting reported to NPHET at this stage.
Some of you guys are seriously becoming borderline Gemmaroids

There'd be plenty of Donald supporters on here if this was America going by all the conspiracies posted on this thread, probably larping around the Capitol, cammy in full airforce regalia. "it's just a flu" "it doesn't kill people" "the new strain is just a conspiracy by Boris Johnson" "opening pubs and restaurants doesn't contribute to spreading it" "nphet is making a power grab to take over the country" "here's a great article...dailymail.co.uk"

Actually what you have done is quite Trumpist. You have completely misrepresented the disparate views of people who are dubious of the Government repsonse. You have virtually nobody on this thread expressing the views you have said. Most views have had sound evidence behind them. Many have been turned out to be true. Some posters are one end of the spectrum like me who believes it's massive overkill and others like Stats vacillate. I wouldn't say the other end of the spectrum is weak but you know that's for you to decide. Then obviously outside of the normal people you have Botha and your crew on the opposite side scrapping it out to see who can be purest

[EverReady]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4457365?


Exactly as predicted 5-6 pages ago

In certain instances non-frontline staff have received the vaccine to ensure that no vaccine is wasted.

We simply couldn’t find any other front line workers in a tertiary referral hospital with over two thousand clinical staff so we had to give it to the CEO so it wouldn’t be wasted you have to hand it to them

I went to the dark side and started tweeting yesterday ; there was a tweet from HSE of a picture of someone getting vaccinated in "RoyalDonnybrook" and a tweet that "higher management" are now all vaccinated - I asked for what was meant by higher management, how they determined which of the 15 tiers they were in ....basically all I got was that they're all "healhcare workers" and a bunch of people defending them and others asking for more details

The WFH heroes just happened to be in when the vaccine was being dolled out. AMAZING

[Blackrock Bullet]

They're giving it out at nursing homes to next of kin and families if there's excess at the end of the day. I don't have a problem with that in the round but it might be better to partner up with local GPs to try and get very at risk people who are outside of the nursing home space done earlier.

GPs or at least many of them can't store the Pfizer vaccine

hmmmm, maybe they should have some that can in each geographical area ? it can be refrigerated relatively easily for 5 days I think ?

You don't need to. Just have a couple of GPs on call, get the names of vulnerable people in the locality. You don't have to tell them they are on a waiting list or make any promises, but a phone call at 5pm to get down to X nursing home to get your vaccine as there's spare is easily done.

The system needed to be dynamic. It's good that they aren't being wasted, and it looks like lessons have been learned from abroad, but it goes back to planning. The world over we keep treating this as a whole of population issue when there are 2 to 3 acute problems. Mike Ryan of the WHO said himself that this was a relatively piddly pandemic. Young social media and comfortable WFHers are more interested in their own risk and are not pushing these things, despite the fact that for most of them it is fudge all. I think the social media wokesters that drive concersations got more upset that meat plants and Direct Provision centres had outbreaks rather than the likes of Oaklands nursing home, where HIQA reports on its deficiencies over Covid seemed to be gathering dust for months when HIQA members sit on NPHET. Too busy getting themselves into a lather over a Guardian article about a superspreader event in a pub in Abedereen where a couple of dozen millenials caught it.

[CM11]

I really don't see what the huge issue is. Do you want them to say 3 died today, 4 died yesterday, 5 on Monday etc?
Does it make them more dead?
There could be the fact that the deaths are only officially getting reported to NPHET at this stage.
Some of you guys are seriously becoming borderline Gemmaroids

There'd be plenty of Donald supporters on here if this was America going by all the conspiracies posted on this thread, probably larping around the Capitol, cammy in full airforce regalia. "it's just a flu" "it doesn't kill people" "the new strain is just a conspiracy by Boris Johnson" "opening pubs and restaurants doesn't contribute to spreading it" "nphet is making a power grab to take over the country" "here's a great article...dailymail.co.uk"

Actually what you have done is quite Trumpist. You have completely misrepresented the disparate views of people who are dubious of the Government repsonse. You have virtually nobody on this thread expressing the views you have said. Most views have had sound evidence behind them. Many have been turned out to be true. Some posters are one end of the spectrum like me who believes it's massive overkill and others like Stats vacillate. I wouldn't say the other end of the spectrum is weak but you know that's for you to decide. Then obviously outside of the normal people you have Botha and your crew on the opposite side scrapping it out to see who can be purest

He's pretty much done what Trump and others have done and taken alternate views around the centre and presented them as black and white. It's like Lorcan yesterday talking about confirmation bias when half the posts on the page were doing the opposite.

[Blackrock Bullet]

I really don't see what the huge issue is. Do you want them to say 3 died today, 4 died yesterday, 5 on Monday etc?
Does it make them more dead?
There could be the fact that the deaths are only officially getting reported to NPHET at this stage.
Some of you guys are seriously becoming borderline Gemmaroids

There'd be plenty of Donald supporters on here if this was America going by all the conspiracies posted on this thread, probably larping around the Capitol, cammy in full airforce regalia. "it's just a flu" "it doesn't kill people" "the new strain is just a conspiracy by Boris Johnson" "opening pubs and restaurants doesn't contribute to spreading it" "nphet is making a power grab to take over the country" "here's a great article...dailymail.co.uk"

Actually what you have done is quite Trumpist. You have completely misrepresented the disparate views of people who are dubious of the Government repsonse. You have virtually nobody on this thread expressing the views you have said. Most views have had sound evidence behind them. Many have been turned out to be true. Some posters are one end of the spectrum like me who believes it's massive overkill and others like Stats vacillate. I wouldn't say the other end of the spectrum is weak but you know that's for you to decide. Then obviously outside of the normal people you have Botha and your crew on the opposite side scrapping it out to see who can be purest

It’s also highly Trumpian to just double down on “my experts” and ignore anything to the contrary. Most positions have evolved here as this has gone on and they have seen what has happened in front of them.

As AJ said, if we had an inquiry into the actions since the start of the Pandemic it would not be pretty for many Civil Servants. The problem is that it has to be all or nothing for some. Mistakes in nursing homes early on were understandable, banning visitors seemed inhumane and there wasn’t PPE. Since then though the mistakes have stacked up, not following up HIQA reports on Covid deficiencies. But apparently Tony doesn’t think it matters as long as there is widespread community spread. That may be, but do we know for sure? We don’t because we half assed improvements. He only says that now because he lost all sight of proportionately during the Springtime as he became the cases countdown caller. If you had an enquiry into it all of his actions would be questioned and criticised, where in reality it is mostly the actions since March that were the ones where there is an issue.

On the favourite topic of bars and restaurants, again the primary criticism was if their lazy approach, using lazy associational studies and giving into suppositions. It doesn’t make you Trump to ask why 10s of thousands can lose their jobs overnight when the Civil Servants hasn’t bothered to do what they were asked on contact tracing. Apparently you want to let it rip though because you advocate keeping people in jobs whilst using proportionate public health measures like table service and table limits though.

We all know this comes down to behaviour. I was talking to a young trainee yesterday and a group of his college friends had a super outbreak. They were no where near a bar or restaurant, all at a house to have their lads dinner. Of the 12 of them, 8 got it and the 4 who didn’t had it months ago. Multiply that to however many of them have housemates and then worse their families over Christmas (though they all knew they had it 2 days before Christmas so isolated) and that’s why we are where we are. Eejits and personal responsibility is needed but it is of no surprise. Several of them are probably still in college doing Masters and have had little to do all year. Several of them missed out on travelling. Several of them on the PUP. It’s cry me a river stuff but I’m sure most of them followed the public health advice in March and the autumn. The overuse of the lockdown and general restrictions with people now desensitised to 1,000 cases a day combined with a gloomy communications picture from Cardinal Holohan meant many just wanted to take a break this Christmas.

[Flametop]

The overuse of the lockdown is a valid point.

The bargain was that we would obey lockdown and the prize for doing so was two weeks out of jail at Christmas as promised. Quite a few obeyed and were not going to be denied the prize of work dos and parties along with brothers/sisters, cousins, aunties and uncles and grandparents having a big Christmas dinner together.
The rest haven’t been obeying along so don’t care and so carried on with reckless abandon with a bit more time off to do it a bit more.

So big surprise we are where we are.

[lorcanoworms]

Newly built nursing home beside me has started to take in and quarantine patients and then assign them their rooms.

[ID2]

They're giving it out at nursing homes to next of kin and families if there's excess at the end of the day. I don't have a problem with that in the round but it might be better to partner up with local GPs to try and get very at risk people who are outside of the nursing home space done earlier.

GPs or at least many of them can't store the Pfizer vaccine

No - I mean what happens is the HSE vac team come in with 100 doses. If for whatever reason only 95 are used, they will ask people there to bring next of kin up so they are not wasted.

It would be better to partner with a local GP to have people even on an unofficial waiting list, bring them up to the nursing home at the end of the day and go from there.

I wonder if they're keeping track of who they give the extra doses to, after the IT case reporting fiasco and quotes like this “I got one as well because there was some left over in a vial and it’s just one of those things that it was such a precious substance that they didn’t want to throw it down the drain.” too" I'd have my doubts