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I know. It's insane. Let's be clear the end of March is the beginning of the end of this round of restrictions. Many many businesses will be waiting far longer and of course many will be gone.
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EverReady wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:47 pm I know. It's insane. Let's be clear the end of March is the beginning of the end of this round of restrictions. Many many businesses will be waiting far longer and of course many will be gone.
There is pressure on us from the EU to open up by summer. Southern European countries lobbying hard to get tourists. It won't be our government who tells NPHET to pack their bags. It will be the EU Council and EU Commission
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:54 pm
EverReady wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:47 pm I know. It's insane. Let's be clear the end of March is the beginning of the end of this round of restrictions. Many many businesses will be waiting far longer and of course many will be gone.
There is pressure on us from the EU to open up by summer. Southern European countries lobbying hard to get tourists. It won't be our government who tells NPHET to pack their bags. It will be the EU Council and EU Commission
Ah stop the EU isn't gonna force any country to do anything covid related.
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Force no. Pressure yes. I unfortunately don't think we will bend as populism has a hold here
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Pressure :lol:

Ireland have sent the last 15 years breaking sustainable energy targets and we're only getting fined this year. The lads in Hungary are basically lodging EU funds straight into their personnel bank accounts.

I've great time for the EU but they'll force nothing in the time frame youre suggesting plus they shouldn't these are national issues.
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Climate change by its very nature is not a national issue
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EverReady wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:10 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:53 pm So what's your solution? Piss and moan about things that are outside everyone's control?
Outside our control :lol: They can't just do shit that we don't want. Well the Shinners will but you catch my drift. The fact the perfect storm of stay at home wankers and various other arse scratchers from across the political spectrum are happy probably means something is wrong.
WTF are you on about? Do you think the current restrictions are because of people happily scratching their arses on the PUP, rather than the spoke in cases and related deaths?

You sound like you're doing an Earl and getting upset at something that hasn't happened yet.
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nardol wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:23 am Climate change by its very nature is not a national issue
OK

Not sure what that has got to do with anything
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MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:28 am
nardol wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:23 am Climate change by its very nature is not a national issue
OK

Not sure what that has got to do with anything
These are not national issues. Not climate change not covid. They need a supranational approach.
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Nolanator wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:27 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:10 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:53 pm So what's your solution? Piss and moan about things that are outside everyone's control?
Outside our control :lol: They can't just do shit that we don't want. Well the Shinners will but you catch my drift. The fact the perfect storm of stay at home wankers and various other arse scratchers from across the political spectrum are happy probably means something is wrong.
WTF are you on about? Do you think the current restrictions are because of people happily scratching their arses on the PUP, rather than the spoke in cases and related deaths?

You sound like you're doing an Earl and getting upset at something that hasn't happened yet.
I could genuinely WTF it as well. You are a science dude so clearly academically and emotionally retarded. The science guys always were. Don't get me wrong you landed us on the moon, ok that was the engineers, but you discovered the stuff about how the universe worked, shit that wasn't you either. Look you made test tube babies or some shite. Things join up and things fall apart and this whole shit show has been one long disintegration. The fact anybody found themselves believing HSE management and PH officials should be running this country will go down on history as some of the most extraordinary things ever.
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MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:19 am Pressure :lol:

Ireland have sent the last 15 years breaking sustainable energy targets and we're only getting fined this year. The lads in Hungary are basically lodging EU funds straight into their personnel bank accounts.

I've great time for the EU but they'll force nothing in the time frame youre suggesting plus they shouldn't these are national issues.
I literally just agreed we wouldn't do what the EU wanted but other countries will Does nobody read anything around here. . As for Hungary- Jesus Christ are you really doing that.
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MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:19 am Pressure :lol:

Ireland have sent the last 15 years breaking sustainable energy targets and we're only getting fined this year. The lads in Hungary are basically lodging EU funds straight into their personnel bank accounts.

I've great time for the EU but they'll force nothing in the time frame youre suggesting plus they shouldn't these are national issues.
We also ignored them on travel last year until after the summer period when flights declined regardless.

It'll be the ECB and markets that prompt a change.
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EverReady wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:44 am
Nolanator wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:27 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:10 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:53 pm So what's your solution? Piss and moan about things that are outside everyone's control?
Outside our control :lol: They can't just do shit that we don't want. Well the Shinners will but you catch my drift. The fact the perfect storm of stay at home wankers and various other arse scratchers from across the political spectrum are happy probably means something is wrong.
WTF are you on about? Do you think the current restrictions are because of people happily scratching their arses on the PUP, rather than the spoke in cases and related deaths?

You sound like you're doing an Earl and getting upset at something that hasn't happened yet.
I could genuinely WTF it as well. You are a science dude so clearly academically and emotionally retarded. The science guys always were. Don't get me wrong you landed us on the moon, ok that was the engineers, but you discovered the stuff about how the universe worked, shit that wasn't you either. Look you made test tube babies or some shite. Things join up and things fall apart and this whole shit show has been one long disintegration. The fact anybody found themselves believing HSE management and PH officials should be running this country will go down on history as some of the most extraordinary things ever.
I'm really not sure exactly what points you think you're arguing with me over. :?
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Nolanator wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:53 pm So what's your solution? Piss and moan about things that are outside everyone's control?
I thought that was clear by now
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EverReady wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:46 am
MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:19 am Pressure :lol:

Ireland have sent the last 15 years breaking sustainable energy targets and we're only getting fined this year. The lads in Hungary are basically lodging EU funds straight into their personnel bank accounts.

I've great time for the EU but they'll force nothing in the time frame youre suggesting plus they shouldn't these are national issues.
I literally just agreed we wouldn't do what the EU wanted but other countries will Does nobody read anything around here. . As for Hungary- Jesus Christ are you really doing that.
My point is that in reality EU aren't our overlords, rely on good will.

@Nordal see above
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Mullet 2 wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:28 am
Nolanator wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:53 pm So what's your solution? Piss and moan about things that are outside everyone's control?
I thought that was clear by now
You given up on the canvassing? Sure why bother your arse. It's all outside our control either way
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EverReady wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:45 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:28 am
Nolanator wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:53 pm So what's your solution? Piss and moan about things that are outside everyone's control?
I thought that was clear by now
You given up on the canvassing? Sure why bother your arse. It's all outside our control either way

Moaning on PR is activism now? Sweet
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Good article by Stephen Collins in todays IT on Trumpism in Irish Politics.
Biden’s wise words had a resonance far beyond the shores of the United States and not only because he has pledged to bring the US back to playing a vital role in international affairs. There is also a message for other democracies, including our own, who face similar challenges to the legitimacy of traditional political values.

His plea to American politicians to “stop the shouting and lower the temperature” could well be applied to Dáil Éireann where aggressive grandstanding by Opposition TDs like Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald and Richard Boyd Barrett have become the norm.
A powerful element of his strategy was to dominate social media with a stream of abusive and hate-filled tweets, which set the tone for much of the public discourse during his presidency ..................It is no accident that the Trump social media strategy has been adopted here by Sinn Féin and a variety of extremists who dominate exchanges with aggressive and hate-filled messages which tend to drive more considered voices to the margins. Irish politics has steadily become more Trumpian in recent years and there is no sign that is about to change

If anything the signs are that the Trump playbook has taken firm root in Irish politics and, if the opinion polls are to be believed, it is his values rather than those of Biden that are set to prevail here at the next election.
The lesson for centre parties here is that they need to get back to basics with good organisation at constituency level and an active role in the community at all levels. They cannot afford to remain aloof from the fray and give credence to the taunts that they are elitists who have lost contact with the public.

The other big lesson for the three Government parties is that they need to do a much better job of communicating what they are doing and why to the public. If they don’t the patently untrue Trumpian message that we have never had it so bad will continue to resonate with the electorate.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/step ... -1.4464483
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It is the harvest that we sowed.

Educational Standards across the West have plummeted at the same time as a message that every-bodies opinion is of equal value has flourished. A generation of young people have come along that are not that bright really, believe that life should be easy and that money and houses are a right.

It suited politicians to paint a picture that the state was always the answer and now people believe it. When was the last time you read any party seriously make a case for limited Government here?
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camroc1 wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:15 am Good article by Stephen Collins in todays IT on Trumpism in Irish Politics.
Biden’s wise words had a resonance far beyond the shores of the United States and not only because he has pledged to bring the US back to playing a vital role in international affairs. There is also a message for other democracies, including our own, who face similar challenges to the legitimacy of traditional political values.

His plea to American politicians to “stop the shouting and lower the temperature” could well be applied to Dáil Éireann where aggressive grandstanding by Opposition TDs like Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald and Richard Boyd Barrett have become the norm.
A powerful element of his strategy was to dominate social media with a stream of abusive and hate-filled tweets, which set the tone for much of the public discourse during his presidency ..................It is no accident that the Trump social media strategy has been adopted here by Sinn Féin and a variety of extremists who dominate exchanges with aggressive and hate-filled messages which tend to drive more considered voices to the margins. Irish politics has steadily become more Trumpian in recent years and there is no sign that is about to change

If anything the signs are that the Trump playbook has taken firm root in Irish politics and, if the opinion polls are to be believed, it is his values rather than those of Biden that are set to prevail here at the next election.
The lesson for centre parties here is that they need to get back to basics with good organisation at constituency level and an active role in the community at all levels. They cannot afford to remain aloof from the fray and give credence to the taunts that they are elitists who have lost contact with the public.

The other big lesson for the three Government parties is that they need to do a much better job of communicating what they are doing and why to the public. If they don’t the patently untrue Trumpian message that we have never had it so bad will continue to resonate with the electorate.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/step ... -1.4464483
This is a huge one, they need to take the credit for stuff they do. We have half the country saying "The government have been doing nothing about housing!!"

But one thing hey need to engage in social media campaigns too. If you're looking at the US both sides have a strong social media presence. Unfortunately that's part of the reality of politics at the moment.
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On the topic of road traffic from earlier in the week, I was driving around yesterday afternoon and it's much busier in the suburbs at that time than it is in the city centre. Commuting into town is a piece of piss, the city centre is really quiet.

Makes sense if people are largely staying roughly within the areas where they live.
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de_Selby wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:32 am
camroc1 wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:15 am Good article by Stephen Collins in todays IT on Trumpism in Irish Politics.
Biden’s wise words had a resonance far beyond the shores of the United States and not only because he has pledged to bring the US back to playing a vital role in international affairs. There is also a message for other democracies, including our own, who face similar challenges to the legitimacy of traditional political values.

His plea to American politicians to “stop the shouting and lower the temperature” could well be applied to Dáil Éireann where aggressive grandstanding by Opposition TDs like Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald and Richard Boyd Barrett have become the norm.
A powerful element of his strategy was to dominate social media with a stream of abusive and hate-filled tweets, which set the tone for much of the public discourse during his presidency ..................It is no accident that the Trump social media strategy has been adopted here by Sinn Féin and a variety of extremists who dominate exchanges with aggressive and hate-filled messages which tend to drive more considered voices to the margins. Irish politics has steadily become more Trumpian in recent years and there is no sign that is about to change

If anything the signs are that the Trump playbook has taken firm root in Irish politics and, if the opinion polls are to be believed, it is his values rather than those of Biden that are set to prevail here at the next election.
The lesson for centre parties here is that they need to get back to basics with good organisation at constituency level and an active role in the community at all levels. They cannot afford to remain aloof from the fray and give credence to the taunts that they are elitists who have lost contact with the public.

The other big lesson for the three Government parties is that they need to do a much better job of communicating what they are doing and why to the public. If they don’t the patently untrue Trumpian message that we have never had it so bad will continue to resonate with the electorate.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/step ... -1.4464483
This is a huge one, they need to take the credit for stuff they do. We have half the country saying "The government have been doing nothing about housing!!"

But one thing hey need to engage in social media campaigns too. If you're looking at the US both sides have a strong social media presence. Unfortunately that's part of the reality of politics at the moment.
The recent poll comparisons about the restrictions being lifted in December says it all. The people are idiots.
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:46 pm
themaddog wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:11 pm FFS Tommy Ryan on Primetime talking about possible new variants that can evade the vaccines. :lol:

That's proper scaremongering. RTE are a disgrace allowing stuff like that to be said

Luke O Neill said the Chinese Sinovac works against all the variants as it contains a dead virus.

The Pfizer and Moderna use mRNA which contains messengers that recognise spike proteins. So for variants if they mutate too much the mRNA needs to be updated which takes 6 weeks.

The viral vector vaccines may work against the variants. AstraZeneca and J&J are examples of viral vector vaccined. The latter only requires one shot. When that one comes out it will be the real game changer
rte really are their own echo chamber - they've not had one "expert" on that questions our approach, challenges the health service for their performance etc ; well, they did but poor fcuker got fired from his hospital ; Luke O'Neill is the only one that manages to get in some positive vibes but he's a cool, rich, punk rocker so kinda a celebrity ; bit cringy on that clear history episode
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Nolanator wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:27 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:10 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:53 pm So what's your solution? Piss and moan about things that are outside everyone's control?
Outside our control :lol: They can't just do shit that we don't want. Well the Shinners will but you catch my drift. The fact the perfect storm of stay at home wankers and various other arse scratchers from across the political spectrum are happy probably means something is wrong.
WTF are you on about? Do you think the current restrictions are because of people happily scratching their arses on the PUP, rather than the spoke in cases and related deaths?

You sound like you're doing an Earl and getting upset at something that hasn't happened yet.
yes, march or April hasn't happened yet but they're sending out their early warning signals which they usually follow through on; the narrative is that we're going to be restricted to not travelling more than 5kms, our kids will be at home from school, 100k's will not be able to work etc ; you'd swear we're holding tight until we could get a vaccine ; has there been a single announcement from the government that links possible opening up with rate of vaccination ? or is it just....house parties and pubs ?
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ticketlessinseattle wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:08 pm
Nolanator wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:27 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:10 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:53 pm So what's your solution? Piss and moan about things that are outside everyone's control?
Outside our control :lol: They can't just do shit that we don't want. Well the Shinners will but you catch my drift. The fact the perfect storm of stay at home wankers and various other arse scratchers from across the political spectrum are happy probably means something is wrong.
WTF are you on about? Do you think the current restrictions are because of people happily scratching their arses on the PUP, rather than the spoke in cases and related deaths?

You sound like you're doing an Earl and getting upset at something that hasn't happened yet.
yes, march or April hasn't happened yet but they're sending out their early warning signals which they usually follow through on; the narrative is that we're going to be restricted to not travelling more than 5kms, our kids will be at home from school, 100k's will not be able to work etc ; you'd swear we're holding tight until we could get a vaccine ; has there been a single announcement from the government that links possible opening up with rate of vaccination ? or is it just....house parties and pubs ?
As you'll note from the UK, it takes a while for the vaccination to take effect. UK had their worst day for deaths over a month after their vaccination programme started.

So rate of vaccination isn't going to lead to an exact date for 'release' as it's not an exact science. And there's nothing the government can or will do until cases drop and hospitals empty. Hopefully by the end of mid term they'll open schools and by March we can look at level 3 but it's going to be a slog for the first half of the year. Unfortunately.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:25 am It is the harvest that we sowed.

Educational Standards across the West have plummeted at the same time as a message that every-bodies opinion is of equal value has flourished. A generation of young people have come along that are not that bright really, believe that life should be easy and that money and houses are a right.

It suited politicians to paint a picture that the state was always the answer and now people believe it. When was the last time you read any party seriously make a case for limited Government here?
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Well I'm officially vaccinated (well, first shot anyway, next one on the 10th of Feb.). Have my card that says I got the dose.

It would be great if the card opened a few doors for people though, maybe open up a few pubs or restaurants for vaccinated people only. I'd keep you all up to date on the irishers pubs and restaurants thread to lift everyone's spirits.
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CM11 wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:52 am The recent poll comparisons about the restrictions being lifted in December says it all. The people are idiots.
I think there is a big caveat here. Up to that point Ireland had not really been stung badly in the pandemic - or at least not as bad as UK, DE etc. Deaths and cases were consistent but not out of control. Its natural enough that some people will be complacent about the whole thing when they have been told the sky is going to fall for 9 months but it never came to pass.

It will be interesting to see what polls look like in 30 days time after Black January
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Foot Up wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:54 pm
CM11 wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:52 am The recent poll comparisons about the restrictions being lifted in December says it all. The people are idiots.
I think there is a big caveat here. Up to that point Ireland had not really been stung badly in the pandemic - or at least not as bad as UK, DE etc. Deaths and cases were consistent but not out of control. Its natural enough that some people will be complacent about the whole thing when they have been told the sky is going to fall for 9 months but it never came to pass.

It will be interesting to see what polls look like in 30 days time after Black January
I'm referring to the poll which asked were the government right to open up in December compared to the one a week or two ago asking were they right to open. Exact opposite results.
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CM11 wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:00 pm
Foot Up wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:54 pm
CM11 wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:52 am The recent poll comparisons about the restrictions being lifted in December says it all. The people are idiots.
I think there is a big caveat here. Up to that point Ireland had not really been stung badly in the pandemic - or at least not as bad as UK, DE etc. Deaths and cases were consistent but not out of control. Its natural enough that some people will be complacent about the whole thing when they have been told the sky is going to fall for 9 months but it never came to pass.

It will be interesting to see what polls look like in 30 days time after Black January
I'm referring to the poll which asked were the government right to open up in December compared to the one a week or two ago asking were they right to open. Exact opposite results.
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normilet wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:33 pm Well I'm officially vaccinated (well, first shot anyway, next one on the 10th of Feb.). Have my card that says I got the dose.

It would be great if the card opened a few doors for people though, maybe open up a few pubs or restaurants for vaccinated people only. I'd keep you all up to date on the irishers pubs and restaurants thread to lift everyone's spirits.
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Some systems change with the vaccine alright. Missus just got a call to immediately go to the hospital and get her dose. She primary works the community so was on the list for next month
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Does anyone else not GAF about the spare doses in the Coombe and Rotunda hospitals? Or would you rather see the doses thrown out?
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paddyor wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:57 pm Does anyone else not GAF about the spare doses in the Coombe and Rotunda hospitals? Or would you rather see the doses thrown out?
Optics was all. Somebody obviously had a bee in their bonnet, some union rep nurse type, and the boss man should have foreseen this. I would have and tbf I think most others would as well. Years ago a boss I had once nearly lifted the table off the floor when he banged down on it and shouted 'THIS IS NOT A FÜCKING DEMOCRACY'. Let's be clear a huge number of employees disagree with that assessment these days
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Interesting anecdotal stories I'm hearing from a few sources is that healthcare workers who are close contacts are still getting sent home to quarantine even though they're vaccinated. When that changes , it will probably be the first indicator of trust in the vaccine from HSE/NPHET and a sign we're getting on top of it.
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Bwen wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:18 pm Interesting anecdotal stories I'm hearing from a few sources is that healthcare workers who are close contacts are still getting sent home to quarantine even though they're vaccinated. When that changes , it will probably be the first indicator of trust in the vaccine from HSE/NPHET and a sign we're getting on top of it.
Plenty of HCW will only have had one dose.
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Bwen wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:18 pm Interesting anecdotal stories I'm hearing from a few sources is that healthcare workers who are close contacts are still getting sent home to quarantine even though they're vaccinated. When that changes , it will probably be the first indicator of trust in the vaccine from HSE/NPHET and a sign we're getting on top of it.
I could be wrong but is there not still some uncertainty about whether the vaccine is effective at stopping transmission? ie. its stops you getting sick but you could still potentially infect the unvaccinated
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Who cares, corona virus two electric boogaloo is going to be the shit.

Whole vaccination programme just became pointless* with the Brazilian strain that's vaccine resistant :lol:

*it's going to be like the annual flue jab where they guess the strain to develop a vaccine for so not poi tless but a lot less effective
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HighKingLeinster wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:50 pm
Bwen wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:18 pm Interesting anecdotal stories I'm hearing from a few sources is that healthcare workers who are close contacts are still getting sent home to quarantine even though they're vaccinated. When that changes , it will probably be the first indicator of trust in the vaccine from HSE/NPHET and a sign we're getting on top of it.
I could be wrong but is there not still some uncertainty about whether the vaccine is effective at stopping transmission? ie. its stops you getting sick but you could still potentially infect the unvaccinated
It will in time show it does stop transmission
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nardol wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:00 pm Who cares, corona virus two electric boogaloo is going to be the shit.

Whole vaccination programme just became pointless* with the Brazilian strain that's vaccine resistant :lol:

*it's going to be like the annual flue jab where they guess the strain to develop a vaccine for so not poi tless but a lot less effective
The mRNAa can all be updated to account for the mutations
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