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anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:19 pm

DeDoc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:46 pm

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:25 pmMed neg is the real issue at the heart of all of this.

It's actually a problem with the State, but the insurers often end up footing the bill, or part of the bill, and those are now costing millions as cost of private care goes up and up.

I really can't follow your train of thought here?
Are you saying we have widespread medical neglicence and that is why costs are rising? In contested claims, don't the insurers have medical people who examine the injured party with regard to damage? Can't they find people to do this honestly for their side?

The Troika had a lot to say about this topic back after the crash

https://www.thejournal.ie/euroleaks-tro ... 6-Jan2013/
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0 ... left-daly/

I heard recently that more money is spent defending catastrophic injury birth cases than is spent on the births themselves.

Effectively, if your child is mangled at birth and you require significant care for the rest of your life, it has to be provided privately, so it costs a fortune.

How emotive.

Most cases of catastrophic birth defects/death are just unfortunate, ie the presence of a medical team could not have changed events. Childbirth is a dangerous natural event. The legal profession seems to be of the opinion that childbirth is not in itself dangerous.

Their legal knowledge seems to trump actual medical fact in courts of law.

How unusual.

camroc1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:09 pm
Remember our brief discussion a few weeks ago AJ, where you pooh poohed the idea of judges needing a separate education than standard lawyer training and professional experience.

Well guess what ?

Judges are now to undergo separate education including, inter alia, ethics ( ), unconscious bias, and how to treat witnesses.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.4676043

How wrong can you be ?

How am I wrong?

I said they didn't need it, and I stand by it. Gearty J is bloody good at that sort of thing, but if a judge needs that training after 20 years of practice they don't deserve to be a judge.

Just noticed your second post. Christ.

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:44 pm

I said they didn't need it, and I stand by it. Gearty J is bloody good at that sort of thing, but if a judge needs that training after 20 years of practice they don't deserve to be a judge.

In a long line of dumb posts this is probably your dumbest

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:18 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:44 pm

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:25 pm

DeDoc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:00 pm

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:37 am
The cost of claims per policy has fallen though, so any increase per claim is offset by an overall reduction in claims.

The big area that causes problems for them is medical negligence, not PI. But they don't want to admit that, because it's all too often babies who are the victims.

Yes, obviously the insurance companies have been creaming it, because it is cheaper on average per policy, but the injury awards appear to be rising.
The article you linked is specifically about motor insurance, so I don't get the relevance of medical negligence

Med neg is the real issue at the heart of all of this.

It's actually a problem with the State, but the insurers often end up footing the bill, or part of the bill, and those are now costing millions as cost of private care goes up and up.

Or the cost that the judge plucks out of his arse as the case is

You really haven't a clue.

We're in good company.

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:44 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:09 pm
Remember our brief discussion a few weeks ago AJ, where you pooh poohed the idea of judges needing a separate education than standard lawyer training and professional experience.

Well guess what ?

Judges are now to undergo separate education including, inter alia, ethics ( ), unconscious bias, and how to treat witnesses.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.4676043

How wrong can you be ?

How am I wrong?

I said they didn't need it, and I stand by it. Gearty J is bloody good at that sort of thing, but if a judge needs that training after 20 years of practice they don't deserve to be a judge.

Just noticed your second post. Christ.

Wrong in the being actually wrong sense.

Wrong in the fact that Judges are now getting a specific judicial education that you said they did not need.

ie Wrong.

I can accept the fact that you will have an argument that this does not mean legally wrong.

But, then, you're a lawyer.

(And as for your comments that PI insurance costs lawyers € 200 per professional; consulting engineers pay about € 3,000 per professional. Thanks for nothing.)

Now, now.

Why don't the IT name the ethnic group (who fought hard to differentiate themselves thus) responsible for this carnage ?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.4681244

Answers on a postcard to............

camroc1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:27 am

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:44 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:09 pm
Remember our brief discussion a few weeks ago AJ, where you pooh poohed the idea of judges needing a separate education than standard lawyer training and professional experience.

Well guess what ?

Judges are now to undergo separate education including, inter alia, ethics ( ), unconscious bias, and how to treat witnesses.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.4676043

How wrong can you be ?

How am I wrong?

I said they didn't need it, and I stand by it. Gearty J is bloody good at that sort of thing, but if a judge needs that training after 20 years of practice they don't deserve to be a judge.

Just noticed your second post. Christ.

Wrong in the being actually wrong sense.

Wrong in the fact that Judges are now getting a specific judicial education that you said they did not need.

ie Wrong.

I can accept the fact that you will have an argument that this does not mean legally wrong.

But, then, you're a lawyer.

(And as for your comments that PI insurance costs lawyers € 200 per professional; consulting engineers pay about € 3,000 per professional. Thanks for nothing.)

unlucky AJ

It’s actually a good point about indemnity costs. Barristers costs are extremely low compared to the likes of engineers and medics. Once upon a time we all had reasonable indemnity policies like that, lucky them eh.

Barrister's Immunity, a thrilling topic. My first ever legal essay in college and what an essay it was too.

FFS.

If you can remember your first ever essay in college, you weren't doing it right.

camroc1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:27 am

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:44 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:09 pm
Remember our brief discussion a few weeks ago AJ, where you pooh poohed the idea of judges needing a separate education than standard lawyer training and professional experience.

Well guess what ?

Judges are now to undergo separate education including, inter alia, ethics ( ), unconscious bias, and how to treat witnesses.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.4676043

How wrong can you be ?

How am I wrong?

I said they didn't need it, and I stand by it. Gearty J is bloody good at that sort of thing, but if a judge needs that training after 20 years of practice they don't deserve to be a judge.

Just noticed your second post. Christ.

Wrong in the being actually wrong sense.

Wrong in the fact that Judges are now getting a specific judicial education that you said they did not need.

ie Wrong.

I can accept the fact that you will have an argument that this does not mean legally wrong.

But, then, you're a lawyer.

(And as for your comments that PI insurance costs lawyers € 200 per professional; consulting engineers pay about € 3,000 per professional. Thanks for nothing.)

If you're made go on a health and safety course to teach you not to spill hot drinks, did you need to go on the course?

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:25 am Barrister's Immunity, a thrilling topic. My first ever legal essay in college and what an essay it was too.

Sadly, it was cruelly taken away from us at trial now. An English barrister started ranting at a judge and calling him biased before the trial had started apparently.

INTO having a mini tantrum at the new measures to avoid loads of children unnecessarily missing out on loads of schooling. Hilariously defending their stance by pretending it's the children they care about.

redderneck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:26 am FFS.

If you can remember your first ever essay in college, you weren't doing it right.

Never did a college essay.

Although I distinctly remember finishing handwritten physics lab reports on a packed morning Dart, standing and writing against the window.
Fun times.

redderneck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:26 am FFS.

If you can remember your first ever essay in college, you weren't doing it right.

I couldn't remember many others tbh. Easy enough to remember the first one, it was completely new doing it so it sticks with you. You also don't forget some of the bellend lecturers ("characters") that you get in UCD Law and the stuff they get fixated on. My first ever law lecture was Constitutional Law with Rossa Fanning (now a SC). He did not introduce or welcome anyone but started in on the dot with a novel like description of CC v Ireland, describing the barristers features, the atmosphere in the court etc. I couldn't tell you much about the Quinn Business School early lecturers as they were normal...

Moreover, my effort levels in college went from a mid to low as the years progressed.

Nolanator wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:41 am

redderneck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:26 am FFS.

If you can remember your first ever essay in college, you weren't doing it right.

Never did a college essay.

Although I distinctly remember finishing handwritten physics lab reports on a packed morning Dart, standing and writing against the window.
Fun times.

That's why I'm glad I didn't so something sciencey, I couldn't hack the daily reports. Much prefer the 24 sweat to get an essay done or cram for an exam.

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:51 am

redderneck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:26 am FFS.

If you can remember your first ever essay in college, you weren't doing it right.

I couldn't remember many others tbh. Easy enough to remember the first one, it was completely new doing it so it sticks with you. You also don't forget some of the bellend lecturers ("characters") that you get in UCD Law and the stuff they get fixated on. My first ever law lecture was Constitutional Law with Rossa Fanning (now a SC). He did not introduce or welcome anyone but started in on the dot with a novel like description of CC v Ireland, describing the barristers features, the atmosphere in the court etc. I couldn't tell you much about the Quinn Business School early lecturers as they were normal...

Moreover, my effort levels in college went from a mid to low as the years progressed.

He's a good raconteur when he fancies it, is Mr Fanning. Nice fella too, in fairness.

President of DCU weighing in on the governments housing for all plan.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/e ... 80643.html

Given that the crisis is most acute in Dublin, and that all the HEIs have significant amounts of land, is there an obvious (partial) solution staring us in the face.

Give all the HEIs a significant injection of funds to build student accommodation on their lands - in return for which the rents are set at an affordable level with rent increases capped at CPI levels. You could allocate (some of) the ongoing revenue to them as well, which would go a long way to solving the higher education funding crisis.

None of them have sufficient land for that kind of plan.

Most accommodation is designed to milk foreign students anyway.

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:08 pm None of them have sufficient land for that kind of plan.

Most accommodation is designed to milk foreign students anyway.

They all have land. Might need a little bit of imagination planning wise - let them go an extra few floors.

Most university accommodation built in the last 30 years is built under deals with the builders - they build, maintain and keep the revenue for 20 or so years before transferring to the university. Sometimes its part of a bigger deal where other buildings are constructed at the same time and at lower cost than they would be in a standalone deal. Its madness, but if you starve the instutions of money, it doesn't leave much choice. If you asked any president to sign a 100 year contract to provide 2000 beds for students on a non-profit basis, if you guaranteed the project they'd bit your hand off.
Rent levels and availability of places to live, not to mention cost of living are creating huge problems in the sector. I'm sure if you asked Nols he'd be able to tell stories of PhD student, post-docs or academic staff who accept or start positions and then pull out when they realise the reality of trying to live in Dublin.

Leinsterman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:52 pm

paddyor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:34 pm @Leinsterman (apologies if I've msised this)

A lot of talk about us not having enough power generation because we closed the peat plants(we're importing peat now apparently). Maybe it was ages ago and a lot oftime has passed, but did you not say we have loads of generation capactiy? Intel has weighed in ow as well.

At the time we did but, as you say, the peat plants have now closed, Moneypoint is not running at full capacity and both Whitegate and one of the Huntstown plants are offline for long term repairs. Once Whitegate and HPC are back, a lot of strain on the system will be relieved.
Whitegate had a loose part shred the turbine and Huntstown had to get a new transformer apparently. They're not the sort of thing that can be rustled up and replaced in a couple of weeks.
Another issue had been the fact that a lot of data centres have been built in the last couple of years as well.
Some peaking plants wouldn't go astray.

I’d imagine the supply chain issues plaguing the world economy aren’t helping.

Ballpark, how much are we talking for resi asbestos removal these days?

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:15 am Ballpark, how much are we talking for resi asbestos removal these days?

What type?

We had roof tiles removed (albeit from a large roof) - it cost over 10 grand.

feckwanker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:27 am

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:15 am Ballpark, how much are we talking for resi asbestos removal these days?

What type?

We had roof tiles removed (albeit from a large roof) - it cost over 10 grand.

No idea, structural survey guy said there's asbestos in a boiler house that I'm looking to get demolished anyway, the thing is only the size of a portaloo so I imagine there's a small bit in the roof alright.

Edit: over 10k??

On a completely unrelated note, AJ, what's the maximum fine/penalty for dumping asbestos in some wasteland, like Bray or something?

paddyor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:55 pm

Leinsterman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:52 pm

paddyor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:34 pm @Leinsterman (apologies if I've msised this)

A lot of talk about us not having enough power generation because we closed the peat plants(we're importing peat now apparently). Maybe it was ages ago and a lot oftime has passed, but did you not say we have loads of generation capactiy? Intel has weighed in ow as well.

At the time we did but, as you say, the peat plants have now closed, Moneypoint is not running at full capacity and both Whitegate and one of the Huntstown plants are offline for long term repairs. Once Whitegate and HPC are back, a lot of strain on the system will be relieved.
Whitegate had a loose part shred the turbine and Huntstown had to get a new transformer apparently. They're not the sort of thing that can be rustled up and replaced in a couple of weeks.
Another issue had been the fact that a lot of data centres have been built in the last couple of years as well.
Some peaking plants wouldn't go astray.

I’d imagine the supply chain issues plaguing the world economy aren’t helping.

article a couple of weeks back about the huge drain on the national grid that data centers are creating ; cant remember the % of total power but it was a eye watering amount - think it was coming into focus with Amazon (?) planing another huge one ; apparently there's discussions at government level about the possibility of blackouts - data centers apparently create feck all jobs but it probably comes with the carrot/stick of all the other jobs FANGs create

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:45 am

feckwanker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:27 am

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:15 am Ballpark, how much are we talking for resi asbestos removal these days?

What type?

We had roof tiles removed (albeit from a large roof) - it cost over 10 grand.

No idea, structural survey guy said there's asbestos in a boiler house that I'm looking to get demolished anyway, the thing is only the size of a portaloo so I imagine there's a small bit in the roof alright.

Edit: over 10k??

On a completely unrelated note, AJ, what's the maximum fine/penalty for dumping asbestos in some wasteland, like Bray or something?

Prison, in extremis.

If dumped it can cost even more because you then have to find it. Vicious stuff.

I know a solicitor in Bray who went after somebody for doing something quite similar.

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:45 am

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:45 am

feckwanker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:27 am

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:15 am Ballpark, how much are we talking for resi asbestos removal these days?

What type?

We had roof tiles removed (albeit from a large roof) - it cost over 10 grand.

No idea, structural survey guy said there's asbestos in a boiler house that I'm looking to get demolished anyway, the thing is only the size of a portaloo so I imagine there's a small bit in the roof alright.

Edit: over 10k??

On a completely unrelated note, AJ, what's the maximum fine/penalty for dumping asbestos in some wasteland, like Bray or something?

Prison, in extremis.

If dumped it can cost even more because you then have to find it. Vicious stuff.

I know a solicitor in Bray who went after somebody for doing something quite similar.

Hmm, got it, so not Bray then.

Ah well, I'd expected something like this to happen so I can swallow the cost, to be expected in a fixer-upper I guess.

Make sure your builder is trustworthy too. Some cowboys will only pretend to dispose of asbestos safely and will try and hide it in and around your property or the locale.

If it's an external boiler house for an old oil boiler, chances are the asbestos was used to make the boiler house chimney. That was the case in my house anyway. We converted to gas and then plumbed the boiler house for the washing machine, dryer etc. We haven't touched the chimney - no need (yet).
My main problem is a big fúck of shed at the end of the garden that has a very nice 15' x 8' asbestos roof. Eventually I want to knock the shed but the roof will cost a fortune to get rid of.

Leinsterman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:40 am If it's an external boiler house for an old oil boiler, chances are the asbestos was used to make the boiler house chimney. That was the case in my house anyway. We converted to gas and then plumbed the boiler house for the washing machine, dryer etc. We haven't touched the chimney - no need (yet).
My main problem is a big fúck of shed at the end of the garden that has a very nice 15' x 8' asbestos roof. Eventually I want to knock the shed but the roof will cost a fortune to get rid of.

Loosen the fixings of the roof and the next storm will blow it into the neighbours. Its their problem then

have Daniel O'Donnell look at it

CM11 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:10 am INTO having a mini tantrum at the new measures to avoid loads of children unnecessarily missing out on loads of schooling. Hilariously defending their stance by pretending it's the children they care about.

I had to sit through the monthly PA meeting last night. There are so many people out there still petrified of Covid. I just tuned out after a while.

HighKingLeinster wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:51 am

Leinsterman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:40 am If it's an external boiler house for an old oil boiler, chances are the asbestos was used to make the boiler house chimney. That was the case in my house anyway. We converted to gas and then plumbed the boiler house for the washing machine, dryer etc. We haven't touched the chimney - no need (yet).
My main problem is a big fúck of shed at the end of the garden that has a very nice 15' x 8' asbestos roof. Eventually I want to knock the shed but the roof will cost a fortune to get rid of.

Loosen the fixings of the roof and the next storm will blow it into the neighbours. Its their problem then

Might just tell Mick or Dozy it cures Covid and see if they'll take it off my hands.

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:45 am

feckwanker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:27 am

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:15 am Ballpark, how much are we talking for resi asbestos removal these days?

What type?

We had roof tiles removed (albeit from a large roof) - it cost over 10 grand.

No idea, structural survey guy said there's asbestos in a boiler house that I'm looking to get demolished anyway, the thing is only the size of a portaloo so I imagine there's a small bit in the roof alright.

Edit: over 10k??

On a completely unrelated note, AJ, what's the maximum fine/penalty for dumping asbestos in some wasteland, like Bray or something?

Won't cost much at all, few months ago we got a shed roof removed for about 700 quid, was alot bigger and messier job than what you are looking at, it was half caved in.

Asbestos cement is much easier and cheaper to remove than the loose "blue" asbestos that used to be used to for insulation. Still needs trained operatives in hazmat suits, and all debris to be bagged and disposed of at a licenced facility.

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:40 pm

HighKingLeinster wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:51 am

Leinsterman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:40 am If it's an external boiler house for an old oil boiler, chances are the asbestos was used to make the boiler house chimney. That was the case in my house anyway. We converted to gas and then plumbed the boiler house for the washing machine, dryer etc. We haven't touched the chimney - no need (yet).
My main problem is a big fúck of shed at the end of the garden that has a very nice 15' x 8' asbestos roof. Eventually I want to knock the shed but the roof will cost a fortune to get rid of.

Loosen the fixings of the roof and the next storm will blow it into the neighbours. Its their problem then

Might just tell Mick or Dozy it cures Covid and see if they'll take it off my hands.

goose81 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:46 pm

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:45 am

feckwanker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:27 am

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:15 am Ballpark, how much are we talking for resi asbestos removal these days?

What type?

We had roof tiles removed (albeit from a large roof) - it cost over 10 grand.

No idea, structural survey guy said there's asbestos in a boiler house that I'm looking to get demolished anyway, the thing is only the size of a portaloo so I imagine there's a small bit in the roof alright.

Edit: over 10k??

On a completely unrelated note, AJ, what's the maximum fine/penalty for dumping asbestos in some wasteland, like Bray or something?

Won't cost much at all, few months ago we got a shed roof removed for about 700 quid, was alot bigger and messier job than what you are looking at, it was half caved in.

Hmm, sounds like that was dumped on a quiet country lane or waste ground somewhere

This ICHH case makes the Bothar scandal look like shop lifting. Guy was a full on predator.

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2021/ ... legations/

And in further grim news the homeless guy who died on Suffolk street("a lovely man") was a serial sex offender booted from Oz in 2015.

https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-man- ... 3-Sep2017/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/n ... 01826.html

Jesus the poor fella the nut jobs persuaded to leave hospital for covid treatment passed away. They really should bring back public floggings

Lazy Couch potato wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:20 am Jesus the poor fella the nut jobs persuaded to leave hospital for covid treatment passed away. They really should bring back public floggings

They'll consider themselves vindicated.