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Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:32 am
by Blackrock Bullet
paddyor wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:50 pm This ICHH case makes the Bothar scandal look like shop lifting. Guy was a full on predator.

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2021/ ... legations/

And in further grim news the homeless guy who died on Suffolk street("a lovely man") was a serial sex offender booted from Oz in 2015.

https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-man- ... 3-Sep2017/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/n ... 01826.html
A tale as old as time. Person given a lot of unchecked power and control. He had a blue tick on Twitter, appeared virtuous and had lots of supporters around him, so he couldn’t possibly do anything wrong and should left at it. Modern day Priests.

All of these homeless charities needed to be consolidated and put into the hands of boring civil servants who don’t have Twitter accounts.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:57 pm
by camroc1
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:32 am
paddyor wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:50 pm This ICHH case makes the Bothar scandal look like shop lifting. Guy was a full on predator.

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2021/ ... legations/

And in further grim news the homeless guy who died on Suffolk street("a lovely man") was a serial sex offender booted from Oz in 2015.

https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-man- ... 3-Sep2017/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/n ... 01826.html
A tale as old as time. Person given a lot of unchecked power and control. He had a blue tick on Twitter, appeared virtuous and had lots of supporters around him, so he couldn’t possibly do anything wrong and should left at it. Modern day Priests.

All of these homeless charities needed to be consolidated and put into the hands of boring civil servants who don’t have Twitter accounts.
Not just the homeless charities, but the multitude of charities dealing with drug abuse, cancer, various other rare illnesses, farmers charities etc. etc.

Consolidate them all into one big charity each for each area, put 3/4 mid ranking civil servants on three year secondments to run them, and ensure the money is dealt with correctly and goes where it's needed, all according to properly kept accounts. Disbursements to have a robust paper trail including why money was spent in one area/service provider than another. Have the people who started the charities continue to voluntarily fundraise. Have new, eager civil servants every three years, both to keep management fresh, and preclude against bad habits from creeping in.

Any charity that doesn't agree, simply remove its tax free status, and make it subject to normal company law.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:16 pm
by highlands
I see the Healy Raes are our richest politicians. :lol:
Mary Lou, worth 2-3 mill aswell. The lady fighting for the oppressed.
Watch the media focusing on FF + FG though.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:14 pm
by Leinsterman
Where did those figures come from?

Quite amazing how someone taking the average industrial wage and whose spouse is a union guy in Gas Networks is so wealthy. :lol:

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:25 pm
by camroc1
Has Mary-Lou ever had an actual job ?

Because, otherwise she must have inherited her wealth, which when combined with increased property values makes her the smug bourgeois rentier she really is.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:54 pm
by Duff Paddy
camroc1 wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:57 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:32 am
paddyor wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:50 pm This ICHH case makes the Bothar scandal look like shop lifting. Guy was a full on predator.

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2021/ ... legations/

And in further grim news the homeless guy who died on Suffolk street("a lovely man") was a serial sex offender booted from Oz in 2015.

https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-man- ... 3-Sep2017/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/n ... 01826.html
A tale as old as time. Person given a lot of unchecked power and control. He had a blue tick on Twitter, appeared virtuous and had lots of supporters around him, so he couldn’t possibly do anything wrong and should left at it. Modern day Priests.

All of these homeless charities needed to be consolidated and put into the hands of boring civil servants who don’t have Twitter accounts.
Not just the homeless charities, but the multitude of charities dealing with drug abuse, cancer, various other rare illnesses, farmers charities etc. etc.

Consolidate them all into one big charity each for each area, put 3/4 mid ranking civil servants on three year secondments to run them, and ensure the money is dealt with correctly and goes where it's needed, all according to properly kept accounts. Disbursements to have a robust paper trail including why money was spent in one area/service provider than another. Have the people who started the charities continue to voluntarily fundraise. Have new, eager civil servants every three years, both to keep management fresh, and preclude against bad habits from creeping in.

Any charity that doesn't agree, simply remove its tax free status, and make it subject to normal company law.
Cammy for a smart guy that’s one awful stupid post

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:08 pm
by Duff Paddy
highlands wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:16 pm I see the Healy Raes are our richest politicians. :lol:
Mary Lou, worth 2-3 mill aswell. The lady fighting for the oppressed.
Watch the media focusing on FF + FG though.
Remember watching Healy Rae doing a living with Lucy episode and he was doing everything he could to pretend he wasn’t rolling in cash.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:41 pm
by CarrotGawks
Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:54 pm
camroc1 wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:57 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:32 am
paddyor wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:50 pm This ICHH case makes the Bothar scandal look like shop lifting. Guy was a full on predator.

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2021/ ... legations/

And in further grim news the homeless guy who died on Suffolk street("a lovely man") was a serial sex offender booted from Oz in 2015.

https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-man- ... 3-Sep2017/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/n ... 01826.html
A tale as old as time. Person given a lot of unchecked power and control. He had a blue tick on Twitter, appeared virtuous and had lots of supporters around him, so he couldn’t possibly do anything wrong and should left at it. Modern day Priests.

All of these homeless charities needed to be consolidated and put into the hands of boring civil servants who don’t have Twitter accounts.
Not just the homeless charities, but the multitude of charities dealing with drug abuse, cancer, various other rare illnesses, farmers charities etc. etc.

Consolidate them all into one big charity each for each area, put 3/4 mid ranking civil servants on three year secondments to run them, and ensure the money is dealt with correctly and goes where it's needed, all according to properly kept accounts. Disbursements to have a robust paper trail including why money was spent in one area/service provider than another. Have the people who started the charities continue to voluntarily fundraise. Have new, eager civil servants every three years, both to keep management fresh, and preclude against bad habits from creeping in.

Any charity that doesn't agree, simply remove its tax free status, and make it subject to normal company law.
Cammy for a smart guy that’s one awful stupid post
Sounds a lot like socialism!

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:27 pm
by goose81
HighKingLeinster wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:07 pm
goose81 wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:46 pm
normilet wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:45 am
feckwanker wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:27 am
normilet wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:15 am Ballpark, how much are we talking for resi asbestos removal these days?
What type?

We had roof tiles removed (albeit from a large roof) - it cost over 10 grand.
No idea, structural survey guy said there's asbestos in a boiler house that I'm looking to get demolished anyway, the thing is only the size of a portaloo so I imagine there's a small bit in the roof alright.

Edit: over 10k??

On a completely unrelated note, AJ, what's the maximum fine/penalty for dumping asbestos in some wasteland, like Bray or something?
Won't cost much at all, few months ago we got a shed roof removed for about 700 quid, was alot bigger and messier job than what you are looking at, it was half caved in.
Hmm, sounds like that was dumped on a quiet country lane or waste ground somewhere
It most certainly wasn't, it was a government registered company who provided a certificate of destruction at a registered facility afterwards.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:52 pm
by camroc1
Interesting story in the Sunday Times this morning revealing that 186 workers at Beaumont Hospital, including 8 medical staff, 49 nursing staff, and 57 administrators have refused to be vaccinated against covid.

In my opinion they should be given a two week period to get their first jab, and if still declining, lose their jobs.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:35 pm
by Rumham
ticketlessinseattle wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:53 am
paddyor wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:55 pm
Leinsterman wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:52 pm
paddyor wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:34 pm @Leinsterman (apologies if I've msised this)

A lot of talk about us not having enough power generation because we closed the peat plants(we're importing peat now apparently). Maybe it was ages ago and a lot oftime has passed, but did you not say we have loads of generation capactiy? Intel has weighed in ow as well.
At the time we did but, as you say, the peat plants have now closed, Moneypoint is not running at full capacity and both Whitegate and one of the Huntstown plants are offline for long term repairs. Once Whitegate and HPC are back, a lot of strain on the system will be relieved.
Whitegate had a loose part shred the turbine and Huntstown had to get a new transformer apparently. They're not the sort of thing that can be rustled up and replaced in a couple of weeks.
Another issue had been the fact that a lot of data centres have been built in the last couple of years as well.
Some peaking plants wouldn't go astray.
:thumbup:

I’d imagine the supply chain issues plaguing the world economy aren’t helping.
article a couple of weeks back about the huge drain on the national grid that data centers are creating ; cant remember the % of total power but it was a eye watering amount - think it was coming into focus with Amazon (?) planing another huge one ; apparently there's discussions at government level about the possibility of blackouts - data centers apparently create feck all jobs but it probably comes with the carrot/stick of all the other jobs FANGs create
Singapore has paused all new DC development until they figure out the power issues. They also have a Green 2030 goal which is going to cause a serous headache to power up these whales "sustainably". there is even a plan to run a cable Australia from mega solar farms. And the demand for DCs is every increasing.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:36 pm
by Botha Boy
camroc1 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:52 pm Interesting story in the Sunday Times this morning revealing that 186 workers at Beaumont Hospital, including 8 medical staff, 49 nursing staff, and 57 administrators have refused to be vaccinated against covid.

In my opinion they should be given a two week period to get their first jab, and if still declining, lose their jobs.
You can't force someone to take a vaccine unless it is already in their contract of employment. Could be used to drop contract nursing staff but good luck with the consequences of that.

I have a few friends who work in Beaumont and they were all vaccine hesitant. As foreigners, they all eventually took the vaccine to make it easier to travel home but it's bizarre how they were literally burning out due to work conditions caused by COVID but were still hesitant to take a vaccine to protect themselves and patients. Mad stuff.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:38 pm
by Rumham
paddyor wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:55 pm
Leinsterman wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:52 pm
paddyor wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:34 pm @Leinsterman (apologies if I've msised this)

A lot of talk about us not having enough power generation because we closed the peat plants(we're importing peat now apparently). Maybe it was ages ago and a lot oftime has passed, but did you not say we have loads of generation capactiy? Intel has weighed in ow as well.
At the time we did but, as you say, the peat plants have now closed, Moneypoint is not running at full capacity and both Whitegate and one of the Huntstown plants are offline for long term repairs. Once Whitegate and HPC are back, a lot of strain on the system will be relieved.
Whitegate had a loose part shred the turbine and Huntstown had to get a new transformer apparently. They're not the sort of thing that can be rustled up and replaced in a couple of weeks.
Another issue had been the fact that a lot of data centres have been built in the last couple of years as well.
Some peaking plants wouldn't go astray.
:thumbup:

I’d imagine the supply chain issues plaguing the world economy aren’t helping.
We are 2 years away from this volatility and price gouging settling down. So what do you? You have no labour either and these units are not going to build themselves. The price of an average 2 bed build in Dublin was beyond the limits of social housing beforehand. There is no way you could start a project now. Lots of huff and puff coming up but absolutely nothing will be done or built.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:24 pm
by CM11
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hea ... 88566.html
Joe McCarron was so ill he could not breathe, yet a shadowy group talked him into leaving hospital, Rodney Edwards writes
Covid-sceptic Joe McCarron didn’t believe the disease would kill him. He was wrong. Blinded by Covid conspiracy theories, the 75-year-old allowed a group to remove him from the intensive care unit at Letterkenny University Hospital in Co Donegal under the pretence they were “saving his life”.
He would not listen to doctors who told him he could die. Today he will be buried in a cemetery miles from the home he shared with his grief-stricken wife Una.

“The family are angry. They are sad. They are shocked at what these reckless people have done,” a family friend said yesterday.

"Joe was taken from the hospital, dumped at home and told, ‘There you are Joe, get on with it — good luck’. We are all disgusted.”

The distressing scenes in Letterkenny were shot on camera by Italian anti-vaccination extremist Antonio Mureddu who led the removal of McCarron from the hospital.

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“First Joe sat at home struggling to breathe then was brought to the hospital then he thought the hospital was out to kill him.” the family friend said.

"It was a mad notion by someone who was a good person. For him to let himself believe that what he was being told was the truth has shocked us all.”

But no amount of theatrics for social media was enough to help the former radio DJ who was a carer for his ill wife.

When McCarron, who had refused to wear a mask prior to falling ill, was readmitted to hospital two days later the disease had spread to his brain. If he had survived he would have never talked or walked again. He took his last breath last Friday evening in the very hospital where medics pleaded with him to stay when men who had described themselves as his “friends” persuaded him to leave.

Gardaí are expected to speak to a number of people over the events leading to McCarron leaving hospital the week before last, the Sunday Independent has learned.

In Donegal there is a small movement called the ‘Common Law Information Centre’, which was set up to oppose the repossession of homes but now imparts Covid-19 falsehoods.

It was originally about helping property developers in financial struggles and disrupting the banking system. But there was a split and now some use the platform to peddle mistruths.

Two of those involved in the Covid-conspiracy group include former Sinn Féin election candidate Tom Dignam and anti-establishment campaigner Michael McGee, who have been trying to bolster alarmist disinformation about the pandemic for months.

Earlier this month McGee joined Mureddu in Letterkenny University Hospital when the Italian far-right extremist asked gravely ill McCarron — one of the group’s members — to leave.

McCarron, who stood unsuccessfully in the 2014 local election for the Ben Gilroy-led Direct Democracy Ireland Party, was in intensive care when Mureddu, McGee and others arrived.

Mureddu ordered a breathless McCarron to “f**k off out of this place” as doctors and nurses pleaded with him to stay fearing he could die at home.

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“It’s better if he dies in the house than here … he’s going to die with us,” Mureddu said in a video that was first shared on an app seen as the new dark web for extremist content.

One of the doctors can be heard speaking directly to McCarron, saying: “You have the right to decide what to do. You are barely able to breathe. We want you stay.”

But Mureddu interrupts, telling McCarron: “If you want to stay they are going to kill you”.

In the lift, Mureddu — who had spoken at a meeting of members of the Common Law Information Centre in Ballybofey the night before — thanks McGee as they make their way down in the lift.

Hours later, McCarron took to Facebook where the failed election candidate, whose campaign literature highlighted the need for “access to healthcare” in Co Donegal, wrote a warning for his followers to stay away from hospital “if you value your life”.

He was readmitted to hospital on September 16 worse than when he went in.

In a second video shared the next day, Mureddu is seen sitting beside McGee whom he describes as “one of the team who was able to create the paperwork” that led to McCarron’s “rescue”.

He claimed to have ‘template letters’ that he was offering to the public which he bizarrely said “give the issuer power of attorney over hospital patients”.

“We decided with Michael to make a video to give all the paperwork you need,” he said.

In the video McGee alleges Letterkenny University Hospital and An Garda Síochána are “not working for the government … they are private corporations”. He said his group will be asking questions of the hospital management.

A photo posted on Facebook on September 13 shows a meeting at the Common Law Information Centre in Ballybofey with McGee and Mureddu.

On a whiteboard to the left of the men are the details for Muraddu’s secret Covid conspiracy channel on a special app.

McGee is no stranger to questioning authority and in 2019 a court heard how he had compared customs officers to those involved in the Holocaust when stopped at a checkpoint for using illegal fuel, saying: “I saved people from you c**ts so f**k off and annoy somebody else. If you didn’t write the law then you can’t enforce it.”

His Facebook page also shares posts on how so-called “masked mandates” are “big business” and earlier this year a post incorrectly stated: ‘Take the jab, get the slab’. He also shared a post questioning if US President Joe Biden is real, claiming he’s an actor and a hologram.

Such is the extent of the inaccurate posts, Facebook blocked one on March 8 for containing “false information”.

When McGee was contacted by the Sunday Independent before McCarron’s death and asked if he, McGee, were a member of the Common Law Information Centre, he replied: “I may be, yeah.”

Despite appearing in footage at Letterkenny Hospital and in videos about the McCarron incident, McGee claimed he was not involved, telling this newspaper: “No I wasn’t no, no I wasn’t.”

But when he was asked about the video he appeared in with Muraddu, he replied: “Was I in a video with Antonio? We did a video, maybe a couple of weeks ago. Why?”

Asked again about the specific videos posted last week, he said: “There were a few videos done in regards to Joe, repossessions, a whole lot of different things. I don’t really know.”

“I don’t know where you got the information. You will print what you are going to print anyway. This conversation is over, I have nothing more to say.”

Dignam, meanwhile, referred to his “friend and colleague” McCarron in a Facebook post on September 14, claiming he “would be placed in an induced coma and ventilated for 16 hours”.

“He did not consent to this. This morning five members of the Common Law Information Centre along with Joe’s wife Una arrived at the hospital. Paperwork was procured to the people in charge,” he wrote, adding that McCarron had left the hospital “in the company of several members of the Common Law Information Centre”.

The next day, Dignam posted: “Anyone who believes they may have Covid-19 stay clear of the hospital. Don’t become another Covid statistic for the corporation known as the HSE.”

Earlier this month, on September 1, he wrote: “So Donegal has the lowest uptake of the vaccine. Once again the Donegal people have refused to be dictated to by this corrupt establishment.”

Indeed, Dignam rejects most conventions, believing there is excessive government control.

In October 2019 he appeared at Letterkenny District Court facing a number of motoring charges which he described as “legal fiction”, including having no insurance, no driving licence and holding a mobile phone while driving.

When the judge adjourned the case, Dignam replied: “I want €1m to come back into this court.”

Asked by the Sunday Independent before McCarron’s death to respond to the role of the Common Law Information Centre in the incident in Letterkenny, Dignam said: “I am making no comment, I am not making any comment on it.”

Asked if he wanted to comment on the point that McCarron’s illness appeared to worsen because of people like him, he told this newspaper: “I don’t want to comment at all. I don’t want to say anything. I am making no comment. I am hanging up here on you, OK?”

Integral to last week’s incident was Mureddu who sparked controversy in Galway in 2018 when he tried to organise a meeting in support of Italian far-right party Lega Nord.

There is also footage online of him arguing with gardaí who stopped him for speeding. “I pay your wages as well,” he tells a garda.

One woman who used to work with him described him as someone who does not have “the depth for self-criticism”.

“In his head he is the only person who is right, everyone is wrong and deluded and he’s the one with the truth,” she said.

During last week’s incident at Letterkenny University Hospital, gardaí issued a warning to all units about “dangerous” Mureddu.

A Garda source confirmed a circular was issued to all officers in Co Donegal stating Mureddu “was violent” and it asked members “to exercise caution”.

“Any calls to the hospital were to be treated as priority but guards were warned to be careful. McCarron was Covid positive and these people weren’t adhering to any of the restrictions so they were told to be careful.”

Mureddu could not be contacted for comment.

And as news of McCarron’s death shocked the small community of Dungloe yesterday, McGee could not be reached by this newspaper.

When Dignam was asked yesterday if he took responsibility for the Common Law Information Centre’s role, he replied: “I am at a funeral. No comment. No comment.” He then hung up.

At Letterkenny University Hospital, staff are reeling from the past week.

“It’s difficult enough doing the day job; managing sick people, doing infection control without having these people coming in to disrupt everything,” one staff member said.

Independent Councillor Michael Cholm Mac Giolla Easbuig urged people of west Donegal “not to listen to misinformation”. “It is mad right-wing, ideology and it is killing people,” he said.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:54 pm
by Leinsterman
Looks like karma finally caught up with McCarron

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:18 pm
by CM11
Leinsterman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:54 pm Looks like karma finally caught up with McCarron
Yeah, didn't realise how deep he was in himself.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:35 am
by HighKingLeinster
Fùcking state of the UK at the moment. Runs on petrol stations with fights breaking out on forecourts etc. Really is going to eat itself if they dont sort Brexit soon

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:45 am
by Nolanator
That group of scumbags was out picketing Varadkar's house again, I see.

Best suggestion I saw on Twitter was to hose them with sewage. Not a bad idea, TBF.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:04 am
by feckwanker
HighKingLeinster wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:35 am Fùcking state of the UK at the moment. Runs on petrol stations with fights breaking out on forecourts etc. Really is going to eat itself if they dont sort Brexit soon
But it's not Brexit related! /bimbo

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:20 am
by camroc1
feckwanker wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:04 am
HighKingLeinster wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:35 am Fùcking state of the UK at the moment. Runs on petrol stations with fights breaking out on forecourts etc. Really is going to eat itself if they dont sort Brexit soon
But it's not Brexit related! /bimbo
And his mate saw two cars queueing at a petrol station in Dublin yesterday, anyway.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:22 am
by anonymous_joe
Nolanator wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:45 am That group of scumbags was out picketing Varadkar's house again, I see.

Best suggestion I saw on Twitter was to hose them with sewage. Not a bad idea, TBF.
Probably good for him in the long run.

It'll make people sympathise with him and his worst critics will end up saying stupid shit.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:50 am
by Duff Paddy
feckwanker wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:04 am
HighKingLeinster wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:35 am Fùcking state of the UK at the moment. Runs on petrol stations with fights breaking out on forecourts etc. Really is going to eat itself if they dont sort Brexit soon
But it's not Brexit related! /bimbo
They really take the biscuit don’t they. Kick out all the immigrants and fudge the consequences.

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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:55 am
by iarmhiman
It's now a saving face issue.

To admit they were had, and voted for something so stupid would be a loss of face.

They will never admit Brexit is the reason but it is the reason

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:58 am
by CM11
Don't understand the logic. Brexit was always going to come with pain on both sides. Pretending any pains felt are unrelated makes no sense.

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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:05 am
by normilet
CM11 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:58 am Don't understand the logic. Brexit was always going to come with pain on both sides. Pretending any pains felt are unrelated makes no sense.

Some of them are blaming covid for the fuel shortages. If covid hadn't happened, it would be something else, but definitely not Brexit. At this stage they can just call it whatever they want, the results will be the same either way.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:18 am
by CM11
I'm sure covid didn't help at all. But it'd have been easier to resolve without Brexit. None of this is rocket science.

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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:21 am
by iarmhiman
Covid and even more lately IR35 caused the HGV drivers to go home.

It's Brexit that has caused them to stay in Europe due to the stopping of freedom of movement.

Tories are trying to say there are driver shortages everywhere in Europe. Bur Europe hasn't got fuel and food shortages. They need to go figure

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:59 am
by camroc1
The European haulage industry has changed with continental drivers avoiding delivering to the UK (and Ireland). The difference for us, is that the time it takes for Ro-Ro to go from Ireland to Europe means that unaccompanied Ro-Ro freight is dominant in that market. ie Irish haulier delivers and picks up from Irish port, trailer, but not cab or driver is on the ship, Euro haulier delivers/picks up from continental port.
The following is a summary of the most pronounced trends that have emerged in the RoRo freight market:

71% of all ROI RoRo traffic is now unaccompanied, compared to 63% in Q2 2019.

One third of all RoRo traffic in the Republic of Ireland now operates on direct routes to ports in the European Union, twice the share held in Q2 2019. In the first 6 months of 2021, ROI – EU traffic is just 7% below its annual total for all of 2020, and Q2 2021 was the busiest on record for these direct routes.

In terms of capacity, Irish importers and exporters have benefitted from a significant increase in the choice of direct EU services in 2021. After responding to a surge in ‘direct demand’, there are now 12 different direct EU RoRo services available to Irish traders, compared to 5 in 2019 (2).

ROI – GB RoRo traffic has declined significantly since January 2021. Volumes in Q1 2021 were distorted by a pre-Brexit stockpile, combined with strict COVID-19 restrictions in January and February. Q2 2021, therefore, provides a more reliable insight into current volumes on ROI – GB routes. In Q2 2021, ROI – GB volumes fell by 20% compared to Q2 2019. For the first 6 months of the year, GB traffic declined by 29% compared to 2019. ROI – GB traffic now accounts 67% of ROI volumes, compared to 84% two years ago.
https://afloat.ie/port-news/port-and-sh ... ccompanied

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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:47 pm
by Luckycharmer
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:21 am Covid and even more lately IR35 caused the HGV drivers to go home.

It's Brexit that has caused them to stay in Europe due to the stopping of freedom of movement.

Tories are trying to say there are driver shortages everywhere in Europe. Bur Europe hasn't got fuel and food shortages. They need to go figure
There is no Fuel shortage, there is a lack of drivers to bring the fuel to the stations especially affecting BP and Shell. Supposedly before Brexit they were already at tipping point and Covid/Brexit brought them over the edge.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:49 pm
by iarmhiman
Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:47 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:21 am Covid and even more lately IR35 caused the HGV drivers to go home.

It's Brexit that has caused them to stay in Europe due to the stopping of freedom of movement.

Tories are trying to say there are driver shortages everywhere in Europe. Bur Europe hasn't got fuel and food shortages. They need to go figure
There is no Fuel shortage, there is a lack of drivers to bring the fuel to the stations especially affecting BP and Shell. Supposedly before Brexit they were already at tipping point and Covid/Brexit brought them over the edge.
My point was that the supposed driver shortage they claim also in Europe isnt having the same effect there

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:55 pm
by paddyor
Rumham wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:38 pm
paddyor wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:55 pm
Leinsterman wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:52 pm
paddyor wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:34 pm @Leinsterman (apologies if I've msised this)

A lot of talk about us not having enough power generation because we closed the peat plants(we're importing peat now apparently). Maybe it was ages ago and a lot oftime has passed, but did you not say we have loads of generation capactiy? Intel has weighed in ow as well.
At the time we did but, as you say, the peat plants have now closed, Moneypoint is not running at full capacity and both Whitegate and one of the Huntstown plants are offline for long term repairs. Once Whitegate and HPC are back, a lot of strain on the system will be relieved.
Whitegate had a loose part shred the turbine and Huntstown had to get a new transformer apparently. They're not the sort of thing that can be rustled up and replaced in a couple of weeks.
Another issue had been the fact that a lot of data centres have been built in the last couple of years as well.
Some peaking plants wouldn't go astray.
:thumbup:

I’d imagine the supply chain issues plaguing the world economy aren’t helping.
We are 2 years away from this volatility and price gouging settling down. So what do you? You have no labour either and these units are not going to build themselves. The price of an average 2 bed build in Dublin was beyond the limits of social housing beforehand. There is no way you could start a project now. Lots of huff and puff coming up but absolutely nothing will be done or built.
I was told that for years we plugged gaps in generation in winter with a lease agreement with New York. They needed them in the summer for air con and we needed them in the winter so it worked quite "well". More of the same I guess.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:04 pm
by Luckycharmer
Botha Boy wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:36 pm
camroc1 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:52 pm Interesting story in the Sunday Times this morning revealing that 186 workers at Beaumont Hospital, including 8 medical staff, 49 nursing staff, and 57 administrators have refused to be vaccinated against covid.

In my opinion they should be given a two week period to get their first jab, and if still declining, lose their jobs.
You can't force someone to take a vaccine unless it is already in their contract of employment. Could be used to drop contract nursing staff but good luck with the consequences of that.

I have a few friends who work in Beaumont and they were all vaccine hesitant. As foreigners, they all eventually took the vaccine to make it easier to travel home but it's bizarre how they were literally burning out due to work conditions caused by COVID but were still hesitant to take a vaccine to protect themselves and patients. Mad stuff.
My wifes first cousin was let go from a hospital in OZ for refusing to take the Vacinne.
My boss in the states is another Anti vax, they won't let him in the canteen or gym at work

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:19 pm
by CM11
https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2021/0 ... re-offaly/

Disaster for Glenisk. Hope their insurance covers the loss.

Decent turnover/profit. A well run company making a decent product employing a decent workforce all gone in a day. Fingers crossed they can rebuild.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:43 pm
by redderneck
CM11 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:19 pm https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2021/0 ... re-offaly/

Disaster for Glenisk. Hope their insurance covers the loss.

Decent turnover/profit. A well run company making a decent product employing a decent workforce all gone in a day. Fingers crossed they can rebuild.
Shame. A very decent product and carved out a decent niche for themselves against major players.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:02 pm
by Botha Boy
Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:04 pm
Botha Boy wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:36 pm
camroc1 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:52 pm Interesting story in the Sunday Times this morning revealing that 186 workers at Beaumont Hospital, including 8 medical staff, 49 nursing staff, and 57 administrators have refused to be vaccinated against covid.

In my opinion they should be given a two week period to get their first jab, and if still declining, lose their jobs.
You can't force someone to take a vaccine unless it is already in their contract of employment. Could be used to drop contract nursing staff but good luck with the consequences of that.

I have a few friends who work in Beaumont and they were all vaccine hesitant. As foreigners, they all eventually took the vaccine to make it easier to travel home but it's bizarre how they were literally burning out due to work conditions caused by COVID but were still hesitant to take a vaccine to protect themselves and patients. Mad stuff.
My wifes first cousin was let go from a hospital in OZ for refusing to take the Vacinne.
My boss in the states is another Anti vax, they won't let him in the canteen or gym at work
Per Cammy's comment, I was talking to how current labour laws pertain here in Ireland where the Beaumont Hospital is.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:11 pm
by anonymous_joe
CM11 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:19 pm https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2021/0 ... re-offaly/

Disaster for Glenisk. Hope their insurance covers the loss.

Decent turnover/profit. A well run company making a decent product employing a decent workforce all gone in a day. Fingers crossed they can rebuild.
And their farmers too.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:14 pm
by CM11
anonymous_joe wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:11 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:19 pm https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2021/0 ... re-offaly/

Disaster for Glenisk. Hope their insurance covers the loss.

Decent turnover/profit. A well run company making a decent product employing a decent workforce all gone in a day. Fingers crossed they can rebuild.
And their farmers too.
Yep. And if the farmers find a buyer for their product then that makes it even harder for Glenisk to rebuild.

Disaster all round. Feel for them.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:53 am
by Duff Paddy
Listening to newstalk this morning they had a complete idiot on discussing the proposals in Berlin to effectively nationalise institutional property investors. He was trying to argue that it was these investment funds that were at the heart of the accommodation crisis in Dublin. I assumed he was some sort of SF or PBP populist goon and he easily dispatched by Ciara Kelly for being a complete moron. Imagine my shock when they signed off the interview by announcing him as an assistant professor in property economics from Maynooth university :lol:

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:07 am
by normilet
Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:53 am Listening to newstalk this morning they had a complete idiot on discussing the proposals in Berlin to effectively nationalise institutional property investors. He was trying to argue that it was these investment funds that were at the heart of the accommodation crisis in Dublin. I assumed he was some sort of SF or PBP populist goon and he easily dispatched by Ciara Kelly for being a complete moron. Imagine my shock when they signed off the interview by announcing him as an assistant professor in property economics from Maynooth university :lol:
The only thing that caught my ear on Newstalk this morning was the forecasted weather is basically rain for the next 3 weeks... welcome to October.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:21 am
by Duff Paddy
normilet wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:07 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:53 am Listening to newstalk this morning they had a complete idiot on discussing the proposals in Berlin to effectively nationalise institutional property investors. He was trying to argue that it was these investment funds that were at the heart of the accommodation crisis in Dublin. I assumed he was some sort of SF or PBP populist goon and he easily dispatched by Ciara Kelly for being a complete moron. Imagine my shock when they signed off the interview by announcing him as an assistant professor in property economics from Maynooth university :lol:
The only thing that caught my ear on Newstalk this morning was the forecasted weather is basically rain for the next 3 weeks... welcome to October.
Love a bit of rain.

Back to Berlin - the lefties always held up Berlin as an example of a major city with cheap stable rents - lots of comments from people saying they lived in a massive apartment in the best area of Berlin for €300 a month. Obviously all bollox so interesting to see them pressing the panic button and suggesting that corporate investors are the evil that has caused the accommodation crisis.