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Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:56 pm
by Bullettyme
anonymous_joe wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:What is the issue taxis have exactly? Funneled onto much busier roads?

There is no reason why that area shouldn't be cutoff to road traffic, including cyclists.
They're moaning about the rank being closed on college green, saying that moving it will take food of their plates. The same plums who started charging €2 per pickup on mytaxi and charge a fiver before you even get into a taxi.
I don't think the taxi drivers get that money.
Yes they do. It's a charge that's been passed on by the taxi drivers. I was told that when I tearfully emailed them cancelling my account.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:58 pm
by anonymous_joe
Ah, that makes sense.

Still, wouldn't blame them for that. Passing on costs like that is inevitable.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:59 pm
by Nolanator
goose81 wrote:
Flametop wrote:Walton’s on George’s Street.... goooooooone.

Never liked the shop to be fair. Overpriced, a monopoly on Gibson and unhelpful and unfriendly staff.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... 8?mode=amp

Decent sized premises. Will be interesting to see what goes in there.
Fair dues to Yamamori next door, they have outlasted a lot of food fads.
I don't play an instrument but would this not be a sad day for people that do? Can't imagine too many bricks and mortar shops left and if it becomes online only you'd imagine there would be a drop in people getting involved
Spent many hours in Walton's as a teenager. Never bought anything significant there, mind, so that probably didn't help.
Musician Inc. around the corner on Exchequer Street closed a few years ago. I think some of the staff/management are involved in X-Music by the Red Cow now. The future for large instrument shops seems to be large premises in retail parks away from the city centre, with lots of warehouse space and an online store too. Can't imagine that city centre rents are compatible with the amount of trade they'd do.
Is Music Maker still in business?

Edit, just saw the other responses.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:00 pm
by iarmhiman
The taxis will strike but they're not a popular group here in Dublin. I don't see their strike doing them any favours.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:00 pm
by redderneck
Was in the Hague recently for first time. They have a retractable bollard system used to control access to certain city centre areas/streets. No idea on detail but presume you can issue swipe cards offering various access rights; perhaps linked with time of day; payment etc.

Seemed to work reasonably well to me as a visitor - perhaps those better in the know have a different POV on it...

https://denhaag.nl/en/permits-and-exemp ... llards.htm

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:00 pm
by Gavin Duffy
Banning cyclists from the front of trinity would be ridiculous.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:12 pm
by CM11
Gavin Duffy wrote:Banning cyclists from the front of trinity would be ridiculous.
Why?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:14 pm
by Bullettyme
CM11 wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:Banning cyclists from the front of trinity would be ridiculous.
Why?
People use bikes to get in to university. There's tonnes of them coming in and out. It would also be a prime spot for a Dublin Bikes terminal and various tourism rentals.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:16 pm
by CM11
Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:Banning cyclists from the front of trinity would be ridiculous.
Why?
People use bikes to get in to university. There's tonnes of them coming in and out. It would also be a prime spot for a Dublin Bikes terminal and various tourism rentals.
I wasn't aware it was the only entrance into Trinity.....

It's not even the most obvious entrance for cyclists.

My point about banning them is that it simplifies matters considerably for pedestrians. The only moving vehicle will be the Luas.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:23 pm
by Bullettyme
CM11 wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:Banning cyclists from the front of trinity would be ridiculous.
Why?
People use bikes to get in to university. There's tonnes of them coming in and out. It would also be a prime spot for a Dublin Bikes terminal and various tourism rentals.
I wasn't aware it was the only entrance into Trinity.....

It's not even the most obvious entrance for cyclists.

My point about banning them is that it simplifies matters considerably for pedestrians. The only moving vehicle will be the Luas.
Have you just started making conversations in your head? I know it's not, however there's a huge amount of bike traffic in and out that gate, and to get around to the Nassau street side.

I'm just hazarding some fudging reasons since you seemed to object to the original statement.

I think they would be doing well to put in a cycle lane or two, won't take much space, will be much appreciated.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:24 pm
by nardol
redderneck wrote:Was in the Hague recently for first time. They have a retractable bollard system used to control access to certain city centre areas/streets. No idea on detail but presume you can issue swipe cards offering various access rights; perhaps linked with time of day; payment etc.

Seemed to work reasonably well to me as a visitor - perhaps those better in the know have a different POV on it...

https://denhaag.nl/en/permits-and-exemp ... llards.htm
They are usually time sensitive. On the weekends they want to create larger car free areas for shoppers so are up to block cars.

During the week (at limited times) they go down. Around the parliament buildings certain individuals have a card in their car similar to the automated toll pay things here in Ireland that allow one vehicle at a time to pass (thing goes down car goes through and then goes up again).

Some bus routes also have them to prevent cars going on bus lanes. Does delay the bus a bit though.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:27 pm
by CM11
Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:Banning cyclists from the front of trinity would be ridiculous.
Why?
People use bikes to get in to university. There's tonnes of them coming in and out. It would also be a prime spot for a Dublin Bikes terminal and various tourism rentals.
I wasn't aware it was the only entrance into Trinity.....

It's not even the most obvious entrance for cyclists.

My point about banning them is that it simplifies matters considerably for pedestrians. The only moving vehicle will be the Luas.
Have you just started making conversations in your head? I know it's not, however there's a huge amount of bike traffic in and out that gate, and to get around to the Nassau street side.

I'm just hazarding some fudging reasons since you seemed to object to the original statement.

I think they would be doing well to put in a cycle lane or two, won't take much space, will be much appreciated.
I think making sure there isn't a huge amount of bike traffic in and out of an area you're trying to pedestranise would be a good idea, not a bad one.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:29 pm
by Bullettyme
Who said anything about a "huge amount of traffic"? You're abit all over the shop here.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:39 pm
by paddyor
iarmhiman wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:The taxi drivers can go and fudge themselves. Rip off merchants of the highest order. A plaza like that is what is needed for a city like Dublin, open dealing talk is a bit hysterical for me. Why would it suddenly become an issue there in a big wide open square?
If you had pedestrianised streets from Temple Bar all the way through South William to Stephen's Green shopping centre, that would make Dublin very tourist friendly.
Not sure about that tbh.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:41 pm
by CM11
Bullettyme wrote:Who said anything about a "huge amount of traffic"? You're abit all over the shop here.
Bullettyme wrote:however there's a huge amount of bike traffic in and out that gate

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:49 pm
by camroc1
Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:54 pm
by CM11
camroc1 wrote:Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.
In particular I would think trying to avoid cyclists going in and out of the main gate of Trinity makes sense because as a destination square you're going to get even more pedestrians wandering in and out of Trinity.

You'd obviously need a marked path for cyclists if you are allowing them access, I guess running along the Luas. But I don't see the point of allowing it for through cyclists and as I said, better to keep them away from accessing Trinity at that gate.

Nothing stopping them walking their bikes, it's hardly a long walk.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:54 pm
by Bullettyme
CM11 wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:Who said anything about a "huge amount of traffic"? You're abit all over the shop here.
Bullettyme wrote:however there's a huge amount of bike traffic in and out that gate
Lol turns out it is I!

But that's relative. I mean it's also pretty slow moving at that stage. Which isn't a problem for pedestrians really. As I said, a couple of lanes is probably the best idea. A couple of rothar gardai too. Goes alright at smithfield. Banning bikes would be ridiculous.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:56 pm
by CM11
Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:Who said anything about a "huge amount of traffic"? You're abit all over the shop here.
Bullettyme wrote:however there's a huge amount of bike traffic in and out that gate
Lol turns out it is I!

But that's relative. I mean it's also pretty slow moving at that stage. Which isn't a problem for pedestrians really. As I said, a couple of lanes is probably the best idea. A couple of rothar gardai too. Goes alright at smithfield. Banning bikes would be ridiculous.
Bikes accessing the area aren't necessarily the problem but see my point above. It's primarily bikes using it for through traffic and I don't see why they can't go around. It's hardly a massive detour.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:59 pm
by camroc1
CM11 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.
In particular I would think trying to avoid cyclists going in and out of the main gate of Trinity makes sense because as a destination square you're going to get even more pedestrians wandering in and out of Trinity.

You'd obviously need a marked path for cyclists if you are allowing them access, I guess running along the Luas. But I don't see the point of allowing it for through cyclists and as I said, better to keep them away from accessing Trinity at that gate.

Nothing stopping them walking their bikes, it's hardly a long walk.
:thumbup: Agree totally.

A large minority of Irish cyclists have an attitude problem, and act as if the rules of the road, never mind common courtesy, doesn't apply to them. As you say, a 'Cyclists Dismount' rule over the entire area would make a lot of sense, even though it would be punishing those who cycle carefully.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:00 pm
by Bullettyme
Depends where the detour is though and what way they're coming from, and if they'll do anything about various one way systems in place.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:02 pm
by nardol
camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.
In particular I would think trying to avoid cyclists going in and out of the main gate of Trinity makes sense because as a destination square you're going to get even more pedestrians wandering in and out of Trinity.

You'd obviously need a marked path for cyclists if you are allowing them access, I guess running along the Luas. But I don't see the point of allowing it for through cyclists and as I said, better to keep them away from accessing Trinity at that gate.

Nothing stopping them walking their bikes, it's hardly a long walk.
:thumbup: Agree totally.

A large minority of Irish cyclists have an attitude problem, and act as if the rules of the road, never mind common courtesy, doesn't apply to them. As you say, a 'Cyclists Dismount' rule over the entire area would make a lot of sense, even though it would be punishing those who cycle carefully.
Whoa there charlie.

Cycling is permitted on the footpath in ireland. Change that first before blaming cyclists and throwing out words like 'rules of the road'.

Also a lot of Irish infra is built with the intention of cyclists on footpaths with no other divide than a white line. Its lunacy doing that. I dont like it when cycling, I imagine pedestrians dont either but where is the choice
?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:06 pm
by Bullettyme
There's a nice segregated cycling area there currently outside the old PoI which would make sense to keep :thumbup: Again that won't stop idiots wandering into it without looking, but can't win them all.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:08 pm
by nardol
Bullettyme wrote:There's a nice segregated cycling area there currently outside the old PoI which would make sense to keep :thumbup: Again that won't stop idiots wandering into it without looking, but can't win them all.
Do that in Amsterdam you get lynched.... and people agree that you should.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:14 pm
by Bullettyme
nardol wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:There's a nice segregated cycling area there currently outside the old PoI which would make sense to keep :thumbup: Again that won't stop idiots wandering into it without looking, but can't win them all.
Do that in Amsterdam you get lynched.... and people agree that you should.
I'd like to subscribe to this newsletter. Nearly did an injury to myself and most importantly my bike last week with some guy, hood up, earphone in crossing on a red looking the wrong way of a one way. Scary.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:17 pm
by Bwen
Just back from Amsterdam for the weekend and cycling was incredibly stress free. They got the Lance Armstrong types, don't wear helmets and don't wear high viz, simple difference is dedicated cycle only space and cycle only lights. We're going to have to make a lot of streets one way and/or remove street parking with strong education/enforcement if that level of integration is going to be achieved.

It was also interesting to see that in Vondelspark, where there was shared pedestrian/cycling paths, it was exactly the same experience as Dublin with lots of chaos and cyclists blaming pedestrians and vice versa.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:21 pm
by CM11
nardol wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.
In particular I would think trying to avoid cyclists going in and out of the main gate of Trinity makes sense because as a destination square you're going to get even more pedestrians wandering in and out of Trinity.

You'd obviously need a marked path for cyclists if you are allowing them access, I guess running along the Luas. But I don't see the point of allowing it for through cyclists and as I said, better to keep them away from accessing Trinity at that gate.

Nothing stopping them walking their bikes, it's hardly a long walk.
:thumbup: Agree totally.

A large minority of Irish cyclists have an attitude problem, and act as if the rules of the road, never mind common courtesy, doesn't apply to them. As you say, a 'Cyclists Dismount' rule over the entire area would make a lot of sense, even though it would be punishing those who cycle carefully.
Whoa there charlie.

Cycling is permitted on the footpath in ireland. Change that first before blaming cyclists and throwing out words like 'rules of the road'.

Also a lot of Irish infra is built with the intention of cyclists on footpaths with no other divide than a white line. Its lunacy doing that. I dont like it when cycling, I imagine pedestrians dont either but where is the choice
?
Article 13 of the 1997 Regulations makes it an offence to cycle on a footpath unless you are entering or exiting a property.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:42 pm
by nardol
CM11 wrote:
nardol wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.
In particular I would think trying to avoid cyclists going in and out of the main gate of Trinity makes sense because as a destination square you're going to get even more pedestrians wandering in and out of Trinity.

You'd obviously need a marked path for cyclists if you are allowing them access, I guess running along the Luas. But I don't see the point of allowing it for through cyclists and as I said, better to keep them away from accessing Trinity at that gate.

Nothing stopping them walking their bikes, it's hardly a long walk.
:thumbup: Agree totally.

A large minority of Irish cyclists have an attitude problem, and act as if the rules of the road, never mind common courtesy, doesn't apply to them. As you say, a 'Cyclists Dismount' rule over the entire area would make a lot of sense, even though it would be punishing those who cycle carefully.
Whoa there charlie.

Cycling is permitted on the footpath in ireland. Change that first before blaming cyclists and throwing out words like 'rules of the road'.

Also a lot of Irish infra is built with the intention of cyclists on footpaths with no other divide than a white line. Its lunacy doing that. I dont like it when cycling, I imagine pedestrians dont either but where is the choice
?
Article 13 of the 1997 Regulations makes it an offence to cycle on a footpath unless you are entering or exiting a property.
fudge me.

I stand corrected if that's the case.
Good thing I never do.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:05 pm
by danthefan
Speaking of cyclists, I cycled home through town a bit earlier than usual today and fudge me I saw some absolute twats about the place. My favourite was a lad absolutely festooned in lights, had them on his helmet, his clothes, around the rims of his wheels, on the bike itself, who proceeded to cycle through every red light he came to. Didn't matter if there was traffic coming or not. I can entirely understand why people get so pissed off about it.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:46 pm
by camroc1
So Leo is playing hardball with May over full implementation of the GFA after last weeks collapse in talks.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0 ... -stormont/

That should make for some interesting 'tete a tetes' between the two when May comes looking for Irish support in the Brexit trade talks.

Interesting times.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:49 pm
by Gavin Duffy
danthefan wrote:Speaking of cyclists, I cycled home through town a bit earlier than usual today and fudge me I saw some absolute twats about the place. My favourite was a lad absolutely festooned in lights, had them on his helmet, his clothes, around the rims of his wheels, on the bike itself, who proceeded to cycle through every red light he came to. Didn't matter if there was traffic coming or not. I can entirely understand why people get so pissed off about it.
And how did you observe all this red light breaking?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:58 pm
by danthefan
Gavin Duffy wrote:
danthefan wrote:Speaking of cyclists, I cycled home through town a bit earlier than usual today and fudge me I saw some absolute twats about the place. My favourite was a lad absolutely festooned in lights, had them on his helmet, his clothes, around the rims of his wheels, on the bike itself, who proceeded to cycle through every red light he came to. Didn't matter if there was traffic coming or not. I can entirely understand why people get so pissed off about it.
And how did you observe all this red light breaking?
With my eyes?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:08 pm
by CM11
I'm guessing he's wondering how you managed to keep up with him if you weren't also breaking the lights?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:19 pm
by danthefan
CM11 wrote:I'm guessing he's wondering how you managed to keep up with him if you weren't also breaking the lights?
Lights in town are a few hundred metres or less away from each other. You will often catch up to people who skip lights at the next set.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:22 pm
by CM11
danthefan wrote:
CM11 wrote:I'm guessing he's wondering how you managed to keep up with him if you weren't also breaking the lights?
Lights in town are a few hundred metres or less away from each other. You will often catch up to people who skip lights at the next set.
:thumbup:

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:42 pm
by paddyor
Bertie defending his legacy by undercutting Michael on Claire Byrne Live
Philip Ryan
‏ @Philip_Ryan
8m8 minutes ago

Bertie Ahern has told Fianna Fail leader Micheal Martin to butt out of the Stormont negotiations and support the Government during in the talks. #cblive

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:46 pm
by camroc1
paddyor wrote:Bertie defending his legacy by undercutting Michael on Claire Byrne Live
Philip Ryan
‏ @Philip_Ryan
8m8 minutes ago

Bertie Ahern has told Fianna Fail leader Micheal Martin to butt out of the Stormont negotiations and support the Government during in the talks. #cblive
Martin is being fitted for a funeral suit.

If the next IT Red C poll has similar results as the Sindo and SBP polls yesterday he's toast. He's also allowed Leo to rob FFs emerald green flag. leaving Martin looking very foolish indeed, especially with SF yapping around their republican end.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:48 pm
by iarmhiman
Don't know if you have been following the weather folks but we have a Beast from the east coming next week.

I've been following the models and they're agreeing now.

Going to be snow.

SSW has caused this.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:52 pm
by camroc1
iarmhiman wrote:Don't know if you have been following the weather folks but we have a Beast from the east coming next week.

I've been following the models and they're agreeing now.

Going to be snow.

SSW has caused this.
Been following this myself.

I'd wait until Thursday and see if all the models are still aligned. But if it comes, Dublin could be in for a right dump, given the lake snow effect of a long reach over the Irish sea from Liverpool, and the relatively warm waters compared to the very very cold upper temps.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:55 pm
by iarmhiman
camroc1 wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:Don't know if you have been following the weather folks but we have a Beast from the east coming next week.

I've been following the models and they're agreeing now.

Going to be snow.

SSW has caused this.
Been following this myself.

I'd wait until Thursday and see if all the models are still aligned. But if it comes, Dublin could be in for a right dump, given the lake snow effect of a long reach over the Irish sea from Liverpool, and the relatively warm waters compared to the very very cold upper temps.
You're spot on Cammy. Didn't have you down as a weather type. Big hobby of mine.