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I'd say between O'Dea and Moynihan whinging, Calleary going public with his grievances (the deputy leader ffs) and Jim O'Callaghan distancing himself from the government for what must surely be a leadership run at some stage, not even a week into this government, Michaél Martin must be furious.

And on the subject of Michaél Martin, has he been seen since the weekend? Must be flat out telling his own party members to get a grip of themselves.

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anonymous_joe wrote:
crouchy wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
crouchy wrote:Someone should tell Fianna Fáil's TDs that whinging in public that you didn't get promoted to a ministerial position is not a good look. Self-serving bastards.
Tbh it’s good that it’s out of the system early.

A lot of them waited around for roles and there just aren’t that many to go around.
It's really not that good that they couldn't even wait a week before the self-interest became immediately apparent. This talk of it being insulting to constituents too, they must take us for fools.

FF particularly need to realise that people think they're a pack of bellends, and moaning that you didn't get promoted is not a good way to convince people that you are not in fact a pack of bellends.
Alternative view:

They know that and realise this is their last chance and are accordingly desperate.
Willie O'Dea has been a TD since 1982, and is now 67 years old. He's been a Junior Minister 4 times, and was once trusted enough to be given Minister of Defence once (Remember the photo shoots ! :lol: ).

Much better that FF promote young talent.
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camroc1 wrote: ML is setting herself up to be eviscerated in the Dáil though.
They'll need a big wheelbarrow to carry out the mess.

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FF are winning the whingeing challenge but they're not on their own.

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what a truly nasty piece of sh1te ; twatter really is a cesspit

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camroc1 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
crouchy wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
crouchy wrote:Someone should tell Fianna Fáil's TDs that whinging in public that you didn't get promoted to a ministerial position is not a good look. Self-serving bastards.
Tbh it’s good that it’s out of the system early.

A lot of them waited around for roles and there just aren’t that many to go around.
It's really not that good that they couldn't even wait a week before the self-interest became immediately apparent. This talk of it being insulting to constituents too, they must take us for fools.

FF particularly need to realise that people think they're a pack of bellends, and moaning that you didn't get promoted is not a good way to convince people that you are not in fact a pack of bellends.
Alternative view:

They know that and realise this is their last chance and are accordingly desperate.
Willie O'Dea has been a TD since 1982, and is now 67 years old. He's been a Junior Minister 4 times, and was once trusted enough to be given Minister of Defence once (Remember the photo shoots ! :lol: ).

Much better that FF promote young talent.
:lol: :lol:

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I see Ring has followed Willie and Dara is embarrassing the Government.

The Shinners are going to eat us on toast. Fúcking gombeens.

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Mullet 2 wrote:I see Ring has followed Willie and Dara is embarrassing the Government.

The Shinners are going to eat us on toast. Fúcking gombeens.
Quite a few of the rooral and other TDs are showing themselves up.

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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:I see Ring has followed Willie and Dara is embarrassing the Government.

The Shinners are going to eat us on toast. Fúcking gombeens.
Quite a few of the rooral and other TDs are showing themselves up.
AS has been noted, they are coming to the realisation that they're yesterdays men. And howling with rage about it.

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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:I see Ring has followed Willie and Dara is embarrassing the Government.

The Shinners are going to eat us on toast. Fúcking gombeens.
Quite a few of the rooral and other TDs are showing themselves up.
It was ever thus

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nardol wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:I see Ring has followed Willie and Dara is embarrassing the Government.

The Shinners are going to eat us on toast. Fúcking gombeens.
Quite a few of the rooral and other TDs are showing themselves up.
It was ever thus
Another way of looking at it: Complete electoral stupidity from MM & LV.

Sinn Fein are already established as the dominant party in working class Dublin - they will eat the alphabets at the next election. They remain strong in the Border constituencies. They are weak in Middle Class urban & suburban constituencies. The rural constituencies are up for grabs - like it or not ministries are a way of consolidating power in marginal areas. They haven't done that - they have left the door wide open for SF.

As an example Kildare North. This was a disaster for the 3 government parties in February: FF lost a seat, FG scraped their 1, the Greens expected to gain a seat & missed badly. By rights they should target Saint Catherine of Celbridge & Racist Reada; instead they completely ignored it. They have given SF the chance to consolidate their unexpected gain, made it really difficult for FF to gain back the seat they lost, and haven't given FG the chance to raise the profile of their successor to Bernard Durkan.

Given the length of time that the 3 party leaders & their officials had to think about things they picked a very poor cabinet electorally. (Let's face it - there are about 8 ministers/juniors of talent who had to be picked; the rest are all much of a muchness & aren't really differentiated on talent.)

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Imagine my shock to find the "don't do that because its hard" committee member advocating for gombeen politics.

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Kildare North is hardly a real rural area. 20min from Dublin, highly affluent, most people university educated and commuting to work in Dublin. Poor example really.

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Martin and Varadkar really should have put party before country. That would have shown up all the people who criticised them for same. I mean it's not like the country is going through a crisis so what harm is there in putting the wrong people into positions of influence?

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Duff Paddy wrote:Kildare North is hardly a real rural area. 20min from Dublin, highly affluent, most people university educated and commuting to work in Dublin. Poor example really.
It's the same old parish pump.

The problem is apparently that we have too much a Dublin focus and yet he wants it solved by appointing another junior in the burbs

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Mullet 2 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Kildare North is hardly a real rural area. 20min from Dublin, highly affluent, most people university educated and commuting to work in Dublin. Poor example really.
It's the same old parish pump.

The problem is apparently that we have too much a Dublin focus and yet he wants it solved by appointing another junior in the burbs
The people of ballygobackwards, Co. Leitrim will be placated now that their rural concerns are being addressed by a junior minister living in Maynooth. Rooral Ireland.

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Duff Paddy wrote:Kildare North is hardly a real rural area. 20min from Dublin, highly affluent, most people university educated and commuting to work in Dublin. Poor example really.
I've a mate from Naas and the locals can be surprisingly parochial. There's a lot of resentment towards the "encroachment" of Dublin's suburbs. I'd love to say I'm exaggerating/making it up but the Kildarians are surprisingly resentful. There's also blind fury about people in places like Celbridge wearing Dublin jerseys.

The IT Inside Politics podcast had that fella Cunningham on who used to work for British Labour as a statistician/pollster. He made the point that Sinn Féin are snapping up the rural working-class vote that basically doesn't vote for anybody. Places like Naas, etc, are full of those sorts.

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I dont understand these people voting for SF.

Do they not get that they all go from working class to social welfare class under SF?

Aj - are you saying that people who dont vote now are voting and are voting for SF?

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Noticeable shift in aspiration by most of the health expert commentators over the last few days to a “Covid free island”.

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FidesEtRobur wrote:Noticeable shift in aspiration by most of the health expert commentators over the last few days to a “Covid free island”.
would require a serious mindset change for the Unionist

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nardol wrote:I dont understand these people voting for SF.

Do they not get that they all go from working class to social welfare class under SF?

Aj - are you saying that people who dont vote now are voting and are voting for SF?
They used to vote for Fianna Fáil.

They now vote for Sinn Féin.

Their turnout is fairly low though, because most politicians have ignored them. Rural Irish TDs don't overly focus on "townies" needs.

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This double forum thing is a tad annoying.

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CM11 wrote:This double forum thing is a tad annoying.
NPR is just a life raft. So long as this place is functioning, people should post here.

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Duff Paddy wrote:
CM11 wrote:This double forum thing is a tad annoying.
NPR is just a life raft. So long as this place is functioning, people should post here.
I think a lot seem to have jumped this time and I don't blame them.

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Duff Paddy wrote:
CM11 wrote:This double forum thing is a tad annoying.
NPR is just a life raft. So long as this place is functioning, people should post here.
more people online on NPR now then here. Writing is on the wall for this place

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Mullet 2 wrote:Imagine my shock to find the "don't do that because its hard" committee member advocating for gombeen politics.
I used to think that you were putting on a persona; now I realise that you are genuinely thick.

I explicitly said that, outside of about 8 people, it makes feck all difference to the performance & capability of the Government who the ministers & juniors are because the rest of the government TDs are all much of a muchness - fairly useless. At that point Rule 1 of politics comes into play:
Get elected
For some reason MM & LV ignored that very basic rule & have let SF completely off the hook. It will be on their own heads that they have given SF the chance to bed in their newly elected TDs without strong local opposition.
Mullet 2 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Kildare North is hardly a real rural area. 20min from Dublin, highly affluent, most people university educated and commuting to work in Dublin. Poor example really.
It's the same old parish pump.

The problem is apparently that we have too much a Dublin focus and yet he wants it solved by appointing another junior in the burbs
Since you have trouble with the meaning of example here's a useful link.

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SF can implode in this term or they can lead the next Government and implode.

Once the fools who back the see their dole isn't going to 800 quid a week theyll be calling them sellouts in no time.

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There was a wind behind the Shinners last time, in particular "tangate" (which backfired on FF) which drew a lot of disenchanted voters from all social backgrounds to vote for them.

I don't think ML is a particularly good leader, they also have a lot of first time headbangers elected who mightn't be so attuned to the 'RA omerta as some of the older heads.

Finally given fair wind, and the ECB appears to be guaranteeing that there will be one, this government has the opportunity to be around when lots of units are built whether private or social. Murphys Strategic Housing Development legislation has done what it set out to do and unjammed the planning process.

Finally, finally, with the likes of anti-shinner heavyweights like Murphy, and O'Callaghan on the back benches they won't get away with their usual insinuations, half lies, and outright mendacity.

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Mullet 2 wrote:SF can implode in this term or they can lead the next Government and implode.

Once the fools who back the see their dole isn't going to 800 quid a week theyll be calling them sellouts in no time.
You're ignoring the lessons from your own party's history. You're also ignoring the demographics of the Irish electorate.

FF has very little support among the under-40s. It's support is literally dying off. FG similarly. SF's is growing - it's actually in our best interest as a country that this left-ish vote should coalesce around a single party rather than distribute among the rest of the alphabet wackos.

FF needs to wage a concerted campaign to get back the voters that it has lost to the independents - those voters are still in its core demographic. For some strange reason Micheal decided not to do so this time - FF will regret that decision.

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Mullet 2 wrote:SF can implode in this term or they can lead the next Government and implode.

Once the fools who back the see their dole isn't going to 800 quid a week theyll be calling them sellouts in no time.
And their free house doesn't materialise.

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Excess deaths 'substantially' less than Covid-19 figures - HIQA
A new report from the Health Information and Quality Authority (HIQA) shows that while Covid-19 caused a 13% increase in deaths in Ireland between March and June 2020, the number of excess deaths linked to the virus may be "substantially" less than has been reported.

The analysis assesses the number of deaths that occurred in Ireland from 11 March 2020 to 16 June 2020 relative to the expected number of deaths, using data from the death notices website RIP.ie.

It found that while there were 1,200 more deaths during that period, this is less than the 1,709 people recorded as having died from coronavirus during those months.

HIQA's Chief Scientist, Dr Conor Teljeur, said: "Based on an analysis of the death notices reported on RIP.ie since 2010, there is clear evidence of excess deaths occurring since the first reported death due to Covid-19 in Ireland.

"There were about 1,100 to 1,200 more deaths than we would expect based on historical patterns; a 13% increase between 11 March to 16 June. However, the number of excess deaths is substantially less than the reported 1,709 Covid-19-related deaths over the same period."

HIQA found that the officially-reported Covid-19 deaths likely overestimates the true burden of excess deaths caused by the virus. This could be due to the inclusion within official figures of people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2 (coronavirus) at the time of death, whose cause of death may have been predominantly due to other factors.

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So are we back here or on NPR?

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lilyw wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:SF can implode in this term or they can lead the next Government and implode.

Once the fools who back the see their dole isn't going to 800 quid a week theyll be calling them sellouts in no time.
You're ignoring the lessons from your own party's history. You're also ignoring the demographics of the Irish electorate.

FF has very little support among the under-40s. It's support is literally dying off. FG similarly. SF's is growing - it's actually in our best interest as a country that this left-ish vote should coalesce around a single party rather than distribute among the rest of the alphabet wackos.

FF needs to wage a concerted campaign to get back the voters that it has lost to the independents - those voters are still in its core demographic. For some strange reason Micheal decided not to do so this time - FF will regret that decision.

Yeah I place absolutely zero value on Lily Antoinette opinions.

Even for an aul fella you're disconnected

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Mullet 2 wrote:
lilyw wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:SF can implode in this term or they can lead the next Government and implode.

Once the fools who back the see their dole isn't going to 800 quid a week theyll be calling them sellouts in no time.
You're ignoring the lessons from your own party's history. You're also ignoring the demographics of the Irish electorate.

FF has very little support among the under-40s. It's support is literally dying off. FG similarly. SF's is growing - it's actually in our best interest as a country that this left-ish vote should coalesce around a single party rather than distribute among the rest of the alphabet wackos.

FF needs to wage a concerted campaign to get back the voters that it has lost to the independents - those voters are still in its core demographic. For some strange reason Micheal decided not to do so this time - FF will regret that decision.

Yeah I place absolutely zero value on Lily Antoinette opinions.

Even for an aul fella you're disconnected
It's your (party's) funeral.

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Better dead than red

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So do I have this right, we reported 1700 Covid deaths but "only" have 1200 excess deaths for the period March to June?

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danthefan wrote:So do I have this right, we reported 1700 Covid deaths but "only" have 1200 excess deaths for the period March to June?
Yep, we're reporting every death that tested positive for Covid as a Covid death.

These figures mean that about 500 of the deaths would have happened anyway; so that when the post pandemic stats are done, we'll be down for 1200 excess deaths to enable meaningful comparisons to be made.

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It is in all likelihood higher.

It will be interesting to see what the short term impact of the lockdown was. It seems to be minor enough for road traffic accidents surprisingly. Other activity related deaths are likely down.

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lilyw wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:SF can implode in this term or they can lead the next Government and implode.

Once the fools who back the see their dole isn't going to 800 quid a week theyll be calling them sellouts in no time.
You're ignoring the lessons from your own party's history. You're also ignoring the demographics of the Irish electorate.

FF has very little support among the under-40s. It's support is literally dying off. FG similarly. SF's is growing - it's actually in our best interest as a country that this left-ish vote should coalesce around a single party rather than distribute among the rest of the alphabet wackos.

FF needs to wage a concerted campaign to get back the voters that it has lost to the independents - those voters are still in its core demographic. For some strange reason Micheal decided not to do so this time - FF will regret that decision.
FG do okay with under 40s.

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lilyw wrote:
nardol wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:I see Ring has followed Willie and Dara is embarrassing the Government.

The Shinners are going to eat us on toast. Fúcking gombeens.
Quite a few of the rooral and other TDs are showing themselves up.
It was ever thus
Another way of looking at it: Complete electoral stupidity from MM & LV.

Sinn Fein are already established as the dominant party in working class Dublin - they will eat the alphabets at the next election. They remain strong in the Border constituencies. They are weak in Middle Class urban & suburban constituencies. The rural constituencies are up for grabs - like it or not ministries are a way of consolidating power in marginal areas. They haven't done that - they have left the door wide open for SF.

As an example Kildare North. This was a disaster for the 3 government parties in February: FF lost a seat, FG scraped their 1, the Greens expected to gain a seat & missed badly. By rights they should target Saint Catherine of Celbridge & Racist Reada; instead they completely ignored it. They have given SF the chance to consolidate their unexpected gain, made it really difficult for FF to gain back the seat they lost, and haven't given FG the chance to raise the profile of their successor to Bernard Durkan.

Given the length of time that the 3 party leaders & their officials had to think about things they picked a very poor cabinet electorally. (Let's face it - there are about 8 ministers/juniors of talent who had to be picked; the rest are all much of a muchness & aren't really differentiated on talent.)
This is inevitable. LV and MM are not governing as one political party so can’t look for that balance.

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