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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:58 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:55 am He's a Shinner now :lol:
A shinner and an anti-vaxxer. Sure just throw some other mad slurs at me for disagreeing with you.
Well you've made up what you think I'm saying so yeah, why not?
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EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:04 am Stats like the Nordies we needed the middle to hold firm when all the others were losing their heads. You and Mullet lost your bowels and no point rewriting history. We all saw it and well I forgive you
Again, what point do you think I'm actually making? I'm not in favour of further lockdown but I've no particular problem with asking people to curb their socialising for a few weeks. Yes, there is an economic impact there but not the extreme 'shut the country down' that Duff keeps throwing my way.

I just take exception to anyone trying to minimise the disease, while in the same breath bemoaning non experts getting airtime on our airwaves.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:39 am
As for your previous post. No, I don't expect no deaths to be a realistic aim. I do think we should be aiming for not having hundreds in hospital/ICU and not seeing deaths from the covid most days of the week.
You realise all cause deaths are being covid tested and retrospectively categorised as covid deaths right - it’s not an accurate stat
So the Government is deliberately manipulating statistics to make it look like they're doing a worse job?

OK Gemma
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EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:04 am Stats like the Nordies we needed the middle to hold firm when all the others were losing their heads. You and Mullet lost your bowels and no point rewriting history. We all saw it and well I forgive you
We all know who went hysterical bird day 1.

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Mullet 2 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:09 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:39 am
As for your previous post. No, I don't expect no deaths to be a realistic aim. I do think we should be aiming for not having hundreds in hospital/ICU and not seeing deaths from the covid most days of the week.
You realise all cause deaths are being covid tested and retrospectively categorised as covid deaths right - it’s not an accurate stat
So the Government is deliberately manipulating statistics to make it look like they're doing a worse job?

OK Gemma
Sort of, actually. Because if they didn't, they'd be accused of covering up. But really, they're just being good boys and following WHO guidelines.

The reality is that yes, there are some covid deaths where the person would have died had they caught a common cold too but I think it's an exaggeration to suggest that a decent proportion of people who died didn't have their lives cut short significantly. Enough to matter anyway.
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EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:11 am It's a death spiral Mullet and they can't get out of it. Hoisted by their own retard trying to be the best boys in the class. The whole thing is utterly transparent but here we are and here you are still arguing for it
Government making a stat worse :lol:

You boys have lost it.
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Hey lads we don't want to end up like the brexspivs on here, angry and in denial at the same time.
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If somebody is slow walking across the road and gets hit by a truck we don't put the death down to their hip operation.

The lads want us to categorize Covid deaths as something else. They have a word for that...cover something
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Mullet 2 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:13 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:11 am It's a death spiral Mullet and they can't get out of it. Hoisted by their own retard trying to be the best boys in the class. The whole thing is utterly transparent but here we are and here you are still arguing for it
Government making a stat worse :lol:

You boys have lost it.
Despite the mountain of stats the government have released on this, there are still people who are calling the government out for hiding stuff. The schools is the current one. People have confused cases in schools to an outbreak in schools and have scoffed at the idea we only have 13 outbreaks in that setting. It's just getting so ridiculous.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:15 am If somebody is slow walking across the road and gets hit by a truck we don't put the death down to their hip operation.

The lads want us to categorize Covid deaths as something else. They have a word for that...cover something
It's not the worst analogy Mullet but the point is more how likely they were going to be hit by something and whether being ran into by a toddler on a trike would also cause a fatality. I think they're over egging just how close to death enough of the people were to matter.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:09 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:39 am
As for your previous post. No, I don't expect no deaths to be a realistic aim. I do think we should be aiming for not having hundreds in hospital/ICU and not seeing deaths from the covid most days of the week.
You realise all cause deaths are being covid tested and retrospectively categorised as covid deaths right - it’s not an accurate stat
So the Government is deliberately manipulating statistics to make it look like they're doing a worse job?

OK Gemma
You don’t understand how the HSE is separate to the government and how the HSE age notifying covid deaths. At least we cleared that up.
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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/d ... 38525.html


Dublin to be cut off from rest of country for next three weeks as 'concerning trends' emerge in three other counties


Cut off from the rest of the country, thank you Independent for that wonderful headline.

How does that work with the thousands of people coming into Dublin for work etc., just plough on?
Dublin is facing three weeks of new Covid-19 restrictions which will cut off the capital from the rest of the country.

The National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) is expected to recommend enforcing Level 3 restrictions across the entire county of Dublin, which will cause further economic damage to the country’s economy.

Health chiefs said “concerning trends” are also emerging in Louth, Waterford and Donegal.

Under Level 3, people will be banned from leaving the county for non-essential journeys.

People living in other counties will be prohibited from entering Dublin unless it is for work, education or another essential purpose. People living in Dublin will be asked to work from home.
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I am not hanging on every stat, I'm watching trends.
Are you now :lol: throw us up an old graph of the hospital burden of covid since it started so
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Ah the HSE are being directed on this Duff. Which is why we don't have the ridiculous situation in the UK with two separate stats (are they still doing that?).
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You don't understand how the Irish Government works :lol:

It's the lads in the HSE trying to make themselves look worse is it? If you stopped to consider it for 2 seconds you see how idiotic you look but you doubled down on this crazy shit weeks ago.

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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:25 am
I am not hanging on every stat, I'm watching trends.
Are you now :lol: throw us up an old graph of the hospital burden of covid since it started so
Yes, I am. Which is why I pointed out to you recently the increasing numbers being hospitalised. I'm wondering when the number becomes significant for you?
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normilet wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:24 am https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/d ... 38525.html


Dublin to be cut off from rest of country for next three weeks as 'concerning trends' emerge in three other counties


Cut off from the rest of the country, thank you Independent for that wonderful headline.

How does that work with the thousands of people coming into Dublin for work etc., just plough on?
Dublin is facing three weeks of new Covid-19 restrictions which will cut off the capital from the rest of the country.

The National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) is expected to recommend enforcing Level 3 restrictions across the entire county of Dublin, which will cause further economic damage to the country’s economy.

Health chiefs said “concerning trends” are also emerging in Louth, Waterford and Donegal.

Under Level 3, people will be banned from leaving the county for non-essential journeys.

People living in other counties will be prohibited from entering Dublin unless it is for work, education or another essential purpose. People living in Dublin will be asked to work from home.
NPHET are concerned. Well that’s justification to shut down the capital city. We might hit 80 hospital cases in the entire country if we don’t further destroy our economy. The country has gone mad.
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CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:26 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:25 am
I am not hanging on every stat, I'm watching trends.
Are you now :lol: throw us up an old graph of the hospital burden of covid since it started so
Yes, I am. Which is why I pointed out to you recently the increasing numbers being hospitalised. I'm wondering when the number becomes significant for you?
I already explained to you that it’s the statistics of small numbers - the trends have no significance the changes are so minute
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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:28 am
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:26 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:25 am
I am not hanging on every stat, I'm watching trends.
Are you now :lol: throw us up an old graph of the hospital burden of covid since it started so
Yes, I am. Which is why I pointed out to you recently the increasing numbers being hospitalised. I'm wondering when the number becomes significant for you?
I already explained to you that it’s the statistics of small numbers - the trends have no significance the changes are so minute
Hospital admissions doubling every two weeks is minute? We will hit 100 in hospital by the weekend on current trends (76 currently).
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The last wave started because a few cúnts went Skiing but this time the statistics of small numbers will protect us if we do nothing.
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But again, same question, how many more until it's no longer 'minute'?
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Mullet 2 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:32 am The last wave started because a few cúnts went Skiing but this time the statistics of small numbers will protect us if we do nothing.
In fairness, in retrospect, I think it was probably travelling over the Christmas period that introduced the virus to Ireland.

Anyone any idea what happened in Beaumont yesterday to increase their hospitalisations so much ?
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EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:33 am Loads of them don't need hospitalisation. They are just put in to fill up the beds and get a bit of oxygen moving through the machines. I've seen the photos and they are all sitting up watching Netflix
There is still plenty of discharges, thankfully, so we're not overloaded yet, but unlike a month ago the admissions are outstripping the discharges significantly.

Agree that a lot won't be serious but still need some treatment.
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camroc1 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:35 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:32 am The last wave started because a few cúnts went Skiing but this time the statistics of small numbers will protect us if we do nothing.
In fairness, in retrospect, I think it was probably travelling over the Christmas period that introduced the virus to Ireland.

Anyone any idea what happened in Beaumont yesterday to increase their hospitalisations so much ?
Government designated a load of minor injuries as Covid to make the stats worse
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camroc1 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:35 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:32 am The last wave started because a few cúnts went Skiing but this time the statistics of small numbers will protect us if we do nothing.
In fairness, in retrospect, I think it was probably travelling over the Christmas period that introduced the virus to Ireland.

Anyone any idea what happened in Beaumont yesterday to increase their hospitalisations so much ?
They're in the catchment area for the most cases in Dublin but could also be the outbreak there.
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What are the chances of this Europe wide minimum wage lark going through?
Will be Irish levels of min wage? or say €3 in Romania.
Would it prevent Albania joining the EU, surely these countries would have to borrow or stop developing.
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I reckon we'll see a lot of hospitalisations over the next few weeks.

I suspect though they have the better treatments for pneumonia so maybe we'll see far less deaths.
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EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:35 am
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:32 am But again, same question, how many more until it's no longer 'minute'?
Nobody gives a fück Stats. They are done with it. You and Ro cried wolf too many times. That's the law of crying wolf
Ro? Glynn? You've moved on from Tones? Take care of your foot!

And no, I'm not a hardliner. That would be you and Duff who are so sure. I'm in no position to figure out the best way forward.
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:40 am I reckon we'll see a lot of hospitalisations over the next few weeks.

I suspect though they have the better treatments for pneumonia so maybe we'll see far less deaths.
I think it's the blood connection that was made that has reduced deaths most.

We have a very decent record for bringing people through ICU and out the other side. Chronic heart conditions seem to be the most at risk, I guess because the heart gives in before treatment starts working.
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EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:41 am
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:40 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:35 am
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:32 am But again, same question, how many more until it's no longer 'minute'?
Nobody gives a fück Stats. They are done with it. You and Ro cried wolf too many times. That's the law of crying wolf
Ro? Glynn? You've moved on from Tones? Take care of your foot!

And no, I'm not a hardliner. That would be you and Duff who are so sure. I'm in no position to figure out the best way forward.
You are a Covid facist pretending you listen to all views but you have one. Lock people down and make them miserable
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EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:40 am
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:37 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:33 am Loads of them don't need hospitalisation. They are just put in to fill up the beds and get a bit of oxygen moving through the machines. I've seen the photos and they are all sitting up watching Netflix
There is still plenty of discharges, thankfully, so we're not overloaded yet, but unlike a month ago the admissions are outstripping the discharges significantly.

Agree that a lot won't be serious but still need some treatment.
They do in their hoop need treatment. 'Ah doctor me breathing is terribles put us on the oul oxygen for a few days and I can tell all the girls I was dyin and maybe go on Joe and tell him all about me night sweats'
You won't get put on oxygen if your levels are fine.

It's possible to get your levels up with home treatment but not everyone is keen. Actually, you probably know more about this than me?
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EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:46 am The economy wrecked for your musings and NPHETs ego. It's a crying shame.
My sides are splitting, stop!
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Looking at the updated covid data hub, yesterday there were three admissions to hospital, and three discharges, yet the number hospitalised with covid rose by 11.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcg ... u--testing

And it's the Mater where numbers "mysteriously" jumped, not Beaumont - apologies.
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CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:39 am What's an acceptable number of deaths/patients in ICU over the next few months ER?
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camroc1 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:48 am Looking at the updated covid data hub, yesterday there were three admissions to hospital, and three discharges, yet the number hospitalised with covid rose by 11.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcg ... u--testing

And it's the Mater where numbers "mysteriously" jumped, not Beaumont - apologies.
Covid data hub is updated more regularly so that's as of 8am this morning.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:21 am He wants nobody to die of anything ever, and certainly not covid
That's fúcking pathetic, Duff. FFS.
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CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:13 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:09 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:39 am
As for your previous post. No, I don't expect no deaths to be a realistic aim. I do think we should be aiming for not having hundreds in hospital/ICU and not seeing deaths from the covid most days of the week.
You realise all cause deaths are being covid tested and retrospectively categorised as covid deaths right - it’s not an accurate stat
So the Government is deliberately manipulating statistics to make it look like they're doing a worse job?

OK Gemma
Sort of, actually. Because if they didn't, they'd be accused of covering up. But really, they're just being good boys and following WHO guidelines.

The reality is that yes, there are some covid deaths where the person would have died had they caught a common cold too but I think it's an exaggeration to suggest that a decent proportion of people who died didn't have their lives cut short significantly. Enough to matter anyway.
There's no way of saying that, particularly given the pure number of 85+ year olds who have passed away.

That is why the excess deaths over time are telling - of course they are going to end up muddled with cancer screenings delayed longer than they should have and all the other costs that people refuse to acknowledge of our prolonged lockdown.
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EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:47 am
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:45 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:40 am
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:37 am
EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:33 am Loads of them don't need hospitalisation. They are just put in to fill up the beds and get a bit of oxygen moving through the machines. I've seen the photos and they are all sitting up watching Netflix
There is still plenty of discharges, thankfully, so we're not overloaded yet, but unlike a month ago the admissions are outstripping the discharges significantly.

Agree that a lot won't be serious but still need some treatment.
They do in their hoop need treatment. 'Ah doctor me breathing is terribles put us on the oul oxygen for a few days and I can tell all the girls I was dyin and maybe go on Joe and tell him all about me night sweats'
You won't get put on oxygen if your levels are fine.

It's possible to get your levels up with home treatment but not everyone is keen. Actually, you probably know more about this than me?
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EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:50 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:49 am
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:39 am What's an acceptable number of deaths/patients in ICU over the next few months ER?
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He's absolutely gone off on one. Lockdown has him wet
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EverReady wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:54 am
Nolanator wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:52 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:21 am He wants nobody to die of anything ever, and certainly not covid
That's fúcking pathetic, Duff. FFS.
Would you ever science and out an end to this nonsense
I can make you a tiny amount of hydrogen, if that helps?
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