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https://twitter.com/air_intel/status/12 ... 90177?s=20

This is absolutely bananas. Explosion apparently at some factory or chemical facility in Beiruit.
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danthefan wrote:https://twitter.com/air_intel/status/12 ... 90177?s=20

This is absolutely bananas. Explosion apparently at some factory or chemical facility in Beiruit.
Some power in that.
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I instinctively ducked. Fark
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That is mental. The wave of destruction as the shock wave moves out!
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Having watched the birth of countless super heroes I knew the little lightening bolts were a precursor to something awesome

Edit. I take that back. Looking at it now online and there are going to be lots of dead after that. A firecracker factory in a city though. Come on.
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A firework factory managed by Hezbollah?
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31 are associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case
4 cases have been identified as community transmission
45 cases in total though. Are the others in residential settings or something?
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CM11 wrote:
31 are associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case
4 cases have been identified as community transmission
45 cases in total though. Are the others in residential settings or something?
Travel?
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Pubs not opening on the 10th says the Indo.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:
CM11 wrote:
31 are associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case
4 cases have been identified as community transmission
45 cases in total though. Are the others in residential settings or something?
Travel?
They've been talking about travel being low. 20% of the daily cases would surely have been mentioned?
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CM11 wrote:
31 are associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case
4 cases have been identified as community transmission
45 cases in total though. Are the others in residential settings or something?
Agricultural workers, who would be living in "hostel-type" accommodation.

The 4 community transmission cases means that it is very difficult to argue against the pubs opening with some restrictions (all punters to be seated, the 1m restriction, early closing times etc.etc.).
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Nolanator wrote:A firework factory managed by Hezbollah?
Times like this I wish I was on Twitter so I could talk shite about Israel specialising in firecracker bombs and then cite some made up firecracker bomb in Yemen circa 1967
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camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
31 are associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case
4 cases have been identified as community transmission
45 cases in total though. Are the others in residential settings or something?
Agricultural workers, who would be living in "hostel-type" accommodation.

The 4 community transmission cases means that it is very difficult to argue against the pubs opening with some restrictions (all punters to be seated, the 1m restriction, early closing times etc.etc.).
Well, the outbreaks didn't come from nowhere and unfortunately pubs are the perfect environment for outbreaks.
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CM11 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
31 are associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case
4 cases have been identified as community transmission
45 cases in total though. Are the others in residential settings or something?
Agricultural workers, who would be living in "hostel-type" accommodation.

The 4 community transmission cases means that it is very difficult to argue against the pubs opening with some restrictions (all punters to be seated, the 1m restriction, early closing times etc.etc.).
Well, the outbreaks didn't come from nowhere and unfortunately pubs are the perfect environment for outbreaks.
There were FOUR cases in the entire country that came from an unknown source. Anyone confirmed with covid (or indeed exhibiting the symptoms), or who knows they have been in contact with someone who has it, is required to self isolate for 14 days.
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camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
31 are associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case
4 cases have been identified as community transmission
45 cases in total though. Are the others in residential settings or something?
Agricultural workers, who would be living in "hostel-type" accommodation.

The 4 community transmission cases means that it is very difficult to argue against the pubs opening with some restrictions (all punters to be seated, the 1m restriction, early closing times etc.etc.).
Well, the outbreaks didn't come from nowhere and unfortunately pubs are the perfect environment for outbreaks.
There were FOUR cases in the entire country that came from an unknown source. Anyone confirmed with covid (or indeed exhibiting the symptoms), or who knows they have been in contact with someone who has it, is required to self isolate for 14 days.
Not sure what your point is cam. You're hardly claiming that's the last 4 cases in the community and then we're done. All these outbreaks started with 1 case. Pubs increase the chances of more outbreaks. I'm not necessarily arguing against opening pubs, just pointing out that the argument for it isn't that there's only 4 cases of community transmission today.
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camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
31 are associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case
4 cases have been identified as community transmission
45 cases in total though. Are the others in residential settings or something?
Agricultural workers, who would be living in "hostel-type" accommodation.

The 4 community transmission cases means that it is very difficult to argue against the pubs opening with some restrictions (all punters to be seated, the 1m restriction, early closing times etc.etc.).
5 weeks on and still zero clusters identified from them.

The rest of the sector destroyed now after spending thousands to reopen when the NPHET never wanted them open. The pols get to look like super duper leaders though with their wall of PUP.
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:Yes arbitrary, the EU set a guidance (based on the average in the EU on June 15th, when the virus was at a very low point) over the last 14 days. Ireland went for a far lower limit, the only reason being that it was what Ireland was clocking at the time. A tiny number of cases but hey ho, in the short term it allowed the Government to trumpet how "conservative" they were when the country was being hysterical over a flight from Dallas.

The issue is going forward and managing that. It is incredibly low and results in any form of cluster of cases knocking a country off the list.
They are based off a defined set of criteria that cover the rate of infection.

They are the exact opposite it being arbitrary.
They are based on Ireland’s rate at the time, which has zero medical basis for control. The EU rate at least was based on a consensus, an easy out.

The issue being that such a tiny rate meant that going forward, countries would be dumped every couple of weeks for minor clusters. This provides zero certainty to any traveller or airline, in reality is just makes things worse.

The lads got to look like great leaders though going on about how conservative they were vs the rest of Europe so that’s cool.
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What unmitigated nonsense

It's an Irish list so we have Irish criteria to access Ireland.

You clearly have no idea what arbitrary means. As I said, it's the exact opposite. It has a set of clearly defined criteria.

You're nothing but a constantly negative on everything moan masquerading as an internet doctor.
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Mullet 2 wrote:What unmitigated nonsense

It's an Irish list so we have Irish criteria to access Ireland.

You clearly have no idea what arbitrary means. As I said, it's the exact opposite. It has a set of clearly defined criteria.

You're nothing but a constantly negative on everything moan masquerading as an internet doctor.
Bullshit.

I praised all of their initial actions, including the original PUP.
I have praised the track and trace put into place.
Even though the school plans are under some pressure, I said fair play for getting a comprehensive plan into place.

So like your other lies like me not caring for the elderly or masks, please stop lying.

The standard was totally arbitrary, as I explained.
It was also unilateral. There is an EU approach which has detailed guidelines on it but we ignored that.

As I explained, the “conservative” approach leaders to little clusters getting a country kicked off the list. It’s the worst of all worlds.

In addition to the problem of countries getting kicked off based on Ireland’a near zero rate when it all kicked off, we are going to find it difficult to maintain. Are we really going to keep a near zero rate until this magically goes away? The EU guidelines were signed off by the European Centre for Disease Control, experts. The WHO have stated that travel restrictions should be short term, again, experts. The Irish standard will make it very challenging to add any countries.
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https://youtu.be/KiQtzc-AShU

100k insolvencies possible in Australia. 100k small businesses went to the the wall in the US by May.

What will it be in Ireland? Most people in the Recovery biz I’ve talked to suggest the New Year here.

The attention bias and trying to appear as good boys on here in relation to Covid has led to many lads in here missing the importance of this. We had all been hopeful of a V Shaped recovery in the latter half of the year, and whilst some sectors are improving, it is likely going to be carnage. Most people in Ireland will not be aware of this in all likelihood. Indeed in the U.K. and many other countries, citizens have been shown to drastically overstate the impact of Covid so far and have paid little attention to the economy, as the State stepped in for the short term. When the cash runs out, then what?

It’s what makes the charade with the pubs all the more baffling. There was little intention to reopen them by the NPHET but business owners and workers have been strung along. Along with whisky washy approach to travel, it is piss poor from the Government. The stimulus package went for the headliner stuff and failed to make sectoral specific interventions. I was myself caught in the thrall or the Staycation voucher and was wrong, we are going to be subsidising businesses that do not need it whilst leaving ones that do in deep ship. Maybe the magic money tree will keep going and we can save these businesses, who knows.
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It seems clear to me that Martin is scared shitless that cases will surge if he allows the pubs to open, giving the teachers unions the ability to climb on top of their very high horses, demanding all sorts, before they deign to allow the schools to reopen sometime in the new year once their concerns have been met.

There will just be a large increase in unregulated "bush " drinking amongst the young, with no record of names or phone numbers of those involved.
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Bullshit my hoop

You've come out against everything the Government has done while taking the Trump play book by criticising the other side as having THEIR knickers in a twist. :lol:

You know fúck all about any of this but have convinced yourself you're on the pulse.

This is a few years after we all declared ourselves bond experts.

You and ER know fúck all about any of it so shut your hole and relax

While your at it you should google arbitrary. It no means what you think it means.
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camroc1 wrote:It seems clear to me that Martin is scared shitless that cases will surge if he allows the pubs to open, giving the teachers unions the ability to climb on top of their very high horses, demanding all sorts, before they deign to allow the schools to reopen sometime in the new year once their concerns have been met.

There will just be a large increase in unregulated "bush " drinking amongst the young, with no record of names or phone numbers of those involved.
You can shut your hole also

The pub is a clear risk area and has been proved to be so in umpteen countries.

Our pubs in particular are dingy holes because that's how we like it.

Kids don't drink in pubs and never have so spare me the bullshit that these knack sessions should be Billy O'Hooleys pub in Newcastle West if only they were open. Its laughable.
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Mullet 2 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:It seems clear to me that Martin is scared shitless that cases will surge if he allows the pubs to open, giving the teachers unions the ability to climb on top of their very high horses, demanding all sorts, before they deign to allow the schools to reopen sometime in the new year once their concerns have been met.

There will just be a large increase in unregulated "bush " drinking amongst the young, with no record of names or phone numbers of those involved.
You can shut your hole also

The pub is a clear risk area and has been proved to be so in umpteen countries.

Our pubs in particular are dingy holes because that's how we like it.

Kids don't drink in pubs and never have so spare me the bullshit that these knack sessions should be Billy O'Hooleys pub in Newcastle West if only they were open. Its laughable.
I actually think the government has done well, Mullet, but should have allowed the opening up of pubs under 1m distancing and early closing restrictions. If the publicans and public hadn't played ball, then close them up again.

Anyhoo......imagine if the same happens here ?.......

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-53636296

..........the Four Goldmines will truly live up to their name.
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Open up pubs under rules we all know won't be followed.

Pubs being famous of course for following the law not to serve somebody who is intoxicated.
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Mullet 2 wrote:Open up pubs under rules we all know won't be followed.

Pubs being famous of course for following the law not to serve somebody who is intoxicated.
Well then close them again and threaten to keep them closed until after Christmas.
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camroc1 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Open up pubs under rules we all know won't be followed.

Pubs being famous of course for following the law not to serve somebody who is intoxicated.
Well then close them again and threaten to keep them closed until after Christmas.
That's probably the best idea in terms of reducing outbreaks. Not feasible with so much economic activity and employment reliant on pub trade, though. They're clearly trying to find a balance. A task which requires quite a bit of responding to changing circumstances (making it up as they go) on the fly.

Pubs really are the perfectly bad combination of factors for Covid. Drunk people not distancing, shouting/singing in each other's faces, poor hygiene. Disaster.
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The outcome of the Cabinet’s deliberations are known to everybody at this stage. The headline news is one thing, the detail of the subsequent press conference is another, more telling, consideration.

This is a dark day for our trade.

We all accept that public health considerations are paramount but there is a total abdication of responsibility by government towards taking balanced decisions.

Once again the government has failed to take action to address the real problem areas – meat processing plants (and related direct provision centres), house parties, shebeens etc. Three weeks ago we predicted, unfortunately correctly, that inaction by government around these locations would lead to this situation. Pubs are the collateral damage.

At tonight’s press conference, the Taoiseach gave no ray of hope about pubs opening other than a review in three weeks’ time. There was a cabinet decision taken today for the Minister for Finance along with the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform to examine how additional supports can be put in place for pubs and other sectors affected by this deferral. This is in response for our call for compensation.

The problem is that those Ministers are now on holidays and the supports are needed NOW. These supports will need to be time-based, significant and easily accessed – in the guise of support for every week an outlet remains closed. We now need a rapid government response.

Over the past ten days great pressure was brought to bear on politician’s right around the country by individual members. It obviously was not enough. More is needed and more will be forthcoming.

We can no longer rely on this government to give real protection to this sector. Over the coming 48 hours we will re-examine what steps need to be taken to highlight Government inaction and how best we can protect the pub sector over the coming months.

We will plan and action accordingly, keeping you, the members, fully informed.

Padraig Cribben

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“fudge de pubs” though
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Those widely accepted as impartial observers, the VFI... :roll:


"They haven't sorted the meat plant hotspots, but they should open potential new hotspots to get the virus spread amongst an entirely new demographic".
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camroc1 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Open up pubs under rules we all know won't be followed.

Pubs being famous of course for following the law not to serve somebody who is intoxicated.
Well then close them again and threaten to keep them closed until after Christmas.
Or we could live in the real world.
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Mullet 2 wrote:Open up pubs under rules we all know won't be followed.

Pubs being famous of course for following the law not to serve somebody who is intoxicated.
Of course weeks ago yourself and others were squealing about all the pubs allegedly not following the rules.

Surely there would be loads of outbreaks now? I see Martin was asked this tonight and he mentioned he thinks there might be a couple of cases connected by a pub, he couldn’t say where. I assume it is minor then given how any large clusters are reported.

You can’t have it both ways.
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Nolanator wrote:Those widely accepted as impartial observers, the VFI... :roll:
Yeah fudge them looking out for the interests of their members who have had their livelihoods taken away from them.

:roll:
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Nolanator wrote:Those widely accepted as impartial observers, the VFI... :roll:


"They haven't sorted the meat plant hotspots, but they should open potential new hotspots to get the virus spread amongst an entirely new demographic".
Yeah but one poster said fúck the pubs 4 weeks ago so well all think that.

This is man who demands we all move on from his failure to admit he's ever wrong.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Those widely accepted as impartial observers, the VFI... :roll:
Yeah fudge them looking out for the interests of their members who have had their livelihoods taken away from them.

:roll:
I look forward to a full throated defence of the ASTI
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camroc1 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Open up pubs under rules we all know won't be followed.

Pubs being famous of course for following the law not to serve somebody who is intoxicated.
Well then close them again and threaten to keep them closed until after Christmas.
Or simply follow what has been happening at pubs and restaurants up and down the country, even if those restrictions were flawed.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Those widely accepted as impartial observers, the VFI... :roll:
Yeah fudge them looking out for the interests of their members who have had their livelihoods taken away from them.

:roll:
What do they want? Magic the virus into something which doesn't spread so efficiently in pin environments?
It's shit and is costing people their livelihoods, yes, but it's here and has to be dealt with. They're trying to get some level of activity back, but can't allow more, for the moment.
That'll change in time. Really don't understand the problem with this.
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Nolanator wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Those widely accepted as impartial observers, the VFI... :roll:
Yeah fudge them looking out for the interests of their members who have had their livelihoods taken away from them.

:roll:
What do they want? Magic the virus into something which doesn't spread so efficiently in pin environments?
It's shit and is costing people their livelihoods, yes, but it's here and has to be dealt with. They're trying to get some level of activity back, but can't allow more, for the moment.
That'll change in time. Really don't understand the problem with this.
He's bitched the whole way.

He wants the Trump pretend it's not a thing and we let the elderly drop like flies approach but he hasn't the balls to say it so he just attacks every decision.
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Those widely accepted as impartial observers, the VFI... :roll:
Yeah fudge them looking out for the interests of their members who have had their livelihoods taken away from them.

:roll:
I look forward to a full throated defence of the ASTI
I don’t have a problem with any organisation looking out for their members, so long as it is a fair and reasonable approach is taken. At risk teachers shouldn’t have to go into classrooms for example, I don’t have an issue with that.
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Those widely accepted as impartial observers, the VFI... :roll:
Yeah fudge them looking out for the interests of their members who have had their livelihoods taken away from them.

:roll:
What do they want? Magic the virus into something which doesn't spread so efficiently in pin environments?
It's shit and is costing people their livelihoods, yes, but it's here and has to be dealt with. They're trying to get some level of activity back, but can't allow more, for the moment.
That'll change in time. Really don't understand the problem with this.
He's bitched the whole way.

He wants the Trump pretend it's not a thing and we let the elderly drop like flies approach but he hasn't the balls to say it so he just attacks every decision.
Another lie.

I’ve called the Trump approach a joke, but what’s another lie from you, eh?

I have called for a reasonable approach to this following the initial emergency or March and early April.

I called for schools to be reopened in line with our European counterparts, based on balancing risks and coming up with an approach like they did on the continent. At the time you were shrieking about people dying in response to schools reopening in September. You’ll note that risks still exist with schools, but it’s radio silence from you now. Blame the Unions is now where you’re going I see, keeps it easy for you, right in your wheelhouse.

I called for the economy to be reopened based on social distancing, contact tracing and testing. In the majority of cases, what needs to be done is not arduous. We know what best practice is now in dealing with the virus.

I think the highly at risk people should be shielded as best we can.

I’ve called for an anti obesity campaign, seeing as that is the most at risk section of society outside of the elderly. It’s bizarre that hasn’t been done in anticipation of a second wave.

I think we need to live with the virus and learn from best practice in other countries. I was concerned about the total shutdown of the health service, which appears to not be back up and running still. I am very concerned about the economy and the long term implications of same, hurting your head in the same about it is stupid.
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The Zero Covid nobs have wind in their sails now. Good man Micheál. We'll be in the absolute shitter but you will have made the tough decisions
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