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Interesting from Varadkar, he retweeted this tweet a short while ago

https://twitter.com/danobrien20/status/ ... 25120?s=21
. Lots of chatter - with fewer facts - about Ireland having less hospital capacity than peers.

@oecd is an excellent source stats.oecd.org/#

Ireland has more acute beds per person than Denmark, Sweden, Canada, N Zealand, N'lands, Spain and Italy.
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McConkey also said we're not short of beds. His argument is no health system can cope with what's coming.

Anyway cabinet meeting today. This is happening
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Eamon Ryan saying no guarantee three party leaders in government will agree with NPHET's advise.
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iarmhiman wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:08 am McConkey also said we're not short of beds. His argument is no health system can cope with what's coming.

Anyway cabinet meeting today. This is happening
Given Varadkar's subtweeting above, and the complaints over the leaks, I suspect there will be a battle over this. Hopefully anyway.

I'd like to see McConkey's working on that. He was saying 5k cases by the end of October for Dublin, now NPHET are saying it's 1k-2k by November per day. They are all making it up as they go along.
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6 of the last 8 posts.

Good thing the self appointed pros are staying calm.
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I will say this:

If there is to be a lockdown, better now than Christmas.
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"Only in Ireland"

"Whats the difference between a bar and restaurant"

"Only we would shut down the capital"

"We should be following the continental model"

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-bars-5223766-Oct2020/

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You've been such a rock Mullet
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iarmhiman wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:14 am I will say this:

If there is to be a lockdown, better now than Christmas.
I’d say there’s zero chance we won’t be subjected to serious nationwide restrictions for the month of December, irrespective of what happens between now and then .Even if reduce the number of daily new cases to single figures over the next few weeks , there will be a fear that the festive period will send the spread of the virus through the roof . It’s going to be a strange Christmas with the hospitality sector closed down and large family gatherings banned
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Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:16 am "Only in Ireland"

"Whats the difference between a bar and restaurant"

"Only we would shut down the capital"

"We should be following the continental model"

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-bars-5223766-Oct2020/

NPHET strike again
Their figures aren't even on the same planet as ours so bit of a fail there as the young people say
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Conspicuous wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:24 am
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:14 am I will say this:

If there is to be a lockdown, better now than Christmas.
I’d say there’s zero chance we won’t be subjected to serious nationwide restrictions for the month of December, irrespective of what happens between now and then .Even if reduce the number of daily new cases to single figures over the next few weeks , there will be a fear that the festive period will send the spread of the virus through the roof . It’s going to be a strange Christmas with the hospitality sector closed down and large family gatherings banned
It's basically like this until Spring.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:16 am "Only in Ireland"

"Whats the difference between a bar and restaurant"

"Only we would shut down the capital"

"We should be following the continental model"

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-bars-5223766-Oct2020/

NPHET strike again
Yes Paris where their figures are more than double ours and the restrictions aren't as strong as what Dublin currently has.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:12 am 6 of the last 8 posts.

Good thing the self appointed pros are staying calm.
"It's just 3 weeks man"
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EverReady wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:24 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:16 am "Only in Ireland"

"Whats the difference between a bar and restaurant"

"Only we would shut down the capital"

"We should be following the continental model"

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-bars-5223766-Oct2020/

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Their figures aren't even on the same planet as ours so bit of a fail there as the young people say
Doesn't look like a shutdown of the capital.

FF and NPHET, you really know the solid boats to get on.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:48 am The NPHET superfans are crazy, it's at football fan level of defensiveness. The idea that they are beyond reproach is hilarious, the same eejits who said no Level 3 on Thursday but then went for Level 5 on the Sunday. They've lost a serious amount of credibility in the last month, it's quite clear they have no idea how to properly control the virus.
Whatever about moving Dublin from Level 3 to level 5 (when hospital admissions are actually under control); moving the rest of the country from level 2 to level 5 three or so days after their previous recommendation leads directly to the question of whether or not NPHET ar fit for purpose. Again, if it was in business, I'd want a very clear explanation as to what had happened in those three days to warrant such drastic action, and why it wasn't flagged long in advance.
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Let's see the gov announcement later.

Let's see if Fine Gael turn up.
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camroc1 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:31 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:48 am The NPHET superfans are crazy, it's at football fan level of defensiveness. The idea that they are beyond reproach is hilarious, the same eejits who said no Level 3 on Thursday but then went for Level 5 on the Sunday. They've lost a serious amount of credibility in the last month, it's quite clear they have no idea how to properly control the virus.
Whatever about moving Dublin from Level 3 to level 5 (when hospital admissions are actually under control); moving the rest of the country from level 2 to level 5 three or so days after their previous recommendation leads directly to the question of whether or not NPHET ar fit for purpose. Again, if it was in business, I'd want a very clear explanation as to what had happened in those three days to warrant such drastic action, and why it wasn't flagged long in advance.
And I'd be firing people.

The Living with Covid plan had various levels with the idea that each level mitigated to a degree. Moving through 3 levels overnight shows your plan has no control behind it.

Nolan doesn't actually understand what works and what doesn't so has been guessing. If his team had done their job between June and August, this wouldn't be as big an issue.
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Sounds like you’s are f**ked lads. Only a matter of time before the same happens up here.

Was saying to my brother at the weekend that its really sad to think that those dark November nights pinting our way around Ballsbridge before heading to the Aviva for an Autumn International may never be the same again, for a while at least anyway, with rugby and the hospitality industry both farked :thumbdown: . How many of those landlords paying stupid rents/mortgages/property taxes etc., are going to get through to other side of this?

I know in the greater scheme of things this doesn’t even register on the scale of importance (it does if you work in hospitality) but f**k, life was great before all this bollocks.
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EverReady wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:24 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:16 am "Only in Ireland"

"Whats the difference between a bar and restaurant"

"Only we would shut down the capital"

"We should be following the continental model"

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-bars-5223766-Oct2020/

NPHET strike again
Their figures aren't even on the same planet as ours so bit of a fail there as the young people say
Their maximum alert appears to involve shutting bars and that’s about it.
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EverReady wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:23 am You've been such a rock Mullet
It's true, I'm an inspiration.

The last of the "fúck it, I'll have an aul Guinness and this will all blow over" men
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cfm93 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:29 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:16 am "Only in Ireland"

"Whats the difference between a bar and restaurant"

"Only we would shut down the capital"

"We should be following the continental model"

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-bars-5223766-Oct2020/

NPHET strike again
Yes Paris where their figures are more than double ours and the restrictions aren't as strong as what Dublin currently has.
ANd they have four times our ICU beds
Five times in Germany

But you Queens don't like those numbers do you :lol:
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With all this borrowing we have from the ECB, wouldn't now be a good time to expand the ICU beds as there will be a third wave before the vaccines become available to the majority of people.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:38 am
cfm93 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:29 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:16 am "Only in Ireland"

"Whats the difference between a bar and restaurant"

"Only we would shut down the capital"

"We should be following the continental model"

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-bars-5223766-Oct2020/

NPHET strike again
Yes Paris where their figures are more than double ours and the restrictions aren't as strong as what Dublin currently has.
ANd they have four times our ICU beds
Five times in Germany

But you Queens don't like those numbers do you :lol:
And ten times the population ...
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Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:38 am
cfm93 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:29 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:16 am "Only in Ireland"

"Whats the difference between a bar and restaurant"

"Only we would shut down the capital"

"We should be following the continental model"

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-bars-5223766-Oct2020/

NPHET strike again
Yes Paris where their figures are more than double ours and the restrictions aren't as strong as what Dublin currently has.
ANd they have four times our ICU beds
Five times in Germany

But you Queens don't like those numbers do you :lol:
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I wouldn't get into maths after you couldn't understand your own parties manifesto.
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From the RTÉ ticker
The chief economist of the Institute of International and European Affairs has warned that moving to Level 5 could take the economy "three steps closer to national bankruptcy".

Dan O'Brien said if the Government closes the economy down it could run out of money within nine months, leave hundreds of thousands of people out of work and move Ireland closer to needing financial assistance.

He said it would be "grossly disproportionate" to do so and warned that "we need to take great care in deciding to shut down the economy".[\quote]
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Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:38 am
cfm93 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:29 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:16 am "Only in Ireland"

"Whats the difference between a bar and restaurant"

"Only we would shut down the capital"

"We should be following the continental model"

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-bars-5223766-Oct2020/

NPHET strike again
Yes Paris where their figures are more than double ours and the restrictions aren't as strong as what Dublin currently has.
ANd they have four times our ICU beds
Five times in Germany

But you Queens don't like those numbers do you :lol:
And Ireland has a considerably younger average age of population than either France or Germany.
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Botha Boy wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:41 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:38 am
cfm93 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:29 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:16 am "Only in Ireland"

"Whats the difference between a bar and restaurant"

"Only we would shut down the capital"

"We should be following the continental model"

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-bars-5223766-Oct2020/

NPHET strike again
Yes Paris where their figures are more than double ours and the restrictions aren't as strong as what Dublin currently has.
ANd they have four times our ICU beds
Five times in Germany

But you Queens don't like those numbers do you :lol:
And ten times the population ...

Per head horse :roll:
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Simon Harris excepted, I think FG will go against this.

FF worried about their poll ratings and the Shinners will back it. This could break up the government over the next few months.
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If the government do reject NPHET's advice, even if they bow to some of it, it'll at least start up the conversation that we can't just pull out all the stops for one single issue.

Although that didn't work for any other single issue. :(
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camroc1 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:45 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:38 am
cfm93 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:29 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:16 am "Only in Ireland"

"Whats the difference between a bar and restaurant"

"Only we would shut down the capital"

"We should be following the continental model"

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-bars-5223766-Oct2020/

NPHET strike again
Yes Paris where their figures are more than double ours and the restrictions aren't as strong as what Dublin currently has.
ANd they have four times our ICU beds
Five times in Germany

But you Queens don't like those numbers do you :lol:
And Ireland has a considerably younger average age of population than either France or Germany.
And he's wrong anyway. But he was too thick to read his own parties manifesto properly as well so there's a level of consistency there anyway.

During the height of Covid with private beds available (which wouldn't figure as greatly in Germany and Frnace) there was actually 500 beds available, that's actually closer to 10 per 100k. There was also an additional 312 beds available for surge capacity.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/ne ... l-2020.pdf
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I see the teachers are questioning remaining open at level 5.

Another group that doesn't quite get it.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:28 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:15 am
MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:09 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:17 am https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/ ... 27361?s=19


This shit doesn't help matters. Fúcking morons.
This is exactly what's wrong, groups like this ignoring the basic rules, while you've other breaking their balls/business/etc. Enforcement is the problem I'm sure it the governament tried cutting funding the Glenn rovers for a year or two they might cop on.
Exactly. Dish out punishments take make examples, actually fime individuals for taking the piss and publicise it so that people know that there are consequences.
Don't just fück the entire country into the stone age.

Al reports indicate Tony going on a solo run as soon as he's come back. No-one expected it, noises have all been about maintaining current levels for a bit, not jumping 2/3.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1005/116940 ... -covid-19/

Tony has been at home with a very sick relative for weeks - it’s not surprising that he’d have a fairly hardline view of the situation. We have a panel of people who are all public sector employees and entirely insulated from the impending mother of all recessions - this is why we elect politicians and not public health officials to run the country
good opinion piece last week in Sunday Times about the outrage for the 2% pay rise for TD's ; many have refused to take it etc ; Sunday Times said they'd asked SF and others if they were ok with the entire public service also getting the same 2% pay raise ; given the numbers in the terms of costs to the exchequer at a time when we're running a gazillion deficit and "all in this together" ; basically "no comment" from everyone
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camroc1 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:31 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:48 am The NPHET superfans are crazy, it's at football fan level of defensiveness. The idea that they are beyond reproach is hilarious, the same eejits who said no Level 3 on Thursday but then went for Level 5 on the Sunday. They've lost a serious amount of credibility in the last month, it's quite clear they have no idea how to properly control the virus.
Whatever about moving Dublin from Level 3 to level 5 (when hospital admissions are actually under control); moving the rest of the country from level 2 to level 5 three or so days after their previous recommendation leads directly to the question of whether or not NPHET ar fit for purpose. Again, if it was in business, I'd want a very clear explanation as to what had happened in those three days to warrant such drastic action, and why it wasn't flagged long in advance.
:thumbup: .....the ah sure fcuk it approach
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It has to be Tony coming back and going 'Wtf are you at lads?!'.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:01 pm It has to be Tony coming back and going 'Wtf are you at lads?!'.
Then they're not fit for purpose, and certainly not fit to be giving the government reasoned, and reasonable advice.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:01 pm It has to be Tony coming back and going 'Wtf are you at lads?!'.
Donnelly is weak. This will require some balls from Micheal.
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Just looking at the testing dashboard and I really don't get it. Referrals are, at worst, the same as the previous week, and tests are down. Yes hospitalisations are increasing but still manageable. It just doesn't make sense to be so drastic.
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ticketlessinseattle wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:58 am
camroc1 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:31 am
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:48 am The NPHET superfans are crazy, it's at football fan level of defensiveness. The idea that they are beyond reproach is hilarious, the same eejits who said no Level 3 on Thursday but then went for Level 5 on the Sunday. They've lost a serious amount of credibility in the last month, it's quite clear they have no idea how to properly control the virus.
Whatever about moving Dublin from Level 3 to level 5 (when hospital admissions are actually under control); moving the rest of the country from level 2 to level 5 three or so days after their previous recommendation leads directly to the question of whether or not NPHET ar fit for purpose. Again, if it was in business, I'd want a very clear explanation as to what had happened in those three days to warrant such drastic action, and why it wasn't flagged long in advance.
:thumbup: .....the ah sure fcuk it approach
Flu season can some years mean 1,000 deaths and generally around 500. That means you will have days and days with 5-10 deaths. NPHET cannot countenance that in the public environment with Covid, as the attitude changed around it to become save all lives.

I said it at the time, Varadkar and Harris were storing up this problem in April and May.
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Conspicuous wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:29 am
de_Selby wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:02 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:15 am
MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:09 am
Nolanator wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:17 am https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/ ... 27361?s=19


This shit doesn't help matters. Fúcking morons.
This is exactly what's wrong, groups like this ignoring the basic rules, while you've other breaking their balls/business/etc. Enforcement is the problem I'm sure it the governament tried cutting funding the Glenn rovers for a year or two they might cop on.
Exactly. Dish out punishments take make examples, actually fime individuals for taking the piss and publicise it so that people know that there are consequences.
Don't just fück the entire country into the stone age.

Al reports indicate Tony going on a solo run as soon as he's come back. No-one expected it, noises have all been about maintaining current levels for a bit, not jumping 2/3.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1005/116940 ... -covid-19/
I think there would be a backlash if they are too heavy handed and we might end up with the situation of idiots protesting against the punishments.

Taking the example of that parade - you can't punish everyone who was there, if you only punish some people it's seen as unfair.

The government are in a tough position, they need to change public opinion. Loads of people are against restrictions now so they need to be unified and clear in their messaging like they were back in March, but that's never going to happen now.
Lots of people are against restrictions but I still think the majority of the public will support NPHET recommendations. A huge section of the population either have an underlying health condition or have a close family member in that position. People put themselves first not sectors of business and industry that don’t directly affect them . Poor Ciara Kelly is getting torn to pieces for suggesting we’re going too far at a major cost to the country
https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/statu ... 00192?s=21
Brilliant. Go Ciara go. Thank god not all of our media have been lobotomised. A lot of Karens replying of course.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:06 pm Just looking at the testing dashboard and I really don't get it. Referrals are, at worst, the same as the previous week, and tests are down. Yes hospitalisations are increasing but still manageable. It just doesn't make sense to be so drastic.
You don’t introduce a 5 level system and then propose jumping from level 3 to 5 unless something seriously dramatic has happened. Yes cases are up but hospitalisations, the only thing that really matters and the entire point of lockdown, are only slightly up. The only really significant change is that Tony is back. This is mental.
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